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Germans - The Biggest Whiners In The World?  
User currently offlineBirdwatching From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 3822 posts, RR: 51
Posted (8 years 5 months 4 hours ago) and read 2701 times:

Ok, before the flames start shooting in my direction:

I'm at least half German myself, you could even say I'm 100% German, I was born in Germany but I never lived in this country for a long time. I was raised in several countries in North and South America, went to high school in New York, and recently moved back to Deutschland where I'm in college now.

So after living in the US for a while, I'm walking through life with a "Hi! How are you doing? Thank you very much!" attitude, you know, this might be a little superficial but heck it keeps the spirit up.

Here in Germany the philosophy seems to be the other way around. All you have to do is walk through the city center and count the happy looking faces. Not too many. In fact hardly any. I've read that Freiburg is the sunniest city in Germany, with 320 sun days per year! Why, oh why, is nobody smiling?

It goes on and on. Go to the supermarket, to the post office, or simply ask a policeman (or even worse, a police woman) a question. Be prepared to have a two-syllable answer smacked at you, with a hint of "get lost". Ok, I can't blame the cops, they're dressed like broccoli.

Here comes the worst part. And that's all the whining! Living in Germany should be like living in paradise! You don't even have to work and you still get money thrown at you, you don't pay for college, you're health and retirement insured, you're sooooo taken care of! And still, we whine all the time about how everything is getting worse, labor is too expensive, labor is too cheap, too many immigrants, too few immigrants, gas too expensive, gas too cheap, government sucks, voters suck, TV showing too many naked chicks, TV showing too few naked chicks, and all that crap I don't even want to remember.

And we blame it all on the government, the Euro, the decay of families, the lack of initiative, the youth, drugs, the weather, the USA, immigration, the system in general, and what not.

The problem is, nobody really does anything. We just whine. We should blame it all on ourselves. For whining and not doing anything about it.

I've lived in andean South America for 8 years, and the people there are so positive-thinking. Mostly everybody is poor, nothing works out as planned, the government is corrupt, the 727s keep overshooting the runway, but everybody seems to be halfway optimistic.

Damn, look at me! All I do in this thread is whining, myself!

Oh, by the way, actually you can find friendly and smiling people in Germany. They work at the Doener place and prepare for you the best tasting lunch your 3E can buy! Sometimes I wonder what these people think about us. They must think we're crazy!

What do you think about this? How is the general atmosphere in your country?

I do understand if you say I'm exaggerating here, if you feel about this differently. But this is the way I experience it right now, and I think I do have a point here. Or don't I?

Optimistic greetings from Freiburg!
(which today has one of it's 35 annual rain days!)
Soren  santahat 


All the things you probably hate about travelling are warm reminders that I'm home
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User currently offlineLHMARK From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 7255 posts, RR: 46
Reply 1, posted (8 years 5 months 4 hours ago) and read 2689 times:

Soren, Gruss aus Crapchester, wo Mann die Sonne kaum sieht!

The Germans are always incredibly reserved around strangers, especially strangers who they perceive as foreigners. You have to share a couple of beers to loosen them up, then they're a fun bunch.

As for the whining, I think you'd find an equal amount in any rich society where folks have the luxury of griping about problems on a macro scale instead of being forced to struggle for survival on a more personal level. Lord knows we get plenty of it here in the USA, and I'm guilty of my share.



"Sympathy is something that shouldn't be bestowed on the Yankees. Apparently it angers them." - Bob Feller
User currently offlineWrighbrothers From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 1875 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (8 years 5 months 4 hours ago) and read 2672 times:

*whisper* it';s because they lost the war  Wink

I'm Just kidding, the Germans are usualy very nice and friendly people, nice country, as for your post, just remember, there's always someone who's better off than you, has a bigger house, has more money, has a high positioned job etc, it's life. The Gemrmans perhaps whine about their society because in their eyes it's bad in one way or another, yet you see it as a paradice.

As for my country, most people whine about how many imigrants we let in, the government and the national health service amoung lots of other things.
Mostly life for me is good though, I personaly have very little to complain about, other than the amount of homework I get, but that's life

You can't please everyone  Smile

Wrighbrothers



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User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8707 posts, RR: 42
Reply 3, posted (8 years 5 months 3 hours ago) and read 2644 times:

Well, if they're not used to real trouble, how are people supposed to know when it's appropriate to whine?  Wink

I think the reserve so typical of many Germans is partly due to honesty and directness. We don't really care how some complete stranger is doing, so why pretend we do by asking? Sure it'd be sad if that person had just lost a lot of money or been diagnosed with some bad disease, but still it wouldn't affect us personally and it would be wrong to claim otherwise. As for directness, most people have a no-nonsense approach to interacting with strangers - along the lines of "I tell you what I'd like, please be so kind as to tell me if I can get it. Oh, and good morning, too!"

But as soon as you have something of relevance in common with a German, he or she may very well end up being one of the most friendly and caring persons you've met in a while. Then you're not bullshitting around anymore, then you're conversing.

On the other hand, you do get a lot of  grumpy  gits in the public... "Pound of mincemeat!" seems to appear to be a perfectly fine way to begin - and end - a conversation to some of them. I usually make a point of greeting the one selling me stuff with a "please" and a "thank you", a smile and a "Bye!"

Lastly, you don't exactly live in a region I'd nominate for "most friendly of Germany". Don't forget it's Baden. That can be tolerated, but never respected! Big grin



Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
User currently offlineA332 From Canada, joined Feb 2005, 1644 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (8 years 5 months 3 hours ago) and read 2621 times:

Whatever... you obviously have never spent some time in Alberta, Canada... we ARE the world's biggest whiners.

Example: everyone and their dog is a conservative... Albertans have whined and complained bitterly and loudly for the past 12 years... a conservative government with an Albertan prime minister results, and now Albertans are bitching that they are not paying enough attention to Alberta's needs.

We're the richest province... everyone whines about the poor health care, poor education, poor infrastructure... but then whines about any prospect of an alternative government (ie: not conservative) taking over... then don't understand why the government does not do anything (when you're re-elected for 30+ years, you don't need to listen to the electorate.. they're stupid for keeping you in).

The simple minded farmers whine when there's too much sun... whine when there's not enough sun... whine when it's perfect... they WHINE the most!

Edmontonians whine because Calgary gets more funding (umm.. it's also the bigger city).... Calgarians whine because the weather always sucks...

Yeah... you have no idea about whiners unless you have spent at least a week or two here in lovely Alberta!

[Edited 2006-04-27 21:29:50]


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User currently offlineAviationMaster From Switzerland, joined Oct 1999, 2481 posts, RR: 34
Reply 5, posted (8 years 5 months 2 hours ago) and read 2592 times:

Quoting Birdwatching (Thread starter):
What do you think about this? How is the general atmosphere in your country?

The general atmosphere here in Switzerland is not all that different. A lot of whining going about eventhough we do not really have a reason to do so, especially when comparing our standard of life with the ones of Latin American countries.


User currently offlineWrenchBender From Canada, joined Feb 2004, 1779 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (8 years 5 months 1 hour ago) and read 2540 times:

Quoting A332 (Reply 4):
Calgarians whine because the weather always sucks...

The weather doesn't suck here, it blows. It's Winnipeg that sucks.

WrenchBender



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User currently offlinePelican From Germany, joined Apr 2004, 2531 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (8 years 5 months 1 hour ago) and read 2516 times:

Quoting Birdwatching (Thread starter):
The problem is, nobody really does anything. We just whine. We should blame it all on ourselves. For whining and not doing anything about it.

You've to get used to it, if you want to stay for a longer period. It's how we (most) Germans are. We like to whine about everything, but don't be fooled by it. Look at what we Germans have achieved although we're whining about everything. It's nothing new... But then "Frueher war sowieso alles besser, ich bin sicher die Leute waren frueher alle freundlicher, fleissiger, klueger, schoener usw."
Perhaps it comforts you to know there are regions in Germany were whining and being unfriendly is even a more important part of the lifestyle (Berlin and the surrounding area).

Quoting LHMARK (Reply 1):
The Germans are always incredibly reserved around strangers, especially strangers who they perceive as foreigners.

Hmm, then I've to be a stranger, too (and I was born and raised in Germany and I look like an average German, maybe I'm one ouch  )

pelican


User currently offlinePSA727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 974 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2472 times:

I would not call the Germans the biggest whiners.

They are very pragmatic, and if that means they are critical when
they see something is wrong, then so be it.

Would you rather they show their disgust like the French with
riots and lots of work stoppages?

Americans whine enough for most other countries combined, but don't
seem to get off their asses and do something about it.
Look at our low voter turn-out, as well as our response to the rise
in gas prices..."it costs me $70 bucks to fill-up my SUV now"

While I would agree that the Germans are not outwardly friendly
like the Dutch or Latin Americans, for example, they are very
friendly and hospitable once you get to know them better.

I would say that the majority of my really close friends are German,
and the majority of them are from the DDR.



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User currently offlineMax999 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1047 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2463 times:

Quoting Aloges (Reply 3):
But as soon as you have something of relevance in common with a German, he or she may very well end up being one of the most friendly and caring persons you've met in a while. Then you're not bullshitting around anymore, then you're conversing.

I totally agree and I experienced this first hand. A rather young and handsome scholar from Germany (he's currently studying in the US) came to our office to study our business practices. He interviewed me for about an hour on what my work. We found out we had a lot in common and then we chatted for at least another hour after the interview.



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User currently offlineGreasespot From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 3084 posts, RR: 20
Reply 10, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2460 times:

Hey just say something negative about GWBJunior and see how the republicans in here whine.....are they all german as well?

GS



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User currently offlineManuCH From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 3011 posts, RR: 46
Reply 11, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2426 times:
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Quoting AviationMaster (Reply 5):
The general atmosphere here in Switzerland is not all that different.

I can second that. And everyone is always blaming their problems to the government. When analyzing these grumpy arguments, it always boils down to "I'm broke because I didn't save up enough money to pay my taxes", which isn't the government's fault at all...

-Manuel



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User currently offlineUTA_flyinghigh From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 6495 posts, RR: 50
Reply 12, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2416 times:

I don't agree at all.
It is well known we French are the worst whiners of the whole planet. I even think we invented the concept of whining as it already was a common ocurrence in Gaul  Silly

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User currently offlineKiwiinOz From New Zealand, joined Oct 2005, 2165 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2406 times:

It's not even a contest. The English are by far the biggest whiners in the world. Anything is on the agenda. Weather, royalty, cricket umpires, shit food, police brutality, police indifference, tube strikes, fuel costs, crap rugby teams, David Beckham's foot, those snooty French bastards, those brash Americans, those uncivilised colonials with the shitty nice weather, Princess Diana's memorial fountain, the Gherkin. It never ends.

And it's more prevalent with the men, which is why us windswept, interesting and light hearted antipodeans have women falling at our feet when we travel there.

The German's, on the other just need to be fed about 4 pints of lager and they're happy about everything.


User currently onlineTheSonntag From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 3596 posts, RR: 29
Reply 14, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2396 times:

I have to agree with you. Sometimes when I read the newspapers, I get the impression that our society is only a step away from Angola, Burkina Farso or other development countries... Which, of course, is completely rediculous.

We still have the one of the best infrastructures worldwide, and generally the situation is not as bad as many would think. The problem is just that the youth has to pay the price for lazy Harz 4 people. We must get rid of layoff protection and everybody must realise that it isn't the state, but himself who is responsible for his life. This does not mean at all I want a society like it is in the US, I think it is good we have public health services and so on. But everybody should focus on himself again before whining!


User currently offlineAlphafloor From Chile, joined Jun 2004, 1277 posts, RR: 39
Reply 15, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2345 times:

Quoting ManuCH (Reply 11):
Quoting AviationMaster (Reply 5):
The general atmosphere here in Switzerland is not all that different.

I can second that. And everyone is always blaming their problems to the government. When analyzing these grumpy arguments, it always boils down to "I'm broke because I didn't save up enough money to pay my taxes", which isn't the government's fault at all...

I third that.

Quoting Birdwatching (Thread starter):
Here in Germany the philosophy seems to be the other way around. All you have to do is walk through the city center and count the happy looking faces.

When I'm back holydays from South America and jump into a bus, people seems to be all sick or unnhappy... it takes me a few weeks to accomodate from this atmosphere, I guess I become like everybody here.

Alejandro



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User currently offlineLH459 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 886 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2286 times:

Quoting Aloges (Reply 3):
Lastly, you don't exactly live in a region I'd nominate for "most friendly of Germany". Don't forget it's Baden

I second this. I spent quite a bit of time in Loerrach as a boy, and there was definitely no shortage of  grumpy  people about. Still, on the plus side, I think the food in Baden is the best in Germany!



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User currently onlineTheSonntag From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 3596 posts, RR: 29
Reply 17, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2267 times:

Quoting LH459 (Reply 16):
I second this. I spent quite a bit of time in Loerrach as a boy, and there was definitely no shortage of grumpy people about. Still, on the plus side, I think the food in Baden is the best in Germany!

I think you are right, people in the south have their own way of behaviour... However, they also do live in the most beautiful part of Germany...

I was in Freiburg last week, so beautiful. A friend of mine did an internship in L�rrach, he also noticed lots of differences to Cologne.

If you want to see happy people in Germany, go to cologne when there is "Karneval" in February. You will not find so many drunk crazy people anywhere else  Wink


User currently offlineDeltaDC9 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 2844 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2259 times:

Quoting Birdwatching (Thread starter):
What do you think about this? How is the general atmosphere in your country?

I honestly don't think that anyone in the world whines more than the people in this country. We find things to whine about when there is nothing wrong. Unemployment is low but no one can suposedly find a job, economy is bad but the Dow and GNP growth is at record highs but no one notices, try to change immigration policy and bitch before there is a bill, complain about gas prices while you are the only one in the car on the way to work....I could go on....



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User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 19, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2225 times:

Quoting Birdwatching (Thread starter):
We should blame it all on ourselves

THIS exactly is a major problem. That somebody ought to be blamed. Why not analysing problems and search for solutions. Simply accept that problems can occur ? Why tracing for a scapegoat ? why always blaming somebody else or yourself ?

Quoting AviationMaster (Reply 5):
The general atmosphere here in Switzerland is not all that different.

not at all different !

Quoting UTA_flyinghigh (Reply 12):
we French are the worst whiners of the whole planet.

and why are the French always so eager always to be on top ? THAT is what the French are worst in


User currently offlineLH459 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 886 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2211 times:

Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 17):
However, they also do live in the most beautiful part of Germany...

Kein Widerspruch! Also, they produce very nice wines there.  champagne  When I was a boy, Baden seemed like paradise (in spite of the  grumpy  people)!



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User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8272 posts, RR: 23
Reply 21, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2204 times:

I was in Germany last month and I think they're damn near the nicest people I've ever met. Some of the older generation struck me as reserved and even alittle pushy in an old fashioned way. For example, I was on the S-bahn with my feet resting beside the seat across from me and a lady, probably in her 70s, stopped in her tracks, turned around, and gave me a really mean scowl. I don't think you could do that in this country without getting a "what the hell are you looking at, grandma!?"


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User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12110 posts, RR: 48
Reply 22, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2202 times:
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Quoting Aloges (Reply 3):
But as soon as you have something of relevance in common with a German, he or she may very well end up being one of the most friendly and caring persons you've met in a while. Then you're not bullshitting around anymore, then you're conversing.



Quoting PSA727 (Reply 8):
While I would agree that the Germans are not outwardly friendly
like the Dutch or Latin Americans, for example, they are very
friendly and hospitable once you get to know them better.

I have to agree with the above statements. Though I use to work for a small German Company and to the day that was the best work experience I have ever had. I miss it so much.



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User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 23, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2195 times:

Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 17):
Freiburg last week, so beautiful

it really is a beautiful town, just rivalled by Colmar on the other side of the Rhine

Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 17):
differences to Cologne.

visited Cologne once and found it to be a beautiful and really nice city, I really liked it

Quoting LH459 (Reply 20):
very nice wines

yes, the vineyards from north of Loerrach upto the Kaiserstuhl-area just as those between Meersburg and Friedrichshafen north of the Lake of Constance produce excellent wines. For outsiders I recommend the Spaetburgunder Weissherbst, which in short in other areas of the world might be simply called Rosé, but it really is classy


User currently onlineTheSonntag From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 3596 posts, RR: 29
Reply 24, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2191 times:

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 23):
, just rivalled by Colmar on the other side of the Rhine

I agree 100%... When we went back, we took my car to Colmar and Strasbourg... So nice...

One sidenote, btw... Germans complain about everything. I went to Freiburg with two friends from slovakia, they were more than impressed by our road network, for example... I never understand why nobody in Germany focuses on the positive sides of our country, like great infrastructure, a lot of qualified people and cheap prices (it is much cheaper than the UK, for example)...


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