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User currently offlineL-1011Alpha From Puerto Rico, joined Feb 2000, 331 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 3 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 816 times:

Hi.

Yesterday I went to a casino. In my first 10 minutes of play I won (with $10) $245.. After that, I played all the machines for about ONE hour, and I didn't won nothing. I spend the $45 for nothing.

My question is.... (For those Experts in Casinos)

Is there any trick for winning ?
Is there any trick to maximize my chances of winning ?

For example;
If a machine pays a lot of money, it is recommended play in that machine after that ?

Another question;

The machines are controlled by someone down the casino ?
OR they are already programmed ?

THANKS IN ADVANCE,
Sorry for my ignorance in this topic.

L-1011Alpha.


"For Us, Sky is not the limit.. Its Ground" / L-1011Alpha.
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User currently offlineJpetekYXMD80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4378 posts, RR: 27
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 810 times:

Quoting L-1011Alpha (Thread starter):
Is there any trick for winning ?
Is there any trick to maximize my chances of winning ?

Not really much you can do with the slots...except you should always use full credit (usually 3 coins). There have been horror stories of huge jackpots lost because the highest amount wasn't used.

Quoting L-1011Alpha (Thread starter):

The machines are controlled by someone down the casino ?
OR they are already programmed ?

Machines are carefully monitored, but I believe they have built in randomization and programming. It's not like someone is controlling the payouts in quick succession or on a micro level.



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User currently offlineNeilYYZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 810 times:

If you want to know how to play any casino card game and the strategy behind them, let me know, but all I would reccomend about the slot machines is that you do not play them! I go to the casino quite a bit, I do well at cards, roulette and craps, but the machines are just 100% random, I've seen the same machine pay out 10K in the span of 2 hours, and other machines pay out nothing for a long period of time. If you want to have fun at a casino, play the tables!

User currently offlineL-1011Alpha From Puerto Rico, joined Feb 2000, 331 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 805 times:

The problem in playing cards it that...

I DON"T KNOW HOw TO PLAY!

As far as I know, The roulette is more easy.



"For Us, Sky is not the limit.. Its Ground" / L-1011Alpha.
User currently offlineNeilYYZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 802 times:

If you would like I could explain blackjack, probably the easiest and most common card game at the casino. Now as for roulette, don't bet the numbers unless you have a substantial bankroll, bet the 1/3's, from the 1-12, 13-24, 25-36 because hitting it pays 2:1. I always play 2 on the 1/3's, I always keep one bet on 13-24 and then look at the board, if there's small numbers coming bet on the 25-36 and vice versa. If you have a good bankroll then bet 30 numbers, you'll hit them most of the time and winning will be very slow, but I've been known to build up a good chunk of money by spending 4 hours straight sitting at roulette.

User currently offlineItsjustme From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2768 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 800 times:

As ridiculous as this sounds, I truly believe that your mood and frame of mind play a roll (<-- get it?) in how well you do (or don't do). Call it superstition but I've seen this time and time again. Go in with an upbeat "I'm going to win" attitude and you're more apt to do so.

I avoid the slots at all costs (OK, I'll stop with the corny plays on words) and when playing craps I stay away from the 'sucker bets'. Blackjack...well, I try to keep to the rules of thumb but I sometimes wander. Also, remember there is no such thing as a "free" drink. The higher your blood alcohol level the foggier your mind gets and those pretty chips in front of you soon lose their correlation to your hard earned money and become just pieces of plastic (which is exaclty what the casino wants). My point...avoid the "free" (alcoholic) beverages. And finally, I always, always, always, set a losing limit and a winning limit and when I hit one or the other, I walk away. Basically, it's all about discipline.


User currently offlinePurdueAv2003 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 250 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 796 times:

Quoting Itsjustme (Reply 5):
Call it superstition...

It's superstition. My advice if you are going to a casino is to have fun. I do not go into a casino looking to hit it big. I go there to have fun playing the games. I allocate a set amout of money I am going to spend and find ways to make it last. I make a few large bets on a trip, but I make sure I don't go all out quickly. I've seen some guys on a week-long trip to Vegas burn all their money in one day and then mope around for the rest of the week.



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User currently offlineNeilYYZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 792 times:

Quoting PurdueAv2003 (Reply 6):
I've seen some guys on a week-long trip to Vegas burn all their money in one day and then mope around for the rest of the week.

I was playing the blackjack tables last night with a guy who was betting table max on two hands, the table max is 500.00 CDN per hand. I was doing pretty well, but this guy lost 40K in about 2 hours, it was sad to see him leave crying, actually not sad, pathetic. When I go to the casino I know that I'm willing to lose X amount of money, if I do, then I go home, if I win some, that's even better.


User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 792 times:

Quoting PurdueAv2003 (Reply 6):
It's superstition. My advice if you are going to a casino is to have fun. I do not go into a casino looking to hit it big. I go there to have fun playing the games. I allocate a set amout of money I am going to spend and find ways to make it last. I make a few large bets on a trip, but I make sure I don't go all out quickly. I've seen some guys on a week-long trip to Vegas burn all their money in one day and then mope around for the rest of the week.

Well said! In the end, if you go to the casino, hoping to make a bundle, then that's what is going to make you a gambling addict. It's always nice to win some cash at the casino, but most of all, the only times I went to the casino (I once even got inside still being underage  Wink), I mostly went for the free drinks and free cigarettes, while spending a little time at the slot machine (I never played Roulette, craps or even Blackjack, only the slot machine, and I did win a little bit a few times). Just go there to have a good time.


User currently offlineHPLASOps From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 781 times:

Quoting L-1011Alpha (Thread starter):
My question is.... (For those Experts in Casinos)

Is there any trick for winning ?
Is there any trick to maximize my chances of winning ?

For example;
If a machine pays a lot of money, it is recommended play in that machine after that ?

Another question;

The machines are controlled by someone down the casino ?
OR they are already programmed ?

A good friend of mine is a slot machine salesman.

For starters - don't waste your time on slots. It's gambling for people who don't like to gamble. Put money in, push a button, machine tells you if you won - no fun. Stick with tables, video poker, keno, sports book, whatever floats your boat - as long as it's a game where you get to make a least one decision besides whether or not to play.

But if you really insist on playing slots, go by these rules. Rule #1: All slot machines have the same shitty odds. Just because one has a fishing theme and the other one has a Wheel of Fortune theme doesn't mean you're more likely to win at one. All odds are heavily regulated by the state and each machine's payout is monitored regularly to ensure the machine is holding up to the prescribed odds and payout. Rule #2: If you hit big on one machine, don't expect to win anything else on that machine for awhile - they aren't as random as you would think. The reels are calculated and specfically timed to hit certain pay lines at certain times, and the odds of getting two big hits in one sitting are damn near impossible. Rule #3: Changing machines doesn't ensure you success. Each machine is independent and the odds of hitting big on another machine after hitting big on a different one are the same as if you started fresh. My advice - if you get lucky and hit big - just cash out and walk, the best thing you can do. But again, my advice is just to stay the hell away from slots, period.


User currently offlineHPLASOps From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 780 times:

Quoting L-1011Alpha (Reply 3):
The problem in playing cards it that...

I DON"T KNOW HOw TO PLAY!

As far as I know, The roulette is more easy.

Blackjack is easy to learn - most casinos provide free classes that will teach you how to play. I can teach you all you need to know about blackjack in one email - my dad and a few of my friends are dealers. Roulette is easy to understand but hard to play - you have to throw down a lot of money to win. I really haven't figured out craps yet myself (as least as far as good betting strategy - you may have to consult someone else on that). The trick to cards is knowing the deck - once you know how the deck of cards works you can learn any card game in the world. Poker is so common on tv now that you surely can watch it on tv and learn how that game works. Plus any poker website has free tables with play money you can join and get a feel for how it works. The information is plentifully abound if you wish to seek it and learn.


User currently offlineKiwiinOz From New Zealand, joined Oct 2005, 2165 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 773 times:

1st rule, you cannot win on machines. The casino operating the macines dictates what return they would like from said machine, and the machine operates accordingly.

The industry average is about 90 cents of every dollar wagered is retained by the casino.

In other words, stay the hell away.

If you want the best chance of winning, go with blackjack. But, more importantly, gamble as a means of entertainment, as opposed to a way to make cash. You get lucky every now and then, but overall, the house always wins.


User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8439 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 768 times:

Quoting KiwiinOz (Reply 11):
1st rule, you cannot win on machines. The casino operating the macines dictates what return they would like from said machine, and the machine operates accordingly

Here in Canberra, the odds have to be stacked in your favour on machines. Casino Tables are fair game, but must be that, fair. It's all carefully regulated here.


User currently offlineKiwiinOz From New Zealand, joined Oct 2005, 2165 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 765 times:

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 12):
Here in Canberra, the odds have to be stacked in your favour on machines.

I happen to know for sure that this is false, (after all, why on earth would you install a pokie machine if it was going to lose money?). It is true that they are more regulated than the rest of Australia, (except WA, where pokies are outlawed). Pokie machines in the ACT cannot retain more than 88%, which is exactly where everybody sets them.


User currently offlineBirdwatching From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 3809 posts, RR: 51
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 760 times:

Here is my gambling story. Crazy scary shit, hope this never happens to me again.

Well two summers ago me and my GF were touring the Southwest in my parents' VW Bus, and at one point we reached Lake Tahoe and went out for dinner at the Hard Rock Cafe. So this HRC is located inside a really big Casino so my GF and me decided to invest a couple of bucks at the roulette wheel. It all started out brilliant, we put our chips on random numbers and kept earning more than we spent, and soon at least the dinner check was paid off. This is the time we should have stopped. But stoopid gambling amateur planespotter Birdwatching came up with a phenomenal theory that was 100% foolproof to win himself any amount of money his tiny brain could imagine. Here it is: As I researched later it's called the Martingale (sp?) and it basically consists in betting colors only (49% chance of win), while keeping the same bet amount after a win, and simply doubling after a loss, so that in the end you're back to a win again. Because it's sooooo unlikely that you lose a 50-50 many times in a row. Or is it really? Hehe, it's more probable than you think! After going up about $100, and entering a losing streak, our initial bet quickly went from $5 to $10 to $20 to $40. To $80. To $160. This is when things started to turn nasty. Would I bet $320 just to continue my phenomenal strategy that's doomed to fail... and to lose that $320 with a 50-50 probability? I skipped one round, and voila, red turned up (my color), and it did again with the next spin. Damn, what was I supposed to do. My gf was too nervous to stay, so she went to the Bus because she couldn't watch. Ok, so I went to the ATM and got me $300. Put it one the board and closed my eyes. Heard the ball stop......................
.........................and then opened my eyes to see that my chips were being pushed away... NOT in my direction. DANG!!!!!! What was I going to tell my GF? OK, to someone else this amont might sound like something you could still write off to experience. but no, for us two poor roadtripping hippies this was a whole vacation that had just ended.

Enter totally undeserved luck. Whose is this, said the casino guy. (I forgot what you call them). He pointed towards a small pile of chips parked on a number. Nobody seemed to respond, but there was one guy who had left the table seconds before, probably (wrongfully) thinking he had lost. So anyway, for SOME reason the casino guy thought it was mine (I really wasn't doing anything but standing there with shivering hands), so before I could even realized what had happened, I found in front of me a massive pile of colorful plastic. Which I *slowly* collected with both hands, then *slowly* proceded to the pay out place (forgot that name too), and gave it to the lady, hands still shaking. Then I *slowly* proceded to the Bus with my gf in it, mint green in my pocket, and when we counted it, it was an amount which covered *exactly* the Hard Rock Cafe dinner plus what I had lost. Wow, it was like a corny movie. I really took that as a sign from above, and that concludes my crazy gambling frenzy.

Soren  santahat 



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User currently offlineItsjustme From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2768 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 751 times:

Little off the thread but...has anyone tried on line gambling? I did...once...on my 21st birthday with a blood alcohol level equivalent to the temp where water freezes. I won $217. Next day (might have been 2 days later...vote's not in yet) I realized how lucky I was and never did that again. Anyone else?

User currently offlineNeilYYZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 745 times:

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 14):
it's called the Martingale (sp?) and it basically consists in betting colors only (49% chance of win), while keeping the same bet amount after a win, and simply doubling after a loss, so that in the end you're back to a win again.

This is a theory that will absolutly kill you at the blackjack tables. At blackjack the key is to understand the cards and bet accordingly. Blackjack is a streaky game, you can win 8 in a row, or lose 8 in a row, the theory of doubling your money every time you lose can get you into a deep hole if you don't have a substantial bankroll. What I do, and most of the guys that I gamble with (no I won't gamble with girls, there's just too much emotion floating around) is to bet the table minimum to start a shoe. If the minimum is 10.00 and I win a hand, I take half of the bet back and put 15.00 on the next hand, if I win, 20.00 on the next hand, increasing the wager by half of the minimum bet with every win. Once I lose a hand, I start the process all over again. It's not the quickest way to win money, but if you go on a bad streak, you're only losing 10.00 per hand as opposed to the exponential growth of 10.00 per hand. Another thing that you need to remember in blackjack is don't play by the house rules, people think that this will win them money, it won't. You always have to assume that under the show card that the dealer has is a 10. If you have 14 and the dealer is showing a 6 you assume that the dealer has 16 and needs to draw, so you stay, and you have a greater than 50% chance of the dealer busting. There are often cards that the casino's will allow you to have at the table that show you what to do in every situation with any combination of cards in relation to the dealers cards. Another way of making money is by splitting in blackjack or doubling down, you double down when the dealer is showing a 6 or less and you have 17 or more. Splitting is good when you have a lower pair, or obviously aces, however, never be the idiot at the table that splits a 20, I've seen it done hundreds of times, and wondered why you'd ruin a good hand.


User currently offlineHPLASOps From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 740 times:

Just to follow up on blackjack theory:

Quoting NeilYYZ (Reply 16):
What I do, and most of the guys that I gamble with (no I won't gamble with girls, there's just too much emotion floating around) is to bet the table minimum to start a shoe. If the minimum is 10.00 and I win a hand, I take half of the bet back and put 15.00 on the next hand, if I win, 20.00 on the next hand, increasing the wager by half of the minimum bet with every win.

I don't think using such a structured betting style is the key. You gotta use your gut instinct too. Last night, I was playing a table with two sets of six deckers, one in the shuffle machine. I noticed a good vibe everytime the blue decks were in play and a bad vibe when the red decks were in play. Therefore, when I noticed the blue deck was in play, I would bet a little stronger, more agressive, when the red deck, I backed off and bet more conservative. It's also important to recognize when you're in a hot streak and when you're in a cold streak. Playing a set system of betting may not pay off for you the way the other technique could.

Quoting NeilYYZ (Reply 16):
There are often cards that the casino's will allow you to have at the table that show you what to do in every situation with any combination of cards in relation to the dealers cards.

I don't think Vegas casinos are as leinient about using cards and other assistance devices as Indian casinos might be. Vegas likes to hold itself to a higher standard.

Quoting NeilYYZ (Reply 16):
Splitting is good when you have a lower pair, or obviously aces, however, never be the idiot at the table that splits a 20

Splitting just might be the most overrated thing in blackjack. I only find in cases like 8's against a dealer 7, 9's against an 8, a situation where splitting will give you a better chance of winning than just taking a regular hit would do. I see too many people splitting cards just cause they have a pair. I've never seen a good reason to split 2's, 3's, 4's - ever. You're aren't as likely to pick up two good hands off those cards and you're more likely to pick up a single good hand. Do split in moderation. Never split 20's - ever. Also, don't double down on a blackjack - my friends still won't let me live down the one time I tried it.


User currently offlineNeilYYZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 734 times:

Quoting HPLASOps (Reply 17):

I don't think Vegas casinos are as leinient about using cards and other assistance devices as Indian casinos might be. Vegas likes to hold itself to a higher standard.

That's true, although all the Casino's that I go to in Ontario allow the cards, I hardly ever see people using them though, I personally have all the card memorized, it's just a pattern when you study it for a while.

Quoting HPLASOps (Reply 17):
You gotta use your gut instinct too.

Very true! There are times when certain color decks are better than others, in Ontario at the lower minimum tables they use an 8 deck shoe cutting approximatly one deck off the back end. At the higher minimum tables (100.00 per hand or more) they use a 6 deck shoe still cutting one off the back.

Quoting HPLASOps (Reply 17):
Splitting just might be the most overrated thing in blackjack. I only find in cases like 8's against a dealer 7, 9's against an 8, a situation where splitting will give you a better chance of winning than just taking a regular hit would do.

That's true, you only split when if you get a 10 you'll have higher than the dealers up card plus a 10.


User currently offlineLH477 From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 584 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 724 times:

I usually gamble expecting to lose. For me gambling is like entertainment. I once drove 1.5 hours to Niagara, and once I got there, won 500 in the first ten minutes, I didn't quit because it took me awhile to get there. So I kept gambling and by the end of night, I broke even. Had lots of fun though.


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User currently offlineBristolFlyer From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 2290 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 718 times:

Quoting KiwiinOz (Reply 11):
The industry average is about 90 cents of every dollar wagered is retained by the casino.

Casino Arizona has a major ad campaign on at the moment saying that they pay out $5.6m every day. Of course, they neglect to say how much they pay in (to their bank)! According to your industry average figure it must be around $50m. Clearly I'm in the wrong business.

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 14):
As I researched later it's called the Martingale (sp?) and it basically consists in betting colors only (49% chance of win),

This can work but you will end up betting large amounts of money in order to get a small payback. You regularly see a runs of up to 10 of the same colour, so you will be waging about $2,500 in order to win $5 - and you probably won't find any one table that will let you place as low as $5 and as high as $2500. And then of course there's the 2 green numbers, the house always wins on those. So darned cheeky!

BF



Fortune favours the brave
User currently offlineMolykote From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1340 posts, RR: 29
Reply 21, posted (8 years 3 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 710 times:

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 14):
Enter totally undeserved luck. Whose is this, said the casino guy. (I forgot what you call them). He pointed towards a small pile of chips parked on a number. Nobody seemed to respond, but there was one guy who had left the table seconds before, probably (wrongfully) thinking he had lost. So anyway, for SOME reason the casino guy thought it was mine (I really wasn't doing anything but standing there with shivering hands), so before I could even realized what had happened, I found in front of me a massive pile of colorful plastic. Which I *slowly* collected with both hands, then *slowly* proceded to the pay out place (forgot that name too), and gave it to the lady, hands still shaking. Then I *slowly* proceded to the Bus with my gf in it, mint green in my pocket, and when we counted it, it was an amount which covered *exactly* the Hard Rock Cafe dinner plus what I had lost. Wow, it was like a corny movie. I really took that as a sign from above, and that concludes my crazy gambling frenzy.

So it's basically another case of hippies being irresponsible and "free" while letting someone else pick up the tab? stirthepot 

I gambled once in my life. I deposited $50 in an online blackjack game and worked my way to ~$1200. I bet it all on one hand as I decided to knock out a good portion of a car loan with the would-be $2400 or discourage myself from gambling again. I lost my $1150 profit  Smile

Friends of mine who were watching be at the time criticized me for not at least pulling away my initial $50 deposit before betting my entire stack. My attitude was that I didn't play this game in order to win money - it was simply a form of amusement. I wrote off the $50 the instant I made the deposit and feel that I got my money's worth in amusement.



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