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I Just Got A New Mp3 Player!  
User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2373 posts, RR: 21
Posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2002 times:

I just bought this mp3 player yesterday after my old ipod died. I was kinda tired of ipod, and then I saw this cool looking mp3 player on the internet:


I love it!! It can definately be recommended to everyone who wants something else than an ipod. The model I have is the small one with 6 gb which is more than enough for me. There is also a bigger one with 20 gb. It has 20 hours of batterylife, so that should also be better than the ipod. I don't think my ipod performed as promised. It died after a few hours of use, but I will have to wait and see if the Sony performs as promised.

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User currently offlineTheSorcerer From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2005, 1048 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1990 times:

I bought the Zen Vision yesterday, very nice piece of kit. It's Zen's rival to the Ipod video. Great thing is that Zen don't rip you off for the software like Apple do.



Dominic



ALITALIA,All Landings In Torino, All Luggage In Athens ;)
User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21406 posts, RR: 54
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1987 times:

Quoting TheSorcerer (Reply 1):
Great thing is that Zen don't rip you off for the software like Apple do.

Apple's software for the iPod is free,

So if you should have paid any money for it, you have in fact been ripped off by someone!


User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2373 posts, RR: 21
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1973 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 2):
Apple's software for the iPod is free,

So if you should have paid any money for it, you have in fact been ripped off by someone!

well you can say that the good thing about that Creative Zen is that it has an FM radio built in.


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21406 posts, RR: 54
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1965 times:

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 3):
well you can say that the good thing about that Creative Zen is that it has an FM radio built in.

Sure you can - the iPod remote with radio costs extra. But have I seriously missed radio so far? Can't say that, really. Radio gets on my nerves more than I actually want to listen to it (except for news).

It would be a bit sad, however, it that were really "the" good thing to say about the Zen...!  mischievous 


User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2373 posts, RR: 21
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1960 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 4):
It would be a bit sad, however, it that were really "the" good thing to say about the Zen...!

I am not the one who owns it so don't ask me  Smile Most of the mp3 players are equally good, but I think that ipod is a bit overrated compared to what you get for your money.


User currently offlineMhodgson From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2002, 5047 posts, RR: 25
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1951 times:

I have the Creative Zen. I can't compare it to the Ipod as I haven't owned one. Though the battery life is much better than on my brothers Ipod, and my brothers Ipod needs to charge via his PC - it actually required the installation of a PCMIA card to enable it to charge and put music on it, wheras my Zen works via USB and has an AC adaptor.


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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21406 posts, RR: 54
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1950 times:

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 5):
Most of the mp3 players are equally good, but I think that ipod is a bit overrated compared to what you get for your money.

When you're working in system design and software development, you definitely appreciate products which actually work effortlessly and simply for the user. That is much more difficult to achieve than it looks at first glance. Apple always aims for that goal and actually manages to achieve it in many cases.

Considering that the competing products are generally priced very similarly to the respective iPod (or more expensive), added features which people hardly ever use are the only differentiator, but they're usually "paid for" with less-than-intuitive user interfaces, bulky form factors or other shortcomings. Not being able to use the iTunes Music Store may be a relevant shortcoming for some people, missing support for lossless compression formats or a clunky interfacing software on the computer may be others.

You do pay for what you get, in most cases...


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21406 posts, RR: 54
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1945 times:

Quoting Mhodgson (Reply 6):
I have the Creative Zen. I can't compare it to the Ipod as I haven't owned one. Though the battery life is much better than on my brothers Ipod, and my brothers Ipod needs to charge via his PC - it actually required the installation of a PCMIA card to enable it to charge and put music on it, wheras my Zen works via USB and has an AC adaptor.

It seems your brother has an older FireWire-only iPod. No wonder the accumulator has already lost a significant part of its capacity. That's perfectly normal for any rechargeable battery, and it will be the same with the Zen over time; Although the fact that it's much bulkier than the iPod is mostly owed to its larger battery, so it does have some head start there.

New iPod battery kits are available from several third-party, in many cases with better capacity than the original ones had.

All semi-recent iPods can be used with USB (and are charged through it), the latest ones even exclusively. If you really need one (few people do), you can buy a separate charger for your iPod as well. There's a huge selection of peripherals and other accessories available for the iPod, so you'll have plenty of choice.


User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2373 posts, RR: 21
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1945 times:

Quoting Mhodgson (Reply 6):
I have the Creative Zen. I can't compare it to the Ipod as I haven't owned one. Though the battery life is much better than on my brothers Ipod, and my brothers Ipod needs to charge via his PC - it actually required the installation of a PCMIA card to enable it to charge and put music on it, wheras my Zen works via USB and has an AC adaptor.

same with my new sony mp3 player

Quoting Klaus (Reply 7):
When you're working in system design and software development, you definitely appreciate products which actually work effortlessly and simply for the user. That is much more difficult to achieve than it looks at first glance. Apple always aims for that goal and actually manages to achieve it in many cases.

Considering that the competing products are generally priced very similarly to the respective iPod (or more expensive), added features which people hardly ever use are the only differentiator, but they're usually "paid for" with less-than-intuitive user interfaces, bulky form factors or other shortcomings. Not being able to use the iTunes Music Store may be a relevant shortcoming for some people, missing support for lossless compression formats or a clunky interfacing software on the computer may be others.

You do pay for what you get, in most cases...

Well the Sony costs just about the same as its direct ipod competitor. And yes, it is easy to use an ipod, but I think the mp3 player I have now is just as easy to use. So again, what I meant is that many other mp3 players are just as good as the ipod, but they are not "in", or so it seems, because people want what is popular. Hopefully that will change now.

[Edited 2006-04-16 14:38:26]

User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21406 posts, RR: 54
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1936 times:

Doubtful. The recent Sony players have all bombed on the market, the violet one included. Sony just recently retracted another model series after it failed to succeed (the "Bean").

The iPod is more than just "popular" - it is actually really well designed including but reaching far beyond its pretty exterior. Usability is the point here.


User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2373 posts, RR: 21
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1934 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 10):
Doubtful. The recent Sony players have all bombed on the market, the violet one included. Sony just recently retracted another model series after it failed to succeed (the "Bean").

The iPod is more than just "popular" - it is actually really well designed including but reaching far beyond its pretty exterior. Usability is the point here.

well we'll have to wait and see how well their new mp3 player will compete with ipod.

Also, we have 4 different ipods in my family, and everyone is complaining about the battery life.. coincidence? I don't think so. Either the battery is of low quality or apple just does not tell the truth about how well their ipods perform.


User currently offlineTmatt95 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 489 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1926 times:

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 11):
well we'll have to wait and see how well their new mp3 player will compete with ipod.

I think that Sony should try and lead the market instead of playing a game of catch up. I think they should provide a player that can actually play .mp3 files, without converting them to atrac and a shop that sells songs in .mp3 format, allowing people to do whatever they want with their music. Then if the customer wants to add music they have purchased to a home video or create multiple CDs to leave around the house at the different CD players then they can. It will also help free music players survive which can't be a bad thing.

The first time I met MR DRM was just after getting a CD player for Christmas. I had a blank rewritable disk and wanted to use it to store music downloaded from the Internet. Every time I wanted to add a new song to the disk I would format the CD and re burn the tracks brought from the Internet. This worked fine until the third or fourth time when my computer refused to burn the music. In disbelief i looked at the help and only then did I find that there were limits on the number of times a track could be burnt to disk. Another problem I faced with DRM's is when the provider allows you to burn a track onto a CD only once. I thought I would re use a CD rewritable but did not completely erase the last bits of data before burning the music. That left me with 1 bad quality CD and a music file that could not be used to create another file.
RANT over  Smile

Matt
P.S One of my friends has a Sony MP3 player like the one you have got and he thinks that it is great.


User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2373 posts, RR: 21
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1921 times:

Quoting Tmatt95 (Reply 12):
I think that Sony should try and lead the market instead of playing a game of catch up. I think they should provide a player that can actually play .mp3 files, without converting them to atrac and a shop that sells songs in .mp3 format, allowing people to do whatever they want with their music. Then if the customer wants to add music they have purchased to a home video or create multiple CDs to leave around the house at the different CD players then they can. It will also help free music players survive which can't be a bad thing.

agreed! But itunes changes the format of the files aswell


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21406 posts, RR: 54
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1915 times:

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 11):
well we'll have to wait and see how well their new mp3 player will compete with ipod.

It's been out for several months already, but hasn't made much of a dent so far.

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 11):
Also, we have 4 different ipods in my family, and everyone is complaining about the battery life.. coincidence? I don't think so. Either the battery is of low quality or apple just does not tell the truth about how well their ipods perform.

The indicated battery life is not average but maximum playing time, with continuous playback and no interaction (especially the screen backlight never coming on). If your expecation is that it would be matched in everyday use it is certain to be disappointed.

People also underestimate the natural degradation of rechargable batteries and the influence their usage patterns have on it.

A few good tips can be found here: Apple - Batteries - iPod

Very similar rules are true for every other player; iPod batteries are no different from those in any other player or other portable device.


User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2373 posts, RR: 21
Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1910 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 14):

The indicated battery life is not average but maximum playing time, with continuous playback and no interaction (especially the screen backlight never coming on). If your expecation is that it would be matched in everyday use it is certain to be disappointed.

well when I say that it doesn't live up to what apple promises, I really mean it. My stepsister's ipod mini dies after 3 hours and it is not more than a year old. Same with my sister's ipod mini, and my dad's ipod.


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21406 posts, RR: 54
Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1910 times:

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 13):
But itunes changes the format of the files aswell

No. Only WMA files are converted to AAC;
MP3, AAC and several other formats are simply played as they are, and iTunes rips CDs in open formats like MP3 or AAC as selected by the user.

And the tracks from the iTunes Music Store can be burned as many times as you like, you just can't burn the same selection of tracks more than five times. Just reshuffle the tracks and you can burn again.

Sony is acting completely paranoid in the player market; Their own music business apparently clouds their judgment. I don't see them getting much more successful in the future. Just look at their mess of a web site. Even when you want to find a certain product it is hard to get there.


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21406 posts, RR: 54
Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1904 times:

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 15):
well when I say that it doesn't live up to what apple promises, I really mean it. My stepsister's ipod mini dies after 3 hours and it is not more than a year old. Same with my sister's ipod mini, and my dad's ipod.

I'd check the respective usage and charging patterns. Some USB ports on some computers don't supply enough power to charge the battery properly, that could be another point.

Permanently overcharging the battery or letting it deplete completely (deep discharge) can also permanently damage it; Many people aren't aware how sensitive batteries are.

My nano doesn't reach the indicated maximum playing time either, but I wouldn't expect that in the first place since I re-adjust volume pretty often (with the backlight coming on for 2s every time) and I use much higher sampling rates plus losslessly encoded music, which also requires more power to process and reload.

It's pretty much in line with what's to be expected, all in all.


User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2373 posts, RR: 21
Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1890 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 17):
My nano doesn't reach the indicated maximum playing time either, but I wouldn't expect that in the first place since I re-adjust volume pretty often (with the backlight coming on for 2s every time) and I use much higher sampling rates plus losslessly encoded music, which also requires more power to process and reload.

Well I gotta admit that I do that too, but I still think that 3-5 hours is too little compared to the max. battery time.. it is a bit cheating from the manufacturer's side, because they know that noone turns on their ipod and let it play with a constant volume and don't skip any tracks.


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21406 posts, RR: 54
Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1884 times:

The playing time indication is given specifically for the best case - since usage patterns vay wildly, that's the only realistic value to compare, but I would agree that it should be indicated more prominently what the circumstances are under which that duration is to be expected.

Still, the battery capacity is quite sufficient for anything I've done with the iPod so far, and the limitations apply to all other players as well. You just won't have as many co-complainants with one of the much rarer also-ran players, so group dynamics simply won't kick in anywhere near as potently; And the generally high attention level for the iPod will exaggerate any claims or complaints made about it.

At the end of the day, the ratio between indicated playing time and real one will be quite similar across most or all manufacturers.


User currently offlineAirbus A380 From Singapore, joined Jan 2001, 522 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1834 times:

I have used Zen Neeon 5Gb before. I wasn't thrilled with its performance. Long start-ups, and delays when switching from a song to another. At times, it even hanged on me while scrolling. The tech support is no better. They kept asking me to do this, do that, but not a single instruction for me to come down to their service centre to take a look at the player per se. Even when the number of emails I sent totals to nearly 20 in a matter of 4 weeks!

Got fed up of the player, sold it off, and bought myself iPod with Video. Let's just say that, it is one of the most unregrettable decisions ever made in my life.


User currently offlineLOT767-300ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 1814 times:

Yea even I think iPods are the best. Ive only had large HD mp3 players because I have about 50GB worth of music.

First was a RCA Lyra 20GB, But i broke it when I dropped it on the parking lot in high school

Then I had a 4G clickwheel iPod 20GB...it was good but Apple pissed me off royaly. It had a HD failure after 8 months and I got a refurbished one in the mail quickly. The warranty of the refurbished one was supposed to be 3 months of the length of the original ipods warranty, whichever is longer. Well long story short the battery failed on the refurbished one in 3 weeks (still under warranty) and Apple told me $40 shipping via DHL to CA. I got pissed off, sold it on ebay and bought.

Then I had a 20GB Philips...piece of crap. Then I had a 30GB Toshiba, piece of crap.

Now I have a 30GB 5G video iPod and its working very good and im impressed with how easy it is to operate and the quality of the screen is amazing, as is the size.

Limewire Pro (of course downloaded from free Limewire  Wink ) coupled with a cracked program to convert .wmv and .mpg to .mp4 (ipod ready video) is unbeatable.

On a sidenote, Itunes and paying for music can kiss my @ss.


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