Dc10s4ever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3432 times:
George Bush will go down as the worst president this country has ever elected. He lied about the reason to go to war in Iraq. Record high oil and engergy prices will soon translate into rapid inflation. Record deficit spending. Setting the country back decades with his overly conservative views. (leave the Bible out of the White House!)..CIA leaks and the list goes on.
George Bush, his entire cabinet as well as his oil cronies all deserve to be thrown out into the street.....
Talking about oil, one of my friends today was saying that Bush should do something about the oil prices, and I replied, "Why would he want to to anything about oil prices? Look at where his family fortune is from."
Ok, how is that his fault? He dosn't control how high oil and other commodities will go. High price is just a consequence of the free market. Live with it.
Quoting Dc10s4ever (Thread starter): Setting the country back decades with his overly conservative views. (leave the Bible out of the White House!
Hey, the American people knew he was conservative when they voted for him twice. Besides that, it's the man's right to believe in a god or not. Just because you're president dosn't mean you have to give up faith and do the things you feel are correct. Ironically though, I feel Bush is anything but conservative.
Dc10s4ever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3403 times:
Quoting Yanksn4 (Reply 4): Never proven. 9/11 investigated the claims, found nothing. Simply, he was told the wrong info from the CIA, British and Italian intelligence services.
Oh BS if you believe that I have some beautiful oceanfront property in Kansas for you.
Quoting Yanksn4 (Reply 4): Ok, how is that his fault? He dosn't control how high oil and other commodities will go. High price is just a consequence of the free market. Live with it.
No he may not have direct control, but he does have control over political tensions which is adding close to $15.00 to the cost of a barrel of oil.
Personally I do believe, it may be 20-30 years afer he leaves office, but one day it will come out that Bush and his entire regime were nothing but a bunch of corrupt liars out to line their own pockets at the expense of American tax payers.
AsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3403 times:
His idealism has gotten in the way of our pragmatic needs. He's absolutely unbending...even in the face of various national crises. His rigid philosophy prevents him from seeing his beloved country go down the tubes.
Bushpilot From South Africa, joined Jul 2007, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3369 times:
Quoting Yanksn4 (Reply 4): Simply, he was told the wrong info from the CIA, British and Italian intelligence services.
I dont think this is the case, I think he chose to believe the wrong information
That being said, I agree there is only a few things I would rather see than Bush at impeachment hearings, but as it is right now, there isnt anything to impeach him on for breaking the law. Unfortunatly there is no provision for removing a man from elected office for being inept, unconcerned, unmotivated and out of touch with reality. He must break the law. Now again going back to the Clinton BJ thread, Clinton was impeached because he committed perjury, now whether one thinks the circumstances of the questioning is another topic, but it is not a crime for Bush to lie every time he says something, it is a crime when he lies under oath.
A few questions...are we better off with Cheney not only running the show as he does now, but also wielding that much power? I think Cheney being the "evil genius" he is, we are better off with Bush.
I being a mid twenties aged guy, and interested in politics, didnt live through the turmoil of the 60s-70s where a time when my parents lost faith in the government. Before March 2003 I had this faith in the leaders of the country, on both sides of the aisle. My views of that has changed completely mostly on the account of the man living at 1600 Penn. I dont trust the leaders, I wont be fooled again by them.
If all of you who are so "Unhappy with the President" ever got off your collective asses and used your vast knowledge of Politics's to promote political change in your own City, County, Township or State, we wouldn't have this problem. Apathy is killing this country, not the President. Unless you can do better or ARE doing something in your community to promote change, STFU.
Bushpilot From South Africa, joined Jul 2007, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3301 times:
Quoting PSA727 (Reply 13): Like Clinton and NAFTA had nothing to do with that?
Yeah blame Clinton for NAFTA, are you going to blame him for the current Iraq debacle as well. Just because the bill was signed under Clinton, keep in mind that it was Bush 41 and Reagan who got NAFTA rolling.
Guilty of wishful thinking, maybe. But remember the well-documented conversation between Bush and CIA Director Tenet.
Bush: "George, how certain are you that Saddam actually has those WMD's?"
Tenet: "Mr. President, It's a slam dunk."
Tell me, when the guy in charge of intel tells you that, and you hear the same thing from British, Russian, and Egyptian intelligence, are you going to tell me that you would still have doubts? He was certain in his convictions that WMDs were there. He was wrong, but he did not lie.
Bush has no influence on oil prices. All he could do is impose restrictions on how much oil America consumes, such as increasing CAFE standards, which, by the way Bush did do in 2004 for the first time in a decade. Clinton did not do crap for fuel efficiency standards.
Wrong. You are spinning. While in absolute dollar terms the deficit is at its highest, you don't take inflation into account. In terms of percentage of GDP (the only proper measurment), deficits have been much worse many times in the 70s, 80s, and 90s.
But I will agree that he has not done enough to reduce spending.
PSA727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 974 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3288 times:
Quoting Bushpilot (Reply 15): Just because the bill was signed under Clinton, keep in mind that it was Bush 41 and Reagan who got NAFTA rolling.
Yeah, I forgot that Clinton was always signing bills he disagreed with.
It never would have happed without Clinton's support...PERIOD !
Do you not agree that NAFTA is responsible for the outsourcing of
jobs? As soon as NAFTA passed into law, many US manufacturers
closed their US production plants and re-opened them in places
like Tijuana and Hermosillo...my brother's and cousin's included.
But, yeah, I can see how GWB is to blame for that.
Texan From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 4298 posts, RR: 52
Reply 21, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3254 times:
I've been anti-Bush since before he was elected governor here. I would love to see him kicked out of office. But we do not have any proof. Without any proof, this discussion is pretty useless. I've looked around for evidence, and all I have are suspicions and beliefs, still no proof. To do that we would need access to his records, access that we will not now nor likely ever receive. If you really want to effect change, start campaigning for people who are against corruption, work hard to get them elected, or run yourself. Be out there at every meeting, every event in your area, talk to people, enlist their help, start local, and grow grow grow.
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