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Minor Question: Is Blofeld Dead In Bond?  
User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3168 times:

Hey, anyone a James Bond expert?

If so, is Blofeld really dead as of the last movie featuring / mentioning him, or was it just one of his clones who croaked?

Also, what the heck happened to S.P.E.C.T.R.E.?

Also, feel free to discuss any other Bond-related stuff here, including whether the latest Bond appeals to you, or whether you are looking forward to the next Bond, etc. Or the soon-to-be-remade Casino Royale (the first one being a parody).

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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20822 posts, RR: 62
Reply 1, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3155 times:

Blofeld and SPECTRE are supposedly still very much alive, just not appearing in a film near you due to copyright issues.


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User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3155 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 1):
Blofeld and SPECTRE are supposedly still very much alive, just not appearing in a film near you due to copyright issues.

Most cool.

And it appears that, yet again, the Copyright Office proves its power over even the likes of Bond.

 Wink


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20822 posts, RR: 62
Reply 3, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3151 times:

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 2):
the Copyright Office proves its power over even the likes of Bond.

It's more that one person owns Blofeld, and MGM owns Bond, and never the twain shall meet again, it's said.



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User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3151 times:

I'm guessing that Broccoli doesn't own Blofeld.

By the way, the history behind the evolution and divergence of property rights pertaining to Fleming's work must be rather intriguing.


User currently offlineHomer71 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2254 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3141 times:

Kevin McClory, who produced Thunderball own the rights to Blofeld and SPECTRE. He went on to produce a non-official Bond Never Say Never Again in 1983, bringing back Connery one more time. The movie is essentially a remake of Thunderball, but Kim Basinger and Barbara Carrera made it bearable.

In For Your Eyes Only (1981), Bond disposing of "Blofeld" is a jab at McClory by Broccoli.

I'm looking forward to Casino Royale - it's supposed to be faithful to the novel (with 21st century updates) and more gritty, with no CGI that marred the last couple with Brosnan. They said they will have the infamous torture scene, I wonder how that will play that out and keep the PG-13 rating...



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User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3138 times:

^^Very detailed -- thank you for that response.

I'm interested in your comments about Casino Royale -- particularly about the infamy of the torture scene. I didn't know about that.

We'll see what Hollywood does with it, I guess.  Smile


User currently offlineAirwave From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1117 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3135 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 1):

Actually, a "Blofeld-esque" character was done in by Bond in the pre-titles sequence of (I think) "For Your Eyes Only". Although you never saw the face to properly confirm that it was indeed Blofeld (due to the aforementioned copyright issues), the dress, mannerisms, &c of the character conform to the Blofeld image, so it's safe to say that it is, indeed, Blofeld. Also, S.P.E.C.T.R.E. (and Blofeld) was being used less and less as the movie franchise evolved; it was for all intents and purposes defeated in "You Only Live Twice" (a personal favorite for the appearance of Little Nellie Big grin ). After that, I think we only heard a mention or two of either S.P.E.C.T.R.E. or Blofeld in one or two subsequent films. If you look at the progression of the franchise, there were four or five films in between the lass mention of the above and the "FYEO" title sequence.

So, even before (or perhaps as) the whole copyright issue came to a head, the franchise was clearly moving away from this supervillian and his merry band of criminal masterminds. Thus, Bond dropping Blofeld down the stack is a bit of an overhanded jab at the Blofeld copyright holders saying, in effect, "We don't need you or your supervillian."

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 4):
By the way, the history behind the evolution and divergence of property rights pertaining to Fleming's work must be rather intriguing.

Yup, a lot of it is all over the place; though I do believe concerted efforts have been made to bring a good portion of it under one roof--don't know how successful that's been, though, lol.

Hope that helps.

Airwave  eyebrow 



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User currently offlineDeltaRules From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3837 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3123 times:

I read the novel recently for a school paper & thought it was really good, so I'm looking forward to seeing the movie. I just hope it's not as corny as Die Another Day turned out to be.

Quoting Homer71 (Reply 5):
I'm looking forward to Casino Royale - it's supposed to be faithful to the novel (with 21st century updates) and more gritty, with no CGI that marred the last couple with Brosnan.

Is there any truth to the story that the card game that Bond & Le Chiffre play in the movie is going to be Texas Hold 'Em Poker, and not Baccarat as was in the novel? I hope it's not true.

DeltaRules



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User currently offlineHomer71 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2254 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3111 times:

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 6):
I'm interested in your comments about Casino Royale -- particularly about the infamy of the torture scene. I didn't know about that.

I don't want to spoil it, but it will make men cross their legs and wince...  Wink

Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 8):
Is there any truth to the story that the card game that Bond & Le Chiffre play in the movie is going to be Texas Hold 'Em Poker, and not Baccarat as was in the novel? I hope it's not true.

Unfortunately, it is reported to be true, but it's all about marketing: Texas Hold 'Em is still popular, and it's a way to attract non-Bond fans...



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User currently offlineAirwave From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1117 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3108 times:

Quoting Homer71 (Reply 9):
Unfortunately, it is reported to be true, but it's all about marketing: Texas Hold 'Em is still popular, and it's a way to attract non-Bond fans...

And turn off current Bond fans. It's a zero sum game. If that's the case, though, I guess we can expect him to be driving a gas-conscious hybrid and start ordering vodka and Red Bull...  Yeah sure

Really though, would Bond play Texas Hold 'Em over Chemin de Fer?! I think not, lol.

Airwave  eyebrow 



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User currently offlineHomer71 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2254 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3108 times:

Some pics from Casino Royale, courtesy of Sony via JoBlo.com:


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v452/homer71/casinoroyale1.jpg
Daniel Craig as Bond


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v452/homer71/casinoroyale2.jpg
Daniel Craig with Judi Dench (as M)


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v452/homer71/casinoroyale3.jpg
Daniel Craig with Eva Green (left, as Vesper Lynd) and Caterina Murino (as Solange)

[Edited 2006-04-29 04:52:18]


"On spaceship earth there are no passengers...only crew."
User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29832 posts, RR: 58
Reply 12, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3105 times:

Hasn't he died about three times already.

For the record, allow me to say that Auric Goldfinger was a better villian then the many faced Blofeld.



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User currently offlineAirwave From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1117 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3096 times:

Quoting L-188 (Reply 12):
Auric Goldfinger was a better villian

Compared to Blofeld, yes, definitely. But otherwise, ehhh, he was ok. I think two better Bond villians are Francesco Scaramanga ("The Man With the Golden Gun") and Alec Trevelyan. Those are two guys I wouldn't want to sit next to on a flight across the Atlantic ("So...what do you do for a living?").

Airwave  eyebrow 



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29832 posts, RR: 58
Reply 14, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3094 times:

Quoting Airwave (Reply 13):
I think two better Bond villians are Francesco Scaramanga ("The Man With the Golden Gun")

Little too freindly to be a really scary villian besides he was a simple blackmailer....the little guy from "Fantasy Island" was scarrier.

Quoting Airwave (Reply 13):
Alec Trevelyan.

Definately the best villian from the Peirce Brosnan era (He still should be doing it IMHO)

I have to give credit to Wayne Newton in his villianous sidekick role in "License to Kill"



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User currently offlineHomer71 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2254 posts, RR: 14
Reply 15, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3092 times:

Christopher Walken made a nice comical villain in an otherwise dreadful A View to a Kill: After disposing a businessman (who wanted out of a deal) from his blimp at FL300, he asked the other corporate-types, "So, does anyone else want to drop out?"


"On spaceship earth there are no passengers...only crew."
User currently offlineCopaair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3091 times:

Damn, Daniel Craig doesn't look a thing like Bond usually does, and should look. He has blonde hair. Screwing with the tradition IMO. I still will go watch it, because I really enjoy Bond movies, but that just doesn't look right. My favorite Bond Villain was Baron Samedi, and Tee Hee, from "Live and Let Die". Goldfinger was a good one too though...first Bond movie I ever saw. I wonder how they are going to spin it with the Blonde Bond though.

-Copa


User currently offlineAirwave From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1117 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3090 times:

Quoting L-188 (Reply 14):
Little too freindly to be a really scary villian besides he was a simple blackmailer

I think his friendliness was always part of his image of himself--he believed he was a gentleman and (over)acted the part. He was the kind of the person who could look at you and smile as he shot you. He was as antitheitcal to Bond as any villian yet--even Trevelyan. He was not at all bothered by extorting and killing; Bond at least had issues with the lives he took.

Quoting L-188 (Reply 14):
the little guy from "Fantasy Island" was scarrier.

Who? Knick-Knack? Yeah, he was a mean lil'...er...little person...

Quoting L-188 (Reply 14):
Definately the best villian from the Peirce Brosnan era (He still should be doing it IMHO)

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Quoting L-188 (Reply 14):
I have to give credit to Wayne Newton in his villianous sidekick role in "License to Kill"

Haha--best Bond cameo ever. "Bless you child." Classic.

Airwave  eyebrow 



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29832 posts, RR: 58
Reply 18, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3088 times:

Quoting Airwave (Reply 17):
I think his friendliness was always part of his image of himself--he believed he was a gentleman and (over)acted the part.

Don't disagree with that, but for some reason he just never seemed that convincing during the personality switches.

Quoting Homer71 (Reply 15):
Christopher Walken made a nice comical villain in an otherwise dreadful A View to a Kill:

I didn't think that was that bad of a Bond flick....never have been able to spot Maude Adams in it though. At least the idea of the villian wanting to destroy the chip industry and rigging horse races was plausable.

Now Moonraker....that sucked....For god's sake they married "Jaws" off.



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User currently offlineAirwave From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1117 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3088 times:

Quoting Homer71 (Reply 15):
Christopher Walken made a nice comical villain in an otherwise dreadful A View to a Kill: After disposing a businessman (who wanted out of a deal) from his blimp at FL300, he asked the other corporate-types, "So, does anyone else want to drop out?"

Yeah, he was a "fun" villian. I like Walken a lot as a character-acter (and music video dancer, haha) and Zoren probably contributed to more of my stereotyped visions of who Walken is than anything, lol.

Minor complaint: The title line in that movie is total crap:
Mayday: "Wow! What a view!"
Zoren: "...to a *kill*!"

I mean...c'mon! WTF, mate?! Turned out a decent title song, though, haha.

Airwave  eyebrow 



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User currently offlineHomer71 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2254 posts, RR: 14
Reply 20, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3080 times:

Quoting L-188 (Reply 18):
I didn't think that was that bad of a Bond flick....never have been able to spot Maude Adams in it though.



Here you go, where the arrow is pointing:



[Edited 2006-04-29 05:36:38]


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User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3063 times:

Quoting Airwave (Reply 7):
Yup, a lot of it is all over the place; though I do believe concerted efforts have been made to bring a good portion of it under one roof--don't know how successful that's been, though, lol.

Your post is fascinating as a whole.  Smile

As far as whether Blofeld is "really" dead, it may be one of those "how many angels can dance on the head of a pin"-type things. It may never be able to be resolved.


User currently offlineAirbusA346 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2004, 7437 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3055 times:

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 2):

Why what is the copyright issue?

Tom.



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26795 posts, RR: 75
Reply 23, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3050 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 1):
Blofeld and SPECTRE are supposedly still very much alive, just not appearing in a film near you due to copyright issues.

I find it interesting that they let that happen. The Broccolis always held Bond with a pretty tight fist.

Quoting AerospaceFan (Thread starter):
or whether you are looking forward to the next Bond, etc

I am going to see it, but it annoys me that they didn't choose a better Bond. Hugh Jackman would have been perfect in the role

Quoting Airwave (Reply 13):
Francesco Scaramanga ("The Man With the Golden Gun")

Scaramanga was great, but I loved the crazy voodoo man from "Live and Let Die"

Quoting AirbusA346 (Reply 22):
Why what is the copyright issue?

Broccoli doesn't own the rights to the character, as mentioned above



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User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3037 times:

Quoting AirbusA346 (Reply 22):
Why what is the copyright issue?

I think N1120A has explained it well.  Smile


25 RichardPrice : There was a rumour that where was a scene filmed for Never Say Never Again where Blofeld was killed by his cat scratching him with poisonous claws, bu
26 Post contains images AerospaceFan : Before I forget: 1. Thanks to Homer for describing the torture scene. Now, why am I thinking of wearing a codpiece before seeing that movie?   2. N11
27 Post contains images Airwave : You may be right, but I think it's resolved--just not agreeably so, haha. Hahaha, Baron Samedi was creepy as hell--which makes sense being that he wa
28 L-188 : Agree with that. When they sent to CGI it definately lost something. It is nice to have the technology, but you have to know when to use it and more
29 AerospaceFan : I agree. If they're going to mess around with the formula, why not give him an Uzi, while we're at it? Next thing you know, we're going to see James B
30 Post contains images Airwave : True--messing with a legend here. However, I don't think it was so much a disregard for tradition as much it was showing how Bond keeps up with the l
31 L-188 : The P99 is, in a sense, the next generation of PPKs and I think from that standpoint it's what we would expect Bond to carry. Only a later H&K product
32 Post contains links and images AerospaceFan : That's not a bad rationalization, I must admit.   Although, if that's the case, I want Bond to carry an Uzi. They make very small versions that are
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