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User currently offlineDc10s4ever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 5 months 16 hours ago) and read 1255 times:

As expected. Why cant GM seem to get it. Build a QUALITY car.
http://www.usatoday.com/money/companies/earnings/2006-04-20-gm_x.htm

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User currently offline4holer From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 3017 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (8 years 5 months 9 hours ago) and read 1234 times:

I don't even like to rent the things.
If I was buying now, I wouldn't even consider a GM car.
Sorry, but it's the truth.



Ghosts appear and fade away.....................
User currently onlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39880 posts, RR: 74
Reply 2, posted (8 years 5 months 8 hours ago) and read 1223 times:

Quoting Dc10s4ever (Thread starter):
Why cant GM seem to get it. Build a QUALITY car.

They used to but chose to discontinue all of them in favor of SUVs and the current junk in there line up.



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineGarri767 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 5 months 8 hours ago) and read 1221 times:

while you have the chance btw, id change the name to LOSES not looses  Wink

User currently offlineNeilYYZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 5 months 8 hours ago) and read 1221 times:

My family was solidly a GM car family until about 10 years ago. Now we go for Honda and Toyota, the value in the car is retained and they are reasonably priced.

User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13113 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (8 years 5 months 5 hours ago) and read 1192 times:

GM, as well in part Ford and Chrysler (D-C) all have serious problems as to the cars they market (light trucks and SUV's are doing fine, although Toyota, Nisssan and others are catching up). Poor ergonomics, poor reliability, lousy designs, poor engineering, poor quality control and too many bean counters, have ruined them except for the fleet markets and those whom cannot bear to buy a 'foreign' or non-union car.

User currently offlineDahawaiian From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 229 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 5 months 5 hours ago) and read 1188 times:

They are not visionary like Toyota and other car makers among their other failings. The only GM I would buy is the Corvette.

User currently offlineVonRichtofen From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 4627 posts, RR: 36
Reply 7, posted (8 years 5 months 4 hours ago) and read 1172 times:

Hell I wouldn't even buy the corvette. Though it is fast for the money, it's a dinosaur compared to the import sports cars.

GM is really hurting big time. Their cars are lame, the only people that seem the buy them are the elderly. Crappy build quality.. nothing like a good dash rattle when you close the door on a brand new car  Yeah sure And then there's the Aveo which is supposed to be their new economy hatchback, well it's actually a Daewoo with a Chevy badge on it, though with the way GM's quality is going down I'm not sure if it's a bad thing for GM to have some cars made in Korea. This is supposed to compete with the Toyota Yaris (echo hatchback, just with the European name now).

Kris



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User currently offlineSaxdiva From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 2382 posts, RR: 41
Reply 8, posted (8 years 5 months 4 hours ago) and read 1171 times:

Well, at least they're losing money at a slower rate. That beats the $10.6 *billion* (and no, that isn't a typo) they lost over 2005.

-Leanne


User currently offlineNWA742 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 5 months 3 hours ago) and read 1169 times:

Quoting VonRichtofen (Reply 7):
Hell I wouldn't even buy the corvette. Though it is fast for the money, it's a dinosaur compared to the import sports cars.

 rotfl 

A dinosaur, huh? You're right, the new C6 Corvette has nothing, especially the Z06.



Do a little research, and you'll find that the new $70K Corvette Z06 is not only competing very well in all performance categories, but beating many of the top and most expensive foreign sports cars in the world, both on the track, and on the 1/4 mile.

Quoting VonRichtofen (Reply 7):
Their cars are lame, the only people that seem the buy them are the elderly.

And that seals the deal. Proves your ignorance to the extreme.

Quoting VonRichtofen (Reply 7):
GM's quality is going down

Going down? Funny, seems to me that the quality in GM vehicles seen today, especially their newer cars, is worlds apart from their previous generations and predecessors.

Quoting VonRichtofen (Reply 7):
Their cars are lame

Yes, their line-up really sucks, nobody wants them at all.

http://fastlane.gmblogs.com/archives/2006/04/reigniting_the.html#more

You're just another classic example -- blaming all of GM's mishaps on their cars rather than their corporate management. Ignorance is ignorance.



-NWA742


User currently offlinePsa53 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3069 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (8 years 5 months 3 hours ago) and read 1156 times:

Quoting Saxdiva (Reply 8):
Well, at least they're losing money at a slower rate. That beats the $10.6 *billion* (and no, that isn't a typo) they lost over 2005.

And that's really good news for investors.GM stock gained +2.07.

Ford(F) reports tomorrow.I going to bet the house!(lol)



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User currently onlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39880 posts, RR: 74
Reply 11, posted (8 years 5 months 2 hours ago) and read 1143 times:

Enough about the Corvette. That is a low production rate exotic sports car and isn't going to keep GM in business. It's too small of a market.

Pointing out GM's flaws is like pointing out the flaws of the Dubya administration. There are so many, where do you start?

-First of all, the top brass at GM is former Proctor & Gamble execs. How stupid is that?!?!?!?!
GM needs car people! Not people ass-wipe specialist.
Bob Lutz is just some old senile guy that comes out once a year to pull the cover off a concept car that will never go in to production.


-All of GM's best models of recent years (last 10 years) have been discontinued. The B-body platform (Caprice Classic, Impala SS, Custom Cruiser, Roadmaster Estate Wagon and Fleetwood Brougham) were axed so GM could crank out more Suburbans, Tahoes and other names on that platform.
When GM announced that they were killing that line, police departments and taxi companies bought up tons of Caprice Classics. Why?
Because they were a great car that could stand up to the daily abuse there cars go through and were cheaper and faster than the Ford Crown Victoria which still to this day only has the underpowered 4.6 overhead camshaft V8.
The GM 5.7 350cu" V8 is much more simpler and much more ballsy!
Resale value for these cars are still high.
There was no need for GM to kill these cars in 1996.
Not a penny was put in to advertising for these vehicles.

-GM also axed the F-body platform (Camaro, Firebird Trans Am). These cars HAULED ASS! Best of all, they got the same gas mileage as a Honda Accord, yet 3 times the power. Even the suspension was up to date. The last time I saw a commercial for these cars was when Night Rider was on the air (mid 1980s).
Resale value for these cars are still high. There was no need for GM to kill these cars in 2002.
Not a penny was put in to advertising for these vehicles.


-The Buick Park Avenue and Buick LeSebre ranked at the top by J.D. Power & Associates for customer satisfaction, reliability and safety. What does GM do? They killed it! Why? They wanted to 'change the image' of Buick to a younger buyer brand. How stupid is that?
SO WHAT is Buick is an older person brand?!?!?! If older people are buying your car, market to old people. Green is green and it shouldn't matter who's pocket it comes out of if it is keeping the company in business.
The Pontiac Bonneville SSE was a fantastic car too.
The new Lucurne and Lacrosse isn't attracting any younger buyers.

-Then GM canceled the Safari, Savanna van. Again, that was a line that had loyal commercial customers and was a solid rear-drive van. I am sure NWA742 can testify.  Smile

What has GM marketed to consumers within these last 10 years/
The Aztec, Aveo, Vibe, Rendezvous, Cobalt, Alero, oh and then there is the alphabet soup cars, G6, STS, DHS, DTS, ETC, XLR, EXT, SLS, PMS, CTS, SRX. WTF does all those letters mean?  confused 
Don't even get me started on the ghettoized Suburban/Escalade/Tahoe/Denali/Yukon line.

Buy the way, why is the most elite Cadillac sedan on a front-drive platform?
Leave that for the econoboxes for space efficiency. A $50,000 luxury sedan should not be on a front-drive platform. The Lincoln Town Car, Jaguar Vanden Plas and S-class Mercedes are all rear-drive.

GM needs a complete shake down of there top brass. They all need to be shown the door.



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineKevinl1011 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 2964 posts, RR: 47
Reply 12, posted (8 years 5 months 2 hours ago) and read 1136 times:

Quoting NWA742 (Reply 9):
You're just another classic example -- blaming all of GM's mishaps on their cars rather than their corporate management. Ignorance is ignorance.

Again, NWA742 speaks truth but take it easy dude!

The article fails to mention the cost of many plant closures, contract buy-outs, corporate retirements and reorganization costs. Sales are not bad and once the product line is converted over to global platforms, they'll be back on their feet.

I wish Holden would take over.....or Superfly, NWA742 and I  biggrin 



474218, Carl, You will be missed.
User currently offlinePsa53 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3069 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1120 times:

Well,Ford(F) took a huge loss.Surprise,surprise!
The loss was 1.2 billion for the qtr.It was the second largest
reported loss since the company lost 5 billion in a 4th qtr 2001.
As the link says,Wall St. is very nervous.But if your a gambler,
the stock is low, if you believe the company can turn it around
depending on trends,namely gas.



http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/060421/earns_ford.html?.v=16

I just bought 200 at $7.38.Let's see what happens.

[Edited 2006-04-21 19:47:51]


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User currently onlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39880 posts, RR: 74
Reply 14, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1111 times:

Psa53:
Best of luck, I wish you the best!
I do have a bias in favor of Ford because Ford doesn't have a history of stupid business deciscions like GM. Although Ford has been making some lousy mistakes recently.



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlinePsa53 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3069 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1110 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 14):
Psa53:
Best of luck, I wish you the best!

Thanks! This is long term.But the the shorts
are having a field day right now.As you might
of seen,the share was low @7.13.So,hopefully
the bloodbath is over.



Tuesday's Off! Do not disturb.
User currently onlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39880 posts, RR: 74
Reply 16, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1100 times:

Psa53:
Well I own a Ford (Lincoln Town Car) and I would like to see my company doing well. I've always bought Fords every since I learned to drive.



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlinePsa53 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3069 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1090 times:

Athough, I have a Pontiac right now,Mustangs were my cars growing up.
1965 and 67 fastback.Love those cars.The 289 was great powerplant.
The only reason I chose Pontiac in '99, I was looking more V6 and the
design change was impressive.
I drove mustang V6 at the time,it was gutless,and If remember it,had a bad gear response(auto).The Pontiac's,3.4 powerplant, did much better.But over
the course of ownership,the head gaskets had to be replaced twice,once
cracking the head.But I wanted to get back into fun driving with V8 retro
Mustang.But the fuel prices is killing that right now.

In this investment of Ford,for others,make no mistake.It's very high risk.
Do your homework on trends.I have lost as well as won.



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User currently offlineDeltaDC9 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 2844 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1085 times:

Quoting Dc10s4ever (Thread starter):
Why cant GM seem to get it. Build a QUALITY car.

Tell that to consumer reports and all the other similar critics, they rate high end GM cars equal to Japanese and superior to European in quality.

Quoting Dc10s4ever (Thread starter):
Sorry, but it's the truth.

No it is not, its a myth. The entire Caddy line is awesome, thier trucks are on par with all the others and thier SUVs are superior. Some Pontiacs suck, this is true, but Buick and Saturn also make quite good cars, and Chevy is an economy line always has been as far as cars go, hard to fond a comparison abroad.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 2):
They used to but chose to discontinue all of them in favor of SUVs and the current junk in there line up.

Driven and STS lately? CTS? DTS? What about the other 20 cars they make?

Quoting VonRichtofen (Reply 7):
Hell I wouldn't even buy the corvette. Though it is fast for the money, it's a dinosaur compared to the import sports cars.

Wow, tell us what is so inferior about them because you obviously dont own one.

Just thought I would add that the reason GM is loosing money is that the typical profit is 3000 per vehicle, and 1600 or so is eaten up by benifits to workers that no longer work for GM. Add pension obligations and they lose money on each vehicle. This has nothing to do with quality, unless you are talking about the quality of the management of the Unions and GM itself.

They made deals with no thought or concern on the effects decades down the line.

[Edited 2006-04-21 21:01:51]


Dont take life too seriously because you will never get out of it alive - Bugs Bunny
User currently offlineDeltaDC9 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 2844 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1074 times:

Quoting Psa53 (Reply 17):
But I wanted to get back into fun driving with V8 retro
Mustang.But the fuel prices is killing that right now.

Go drive a new Mustang with a V6, thay are a blast, they are about the same as a GT from the previous generation in power. Thats why you see so many non GT's. They are truly worthy of a test drive, this from a guy that used to have a 96 Cobra.



Dont take life too seriously because you will never get out of it alive - Bugs Bunny
User currently offlinePsa53 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3069 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1072 times:

Quoting DeltaDC9 (Reply 19):
Go drive a new Mustang with a V6, thay are a blast, they are about the same as a GT from the previous generation in power. Thats why you see so many non GT's. They are truly worthy of a test drive, this from a guy that used to have a 96 Cobra.

Thanks for the tip.I'll check it out.My buddy has a V8 retro,and I drove
it that brought back the old days of fun driving.Wow,that was awesome.



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User currently offlineFlight152 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 3395 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1066 times:

Driven and STS lately? CTS? DTS? What about the other 20 cars they make?

Yeah, a few of those cars I have. An underwhelming driving experence to say the least. Unfortently (for Cadillac), more than angular styling need to be done to compete with the likes of BMW, Mercedes, Lexus and Audi.

The entire Caddy line is awesome

*giggles*

Chevy is an economy line always has been as far as cars go, hard to fond a comparison abroad.

Hard to find a comprison abroad? Are you kidding? Ever heard of Toyota? Honda?

[Edited 2006-04-21 21:33:55]

User currently offlineDeltaDC9 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 2844 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1066 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 11):
There was no need for GM to kill these cars in 2002.

As an owner of a 79 Z28 and a 2000 T/A I must comment on this. The reason that they discintinued (temporarily) the F-body is the fact thay would not be able to meet the next wave of safety standard hikes. Side impact protection is just not possible without a re-design, and Ponitac is only allowed one V-8 muscle car and they for some stupid reason wanted that damn GTO.

But, the Camaro will be back, and it looks fantastic. Corvette engine as usual, but a little retro, but no too much. Looks like a morph of a 69 SS and an 85 IROC. The best part is the interior actually, unbelievably cool.



Dont take life too seriously because you will never get out of it alive - Bugs Bunny
User currently onlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39880 posts, RR: 74
Reply 23, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1042 times:

Quoting DeltaDC9 (Reply 18):
Driven and STS lately? CTS? DTS? What about the other 20 cars they make?

Hey those are all great cars but they should have been Oldsmobiles. They just aren't in the same league as Jaguar, Mercedes S-class or BMW 7-series as Flight152 noted. Cadillac used to be the luxury standard of the world. Now Cadillac is chasing after the entry level luxury imports.

Quoting DeltaDC9 (Reply 22):
Ponitac is only allowed one V-8 muscle car

...and why is that?
That is a problem.

Quoting DeltaDC9 (Reply 22):
But, the Camaro will be back, and it looks fantastic

I have my doubts. I am sure the Camaro name will be back, but I seriously doubt it will be anything like the Camaros we all love from the past. I won't believe it until I see it.

Quoting DeltaDC9 (Reply 18):
The entire Caddy line is awesome

Are you kidding? I like the current Lincoln line up much better. As much as I love American luxury sedans, Cadillac is an embarassment. I've never seen so much plastic on a $50,000 car. Why is the most elite Cadillac sedan (DTS) on a front-drive platform?
The last Cadillac ever build IMHO was the 1996 Cadillac Fleetwood Brougham.
Now that was a sweet luxury sedan. You cannot hear anything oustside driving those things. It's the closest one can get to piloting a 747-400 without a pilots license. Big grin

Quoting DeltaDC9 (Reply 18):
thier trucks are on par with all the others and thier SUVs are superior

..and Cadillac has no business putting there names on trucks. Same for Lincoln, BMW, Mercedes, Lexus, Infinity and Acura. I can't wait for the luxury SUV market to just die! That is the dumbest combo I've ever seen. Trucks aren't supposed to be luxurious.



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlinePsa53 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3069 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1041 times:

Quoting Psa53 (Reply 17):
In this investment of Ford,for others,make no mistake.It's very high risk.

ok-
I lost at close.Bought 7.38,close 7.33. lost 10.00.But what was important
that it was a positive loss in predicted the stocked bottom out.
Monday should be a gain day, if all stars are in alignment.

 pray   pray   pray   pray   pray   pray   pray 



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25 Post contains links DeltaDC9 : Dude, check this out http://www.chevrolet.com/performance/ Prepare to be impressed. To maintain thier epa mpg minimum Yep, sad. As for the rest, not
26 Post contains images LOT767-300ER : I need to quit my aviation studies and join GM's SS department. I would show those bastards how to properly equip a Chevrolet or Pontiac...christ. Yar
27 DeltaDC9 : Yes and no, on priciple it sucks, but the true SUV is the most profitable vehicle they make. Something like twice the average profit of all other veh
28 Superfly : DeltaDC9: Oh Jesus! Chevrolet is slapping the 'SS' emblem on a Cobalt, Malibu and front-drive Impala/Monte Carlo? Give me a break! I won't believe tha
29 DeltaDC9 : Just like Ford puts SVT on anything with a shiny rim. Don't get me started. But, admit it, that Camaro is hot. They are talking 2009. Which means Sum
30 Flight152 : Let me rent you a Toyota Yaris 1.0L... I never said I would want one Peter.. lol My wife is warrantee administrator for a large BMW dealer, and they a
31 DeltaDC9 : Whatever, you know what happens when you ass ume.
32 LOT767-300ER : What about a Toyota Corolla Verso 1.6 VVT-i with 110hp, or a Honda City 1.4L 83hp? I'm trying to give you some options on what Honda and Toyota sell
33 Bill142 : I own a German designed (but Belgian built) GM car and I beg to differ. Can't see what peoples issues with GM are. I've only ever owned GM cars, yes
34 NWA742 : I'm sorry but it just drives me nuts when someone spouts on about something that they know absolutely nothing about. Seems really typical of the GM h
35 Pilotsmoe : What's that in liters?
36 Post contains images Pilotsmoe : never mind, 7.5 liters
37 Scalebuilder : Read carefully. Ford Motor Company actually earned $460 million from continuing operations. On top of that came a $1.7 billion restructuring charge,
38 Post contains links GuitrThree : Go Here: Dodge Police Cars They have. It's called the Dodge Charger... Gallatin TN police Department even has a few Black and White Versions... I tho
39 LOT767-300ER : Give me a break, the Charger is a piece of crap next to my car when it comes to performance and power, nowhere near classic and nowhere near the soun
40 Post contains images NWA742 : -NWA742
41 Post contains links GuitrThree : Oh really??? Let's look at the 1996 and 2006 Michigan State Police Departments Testing results... you know, the Bible when it comes to Police car tes
42 Psa53 : Yes,I know that.They are(F) doing write-offs right now.So is RadioShack(RSH) by closing stores and management shake ups.But investors take this as a
43 NWA742 : GuitrThree, LOT's Impala isn't exactly stock, my friend. A stock new Charger with a Hemi wouldn't stand a chance. -NWA742
44 GuitrThree : And with enough money, I could build a Yugo that would beat the crap out of his Impala too... Lot asked for a car that was built like the mid 90's Ca
45 NWA742 : Eh, the new Dodge Charger is the closest thing built to a Magnum. It is a Magnum with a trunk and a slightly different front end. I don't see how it
46 LOT767-300ER : Oh man. Why must you assume. Mate, im going to throw out 1 word at you plus 1 sentence: Lingenfelter, + furtherly re-done engine controls, tires and
47 GuitrThree : Yea.. I guess you're right.. The Dodge has things the Caprice/Impala never had: Leveling Suspension Displacement on Demand Electronic Stability Progr
48 NWA742 : Well, you are comparing two performance vehicles -- 10 years apart. A new Impala SS or GP GTP with the 5.3L V8 would be very close to a Hemi Charger
49 GuitrThree : Again.. I can throw all the money in the world into a Yugo, and eventually, I'll kick the s**t out of your Impala... just because you spent stupid mo
50 GuitrThree : I'm comparing them because in reply #26 of this thread he asked for something that was currently being made that can compare to his 1996 Impala!!!!
51 LOT767-300ER : Congratulations but no one said they have a stock Impala SS, I was comparing it to my car. Hence if Im going to upgrade one day the dealer/private pa
52 NWA742 : You don't seem to get that straight-line performance isn't everything in a police car. Reliability, versatility, space, etc. The Caprice was an excel
53 Post contains images LOT767-300ER : No doubt it does, and of course its 10 years ahead generation wise! Also, having driven it, its also 10 years behind in the "fun factor" of a muscle
54 LOT767-300ER : To be fair to the Charger (and im only going to talk about higher end models here with pony power). To be fair to the caprice Classic cop car, it pac
55 GuitrThree : Humm.. lets see.... Windows that fell out of track Failing Opti-spark systems Brakes that overheated and resulted in the death of some officers (henc
56 GuitrThree : A new 2006 Charger Police Package runs $22,000 I think a 1996 Caprice Police went for $16-17K.. I know in 95 I paid 18K for my new 9C1.... Pretty muc
57 LOT767-300ER : Of course, and Dodge's/Chrysler's had awesome transmissions at the time. Of course the Caprice had its flaws (and actually the biggest one would be t
58 LOT767-300ER : Its not cheaper than a current Crown Victoria, thats just one little point there. (But probably a big one when it comes to PD budgets!)
59 GuitrThree : Well, the 2005 Impala is also cheaper than the Vic.. but because the Vic is a bigger, better, RWD car, many PD's continued to pay more for it... And
60 LOT767-300ER : Why does the Post the message button decide its retarded on some days.[Edited 2006-04-22 20:12:40]
61 Post contains images LOT767-300ER : Point taken, but perhaps the outcome would have been different if the Impala was on the scene first and police departments had to replace them with C
62 Greaser : Just one note, GM mainline vehicles lose up to 10% more of their value (to around 47%) in their first 3 years as compared to Hondas and Toyotas. Fords
63 Petertenthije : Not to mention the leaf springs which he likened to that of a baby buggy.
64 Post contains links LOT767-300ER : What are you talking about? the MR FQ400 is priced at 47,000GBP/$85,000USD, and only 100 will be built. 405bhp + I-4 Turbo. Heres a fair deal. 2005 C
65 Superfly : Again, enough about the Corvette! Screw the Corvette! Did anybody read reply #11? The Corvette can be the worlds fastest car but it will not keep GM i
66 DeltaDC9 : IIRC 7.4 Litres, the 400cid is 6.6, 350 is 5.7 and 305 is 5.0
67 DeltaDC9 : OK, thats a little harsh, how bout Screw comparing Corvettes to low volume and one off sports cars. In 2001 GM sold 33,655 Corvettes up from 17,805 i
68 Superfly : OK, you raise a good point but is the Corvette/XLR enough to keep the lights on at GM? That's great that GM offers ONE good car line, how about the r
69 DeltaDC9 : By car I assume you mean it literally. I really don't think any GM car with a Northstar is a bad car, Id drive any of them including the new Buick La
70 PHLBOS : Actually, the Toyota Matrix & the Pontiac Vibe are essentially the same vehicle. WHAT are you talking about? The Lucerne nameplate just rolled out th
71 DeltaDC9 : I am referring to the old nameplates they keep trying to resurrect and then ruining them. GTO, Impala, etc. I'm excited about the Lacerne, its what G
72 Post contains images Superfly : I love those cars! I had the honor of driving a 1984 Eagle wagon up from LA to SFO for a friend of mine who bought his off of eBay. There was nothing
73 DeltaDC9 : Everyone I talk to doent believe those resurected cars have anything to do with thier namesakes. And dont buy accordingly, except the Monte Carlo, wh
74 Post contains images PHLBOS : The last year for GM's FWD mid-size wagons (Century/Cutlass Cruiser) was the same year as their full-sizes (1996). Ford killed off its Country Squire
75 LOT767-300ER : Jesus, can you please spell it Lucerne. It's named after a pretty famous city in case you did not know. Another big pet peeve is when someone types C
76 NWA742 : You mean, the Impala? -NWA742
77 Superfly : The new Buick Lucerne is a all new design but still offers the 3.8 V6 as the base engine. GM should have left the Park Avenue and LeSabre alone. The
78 DeltaDC9 : Naming it Impala is not cool, and only if they offer the Northstar. To me that is the key to GM getting back on track. Give us the GOOD normal use en
79 PHLBOS : No joke here, but one guy at an agency that serves as one of my company's clients last name is indeed Camero. When I first heard of the name, I jokin
80 DeltaDC9 : A local bodyshop owner in my home town actually named his two sons Camaro and Corvette. This is not a joke either.
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