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Should We Be At War With France Instead  
User currently offlineNUair From Malaysia, joined Jun 2000, 1181 posts, RR: 0
Posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1707 times:

I am an American student currently studying in France. I live in an 80% Algerian neighborhood and I have heard nothing but sympathy and shock about the tradegy in NY and the problems with the Taliban. but on the other end white french kids who are the product of families saved from Germany twice and countless other amounts of support from the US have gone all out to make sure we feel as uncomfortable as possible this has included numerous attacks on Americans by white French kids!!!!

The other day I saw a french student with a tee shirt saying go Ben Ladden and the wallpaper of the computers at my university are covered with pictures of Ben-Ladden.

I am shocked by the reaction and I have to say that in the future I plan to take the side of Algerians on any future attacks on the French!!!


"How Many Assholes we got on this ship?" - Lord Helmet
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User currently offlineMls515 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3077 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1608 times:

Your profile says you're in AMS. Time for an update I see. Unfortunately, its en vouge to piss off Americans.

User currently offlineLehpron From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 7028 posts, RR: 21
Reply 2, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1599 times:

I am shocked by the reaction and I have to say that in the future I plan to take the side of Algerians on any future attacks on the French!!!

Dude have you thought this through or what? There will always be some bunch of people that follow leaders, that doesn't mean they are bad. And France is part of NATO so I would think there would be a strong disagreement there. Furthermore, those Algerians are french citizens. Besides, they are probably a minority and have every right to say whatever they want, otherwise their local authorites would have got them by now.

Bite your tounge! You make it sound like no one is allowed to express their own opinions against the US, what if some American decendents of Algeria here did the same thing, should we report them to the FBI? In the US there would be considerable concern, but in France, dude calm down, I don't want to see a WW III.



The meaning of life is curiosity; we were put on this planet to explore opportunities.
User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1587 times:

Not for nothing. I'm tired of the Anti-American sentiment that resonates out of France. I'd say more, but I do not want a deluge of Flame posts against me.

User currently offlineNUair From Malaysia, joined Jun 2000, 1181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1581 times:

Expressing opinion and attacking Americans are two different things especially comming from French students whose government is far from perfect especially in regards to the treatment of Algerians. Need I mention the killing of 200 innocent Algerian protestors in the streets of Paris.

I cant say all French feel this way but I have to say a lot of the French kids I study with do.

And ask any person from Algerian descent living and born in France what they consider themselves, and 99.9% of the time the answer wont be French.

The German, Mexican, Canadian, and Chinease students at my school will all back me on that and confirm the actions of French students.



"How Many Assholes we got on this ship?" - Lord Helmet
User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13256 posts, RR: 77
Reply 5, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1565 times:

France is not a full NATO member, DeGualle threw a hissy-fit in 1966.


User currently offlineLehpron From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 7028 posts, RR: 21
Reply 6, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1556 times:

I stand corrected on two fronts, thank you NUair and GDB.

How ever I do feel that the title of this thread "Should We Be At War With France Instead" be changed to "Anti-Americans in France"



The meaning of life is curiosity; we were put on this planet to explore opportunities.
User currently offlineLeftseat86 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1554 times:

Hey you ass! I live in Toulouse, where all the friggin flags are at half mast! There was a group gathering in the town square, and 300+ people came and wept for the victims of 9/11. Some kids at my school hate us Americans too, but hey! Just sock em' in the nose and give em that wonderful finger that stands on the middle of our hands! There are always going to be a few dumbasses that hate Americans, but France as a whole shows lot of support, we just don't see it all the time...
"Should we be at war with france" what a stupid thread...


User currently offlineLeftseat86 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1545 times:

Sorry if that was a little harsh buddy, but I disagree... I have showed alot of French white kids at my school that us Americans aren't that bad... many have changed their opinions towards te US just because of me! Do the same! Show them that your not ignorant or stuck up!
The French are always anti-everything anyway, I don't see whats new...
Geez, you should hear the arguments I have with my dad(hes french) over why America is such a beautiful country, and why it's better than France...


User currently offlineRyanb741 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 3221 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1522 times:

I tell you something, I love France and Paris is an incredible city but it is true that many French resent the USA and the UK. I believe it boils down to their shame at having to be liberated twice by the UK and US. The UK sheltered Charles de Gaulle during WW2 and all we got in return was him slating the UK saying France is far superior (instead of just being a nation of white-flag monkeys as they were on 2 occasions).

There is a common French misconception that Barbarian territories begin at all of its borders !



I used to think the brain is the most fascinating part of my body. But, hey, who is telling me that?
User currently offlineLeftseat86 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1517 times:

LOL! Big grin exactly...

User currently offlineLubcha132 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2776 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1510 times:

don't get me started on the french.

User currently offlineLeftseat86 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1509 times:

Start! I want to hear it! I promise not to get pissed off!
 Big grin


User currently offlineCba From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 4531 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1502 times:

You people ashame me. There will always be people who support such attacks, but they are a true minority. France as a whole is in the same boat as we are.

...instead of just being a nation of white-flag monkeys as they were on 2 occasions...

2 occasions? Where do you get that? You are very misguided. The French (with help from America) held back the Germans on the western front during WWI. They never did surrender, and the Germans never broke through. In WWII, the French surrendered to save many lives of soldiers and civillians. They were caught completely by surprise by the Nazi invasion, as Hitler broke through a treaty and passed through neutral Belgium to get to France. They then surrendered because Nazi troops were in Paris. Had they not surrendered, hundres of thousands, if not millions of people would have been slaughtered. Britain was lucky, as they had the English channel separating them from Germany/France. Without that, they would have been just as screwed.

Americans seem to have a problem with France because they don't kiss our asses like Britain does. France can be stubborn, but know what they're doing. They will not hesitate to help us in times of war.


User currently offlinePHX-LJU From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1503 times:

If you look at opinion polls, the vast majority of European adults support the United States. In France, the percentage of people supporting an American military response was among the highest in Europe. Most people in the Old Continent are grateful for years of America's help.

However, some young people like to spread anti-American propaganda. Many are just ill-informed idiots with personal problems, others are just being rebellious.

In the 1960s, many European teenagers openly supported the ideas of Mao and Trotsky. They were not really die-hard communists; that was just their way of showing their displeasure with society. These same people matured to be successful businesspeople, teachers, politicians, etc. They simply left their far-Left ideology behind them.

Today, many young people say how much they hate America. However, you have to realize that they are just being rebellious for rebellion's sake. Are they idiots for holding such views? Yes. Will they still think the same when they become mature adults? Probably not. Many of the same people who say they hate America actually admire the country but are afraid to admit it. You'll notice that many of them even wear American T-shirts, watch American TV, drink Pepsi, and maybe even (the horror!) eat at McDonald's!


User currently offlineLeftseat86 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1502 times:

That is true Cba, I agree. But we still are pretty damn stubborn!  Smile

User currently offlineCyril B From France, joined Jun 2001, 396 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1498 times:

What have been said in some posts is just disgusting.
We deserve war??
Perhaps tomorrow you will say that we're a terrorist nation??! It's simply stupid!

As a french, i can say that some 99% of our people is strongly behind the US, as Chirac and Jospin are.
In France, no one will forget what the US made for us.

But you mustn't remake History. During the WW1, France saved almost himself, and the help from UK was by far larger than the help from the US.
During this war, french soldiers were heroic, and some 1400000 of them died under german fire (with 500000 more missing and 4200000 wounded). Approximately 100000 americans died in this war. It's enormous, but you can't compare this to the french or the english casualties.

The second world war was different. During this war, France just did what he was able to do.
Nearly 2500000 french soldiers were engaged, but when the attack began in may 1940, the allies were totally surprised and overpowered:
french and british lines were destroyed by the german army in just a few days, and in emergency, the english soldiers went back to UK to avoid a disaster, leaving the french totally alone, attacked by germany and then by italy.
The army tried to resist, but it was hopeless, and the country was invaded.
Our country still remembers this humiliation, and we are still thankfull to the US and the UK for what they've done.



User currently offlineLubcha132 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2776 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1492 times:

i was in france this summer- it could've been b/c we were a group of 31 american teens, and it could've been that i was one of 3 who spoke french, but the people weren't the nicest. i can imagine how pissed they got when we went into the McDonalds (i protested and picked up a baguette on the street) and ordered in english, but a lot of the people were just in general not very nice to us. they were harassing our girls (Caen) and just not being nice.

Of course ,when we were in germany we got cursed off by an old lady who wanted to get thru us.

The people in NL, B, GB, and CH were very nice compared to D and F. I am not directly offending anyone here b/c i know there are acceptions to everything. the people in Oberhaimbach, DE were nice to us.


User currently offlinePHLFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 851 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1491 times:

Vive La France!!

I lived in France for 2 years, and I would move there again in a heartbeat. There were native French and immigrants that hated Americans when I was living there, that will never change, but it was and is a small minority.

For anyone to truly love and appreciate France and its people, you need to have the opportunity to live there or spend lots of time in area where are American Tourists are not.


User currently offlineAloha 737-200 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1477 times:

I have nothing against the French and most likely never will.  Big grin

I have problems with people who dispise the United States based on their own circumstances in comparison, i.e., jealousy. Deep down most of those who hate the U.S.A. have a few things in common.

1. They might be jealous of the good life that we have here. In a poor country with a bad government (not speaking of France), it is easy to say "I hate those Americans, they have everything."

2. They might be uneducated. In the case of the Afghan people and many other nations, the government decides what the people will hear and know. If the Taliban tells the Muslims that the U.S. attack is an attack on Muslim, and these people do not know otherwise, they would grow to hate America.

3. They might be very patriotic towards their own country. It's a very good thing to have pride, but some may push it to the extreme, insulting any other nation.

4. They might have the belief that America is arrogant. Perhaps, in a few ways it is, but other countries are as well. However, the USA and the American flag are very popular symbols and images in the world today. And, of course there are Americans here who are very arrogant, and might give the impression that the whole US is that way.

Everyone has this right. If they want to bash the USA, that's fine, they have that right. But they need to be informed of what the USA is. We're not all arrogant, and it's really not our fualt if your government is corrupt or you're starving.

That said, I hold myself neutral on this issue.

Aloha 737-200!!  Wink/being sarcastic


User currently offlineCapt.Picard From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1475 times:

Well, it's all been said really; however, why do people keep mentioning the American help in the war, and how Europeans should be eternally grateful? (especially when they weren't even in the wars themselves).

1) I was not involved in WW1/2. I have nothing to be grateful to the US for, in that context.

2) People should be free to criticise the US, whether that be justified or not; Americans in particular seem to find that too bitter a pill to swallow.

3) I don't think I need to say this, but to avoid knee-jerk reactionists-I am most certainly not "anti-American".

4) I don't think some French people hate the US because they feel ashamed to admit help from previous wars.

I am led to beleive that Parisians, in general, have to put up with a constant flow of tourists-and after a while it can conceivably become frustrating to have so many noisy strangers around 24/365.

The cultural animosity between France & the UK or US, if you accept that there may be such feelings, is most likely to do with cultural differences, and France's culture perceived as being under threat from "uncivilised" influences (Mcdonald's, whatever).

Just my personal thoughts.

Oh, and no, we must never go to war with the French. We have a lot to thank them for.

Paris is simply THE city. Intellectual, elegant, smart & very civilised. And the food.....  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Regards


User currently offlineCba From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 4531 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1467 times:

Merci beaucoup, Cyril.

User currently offlineSSTjumbo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1453 times:

Sometimes you gotta turn around, walk back, and pretend like they don't exist. It does work sometimes.

User currently offlineWhistler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1447 times:

"1) I was not involved in WW1/2. I have nothing to be grateful to the US for, in that context."

Would you rather be speaking German right now?

I am not one of those people who thinks the US won WWII all by themselves, but without them (or any other of the allies) the war would have been lost or a lot harder to win.


User currently offlineN17085 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1446 times:

L'enfants francais est tres bete de temps en temps.

The French kids are so reserved. They are 4,000 miles away from America. They don't know what we are going through. Are you really going to listen to kids that think that old western movies are in right now and that peppermint sodas are good? Come on man, I'm with the Algerians in this situation. If any French girls give you shit about Bin Laden just respond, "Tu n'as pas de michon."



25 PHLFlyer : Your grammar is lacking a bit and mine is not much better but I think I can offer a correction or two. You made L'enfants plural with the s at the end
26 Post contains images Ydelta : Yeah, America rules and France is only a nation of white-flag monkeys N17085, I agree with you : those French kids are really stupid and I give em tha
27 N17085 : Thanks for the corrections.
28 N17085 : Ce qui pisse vraiment j'hors fonction est juste les gosses français en général. Ils pensent qu'ils sont tous action fraîche comme des Américains
29 Post contains images Ydelta : N17085, Your post is really a masterpiece I was far from imagining how meaningless a text that has been processed by an automatic translator can be. I
30 Post contains images N17085 : , I know that I used a translator..ok I cheated. I don't know how to say and French cusswords, sorry! Maybe someone can teach me. I'm only in French
31 Post contains images Ydelta : I forgot... I especially like this one En outre, le système du gouvernement unitaire français suce it's the only sentence that does make sense... bu
32 PHLFlyer : Here is the last post by N17085 after it was run back through an automatic translator. What pees really I out function is just the childlike French us
33 N17085 : Isn't the French government Socialistic?
34 N17085 : Haha...that must sound funny to French people. I will try to stick to my own French knowledge now and not rely on the translator.
35 Post contains images Ydelta : PHLFlyer, Thanks a lot. This thread is really going to be funny N17085, Yes, the French goverment is socialist but I don't see your point. Otherwise,
36 Post contains images Aloha 737-200 : What pees really I out function is just the childlike French usually LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
37 EGGD : but it is true that many French resent the USA and the UK Yeah but we hate them too, so whats the problem? but on the other end white french kids who
38 Post contains images Leftseat86 : Salut Ydelta! J'habite a Toulouse! Wow more french people! N17085, good work! Here's a list of French cusswords you can tell your french teacher next
39 N17085 : Je vais habiter en France cet ete. Je vais habite a Paris avec une famille qui je ne connais. J'espere mon francais est plus bon en le future.
40 Post contains images Leftseat86 : "sera meilleur dans le futur" You're doing good buddy!
41 Cba : Leftseat86, merci pour le nouveau vocabulaire!
42 Post contains images Sebolino : This thread sucks !! I don't agree on some important points: "Enculer" means "To Bugger" "Connard" I think is best translated to "Cock Sucker" "Va te
43 OO-VEG : Everywhere in the world there are people who do these things. This is not a reason to start a war... France unfortunately has not such a good reputati
44 Lan_Fanatic : You americans and french look like tiny stupid children. Stop fighting about who saved who or which one is better. Yep...the US are great.I like much
45 OO-AOG : La France est un pays fantastique, ou chacun est libre d'afficher ses opinions. Un vrai pays de liberte!
46 Cyril B : Lan Fanatic: You're topic is full of contempt toward France. We never told that we are the greatest nation in Europe. We just told that, as the "pays
47 Post contains images Ydelta : And please STOP thinking that you are the greatest nation in Europe...cause you're not Maybe not the greatest, but at least the biggest with a surface
48 Post contains images Notar520AC : Hmmm, speeking of which, God save the Queen! hahaha!!! LOL! Anyways, DON'T JUMP TO CONCLUSIONS!!! I'M SICK AND TIRED OF HEARING "WE SHOULD BLOW THEM T
49 PANYNJ : French are a little bitter, its alright, just get used to it and then laugh at them when they yell at your for having an untucked shirt. britain is co
50 PHX-LJU : >>Maybe not the greatest, but at least the biggest with a surface of 550.000 km2. Wrong! The European part of Russia is bigger, as is Ukraine. France
51 Notar520AC : Oh, shut up! We're gonna blow ourselves to hell if this doesn't stop!
52 Prebennorholm : Notar520AC: Oh, shut up! We're gonna blow ourselves to hell if this doesn't stop! Dear Notar, you are American, please don't do that! We Europeans ble
53 LH423 : N17085: Tous les enfants sont bête de temps en temps. C'est la nature du monstre. LH423
54 Sebolino : "Tous les enfants sont bête de temps en temps. C'est la nature du monstre. " Interseting. Where does it come from ? Who is the monster ?
55 LH423 : Sebolino: America during Viet-nam for instance. The youth of the world will always find a reason to protest. N17085 said that French kids were "bête"
56 Post contains images Ydelta : As for the "...nature du monstre" comment: I simply did not know how to say "beast" en français. Beast = bête Monster = monstre In French "bête" is
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