Yazoo From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 487 posts, RR: 0 Posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 13310 times:
Being an American myself living in Europe, I noticed that in General Europeans dress much better than americans (even more so in France, Italy etc...). Generally speaking, We just are not that elegant when it comes to our way of dressing, Jeans and t-shirt seem to be the way to go back home (not to mention the sandals over Socks!!!).
feel free to add your thought as to Why do we lack elegance, which is quite shameful, seeing that we are the best in many other things.
Boeingfanyyz From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 991 posts, RR: 2 Reply 1, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 13251 times:
Let's change around the topic and say why do Americans dress so poorly when travelling, not just in general.
I will agree, however, that Europeans do present a big idea of class and elegance when travelling, even if they are flying in the back of the plane, so to speak. Often times, I will see American's with cut down shrits, ripped jeans and sandals!
Just my $0.02 (CDN)
"If it aint boeing, it aint going!", "Friends are like condoms...they protect you when things get hard!"
KFLLCFII From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3282 posts, RR: 32 Reply 2, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 13251 times:
Quoting Yazoo (Thread starter): Generally speaking, We just are not that elegant when it comes to our way of dressing, Jeans and t-shirt seem to be the way to go back home (not to mention the sandals over Socks!!!).
Who are we trying to impress, and why does it really matter?
This Proud American.
"About the only way to look at it, just a pity you are not POTUS KFLLCFII, seems as if we would all be better off."
N911YX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 3, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 13251 times:
Sounds to me like you've fallen into the Euro snobism that so many of in the States deplore. While I'll agree that cultural dress here in the US has taken a trend toward the casual, I believe it is a natural development of our freedom of choice. Socks and sandals would not be my choice but if some guy wants to look goofy so be it. Better socks than looking at nail fungus.
Lumberton From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 4708 posts, RR: 21 Reply 4, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 13162 times:
Quoting KFLLCFII (Reply 3): Who are we trying to impress, and why does it really matter?
You beat me to it! Who cares? I've never had a job interview on an aircraft. I've never been told I couldn't board because I'm wearing blue jeans, or shorts. As long as I've paid for my seat, I seriously doubt the airline would care in the least. Also, shouldn't this thread be on non-Av?
"When all is said and done, more will be said than done".
ManuCH From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 2995 posts, RR: 49 Reply 5, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 13126 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW HEAD MODERATOR
The way people dress in the US is one of the reasons I love that country so much. You don't really have to be a snob to walk around, and everyone minds his own business, which unfortunately isn't so in Europe. Too bad.
But this thread would definitely be better off in non-Av.
If you think Americans dress poorly, come and visit the big apple. Just because we don't wear red pants, or shoes with no socks don't matter. We give the world shows like "Queer eye for the straight guy".
BoeingBus From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1595 posts, RR: 18 Reply 9, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 13046 times:
Yes non-av... but I tend to agree with the thread starter... but I think one of the biggest reasons is Hollywood and all this social promotion we have here in the states... you have these beautiful stars wearing skimpy clothes, at best... and then you have the average american girl that is 20 plus lbs overweight from eating too many twinkies but blames it one a thyroid problem.. decides to wear the same outfit... at the same time, we have their friends and family who feel sorry and say she is beautiful w/ her gut hanging. Even tho her friends are lying bastards.. so there you have it...
Europeans are much more honest about this. So that is why we think they are rude... I don't think so... Everyone should dress appropiately and accordingly.
KLMflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 156 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 13010 times:
My personal opinion, as an Italian living in NYC, is that there's a wide-spread lack of style and class in the USA as a consequence of the so-defined concept of being/feeling more free, casual-looking, more comfortable.
But you me be/feel more comfortable with style and with a good taste where you can match colours (yesterday I saw a girl wearing an unwearable light green and solid pink ultra-mini skirt with high-heels and a logo bag: probably she was thinking to be highly fashionable while in Europe may be youy can find someone like her at the corner of a street doing ..., and a guy with a solid orange suit - I skip the xxxxxxxlarge t-shirts, baggy pants, etc. that you can only see here in the US), use an appropriate look according to the moment of the day/activity and move/walk/speak with style, without talking/shaking hands like being in the middle of a parade!!!
Although I totally agree that someone has to be free to do whatever he/she wants, there's a solid principle to consider: respect the other, respect your neighbour.
I do not stand fellow passengers on a plane who are not dressed in an appropriate way, do have body odor, remove shoes, etc.
Something is being free and something else is not considering/respecting your neighbour passenger.
I had a American fellow seating next to me in c-class on a JFK-CDG flight, wearing a cut t-shirt and shorts, who removed shoes and socks as soon as he settled down in his seat, who started enjoying playing with his feet!!!
I called the flight attendant and asked to be moved to another seat!
He may decide to dress/act in that way because he paid the ticket ... but I paid my ticket as well!!!
Then, again, it's a question of style, class and respect and a lot of people, especially those who want to fly, should learn how to use them and apply them!
SATX From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2840 posts, RR: 8 Reply 14, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 12961 times:
Hey, when you're a nation full of fat lazy slobs who drive to the mailbox instead of walking you soon find out that you don't look that good in anything, so you might as well wear whatever happens to feel comfortable.
Open Season on Consumer Protections is Just Around the Corner...
Whenver I've seen somewhere wearing that here in the U.S., they were more often than not speaking in German to their travelling mates or discussing Star Trek.
If I'm going to spend the next 2-12 hours inside a plane, possibly wedged between two people, my last concern in the world will be what I'm wearing but rather how comfortable I can get. Some of your stuffy Euro clothes can be extremely uncomfortable despite being very classy.
FutureUALpilot From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2590 posts, RR: 8 Reply 20, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 12851 times:
I too, do not see the big deal. Just because I choose to wear shorts and a t-shirt around does not mean I do not care for myself, and does not mean I am lazy, or that I do not have ambition, etc. It just means that is what I am comfortable wearing. I see no reason to wear anything otherwise unless I have to. Same with traveling. Unless I am flying first class (which I have yet to do), I will wear whatever I want to, or dress for the weather at my destination.
My personal favorites, however, are the "Hollister" or Abercrombie and Fitch" characters who wear shirts that are "trendy" and say things like La Jolla, or Carlsbad or something (all places from my home town of San diego, CA) and yet they have no idea where or what those places are....they just think it sounds cool, or looks good.
ManuCH From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 2995 posts, RR: 49 Reply 23, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 12791 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW HEAD MODERATOR
Quoting FutureUALpilot (Reply 23): Just because I choose to wear shorts and a t-shirt around does not mean I do not care for myself, and does not mean I am lazy, or that I do not have ambition, etc. It just means that is what I am comfortable wearing.
Quoting FutureUALpilot (Reply 23): Unless I am flying first class (which I have yet to do), I will wear whatever I want to, or dress for the weather at my destination.
Huh? Does first class have a dress code?
Quoting PositiveETCO2 (Reply 25): We will not apologize for our lack of taste until European men apologize to us for the visual assault of mini-brief swim bottoms