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Bush Liked In Only Four States  
User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39898 posts, RR: 74
Posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1880 times:

Bush has a positive approval rating in Utah, Wyoming, Idaho and Nebraska.

"The latest Fox News poll puts Bush's approval at only 33 percent."

...and that's a Fox (faux) poll. So just imagine how low his numbers really are.

If we define red states as states where the public supports Bush, Red America now has a smaller population than New York City.

Looks like Bush has lost Dixie as well.

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User currently offlineOly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6758 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1875 times:

Ah, though you were going to say solid, liquid, gas and plasma.

Well, he's in his 2nd 4 year term and will walk away from it all so is he really going to be too bothered? It'll be someone else next time at the election. Does his approval rating match the Republican approval rating, if such a thing is measured? Does the party suffer because of the president or is there a separation between feelings about one and the other?



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User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8451 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1871 times:

Apparently those four states count....

User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39898 posts, RR: 74
Reply 3, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1868 times:

Oly720man:
It's too bad Bush isn't on any ballot. If so, he would lose.
His low numbers hurt his influence on upcoming House and Senate races. His low numbers doesn't help Republicans in trouble that are up for re-election.
Then again, him and his boy Karl Rove can release another Bin Laden tape before the elections to influence the outcome in there favor. Many voters conservative voters eat that up with mustard.  Sad



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21654 posts, RR: 55
Reply 4, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1858 times:

Quoting Oly720man (Reply 1):
Does his approval rating match the Republican approval rating, if such a thing is measured? Does the party suffer because of the president or is there a separation between feelings about one and the other?

I'm not sure how his approval rating matches the overall GOP approval ratings, but I can say with a good level of confidence that it isn't helping. The relationship between party and president varies from president to president and Congress to Congress (or should I say the extent of it varies - there is always at least some relationship). In this case, both the Republicans in Congress and the Administration got in bed together early on, and it will be hard for many to distance themselves from Bush when they were so openly behind him for so long. Look for many of them to try, however.

-Mir



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User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1832 times:

Quoting Oly720man (Reply 1):
Does the party suffer because of the president or is there a separation between feelings about one and the other?

The short answer is a little bit. Unfortunately the Republicans have years of screaming 'tax and spend LIBERALS' under their belt to come out of 8 years with Republican control of congress and POTUS to the bigest debt per capita, and more pork then even Ted Stevens could even tolerate.

I have said it again, and I'll re-iterate it until I can say 'I told you so'. The democrats will likely win back both congress and POTUS, and try to take action to curb debt by raising taxes. the economy will go into a tailspin a-la Jimmy Carter, and the Democrats will look like the assholes for 'doing the right thing'. The Republicans will sweep in 4 years later and 'save the day again', spending more money then now.  Yeah sure

IF we are lucky (I doubt it), The Indepenents will unify in moderate anti 2 party platform, and make them both look like the loosers they are. All the while returning sanity to government, back to 'for, and by the people' instead of 'for and by the PAC'.


User currently offlineNeilYYZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1826 times:

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 5):
IF we are lucky (I doubt it), The Indepenents will unify in moderate anti 2 party platform, and make them both look like the loosers they are. All the while returning sanity to government, back to 'for, and by the people' instead of 'for and by the PAC'.

Be very careful what you wish for. In Canada we have 4 major parties (Conservative, Liberals, NDP & Bloc Quebecois) and then the 1 Green Party as well as the ability to run as an independant and win a seat in the House of Commons. Because of the way the parties are spread out we are in a self perpetuating cycle of minority governments, where no party holds the majority of seats in the House. We had an election in June '05, January '06 and will probably have another one in about a year to a year and a half. Not much can get done with the minority government, any solid bill is so watered down by the time it gets to the Senate for confirmation that you could probably just pour it into a glass and flush it down the toilet. You can topple the government in Canada by a majority of the House showing a vote of non-confidence in the government, a non-confidence vote can be issued on any bill that invovles spending money. It's ugly up here now, and I don't really see an end in sight, I just wish we could ditch a party or two and consolidate them.


User currently offlineGreasespot From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 3084 posts, RR: 20
Reply 7, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1796 times:

Quoting Oly720man (Reply 1):
Well, he's in his 2nd 4 year term and will walk away from it all so is he really going to be too bothered?

He is a politician....So yeah he does....If he did not care why would he do the last whitehous staff shakeup?

GS



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User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 30
Reply 8, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1777 times:

Quoting Superfly (Thread starter):
Bush Liked In Only Four States

Suprising? yes. I thought less states liked him... And whats sad, TEXAS dont even want that bastard.

Quoting Oly720man (Reply 1):
Ah, though you were going to say solid, liquid, gas and plasma.

 rotfl 



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User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1775 times:

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 5):
The short answer is a little bit. Unfortunately the Republicans have years of screaming 'tax and spend LIBERALS' under their belt to come out of 8 years with Republican control of congress and POTUS to the bigest debt per capita, and more pork then even Ted Stevens could even tolerate.

Agree entirely. It has been a longtime practice that the congressmen and senators who sit on the appropriation commitees manage to squeeze in tons of pet pork projects for themselves and their friends into larger funding bills(which is why every president since Reagan has demanded the line-item veto). And it is a shame to the republicans that after all their rhetoric, they have been guilty of doing exactly the same thing. They deserve to be slapped around hard in November for that.

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 5):
The democrats will likely win back both congress and POTUS, and try to take action to curb debt by raising taxes. the economy will go into a tailspin a-la Jimmy Carter, and the Democrats will look like the assholes for 'doing the right thing'. The Republicans will sweep in 4 years later and 'save the day again', spending more money then now.

You might well have it close to the mark. What we need is a line item veto. Unfortunately, just like federal term limits, this must be approved by Congress, and they are not about to pass limits on their own power.

What we need are new political parties. Repubs and Dems have both gone off the rails.


User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7780 posts, RR: 16
Reply 10, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1757 times:

Quoting Oly720man (Reply 1):
Well, he's in his 2nd 4 year term and will walk away from it all so is he really going to be too bothered?

Typically for a 2-term President, the 2nd term is when they try to develop their legacy. This usually involves some major policy overhaul or tightening up their agenda from their first term. Unfortunately for President Bush he does not seem to be in a position to do that. Social Security Reform is stillborn, and No Child Left Behind is generally unpopular and getting a lot of flak. He had an opportunity post 9/11 to exert bi-partisan and international leadership, but the Iraq war put an end to that.

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 9):
federal term limits

While in principle I think federal term limits for Congressmen and Senators is a good idea, it is a bad idea in practice. Ultimately I think the problem is not elected officials spending 20-30+ yrs in office, the problem is the influence of outside money from special interest groups, lobby groups, etc. This power is what keeps elected officials in office and gets legislation passed that may not be in the interest of the "people".

However term limits couples with meaningful campaign finance reform and tighter rules on lobbying might prove to be effective.

[Edited 2006-04-25 15:55:02]


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User currently offlineTexan From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 4278 posts, RR: 52
Reply 11, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1731 times:

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 8):
And whats sad, TEXAS dont even want that bastard.

He does sit at a 49% approval rating in Texas, though, at least as of last week (per Dallas Morning News). What is telling, though, is that his popularity numbers have been dipping in Dallas, Tarrant, and Collin Counties in North Texas and Harris in South Texas. His numbers are dipping a little but are still very strong in Fort Bend County, possibly the reddest county in Texas. Midland/Odessa, Amarillo, Lubbock, and BPT are all solidly in favor of him as well. Don't know about San Antonio and Austin is not even worth addressing  Silly

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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1723 times:

Quoting Superfly (Thread starter):
Bush has a positive approval rating in Utah, Wyoming, Idaho and Nebraska.

Not even in Texas!  boggled 

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 5):
Unfortunately the Republicans have years of screaming 'tax and spend LIBERALS' under their belt to come out of 8 years with Republican control of congress and POTUS to the bigest debt per capita, and more pork then even Ted Stevens could even tolerate.

Yes, and now we have the "Tax Cut and Spend Conservatives". I still can't believe no one in the DNC has come up with that slogan. It's so appropriate.


User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 13, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1698 times:

Does anyone who reads these polls take note that the general public, when polled say the following things over 60% of the time.

I don't like the job the President is doing..

I really don't like the job Congress is doing..

I really, really don't like the other political party and blame them for what's happening...

I'm doing ok, but I'm worried about everyone else (because the news is always bad, I'm waiting on the other shoe to drop)....

My Senator/Congressman is fine, it's everyone else.




Now....tell me what's going to change?



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User currently offlineMKEdude From South Korea, joined May 2005, 1011 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1696 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 3):
His low numbers hurt his influence on upcoming House and Senate races. His low numbers doesn't help Republicans in trouble that are up for re-election.
Then again, him and his boy Karl Rove can release another Bin Laden tape before the elections to influence the outcome in there favor. Many voters conservative voters eat that up with mustard.

Rove won't even have to do that, the Democrats are going to blow this election on their own. Nobody can snatch defeat from the jaws of victory like the Democratic party!



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39898 posts, RR: 74
Reply 15, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1646 times:

Quoting DL021 (Reply 13):
I really, really don't like the other political party and blame them for what's happening...

How can you blame the party out of power?

Quoting DL021 (Reply 13):
My Senator/Congressman is fine, it's everyone else.

Glad to see you've finally come around to support your Congress rep. Cynthia McKinney.  Smile



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User currently offlineConfuscius From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 3868 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1641 times:

"Bush has a positive approval rating in Utah, Wyoming, Idaho and Nebraska."

The Axis of Evil States.



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User currently offlineAlberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2921 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1635 times:

Quoting Confuscius (Reply 16):
The Axis of Evil States.



:D Big grin Big grin


I'm surprised that Bush is not loved in NY where his fiscal policies are beloved by Wall Street....



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User currently offlineNordair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1631 times:

And I thought the four states in which he got high approval ratings were:

Catatonic

Delirium

Inebriated

Vegetative


User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8508 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1611 times:

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 9):
which is why every president since Reagan has demanded the line-item veto)

The President already has a de facto line item veto. He can always send a bill back if there's something in it that he disagrees with.


User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 20, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1579 times:

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 9):
And it is a shame to the republicans that after all their rhetoric, they have been guilty of doing exactly the same thing.

As a lifelong GOP member I have to agree with this statement. Shame on them!

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 9):
They deserve to be slapped around hard in November for that.

Yes, they probably do. I just worry about the other side and what they would do.

Quoting DL021 (Reply 13):
My Senator/Congressman is fine, it's everyone else.

It's the other 434 of them that are corrupt!



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User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1570 times:

Quoting MD-90 (Reply 19):
The President already has a de facto line item veto. He can always send a bill back if there's something in it that he disagrees with.

No, because they always attach these amendments to large, important spending bills. Do you throw out the entire defence budget for next year because there are a few pork projects in there? It's a baby / bathwater thing, and that's the way Congress likes it.

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 20):
Yes, they probably do. I just worry about the other side and what they would do.

That's the problem. As much as I am pissed off at the Republicans, I see the Democrats taking over Congress as an even worse scenario.

Which is why I want to see new parties.


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39898 posts, RR: 74
Reply 22, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1555 times:

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 20):
I just worry about the other side and what they would do.

What are you so afraid of Democrats for?
Another national holiday? Big grin

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 21):
I see the Democrats taking over Congress as an even worse scenario.

Look at the bright side, they can impeach Bush.



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User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 23, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1544 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 22):
What are you so afraid of Democrats for?

That's a whole other thread!

Quoting Superfly (Reply 22):
Another national holiday?

Any ideas what it could be? I could use a day off without having to blow a vacation day.



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User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1522 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 22):
Look at the bright side, they can impeach Bush.

Look on the even brighter side - Cheney would become President! I always thought that Cheney would be a better president. Of course lefties won't like him because he's an evil businessman.


25 DL021 : I'm guessing you did not effectively read the post you're quoting. I was stating the results of several polls taken. I don't like or support my congr
26 Bushpilot : As one of the more liberal appearing folks around here, I love Stevens. As a life long Alaskan, he has done great work for AK. Sure he is an egotisti
27 Superfly : Point taken. Uhh, Cheney IS the President. Bush is just a stupid puppet. Impeach them both.
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