Sponsor Message:
Non Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
Where Is The Outrage Over Fuel Prices?!  
User currently offlineCorey07850 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2525 posts, RR: 5
Posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3017 times:

After reading through the thread on current fuel prices, and reading this article on CNN I'm left to wonder why Americans aren't doing anything about the fuel prices???? Riots ensued in France over some student labor laws, protests have been held country-wide over the pending immigration laws, yet the one thing that is ripping off all Americans equally is hardly being challenged...

Gas prices around here have increased about a dollar in the last month and the only thing going on is the media reporting how the gas prices are increasing, and will continue to do so... There are no organizations staging boycotts, there is nobody marching on Washington, simply nothing... Europeans were always able to say "you guys have it great with your cheap fuel," but now that gas is over 4 dollars a gallon in some places we're getting to the same prices...ridiculous...

I'm just curious as to where the national outrage is??


BTW here's the article on CNN http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/04/21/fee.../index.html?section=cnn_topstories

84 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offline9VSPO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2993 times:

Quoting Corey07850 (Thread starter):
I'm just curious as to where the national outrage is??

I filled up yesterday to discover a litre of petrol had gone up to 95p. It now costs me £42 to fill the tank. I think in some areas it is over £1 a litre. This is definately an outrage. We should react like the French then maybe something will get done!  Angry


User currently offlineMrChips From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 927 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2983 times:

Quoting Corey07850 (Thread starter):
Riots ensued in France over some student labor laws, protests have been held country-wide over the pending immigration laws, yet the one thing that is ripping off all Americans equally is hardly being challenged...

Not a very good comparison, IMO. In the examples you cite, the protests are the people voicing their opinions over laws. This not a case of the government forcing itself on the people, so why should people protest in Washington?

I think that if you look hard enough into this problem, you will find that we ARE the problem. Think about this for a second...the only REAL reason why fuel prices are so high right now is that our demand has far outstripped the supply.



Time...to un-pimp...ze auto!
User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2957 times:

Quoting 9VSPO (Reply 1):
I filled up yesterday to discover a litre of petrol had gone up to 95p. It now costs me �42 to fill the tank. I think in some areas it is over �1 a litre. This is definately an outrage. We should react like the French then maybe something will get done! Angry

So what would you do? Force private companies to reduce prices or invest in more refineries? Or would you demand a reduction in fuel duty, leading to significantly reduced government spending?


User currently offlineTeva From France, joined Jan 2001, 1871 posts, RR: 16
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2953 times:

the problem of oil price?
How do you want US oil company to get their retirement bonus if price is low?
Teva



Ecoute les orgues, Elles jouent pour toi...C'est le requiem pour un con
User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2944 times:

Quoting Teva (Reply 4):
the problem of oil price?
How do you want US oil company to get their retirement bonus if price is low?

Total SA (formerly TotalElfFina) made $14,000,000,000 profits in the 12 months ending March 31st 2005.

 Sad


User currently offlineGo3Team From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3267 posts, RR: 16
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2934 times:

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 3):
Force private companies to reduce prices or invest in more refineries?

Almost nearly impossible due to the crazy enviromental people. The extreme would rather have fuel prices as high as possible, and will fight like hell to keep it that way. There was a thread over in civ-av about raising taxes for air cargo. Those are the kind of people we are dealing with.



Yay Pudding!
User currently offlineNeilYYZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2928 times:

It's hard for me to be outraged when most of my family drives big SUV's. I'll be the first to admit that we did this to ourselves, myself included, I drive tons of places that I could probably walk, I just always seem to grab the keys and go. So you won't be seeing me at any protests, maybe if the price gets high enough I'll have to re-think things.

User currently offlinePhotopilot From Canada, joined Jul 2002, 2719 posts, RR: 18
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2911 times:

I am fighting back and being VERY effective in my fight.

How you might ask?

Late last November I traded in my gas-guzzling SUV for a smaller Toyota Matrix 5 spd. My fuel economy has DOUBLED!!! So who cares if gas is up by 20% in price when my MPG has increased by 100%. I'm still way ahead and laugh every time I see a gas station disappear in my rear view mirror and know I didn't have to stop.

So how do I feel with the smaller Matrix. Well it's comfortable to drive, has enough space inside for all my needs and is plain fun to drive. I was away last weend with 3 friends and even with 4 people and luggage in the car we were all comfortable and achieved over 40 MPG with some "spirited" highway cruising.

Now I challenge you. Imagine if everybody could increase their mileage this way and decrease their fuel consumption. How would the oil companies react? Would we still have insufficient refining capacity here in North America? What would the oil companies do with all their excess capacity? Would prices drop as demand drops?

Sure, I don't like the high gas prices any more than the next person, but I've done something about it and now have extra money in my pocket at week's end as well.

It could be worse.

Steve


User currently offlineFlyLondon From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 377 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2896 times:

Outrage over what? The free market system that has made us rich?

As for the intelletually challenged that blame the oil companies and cite their huge profits as evidence I offer thsis gross simplification:

Previously oil was $20 a barrell there were 100 barrells and 100 people wanted to buy those barrells.

Now, at $20 there are 400 people that want to buy those 100 barrells. The price rises to $40. There are 200 people who want to buy those 100 barrells. The price rises to $60. There are now 100 people who want to buy those 100 barrells at this price. The markets clears.

The oil companies are still selling the same ammount of oil. It's just the demand is higher, hence a higher price and bigger profits. They haven't "cheated" anyone. If they lowered the price demand would exceed supply.


User currently offline767Lover From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2886 times:

Maybe because when looking at the big picture I realize it's still cheaper to buy a gallon of fuel, which requires a lot of dangerous manpower to get to me, than a gallon of milk or an 8 oz latte at Starbucks.

User currently offlineKSYR From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2881 times:

High gas prices=cheap SUVs

I'm buying an SUV this summer and I don't have to pay for gas. I feel bad for everyone feeling pinched by these prices, but I couldn't be happier with them!


User currently offlinePhotopilot From Canada, joined Jul 2002, 2719 posts, RR: 18
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2878 times:

Quoting KSYR (Reply 11):
I'm buying an SUV this summer and I don't have to pay for gas. I feel bad for everyone feeling pinched by these prices, but I couldn't be happier with them!

Is "Daddy" going to pay for your gas? It's attitudes such as this that causes that sucking sound as America consumes 25% of the world's oil with only 5% of the population.


User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 31
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2869 times:

Quoting KSYR (Reply 11):
I'm buying an SUV this summer and I don't have to pay for gas. I feel bad for everyone feeling pinched by these prices, but I couldn't be happier with them!

Oh STFU. you are the same age as me and you know what? I pay over 200 a month in gas. Have a $3,000 car loan, pay my $2,700 a year insurance. Pay for my cell phone, my clothes. All while working, going to school and participating in JROTC. And im sure you "feel bad"  sarcastic  for everyone. BULLSHIT. you are just like every other spoiled prick at my school who think their better then everone because they get daddys debit card. So until you work a day in your life for everything you have. SHUT YOUR MOUTH. You have NO right to bitch about gas prices until you get off your ass and work for it.

Quoting Photopilot (Reply 12):
Is "Daddy" going to pay for your gas? It's attitudes such as this that causes that sucking sound as America consumes 25% of the world's oil with only 5% of the population.

Well said! If I had room for you, youd be on my RR list... but Beleive me, you are there.



Doors open, right hand side, next stop is Springfield.
User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2854 times:

Quoting Corey07850 (Thread starter):
I'm just curious as to where the national outrage is??

A)

Quoting NeilYYZ (Reply 7):
I'll be the first to admit that we did this to ourselves, myself included, I drive tons of places that I could probably walk, I just always seem to grab the keys and go.

I somewhat am responsible as I drive a fairly inefficient sedan @ 20 MPG avg

B)

Quoting FlyLondon (Reply 9):
Outrage over what? The free market system that has made us rich?

We sent the jobs to India and China, and I know I am not the richer for it, but the fact I contribute to the 'wal mart' economy makes equally as guilty. If 'we' didn't buy their products/services they wouldn't have the money to spend on gas and no one can debate that (I think).

C) After taking it up the ass for the past umpteen years of inept leadership; what's a few extra bucks at the pump? BOHICA, par for the American course.

D)Let's not forget anyone under 30 is so disenfranchised with the political process at this point in time the only thing they care about is getting money to pay for a cellphone and an IP address. No matter how hard Limbaugh and Stewart scream; NOTHING else matters so long as they can download their MP3's and blog to myspace.


User currently offlineKSYR From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2820 times:

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 13):
You have NO right to bitch about gas prices until you get off your ass and work for it.

I'm not bitching about gas prices. If you read my post, you would see that personally I am thrilled that they are this high. Am I a selfish prick? When it comes to gas prices, yes. Do I care if someone from BDL thinks less of me for it? Not a chance.

Quoting Photopilot (Reply 12):
Is "Daddy" going to pay for your gas? It's attitudes such as this that causes that sucking sound as America consumes 25% of the world's oil with only 5% of the population.

I don't care how much oil America consumes. Politicians and consultants get paid to worry about that so people like me and you don't have to. I'm all for reducing our dependence on oil, but until that happens I'm not going to waste my time getting all bent out of shape over it.

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 13):
Oh STFU. you are the same age as me and you know what? I pay over 200 a month in gas. Have a $3,000 car loan, pay my $2,700 a year insurance. Pay for my cell phone, my clothes. All while working, going to school and participating in JROTC.

Good for you. I'm sure that you will have a much easier transition to the real world than I will.

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 13):
And im sure you "feel bad" for everyone.

I actually do feel for those of you that have to deal with increasing gas prices. Just like I feel bad for people who get in car accidents or have their homes burn down. The fact that I am not experiencing the hardship posed by gas firsthand does not prevent me from being sympathetic towards those that are.

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 13):
you are just like every other spoiled prick at my school who think their better then everone because they get daddys debit card.

I don't think I am better than everybody else. Rather, I feel fortunate that I don't have to pay for my own gas. That doesn't make me better or worse than anyone else; it is simply a fact of life. I get free gas, you get to go to JROTC. Does that make either one of us better than the other? Not in my opinion.


Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 13):
So until you work a day in your life for everything you have. SHUT YOUR MOUTH.

First of all, my this is an internet forum, not a telephone line. My mouth is only open when I fall asleep reading threads about Northwest's DC-9 replacements or about how much better/worse the 737 is when compared to the A32X.

Second, I work for a lot of things. I work for my grades, I work for my parents, I work for my church. And, starting soon, I'll be working at a grocery store. My car payment? Half of that will be coming out of my paycheck. My spending money? I haven't had any in months. Any cash my parents used to give me now goes to pay for my tuition. It just so happens that gas is one of the few things that I am fortunate enough not to have to work for.

Finally,

$2,700 a year in car insurance? That sucks. Down here its only about $1,200 or so, and I thought that we had it bad.

[Edited 2006-04-22 19:48:40]

User currently offlineAC773 From Canada, joined Nov 2005, 1730 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2810 times:

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 3):
So what would you do? Force private companies to reduce prices or invest in more refineries? Or would you demand a reduction in fuel duty, leading to significantly reduced government spending?

I can't speak for Great Britain, but in the United States, over half of the national budget is devoted to "defense". If we cut back on our spending in that area, we could more than afford to roll back fuel taxes. Of course, that might be a bad thing as it would serve as further motive for idiots to keep driving their mega-SUVs.

IMO, Canada has a bright economic future to look forward to because of all the oil locked up in tar sands. Maybe I should think about moving back... biggrin 

-AC773



Better to be nouveau than never to have been riche at all.
User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 31
Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2809 times:

Quoting KSYR (Reply 15):
Half of that will be coming out of my paycheck.

Boo hoo. I pay about 80 a WEEK just for my car loan. plus another 70 for insurance. PLus 40 for gas. Gee. lets do some math boys and girls. Nevermind, I still pay more then KSYR.... and probably always will because mommy and daddy spoils the shit out of him.

Quoting KSYR (Reply 15):
My spending money? I haven't had any in months.

Heh. whats spending money? dont think i've heard of that since, oh, IDK, may, june of '05....

Quoting KSYR (Reply 15):
Do I care if someone from BDL thinks less of me for it?

I honestly dont care if you do, but I still think you're spoiled.

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 14):
D)Let's not forget anyone under 30 is so disenfranchised with the political process at this point in time the only thing they care about is getting money to pay for a cellphone and an IP address. No matter how hard Limbaugh and Stewart scream; NOTHING else matters so long as they can download their MP3's and blog to myspace.

Actually, no. Im active in our nations politics and consider myself fortunate that in 2008 I will be able to vote out inept leadership and I care more about making money to be able to pay my bills and see the world some more.

Quoting KSYR (Reply 15):
get free gas,

Ya, and with your POS gas guzzling SUV mummy and daddy will be forking out 100 bucks a week. I cant wait to see how long that lasts and then you come on here bitching and moaning that you cant afford gas for it and then I get to tell you, I told you so.

Quoting KSYR (Reply 15):
you get to go to JROTC.

Whoa boy. I get to put on a uniform and go to class> for free... in a public school  sarcastic 

Quoting KSYR (Reply 15):
work for my grades, I work for my parents, I work for my church.

Tell me? Does that add up to 60 hours working two jobs plus school, JROTC and the crap I gotta do at home?



Doors open, right hand side, next stop is Springfield.
User currently offlineSATX From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2840 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2805 times:

"Where Is The Outrage Over Fuel Prices?!"

If you want lower prices then maybe you should start consuming a lot less oil. It sure seems simple enough to me. As for me personally, after flying to both Asia and Europe in 2004, I cut all my flying down to a handful of domestic trips in 2005, even though I still really enjoy flying to far off locations. I also cut my road trips down and started carpooling to work in a car that gets 45 MPG. On the weekends I now make one big trip to visit friends, family, and run errands instead of multiple shorter trips all over the place. I'm also considering moving much closer to my job to cut down on my commute time. What exactly are you doing, besides complaining?

Quoting Go3Team (Reply 6):
Almost nearly impossible due to the crazy enviromental people. The extreme would rather have fuel prices as high as possible, and will fight like hell to keep it that way. There was a thread over in civ-av about raising taxes for air cargo. Those are the kind of people we are dealing with.

Here we go again. If you're going to blame environmentalists, then maybe you should first explain why the oil companies who closed down dozens of domestic refineries are not to blame. If you simply follow the money you'll eventually see that a significant portion of the recent rise in the price of gas comes from the oil companies' choice to reduce previous levels of slack in their just-in-time supply chain. Just because conservative Americans hate environmentalists doesn't mean we're to blame for all your ills. I only wish we had the kind of power and influence people like you give us credit for. The sad truth is that environmentalists are little more than Corporate America's whipping boy in today's pro-business America.



Open Season on Consumer Protections is Just Around the Corner...
User currently offlineLOT767-300ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2791 times:

Quoting KSYR (Reply 15):
Second, I work for a lot of things. I work for my grades, I work for my parents, I work for my church. And, starting soon, I'll be working at a grocery store. My car payment? Half of that will be coming out of my paycheck. My spending money? I haven't had any in months. Any cash my parents used to give me now goes to pay for my tuition. It just so happens that gas is one of the few things that I am fortunate enough not to have to work for.

You work for your grades, parents and church? Someone hold me while I fall over and laugh.

Quoting KSYR (Reply 15):
$2,700 a year in car insurance? That sucks. Down here its only about $1,200 or so, and I thought that we had it bad.

Son, grow up. How the hell do you know what kind of policy/options he covers next to your liability.

Quoting SATX (Reply 18):
If you want lower prices then maybe you should start consuming a lot less oil. It sure seems simple enough to me. As for me personally, after flying to both Asia and Europe in 2004

So your saying if we drive less gas prices will go down. Its just magical that thats not the case anywhere ELSE in the world...even with high taxes.

Quoting SATX (Reply 18):
I only wish we had the kind of power and influence people like you give us credit for. The sad truth is that environmentalists are little more than Corporate America's whipping boy in today's pro-business America.

Thank god, otherwise we would have missed something called the Industrial Revolution 150 years ago.


User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2781 times:

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 13):
$2,700 a year insurance

Holy shit! I pay $900 a year (with $0 deductable comprehensive) for a 4x4 SUV!

It's time for our chimpanzee president and Congress to get th ethanol plants going...and fast! Brazil doesn't have to import any fuel anymore. Why can't we do that?

Mark

[Edited 2006-04-22 20:57:16]

User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 31
Reply 21, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2774 times:

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 19):
You work for your grades, parents and church? Someone hold me while I fall over and laugh.

 rotfl 

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 19):
Son, grow up. How the hell do you know what kind of policy/options he covers next to your liability.

Thats it. welcome to my RU list LOT767-300er.

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 20):
Holy shit! I pay $900 a year (with $0 deductable comprehensive) for a 4x4 SUV!

Well this is Massachusetts. We have the nations highest insurance rates. All I have is collision, property and bodily injury for 50K oh and winshield coverage.... all on a '96 lumina....



Doors open, right hand side, next stop is Springfield.
User currently offlineKSYR From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2768 times:

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 17):
Boo hoo. I pay about 80 a WEEK just for my car loan. plus another 70 for insurance. PLus 40 for gas. Gee. lets do some math boys and girls. Nevermind, I still pay more then KSYR.... and probably always will because mommy and daddy spoils the shit out of him.

I'm not claiming that I have to pay more for things than you. If I did, there would be a serious problem. Rather, I was refuting your claim that I somehow have everything given to me. I still have to work for some things that I want/need.

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 17):
Heh. whats spending money? dont think i've heard of that since, oh, IDK, may, june of '05....

Seems like we are in the same boat there buddy.

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 17):
I honestly dont care if you do, but I still think you're spoiled.

I probably am spoiled. And I am going to continue to enjoy being spoiled until I have to get out into the real world. Why not take things that are given to you while you have the chance?

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 17):
Ya, and with your POS gas guzzling SUV mummy and daddy will be forking out 100 bucks a week. I cant wait to see how long that lasts and then you come on here bitching and moaning that you cant afford gas for it and then I get to tell you, I told you so.

I seriously doubt that is going to happen.

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 17):
Whoa boy. I get to put on a uniform and go to class> for free... in a public school

And...? I went to a public school every year until this year. And if my current school had JROTC, I would certainly do it. Fortunately I have been able to experience the military firsthand (after being an Army brat my entire life), and I feel that I have sacrificed enough that I don't feel badly about being spoiled now.

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 17):
Tell me? Does that add up to 60 hours working two jobs plus school, JROTC and the crap I gotta do at home?

Did I ever claim that it did?

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 19):
You work for your grades, parents and church? Someone hold me while I fall over and laugh.

It doesn't pay, but those are the reasons that until now I haven't been able to get a "real" job.

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 19):
Son, grow up. How the hell do you know what kind of policy/options he covers next to your liability.

Just an observation; no need to bite my head off for observing that his insurance seems to be a little steep compared to other policies I have seen.

Reply #20 made the same observation, and I don't see you having a shit fit with AsstChief...

[Edited 2006-04-22 21:03:17]

User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 31
Reply 23, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2763 times:

Quoting KSYR (Reply 22):
Did I ever claim that it did?

IDK. I was asking you a question based on this statement:

Quoting KSYR (Reply 15):
Second, I work for a lot of things. I work for my grades, I work for my parents, I work for my church. And, starting soon, I'll be working at a grocery store.



Quoting KSYR (Reply 22):
Just an observation; no need to bite my head off for observing that his insurance seems to be a little steep compared to other policies I have seen.

Read below.....

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 21):
Well this is Massachusetts. We have the nations highest insurance rates. All I have is collision, property and bodily injury for 50K oh and winshield coverage.... all on a '96 lumina....

And let me just say this. That first step off that horse is gonna be a big one. Try not to trip.



Doors open, right hand side, next stop is Springfield.
User currently offlineAirlinerfreak From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2756 times:

With Americas constant interest to purchase items at lower costs it has forced them to turn to other countries for manufacturing goods. By doing this, people in these other countries that never had money before are now getting money and a lot of it. We are seeing countries such as China, needing oil to meet their enormous demands due to their surging middle class. What we as Americans dont understand is that we caused this. We can argue bitch fight all we want, but we caused this. Also, you are going to start to see these high oil prices hurt you in other places aside from the gas tank. Things in stores, specifically baby oils and things of that nature will increase in price. As a whole I would definiately have to say that everything will increase in price as shipping costs are going to increase drastically.

I am personally hoping for prices to go up and up and up. Americans will not act unless it gets to a point where it is overly ridiculous. We are seeing these oil companies turning over profits never before even heard of. It is truely ridiculous. We as Americans though will not act until we can simply not afford it. I think we should rebel personally. We should all just stop driving. Even if it is for a day. I know it would be hard to do, but it would hurt the gas companies greatly.

Also, I do not know if any of you have heard of this but a new fuel source has been created from corn. There are commercials running today about it. I learned about it in my AP Environmental Science Class. The problem is though, Americans wont act, unless there is something great that affects them and that just isn't there. It is truely a shame. We as Americans need to take some action, otherwise the price per barrell has nowhere to go but up.


25 Post contains links Go3Team : http://www.consumerwatchdog.org/ener...losure+of+Bakersfield+oil+refinery Shell's ability to keep the refinery operating through March 31 may depend
26 Cfalk : What do you want to do? Invade Saudi Arabia and Venezuela? How about Iraq, where we are already there? We can just steal the oil and not pay for it.
27 Post contains images Jutes85 : Nope, you made the decision to leave and you must stick to it. I'm lucky enough not to have to worry about high gas prices since my school/job site i
28 Post contains links Dtwclipper : Technically, gas prices where higher in 1979 then they are now, of course adjusted for inflation. In 1979 we were paying an average of $1.274 a gallon
29 NorthStarDC4M : note to self: make sure you hide the Plutonium when you get home tonight... Seriously though, the price of petroleum NEEDS to go up in the US. Why? B
30 Jutes85 : I think that SUV's should have a 20% gas guzzler tax, like most sports cars have, it will make the fat soccer moms think twice about buying that SUV t
31 Post contains images LOT767-300ER : How can you even presume that without knowing what policy he has and what car it insures? A liability for a Ford Explorer is different than full cove
32 Post contains images AvObserver : Unless citizens en masse start to threaten oil company and government officials, I doubt we'll see any kind of action on price relief. Americans seem
33 Corey07850 : No, I'm suggesting people lobby for lower taxes on fuel, or incentives given to oil producing companies to increase their production or allowing them
34 Post contains images LOT767-300ER : My RR didnt go down yet, so why am I not there yet?
35 Post contains images Cadet57 : LMAO, ha. How bout now? No.
36 LOT767-300ER : I see you...thanks. However, peculiarly my RR only goes up if I switch from the Polish flag to the American or Swedish one....weird.
37 NorthStarDC4M : thats Gnerbobulax you puny earth human! Anyways, E85 fuels will become more common, it's envitable. Pure petroleum fuel is going the way of leaded ga
38 Post contains images Cadet57 : heh, weird... Maybe its a sign
39 LOT767-300ER : I am sorry Lord Gherbolbobbulax from the planet Gnerbobulax. Are you trying to tell me that just because I have a Polish flag there my RR automatical
40 PSA727 : Outrage??? Give me a f**king break. Am I suppose to feel sorry for the soccer mom driving her 15 mpg SUV because her gas bill is going up. I grew up i
41 Post contains images Cadet57 : no no no. Just odd that it did that. Maybe johan doesnt like the polish flag for some reason. ONLY KIDDING.
42 Post contains images Cfalk : That is the LAST thing that needs to be done. If fuel prices are made to be abnormally low (already the case in the US, compared to the rest of the w
43 Photopilot : And therein lies the problem Total APATHY coupled with an "I don't give a fuck about anybody else" ATTITUDE and you have the reason not only for high
44 Lehpron : Why should there be, we are all guilty, it's not like people are suddenly going to stop driving in protest, we still need the stuff. Those who feel t
45 Cadet57 : People are gonna get tired of paying out the ass at the pump. And fight for a change. Then you wont see EOM making the billions they do... Prety soon
46 PSA727 : Who's stopping them now from using alternate forms of transportation? Right now it's a seller's market in the oil business, and nothing indicates tha
47 Cadet57 : Well, speaking personally. I cant get a school bus as Im out of district and use School Choice, and for work. No public trasport from my hometown to
48 PSA727 : And Exxon-Mobil is responsible for that in what way ? Or is BDL the only source for employment in your area ? And remember, gas prices were higher ri
49 Cadet57 : Diddnt say it was. No, but my point is, why should I take public trasport or have to switch jobs? My car is rather fuel efficient. Im suprised as its
50 PSA727 : Here's a reason: Ask anyone in the oil industry, and they will tell you that there is always a spike in gas prices in the springtime. Why??? Because
51 Copaair737 : What a tool. My step-cousin was just like you, and he just now ended up going out into the real world after living how it seems like you live. Guess
52 Cadet57 : Then if thats the case, which I can understand, why dont they start making this stuff in say dec, jan and stockpile it for the spring so we dont go t
53 PSA727 : Then the price of gas would go up even further, ask any company what happens when the keep surplus inventory, operating costs go up. Why do you think
54 Cadet57 : Sorry, you got me a bit confused there. Are you saying the media is predicting right or are they just getting too excited with the idea of $4.00 gas?
55 Corey07850 : Precisely... If that is true, then you would think after all the years of fuel production the companies would be able to account for this. What I not
56 Psa53 : On May 1st,many business have announced that they will be closing because of a immigration protest and walk out,but more likely for safety reasons,the
57 PSA727 : Once again...Why? They would have to build additional storage tanks to hold this extra fuel, and for what, it's not like they're going to lose money
58 Cadet57 : So you would grind national and international bussiness, commerce, travel to a hault? This isnt some lowly mall where maybe 1,000 people work. THIS I
59 Post contains links Psa53 : Then,I guess we do nothing and go back driving 55 until the hybrids and other fuel resources kick in. Here's a link about May 1st. http://www.answerla
60 AsstChiefMark : I just got back from a Krispy Kreme run. Gas was $2.69 yesterday. It was $2.76 at noon today. Now, ten hours later, it's $2.96. And no one's driving.
61 L-188 : Can I assume that those are prices in CDN? I have seem lower numbers then you list last year but I know those where in USD. But the point doesn't cha
62 RayChuang : The big question is whether the USA is willing to impose the type of excise taxes on new motor vehicles based on engine displacement and physical size
63 Senorcarnival : Outrage? Americans are so dependent on gas, the vast majority will gladly bend over at the pump and take the pain of $5-6/gal in some places come June
64 NorthStarDC4M : Actually they are in US, but also in the most conservative light possible. There have been figures all over the place floated abnout Ethanol especial
65 L-188 : Ok, the numbers I have heard tended to be in a range say about $20 lower then your cost. But you are right it is theoretical since these plants don't
66 Bill142 : To all the complainers: Ever heard of the bus?
67 Cfalk : Whenever a business depends on a single commodity for their products, crude oil in this case, they MUST price their product accoding to replacement c
68 Post contains images Superfly : Should President Chevez choke on Dubya & Co's cum instead?
69 Srbmod : While I don't like the higher gas prices, I'm not outraged. The bulk of my driving is in a company vehicle, so the gas is paid for by my employer. The
70 NIKV69 : Omg, are you kidding? The only thing that will stop the Arabs from killing us with high gas prices is #1, cut down our needless driving and #2 stop w
71 Post contains images Superfly : Please tell me someone stole your password! First of all, your use of the word "Arabs" is way off base. An Arab is a bloodline, much like White, Blac
72 NIKV69 : Well I know nobody stole your password, your just as off base as usual. Go back to HS and ask your SS teacher about "supply and demand" We needlessly
73 Post contains images Superfly : Super-sport teacher? I never took auto-mechanics. I agree 100%. However, the fools runing around with diapers on there head really don't care what ki
74 AGM100 : Bill Orielly thinks the Gov. should step in and cap oil company profits. His position is that the prices rise from supply shortage speculation. He cla
75 NIKV69 : Ok let me explain it to you. The more and more we need gas the more we are going to pay. The more we have to drive these useless vehicles the more we
76 Cfalk : I've heard O'Reilly's rants on the subject, and I think he is woefully out of his depth on this issue. His field of expertise is political and social
77 AGM100 : Ya I got that , but he is watched by millions of people who do not just dimiss him like you. He always has experts on thier and he is not in the majo
78 Cfalk : I worked a lot in Russia and Ukraine in the months following the breakup of the Soviet Union, and saw how Soviet law placed limits on profitability.
79 767Lover : I guess it's the fact that heavy taxes are levied on the manufacturer which get passed onto the consumer. State excise taxes average about 21 cents a
80 L-188 : I think we allready have high prices. I think this next year is going to be very intersting because it is the 2nd year of +$2 gasoline. So you have a
81 Cfalk : No you don't. Much of the rest of the world is paying $5 per gallon.
82 Scott2187 : i drive 20-25 miles a day to work. it would be kind of pointless for me to move closer, because classes are starting again in 2 weeks, and my apartme
83 AGM100 : I agree with this Cfalk, but I am afraid it may happen anyways. Not unlike healthcare , many americans believe the government "needs to do something"
84 RayChuang : Which is the reason why Ford may unveil the next-generation Ford Fiesta (now designed for worldwide sale) at the North American International Auto Sh
Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
Where Is The Outrage Over The Daily News Leak? posted Sat Jul 8 2006 22:36:17 by Tbar220
Where Is The Outrage From The Arab World? posted Tue Mar 2 2004 16:11:21 by Jamesag96
Where Is The Cat In A Bag? posted Thu Oct 6 2005 15:41:00 by Gordonsmall
Where Is The Q & Z posted Thu Sep 29 2005 00:23:50 by VSMike
Where Is The Fox's Property? posted Thu Sep 8 2005 06:01:19 by Swisskloten
Where Is The Religious Left? posted Fri Mar 25 2005 01:50:04 by Zrs70
Where Is The Condemnation For Russia On Iran? posted Sat Feb 26 2005 05:09:05 by Falcon84
Where Is The EU Going (Pat Cox Ex-Parliament Pres) posted Fri Dec 3 2004 03:04:00 by Teahan
How Is The Weather Over There? posted Sat Oct 30 2004 15:15:58 by MADtoCAE
Where Is The Condemnation From The Arab World? posted Sat Jun 19 2004 04:36:35 by Rjpieces