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Global Marijuana March?  
User currently offlineFfis34 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 318 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1374 times:

is this really such a thing...if so where is it....is it to make it legal or fight against it....im all for it if its to get it legalized...


brad


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User currently offlineNeilYYZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1362 times:

If there is one, I would think that it would be to make it legal, although I personally think that's a ridiculous idea. Next they'll be the march to legalize black tar heroin, that'll be really good for everybody.

User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1355 times:

Not sure about the March but all drugs should be legalized. We spend way too much time and money fighting these dealers and all this other crap. If someone is stupid enough to kill themselves on it too bad. I mean cigarettes do the same thing just over a longer period of time so what is the difference?

User currently offlineNeilYYZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1346 times:

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 2):
Not sure about the March but all drugs should be legalized. We spend way too much time and money fighting these dealers and all this other crap. If someone is stupid enough to kill themselves on it too bad. I mean cigarettes do the same thing just over a longer period of time so what is the difference?

Thanks for making me laugh! I'll let it be your kids to try the drugs first ok? I mean, if they're legal kids will experiment, they're going to push the boundaries as far as they can, every kid tries a smoke when they're young because it's something that they've been told is bad for them. And then a bit later they try a little marijuana because their older friends have heard that it's fun and won't get them into trouble. Before you know it, instead of kids being rebellious and trying marijuana they try some crack or heroin. Drugs should be 100% illegal with very stiff penalties, just because your old enough now to know that drugs are going to kill you and your wallet, doesn't mean that a 15 year old is. And once they get into that kind of crap, very few people get out of it, unless they die of course. If your a smoker, smoke, but if you started smoking after about 1975 - 1980 when they definitavely proved that it was killing people, you should have to pay for your own healthcare.


User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1339 times:

Quoting NeilYYZ (Reply 3):
if they're legal kids will experiment

Oh since it's illegal now kids don't experiment?  crazy 

Quoting NeilYYZ (Reply 3):
they're going to push the boundaries as far as they can,

They are not doing that now?  confused 

Quoting NeilYYZ (Reply 3):
instead of kids being rebellious and trying marijuana they try some crack or heroin

Unless I have missed something everything you are describing is happening anyway. Legal or not. Kid's try drugs because of peer pressure, not because it is illegal. I mean hell murder is illegal but you won't see me trying it just because it is wrong for me to do so. The answer is to legalize it. Period.


User currently offlineNeilYYZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1335 times:

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 4):

Oh since it's illegal now kids don't experiment?

They do.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 4):
They are not doing that now?

They are.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 4):
Unless I have missed something everything you are describing is happening anyway. Legal or not. Kid's try drugs because of peer pressure, not because it is illegal. I mean hell murder is illegal but you won't see me trying it just because it is wrong for me to do so. The answer is to legalize it. Period.

It's an assinine idea to legalize all drugs, don't make it any easier for kids to make mistakes. Sure kids want to experiment, but presently they would have a hard time getting some heroin in grade 8, not so if it were legal. Good parenting and all, the rates of drug use will skyrocket if they're selling it in the schools. You say it costs too much money now, just wait until every 20th person shows up at the hospital with an OD, you don't think that's going to run a pretty nice bill.


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 6, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1314 times:

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 2):
Not sure about the March but all drugs should be legalized. We spend way too much time and money fighting these dealers and all this other crap. If someone is stupid enough to kill themselves on it too bad. I mean cigarettes do the same thing just over a longer period of time so what is the difference?

maybe you need to be in the medical profession...you'll then realise how bad drugs (even marijuana) can be.....

physically, emotionally, intellectually, financially, as well as socially.......drugs affect (and destroy) thousands (if not millions) of people and families...

not too endorsing now innit?



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User currently offlineSATX From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2840 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1313 times:

Drugs exist to help weed out the weak-minded fools among us. Let 'em get on with it. The sooner they overdose the better. We didn't need 'em anyway.  Big grin


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User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1308 times:

Quoting SATX (Reply 7):
The sooner they overdose the better.

I will overdose on marijuana now.  Silly

Patrick


User currently offlineGunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3493 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1292 times:

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 8):
I will overdose on marijuana now.

As will I.  sarcastic 

NeilYYZ: You seem to think that everyone who uses illegal drugs ruins their life by becoming addicted to them. That clearly isn't the case with alcohol and tobacco, both of which are perfectly legal in most areas and enjoyed resposibly by the majority of their users. Sure, they're harmful, but what I put in my body is my choice and no concern of yours. Legalization of illegal drugs would reduce violent crime by eradicating the underground drug trade, generate massive amounts of revenues through "sin" taxes (as it would likely be distributed and regulated by the government), and save tax payers billions of dollars by removing non-violent drug offenders from our overcrowded prison system. People who use drugs are going to use them whether they're legal or not, it's time to stop wasting money on an unwinnable war on drugs and start taking a progressive approach to combating drug problems. Responsible drug users are no different than responsible alcohol users, and chronic drug users are no different than chronic alcohol users. Instead of wasting money trying to keep drugs off the street, why not use funds to provide drug education and rehabilitation services? I believe your country is doing just that in many areas, and has been very successful in doing so. The majority of the problems we have because of drugs (crime, prison overcrowding, etc.) are the result of their prohibition, not their use.



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User currently offlineCsavel From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1360 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1277 times:

Sticking strictly to marijuana, it is idiotic, and utterly indefensible by medicine, science, or law enforcement to keep it illegal. It should be immediately legal for adults subject to the same restrictions as alcohol is now.

The arguments that it is a gateway drug is facile and intellectually lazy. Nobody really believes it.

Most Americans have tried pot, most aren't drooling drug addicts.

Even if a drug addict says he started on pot and went on to selling self to support their crack habit,
you do not know whether or not they would have done it if there was no such thing as marijuana I.E. it isn't the marijuana that did it, it is their addictive personalities. And furthermore, people don't ask since it isn't illegal but I'd bet that every addict who says he started with pot really started with cigarettes and alcohol, but since they are legal those items aren't considered.
I feel bad about people in chains to drugs, just like I feel bad about alcoholics, but because some have an addiction problem for whatever reason, is no reason to criminalize millions of people.

We tried that in the US with prohibition in the twenties. We got corruption, lack of respect for the law since everyone was breaking it, and the rise of organized crime.

Now today drug prohibition breeds corruption, lack of respect for the law, and also a police/prison industrial complex, where residents of poor towns in my state (New York) and the prison guard union lobby against repeal of tough drug laws, not for legitimate law enforcement reasons, but FOR JOBS!! In other words, because Dannemora (town upstate with a big prison) has a piss poor economy, and because prison guards have a powerful union, we must create so-called criminals so we can provide jobs for people. How fucked-up is that?

In addition by making marijuana illegal, young people who may have addictive tendancies will be MORE LIKELY to have them realized. Why? Instead of going to the local store for a joint, little rebel goes to the local drug dealer, who may introduce little rebel to some special product.

I am in favor of legalizing all drugs but making people responsible for the actions. I will admit that a reasonable argument can be made for keeping hard drugs illegal, but this hysterical demonization of pot and the "gateway drug" urban legend, GIVE ME A BREAK!!

Sorry for being angry but I hvae reasons (see below).
I have a close friend who is a regular pot smoker, who is the most gentle man and who never hurt a fly who now has his life ruined because he was a "dangerous drug dealer!" yeah he's certainly dangerous when he's high - if you're a box of cookies. Now his life is ruined, he has a record, try getting work! He's bankrupt and emotionally destroyed. Has to pee in a cup, go to "substance abuse" counseling where he tells me he makes stuff up about a miserable child hood and how he was powerless against pot because he could go to jail if he isn't cooperative.

Another friend is in Sloan-Kettering in New York. He's 6'3'' and weighs 120 because the cancer ravages him. The doctors would love to let him smoke some weed so he'd have an appetite and be strong enough for chemo. EVERY DOCTOR at Sloan knows it helps with appetite, but they are afraid of being ruined. So my friend is in Sloan Kettering dying. I'm seripously thinking of how I can sneak some in and get him to smoke. So all you drug warriers in this forum, until you walk a mile in my friends' moccasins, you simply don't know what you are talking about.

[edited to tone it down a bit]

[Edited 2006-04-28 02:52:35]

[Edited 2006-04-28 02:55:48]


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User currently offlineCaptainJon From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1276 times:

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 9):
As will I. sarcastic

NeilYYZ: You seem to think that everyone who uses illegal drugs ruins their life by becoming addicted to them. That clearly isn't the case with alcohol and tobacco, both of which are perfectly legal in most areas and enjoyed resposibly by the majority of their users. Sure, they're harmful, but what I put in my body is my choice and no concern of yours. Legalization of illegal drugs would reduce violent crime by eradicating the underground drug trade, generate massive amounts of revenues through "sin" taxes (as it would likely be distributed and regulated by the government), and save tax payers billions of dollars by removing non-violent drug offenders from our overcrowded prison system. People who use drugs are going to use them whether they're legal or not, it's time to stop wasting money on an unwinnable war on drugs and start taking a progressive approach to combating drug problems. Responsible drug users are no different than responsible alcohol users, and chronic drug users are no different than chronic alcohol users. Instead of wasting money trying to keep drugs off the street, why not use funds to provide drug education and rehabilitation services? I believe your country is doing just that in many areas, and has been very successful in doing so. The majority of the problems we have because of drugs (crime, prison overcrowding, etc.) are the result of their prohibition, not their use.

i 100% agree. if it is regulated then we know its pure as well. nothing laced and age controlled. violent crimes will go down, i agree totally. i believe long ago, we had a surgeon general that was sacked for suggesting this idea..


User currently offlineNeilYYZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1266 times:

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 9):
NeilYYZ: You seem to think that everyone who uses illegal drugs ruins their life by becoming addicted to them. That clearly isn't the case with alcohol and tobacco, both of which are perfectly legal in most areas and enjoyed resposibly by the majority of their users. Sure, they're harmful, but what I put in my body is my choice and no concern of yours.

I agree, I could care less what you do with your body, I don't want any future kids that I may have to even have the oppertunity to try them. Or anyone else in my family. We could cut down on the crime that goes along with drugs if we were to just make the penalties extremely harsh. Yes, it would cost money to incarcerate all those people, but hospitals won't have to deal with idiots that overdose or get a laced batch.

Quoting Csavel (Reply 10):
I have a close friend who is a regular pot smoker, who is the most gentle man and who never hurt a fly who now has his life ruined because he was a "dangerous drug dealer!" yeah he's certainly dangerous when he's high - if you're a box of cookies. Now his life is ruined, he has a record, try getting work! He's bankrupt and emotionally destroyed. Has to pee in a cup, go to "substance abuse" counseling where he tells me he makes stuff up about a miserable child hood and how he was powerless against pot because he could go to jail if he isn't cooperative.

Oh well, when you sell illegal substances to people, you know what might be coming your way. I'd count myself lucky if I only got to go to therapy for dealing drugs, I don't care if you deal cigarettes to young kids, or weed to people, it's illegal, it's not good for you, and jail is appropriate in my opinion.


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 13, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1263 times:

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 9):
NeilYYZ: You seem to think that everyone who uses illegal drugs ruins their life by becoming addicted to them

no..but tens of thousands do..and you seem to fail to see that...

"# Of the 7.1 million Americans classified with dependence on or abuse of illicit drugs, 4.3 million were dependent on or abused marijuana. This represents 1.8 percent of the total population aged 12 or older and 60.3 percent of all those classified with illicit drug dependence or abuse.
# Among past year users of heroin in 2002, 53.0 percent (0.2 million) were classified with dependence on or abuse of heroin. Among past year users of cocaine, 25.2 percent (1.5 million) were classified with dependence on or abuse of cocaine. Among past year users of marijuana, 16.7 percent (4.3 million) were classified with dependence on or abuse of marijuana"*

soure:U.S. Department of Health and Human Services


not to mention..

"n 2002 the SAMHSA Drug Abuse Warning Network (DAWN) reported 670,307 drug-related visits in hospital emergency departments nationwide, an increase from the 518,880 reported in 1994. "*

*source: U.S. Department of Justice

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 9):
Sure, they're harmful, but what I put in my body is my choice and no concern of yours.

wrong.....did you know suicide is illegal?

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 9):
People who use drugs are going to use them whether they're legal or not

wrong again......illegality is a good deterrent...I know many who never have used drugs because of it....

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 9):
Responsible drug users are no different than responsible alcohol users, and chronic drug users are no different than chronic alcohol users.

wrong again.......certain drugs such as crack, etc. are addictive after one or two uses...where as alcohol, which is drunk by millions of people can be consumed in moderation without setting an addiction...

Quoting Csavel (Reply 10):
Sticking strictly to marijuana, it is idiotic, and utterly indefensible by medicine, science, or law enforcement to keep it illegal

say what  confused 

do you people actually do any research before opening your gobs???

* About 12.5 % of persons aged 18 or older who reported lifetime marijuana use were classified as having a serious mental illness (SMI) in the past year.

* Adults who first used marijuana before age 12 (21%) were twice as likely as adults who first used marijuana at age 18 or older (10.5%) to be classified as having a serious mental illness in the past year.

SMI (Serious Mental Disorder) was highly correlated with substance dependence or abuse. Among adults with SMI in 2002, 23.2 percent were dependent on or abused alcohol or illicit drugs, while the rate among adults without SMI was only 8.2 percent. Adults with SMI were more likely than those without SMI to be dependent on or abuse illicit drugs (9.6 vs. 2.1 percent) and more likely to be dependent on or abuse alcohol (18.0 vs. 7.0 percent)

source:U.S. Department of Health and Human Services


these are some basic numbers...the effect of drugs on society is not calculable...



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User currently offlineUSAFHummer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 53
Reply 14, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1260 times:



Legalize it already!

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Boulder, Colorado



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User currently offlineGunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3493 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1259 times:

Quoting NeilYYZ (Reply 12):
I agree, I could care less what you do with your body, I don't want any future kids that I may have to even have the oppertunity to try them. Or anyone else in my family. We could cut down on the crime that goes along with drugs if we were to just make the penalties extremely harsh. Yes, it would cost money to incarcerate all those people, but hospitals won't have to deal with idiots that overdose or get a laced batch.

I'm not talking about kids, I'm talking about responsible adults (18+). Granted, kids are curious, and many are going to try drugs whether they are legal or not, just as they try alcohol and cigarettes now despite age restrictions. The key is to preventing them from trying drugs is to educate them about the negative effects they can have and answer any of their questions, including any about your own drug use or lack therof. That said, I can almost guarantee you that any future kids of yours will probably end up trying marijuana at some point in their lives. The vast majority of people my age that I know have, even though most of us were raised with drug education programs like D.A.R.E., anti-drug after-school specials featuring our favorite cartoon characters, and strict disciplinary policies regarding drugs in our schools. Preps, jocks, punks, nerds, honors kids...it makes no difference what high school clique they came from, the majority of them have smoked a J or two in their day, and the majority of them are doing just fine as succesful college students, reliable employees, reliable friends, soldiers in Iraq/Afghanistan, and just about any other path of life you can go down after high school. Yes, there are some burnouts who need help, but they're easily in the minority. Recreational consumption of drugs like marijuana is no more harmful than an occassional night of drinking, not exercising or eating at McDonalds.

I'm not trying to come down on anyone who doesn't want their kid trying marijuana, I'm just saying that the vast majority of people my age (the majority of whom have great parents who did an admirable job of raising them as upstanding citizens of society) have tried marijuana. Furthermore, very few of them have become dependent on it, and even fewer have moved on to harder drugs. Naturally, it's still a parent's right to lay down the law with regards to what kind of behavior will be tolerated under their roof, and while I don't think that telling your kid not to smoke pot "or else" is going to keep them from trying it once or twice, I am inclined to say that those sorts of ground rules are effective when it comes to preventing them from becoming problem users. I don't claim to be an expert on parenting, drug use or anything like that, I'm just speaking from personal experience and observation.



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User currently offlineGunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3493 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1253 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 13):
no..but tens of thousands do..and you seem to fail to see that...

Actually, I do see that. They're wrong. I acknowledge that there is a problem with drug addiction in this country, but I refute the notion that everyone who tries a drug is going to become addicted to it. Virtually everyone I know (this encompasses people from many walks of lives) have tried illegal drugs, and very, very few have developed addictions.

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 13):

"# Of the 7.1 million Americans classified with dependence on or abuse of illicit drugs, 4.3 million were dependent on or abused marijuana. This represents 1.8 percent of the total population aged 12 or older and 60.3 percent of all those classified with illicit drug dependence or abuse.

Yes, but millions more Americans who use marijuana are NOT dependent on the drug. Furthermore, 18 million Americans are alcoholics, and 44.5 million are addicted to cigarettes. I believe both of those are legal.

Furthermore, you can't overdose on marijuana. There are certainly negative health affects similar to those caused by tobacco smoke, but you can't stone yourself to death.

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 13):
wrong.....did you know suicide is illegal?

Yes. I'm not sure what your point here is...

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 13):
wrong again......illegality is a good deterrent...I know many who never have used drugs because of it....

If illegality is a good deterant, why have at least 97 million (32%) of Americans tried marijuana? These are fairly conservative numbers from the U.S. Department of Health, I suspect the percentage is much higher.

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 13):

wrong again.......certain drugs such as crack, etc. are addictive after one or two uses...where as alcohol, which is drunk by millions of people can be consumed in moderation without setting an addiction...

And yet there are millions more Americans addicted to alcohol than all illegal drugs combined.

Perhaps you'd care to demonstrate the devastating effects that legal drugs have had on the Netherlands?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_policy_of_the_Netherlands

"Despite the legalization of soft drugs, use of cannabis in the Netherlands is not higher than most other countries in Western Europe: 9.7% of young males consume cannabis at least once a month, which rates the Netherlands 7th in the EU after Cyprus (23.3%), Spain (16.4%), United Kingdom (15.8%), France (13.2%), Italy (10.9%) and Germany (9.9%).

Some critics say that the legalization of soft drugs often leads to quicker consuming of harddrugs. Yet, the percentage of the population which ever consumed cocaine in the Netherlands is still lower than that of the United Kingdom, Spain and Italy. The situation is similar for other hard drugs."

[Edited 2006-04-28 04:05:44]


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User currently offlineRolfen From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 1796 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1236 times:

Quoting Ffis34 (Thread starter):
is this really such a thing...if so where is it....is it to make it legal or fight against it....im all for it if its to get it legalized...

Well the main problem with that is that you will not want to do a lot of marching after smoking marijuana  Wink



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User currently offlineCsavel From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1360 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1232 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 13):
* About 12.5 % of persons aged 18 or older who reported lifetime marijuana use were classified as having a serious mental illness (SMI) in the past year.

What percentage of persons aged 18 or older who did not report lifetime marijuana use were classified as having a SMI in the past year?
I think I shall go look it up and report back.

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 13):
* Adults who first used marijuana before age 12 (21%) were twice as likely as adults who first used marijuana at age 18 or older (10.5%) to be classified as having a serious mental illness in the past year.

I'm not surprised! Correlation in this case does not mean causality. What I'm saying is that this proves nothing about the dangers of drugs, rather it seems more of a clarion call to get good mental health care even to pre-teens.
To wit. Adults who looked at porn at age 12 were probably more likely to have an SMI. Adults who were having sex at age 12 were more likely of having an SMI. And frankly, a 12 year old who is sneaking pot, or cigarettes, or alcohol, already has some serious issues. Beaver Cleaver isn't smoking a big spliff at 12. To use those stats as proof of the inherent evils and dangers of marijuana is disingenuous and frankly, mendacious.

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 13):
*SMI (Serious Mental Disorder) was highly correlated with substance dependence or abuse. Among adults with SMI in 2002, 23.2 percent were dependent on or abused alcohol or illicit drugs, while the rate among adults without SMI was only 8.2 percent. Adults with SMI were more likely than those without SMI to be dependent on or abuse illicit drugs (9.6 vs. 2.1 percent) and more likely to be dependent on or abuse alcohol (18.0 vs. 7.0 percent)

Again, correlation doesn't equate to causality, and since alcohol and all illicit drugs are lumed together, and my post which you dismissed was related strictly to marijuana, I'm not sure what you are trying to prove.

A little statistics thrown about is a most dangerous thing. Another example is when drug warriors quote the numbers of persons seeking substance abuse help for marijuana. While I am sure thare are many, DHS counts ANYONE who is forced by parents or courts to get substance abuse treatment as seeking it.
Technically true, but it certainly doesn't mean what a layperson thinks it means.


Quoting NeilYYZ (Reply 12):
Oh well, when you sell illegal substances to people, you know what might be coming your way. I'd count myself lucky if I only got to go to therapy for dealing drugs, I don't care if you deal cigarettes to young kids, or weed to people, it's illegal, it's not good for you, and jail is appropriate in my opinion.

Sounds like flame bait. Oh well, a lot of that goes on here.



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User currently offlineGunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3493 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1230 times:

Quoting NeilYYZ (Reply 12):
I don't care if you deal cigarettes to young kids, or weed to people, it's illegal, it's not good for you, and jail is appropriate in my opinion.

B.S! There are plenty of things in this country that are perfectly legal and not good for you. Heart disease kills countless droves more people than illegal drugs do; should we make fast food illegal? Howabout red meat?

Almost all of us enjoy food that isn't good for our bodies, and I'm willing to bet that none of us would support the government banning them based on the fact that they aren't good for us. Why? Because what goes into our bodies is none of their damned business! The same logic holds true for alcohol, tobacco and drugs, although individuals should be held accountable for their actions while under the influence of said substances.



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User currently offlineNeilYYZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1210 times:

Quoting Csavel (Reply 18):

Sounds like flame bait. Oh well, a lot of that goes on here.

Not flame bait at all. That's the way I feel, I had a friend land in the state sponsored hotel for dealing marijuana, I have not talked to him since, I don't want to be associated with those types of people. It is illegal, and saying that we should legalize them is pointless, it will just never happen! People can say that marijuana is not that bad, okay, in the long run, maybe it's not, but it still alters your state of mind so I sure as hell don't want to be on the road with people that are high. I also don't want to get caught up in some bust because my friend is dealing. Whether people agree with it or not, breaking the law leads to being punished, and dealing marijuana is breaking the law.

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 19):
B.S! There are plenty of things in this country that are perfectly legal and not good for you. Heart disease kills countless droves more people than illegal drugs do; should we make fast food illegal? Howabout red meat?

That's just a bad example. How can you compare drugs, which leave people on the street, homeless, junkies stealing for money for their next fix to people eating red meat. Red meat never left anyone homeless, yes, we all do things that are bad for us, but most of us don't and shouldn't do things that could leave us on the street. Everyone says that they're just experimenting, sure, until you find yourself addicted and homeless or even worse dead in some ally.


User currently offlineGunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3493 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days ago) and read 1203 times:

Quoting NeilYYZ (Reply 20):
That's just a bad example. How can you compare drugs, which leave people on the street, homeless, junkies stealing for money for their next fix to people eating red meat. Red meat never left anyone homeless, yes, we all do things that are bad for us, but most of us don't and shouldn't do things that could leave us on the street. Everyone says that they're just experimenting, sure, until you find yourself addicted and homeless or even worse dead in some ally.

Once again, you're talking about a minority of users. Contrary to what D.A.R.E. told me in elementary school, most people who use drugs aren't going to end up as homeless criminals. I think you'd be surprised at how many productive members of society are responsible drug users.

I'm not saying your points aren't legitimate. Drug addiction is certainly a serious problem that needs to be addressed, but you seem to think that everyone who uses drugs is going to end up in a gutter somewhere. This simply isn't the case. Alcoholism is a much more serious problem in North America than drug abuse, do you think that alcohol should be banned too? Personally, I don't differentiate much between the two...the majority of the people who use each substance do so in a responsible manner.



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User currently offlineNeilYYZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days ago) and read 1200 times:

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 21):
Once again, you're talking about a minority of users. Contrary to what D.A.R.E. told me in elementary school, most people who use drugs aren't going to end up as homeless criminals. I think you'd be surprised at how many productive members of society are responsible drug users.

I'm not saying your points aren't legitimate. Drug addiction is certainly a serious problem that needs to be addressed, but you seem to think that everyone who uses drugs is going to end up in a gutter somewhere. This simply isn't the case. Alcoholism is a much more serious problem in North America than drug abuse, do you think that alcohol should be banned too? Personally, I don't differentiate much between the two...the majority of the people who use each substance do so in a responsible manner.

I'll go along with the notion that there are people who use drugs that don't get addicted. However, if this is the case, and I'm sure it is, I really don't know firsthand, I've stayed away from drugs my whole life (not alcohol though, but drugs that people commonly relate with the word), do you not think that by legalizing it and making it more accessable it will increase the addiction rate. I'm not saying that a greater percentage of people that use will get addicted, rather that the numbers of people using will increase and thus, the number of addicted users will increase in some sort type of linear fashion. I see people doing drugs on an almost daily basis in Toronto behind buildings, in between dumpsters and the like, it's not the type of situation that anyone should be in, and that's why I think that making them illegal is the only way to stop it.

On a little side note, I did work at a club last year as a doorman, we got a call on the radio that a girl had OD'd in the bathroom, we ran up and got her outside where the paramedics were already waiting, but she was having seizure after seizure, foaming at the mouth, garbage like that. I went to the hospital with the manager of the club, she died about an hour later, it was a violent and unnecessary death. If you legalize drugs you're just asking for more cases like this, people trying it for the first time, not knowing what they're doing and ending up in a really bad spot.


User currently offlineRolfen From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 1796 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1187 times:

I dont think it's the gouvernment's job to keep people from messing up their own lives.


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User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1183 times:

Quoting Rolfen (Reply 23):
I dont think it's the gouvernment's job to keep people from messing up their own lives.

Problem is, when people like stoners start messing up their lives, they tend to take others down with them...


25 Csavel : As do alcoholics, who mess up their families. As do compulsive overeaters, as do compulsive gamblers, as do smokers when they get lung cancer. None o
26 KROC : Why should it? All it is, is one more mind altering substance out there than we have to deal with. I don't want some burn out crashing into my car be
27 Post contains links and images Jacobin777 : ok..so you are going to against all the data and statistics shown.....and no one is saying that "everyone" who tries drugs becomes addicted..but if d
28 DLPMMM : Dude, I was going to go to the marijuana march but then ah...ah....ah...where was I?... oh Yea!..I was going to...hee hee hee, you gonna eat that doug
29 Gunsontheroof : I don't see anything there that's worse than anything legal drugs (alcohol, nicotine) are going to do to you with regular use. Besides, I know plenty
30 Dahawaiian : Will some of you people quit it with the "its all about the kids" crap for once? This is the approach that anti-marijuana drug warriors use all the ti
31 Post contains images Sabena332 : Truer words were never spoken (or posted)! It is absolutely not dangerous when you consume it in moderation. It is actually better than alcohol becau
32 Post contains images Nitrohelper : The only time I say NO to pot is when they ask "have you had enough?" Don't smoke pot when you're stoned, because you don't get higher & your stash ge
33 KROC : If people need to smoke weed to relax, then they're pathetic. If you need mind altering drugs to have a good time. To relax. To cope with life, then
34 Sabena332 : Do you think the same about people who drink a beer at home after work? Patrick
35 KROC : If they need to relax, cope, or have a good time, then yes.
36 Post contains images Jacobin777 : my bad the effects marjiuana versus that of a couple of beers is large.. once again, you just don't want to accept the truth of what marijuana does..
37 Sabena332 : I know what it is doing because I smoke it since 12 years with a few longer or shorter breaks in between. Not wrong! Let's see: Not true, I made an a
38 KROC : Speaking of Rubbish. Maybe I should tell my boss "Hang on a sec boss, I gotta smoke this joint so I can be creative for the meeting". Thats rubbish.
39 Sabena332 : Yes, it is rubbish, alcohol and drugs at work don't fit together. As I wrote, I smoke it only in the evening when I am at home. Sure, there are many
40 KROC : Frying hippie lettuce isn't as bad as doing lines, or shooting H, but lets face it. The facts are there about all the ill effects it can and will pro
41 Sabena332 : Yes, when you overdo it. Patrick
42 KROC : Right, a daily basis is over doing it... A few times a week is over doing it... The negative effects don't kick in at a certain point...
43 Sabena332 : How can you know that smoking it on a daily basis is overdoing it? Patrick
44 KROC : Have a conversation with a daily user after a couple years and you can tell.
45 Post contains images Aero145 : When I read the title of this thread, I just couldn't belive you not posting here. And I was correct! Will you ever make a non-post on a marijuana th
46 Post contains images Nitrohelper : This is not a source that I would expect to be independent or credible. Some people experiment with drugs ,but for the past 30+ years I've been doing
47 Jafa39 : As usual, the medical profession and those who have bothered to do the research are being flamed by the pot-heads and weak-willed no-bodies who are in
48 Post contains images Sabena332 : Funny, I don't know anyone whoms live was "ruined" because of weed, I don't know anyone who is suffering from psychologic problems because he/she is
49 Rolfen : How different are they from people who take drugs such as Lexotanil to relax? Those prescription drugs are perfectly legal and even advertized. How a
50 Post contains images Jacobin777 : yes wrong! all scientific data proves me right! because it doesn't affect you doesn't mean it doesn't affect others....many people go smoking two pac
51 Gunsontheroof : Amen to that! My best mornings are the ones that follow a nice smoke session. I don't need "mind-altering drugs" to have a good time, they're simply
52 Rolfen : Oh my god that's so ... sad ... so unnecessary as you put it... hard to describe this feeling.
53 Post contains images JamieD : Did you ever consider that people who suffer from a mental illness are drawn to these "illicit substances", as opposed to the substance being the cau
54 Jacobin777 : that's not what the case is....its been well documented....
55 KROC : People that need such things like Zoloft and such have a described medical condition. The legal drug they are given is specifically for the treatment
56 JamieD : The statictics you have posted thus far certainly don't disprove my point.[Edited 2006-04-30 23:52:35]
57 Gunsontheroof : I bet you'd be surprised by the number of people you interact with on a daily basis who are stoned. I certainly agree that there are more than a few
58 Jacobin777 : I wasn't mentioning it terms of statitics which I've provided..as I won't bother to provide stats since no one else is basing their arguments with st
59 KROC : Naw, the glazed over look. The all of a sudden lack of interest in anything. They pretty much standout...unless they wait to get home to do it and th
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