Cadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9104 posts, RR: 27 Posted (10 years 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2372 times:
Ok, rant mode on:
Ok, this is really pissing me off. I was at work tonight and was stocking some shelves when I heard a woman yelling at someone, as she walked down the aisle I noticed she was yelling at her young daughter over something she obviously did wrong. As she procedes to yell and curse, IN PUBLIC, she procededs to HIT, FOUR TIMES her daughter, in her head, face and arms. In plain view of myself and manager. My manager then proceded to raise his voice and demand that she stop hitting and flat out abuse her daughter in view of the whole store. The mother then flipped out on my manager calling him every name in the book, slammed her basket to the ground and dragged the poor girl out of the store. At that point I was so angered at this idiots behavior I walked to the back of the store to cool down.
It seems to me that if parents have a need to beat the s**t out of a kid they should get it too. I gave so much credit to my manager for standing up for that girl today and I hope she is ok right now.
Phew, rant over.
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Nancy From United States of America, joined May 2004, 467 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (10 years 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2321 times:
If you ever see it again, try to get a plate number so the cops have something to go on. If the mother behaves like that in public, none of want to think about what happens in private. It also sounds like the mother might be seriously disturbed. If anyone knows this woman's name or any information they need to get in touch with the police immediately.
ANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (10 years 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2306 times:
Verbally scolding a child - even with a moderately raised voice or a swat on the butt - one thing. Slapping and hitting about the face, head, arms and verbal abuse - such as you describe - is quite another.
Here's the deal. In fifteen years, when this little girl has a little girl . . . guess what. She'll treat her the same way - and the cycle perpetuates.
I'm a self-admitted arrogant asshole, but I never treat my daughter like that. I can count on one hand the number of times I've ever popped her on the butt - and then just as an attention getter and only once. I can sy with complete certainty I have never yelled at her . . . not like I'd yell at a pinhead trainee or suspect . . .
Now, as for calling the police, etc . . . certainly you could do that. Better be willing to go the whole route, and willing to testify in court as to what you saw.
Correcting a child is one thing - if what you describe occurred, that is entirely another . . . borders on abuse.
AirWillie6475 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 2448 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (10 years 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2295 times:
While I agree the theory behind what your manager did, it wasn't the right thing to do practically. The reason? Because the subject did what she did, turn to the manager. Your manager is not going to be a hero by doing what he did. Every cheesy employee training video that I have seen always say that the customer is always right. And you shouldn't make the customer angry. It's their problem you can't fix the world, best thing to do is learn from that and be loving to the people you know.
It's a problem that needs to be addressed in this world - far too many cases of abused and neglected children by "parents" (term used excessively loosely here) that shouldn't have been allowed to breed . . . .
If one store manager today attempted to put a stop to it, or one patron, or one old person on the street, or one cab driver . . . then good for them. One step toward progress in ending or curbing abuse of children is one step in the right direction.
Training videos at Wal-Mart are definitely not the place I want to learn my values. The Customer is always right only goes so far. . . there is a line.
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NeilYYZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2280 times:
Good for your manager! You can spank a child, my parents did it to me on occassion, and when used right it's very effective, but you can't go smacking your kid around in public or private, just because you brought the child into the world sure as hell dosen't give you the right to take them back out of it.
And calling Child Protective Services would probably be worth it, even if it is a lot of work and takes time to go to court and whatnot, you would be protecting a child who can't protect herself. Someone has to, not everyone can turn a blind eye to problems right before them, even if it does make their lives easier.
Itsjustme From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2832 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (10 years 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2276 times:
Quoting AirWillie6475 (Reply 6): While I agree the theory behind what your manager did, it wasn't the right thing to do practically. The reason? Because the subject did what she did, turn to the manager. Your manager is not going to be a hero by doing what he did. Every cheesy employee training video that I have seen always say that the customer is always right. And you shouldn't make the customer angry. It's their problem you can't fix the world, best thing to do is learn from that and be loving to the people you know.
I have to disagree. If I am reading your post correctly, it sounds like you think the Mgr should have looked the other way, merely because the person who was battering the child (I am assuming Cadet57's description of what was taking place wasn't embellished) was a customer and, as you said, "the customer is always right". What if this customer had been seen stealing an item from the store? Probably a poor analogy, being that a property crime cannot compare with child abuse but, for discussion sake...are you saying that, because the customer is always right, the Mgr should not step in and confront the customer? Or, taking the Mgr and store out of the equation...let's say you are walking down the street and witness someone slapping a woman around..are you saying that, because women probably slapped around all the time, it's her problem and, seeing as you can't fix the world, you should look the other way?
Again, assuming Cadet57's description of what was taking place is accurate, not only do I think the Mgr. was right for stepping in but I think he had an obligation to the victim to do so.
Daleaholic From UK - England, joined Oct 2005, 3213 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2196 times:
Jeez, Kids nowadays need to be punished. You can't smack your child... your kids will get off easy. If this mother was doing what was said:
Quoting Cadet57 (Thread starter): she procededs to HIT, FOUR TIMES her daughter, in her head, face and arms.
I would like to know whether these were full on blows or just small slaps which do not hurt much and can teach a kid a lesson. If they were blows then thats unacceptable. I do however, feel that parents should be allowed to discipline their children, without somebody getting in their way.
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GVWOW From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 168 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2186 times:
Shot? no, but I don't believe any child deserves to be struck. I know from experience that some kids who are hit hit others. I have been manhandled many times by one in particular who I know to be punished physically. IMHO there are far better ways to teach lessons.
Also, I find having to witness parents abuse their children is very unpleasant and embarassing, and can often disturb or annoy others. For example, I was at a performance of a Mozart piano concerto, and a shriek was heard. A little later it was heard again, but at that point a tall man jumped up from his seat clutching his little girl by the neck (and his hand over her mouth), and was punching her with his other fist! He walked out the door of the auditorium and (thankfully) was never seen again by me.
I think putting a women in jail for as long as possible just because she was seen hitting her daughter is a bit over the line. I'd have ran to get the plate number on the car and called the police/child protective services.
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Bushpilot From South Africa, joined Jul 2007, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2164 times:
Just my two cents on this one, I manage a youth center, I work with kids aged between 5-18 every day. I have to be acountable for my actions every second of the day, this goes the same for teachers, coaches or anyone who works around kids. If we did that, huge lawsuit, probably result in the arrest of said hitter etc. But there seems to be little acountability for parents. Sure I can call child protective services, I am on the phone with them all time and am on a first name basis with the OYS employees, but they are so overwhelmed with thier case loads that it has to be a very bad bad situation for a child to be removed from the home. That being said I think the right place for kids 99% of the time is with thier parents. Our system is to overloaded for the staff and money they have. Parents are the primary provider, teacher, caregiver to thier children, if they cant do the job they need to not have kids or be punished for thier inaction.
AndesSMF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2152 times:
Like you all say, you have to be very careful. My two angels immitate EVERYTHING I do. Even the way I react to situations. My wife and I had to be very careful. My son was a typical boy, and we realized that even a whack on the butt for him would elicit a negative reaction and work against us. Now most of the time we have to talk to him, and he reacts better.
So my point is: children will very often use parents as a guide in acceptable behavior. If you do something, they will feel they have the same right to do it too.
US330 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 4163 posts, RR: 13
Reply 20, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2150 times:
The less you use spanking, the more effective it is when you actually do it. My parents rarely ever spanked me, but when they did, it scared the shit out of me and i had no desire to repeat the action that got me the spanking in the first place.
PSA727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 976 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2144 times:
Instead of shooting these people, I suggest that stupid and abusive
people be sterilized, that way they won't have any children !!!
I think what your mangager did, although noble, probably made the
mom beat the s**t out of her kid even more after they left the store.
But let's not past judgement on the mom; she probably had a bad day
at work, problems with her day care provider, not enough time to get
all of her errands done, and she probably still had to go home and make
dinner for an ungrateful household. She is just as much a victim as her
It seems that there is no shortage of people in this country that want
to have kids, but not really want to be parents.
But they're probably the same couples that are more interested in the
wedding ceremony than the actual marriage.
But in regards to this woman, and the thousands of others just like
her that I see all too often, they seem to have no shame in conducting
themselves this way in front of the general population.
One thing I noticed right away when living in Germany is that parents
while scolding their child in public will almost always squat down to
be at eye-to-eye level with their child, and in less of a yelling voice.
Whereas here in the States, I almost always see the parents yelling
down at their kids, so that everyone can here.
Not much to look up to (literally and figuretively) if you ask me.