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MJ, Coke, Heroin Soon Legal In Mexico  
User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2638 times:

Well . . . this is an interesting tidbit.

Apparently, the Mexican Government has passed a bill that - when signed by President Fox - will legal personal amounts of Marijuana, Heroin, Cocaine, LSD, Meth and Ecstacy . . .

How scary is this? Our southern neighbors will be able to legally possess cocaine? Heroin? This isn't a joint or two at the city park we're talking about here . . . we're talking "hard" drugs - although the term is ridiculous as MJ is as potent as coke these days.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americ...s/04/28/mexico.drugs.ap/index.html<

[Edited 2006-04-29 13:35:11]

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User currently offlineBraybuddy From Ireland, joined Aug 2004, 5710 posts, RR: 31
Reply 1, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2638 times:

Maybe he's eyeing the tourist market.

User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26487 posts, RR: 75
Reply 2, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2621 times:

Ok, lets be accurate here, since CNN decided to use a spiced up title. This is a decriminalization, not a legalization. These are very small amounts, just enough for personal use.

The Mexican Government is touting this as a way to reduce police corruption and to also refocus efforts on major drug trafficking and not waste police time on small scale drug crime.

I personally like this quote:

"We can't close our eyes to this reality," said Sen. Jorge Zermeno, of Fox's conservative National Action Party. "We cannot continue to fill our jails with people who have addictions."



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User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13113 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2620 times:

They are probably facing the reality of the failure of the 'war on drugs' mainly due to the obscene demand from Americans with more money than brains. Still it is totally wrong in any moral context and the Roman Catholic Church, good people in Mexico and elsewhere and President Bush should speak out against it. Now we have another reason to take a stronger stand as to illegal immigration and stegthen our land borders. This may backfire on Mexico badly in the short term, and I hope it does.

User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2619 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 2):
This is a decriminalization, not a legalization.

The difference is moot.

It will no longer be illegal to possess personal quantities of certain narcotics. Whether that means it's 'legal' or 'not criminal' is irrelevent. Either way, no action by law enforcement.

Experience tell me there's little if any enforcement anyway . . .

Furthermore, the idea that Mexican police will concentrate on the

Quoting N1120A (Reply 2):
major drug trafficking

is frackin' joke.

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 3):
Now we have another reason to take a stronger stand as to illegal immigration and stegthen our land borders.

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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26487 posts, RR: 75
Reply 5, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2615 times:

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 3):
Still it is totally wrong in any moral context and the Roman Catholic Church, good people in Mexico and elsewhere and President Bush should speak out against it.

Question. Do you drink alcohol or smoke cigarettes? If you do, you have absolutely nothing to say about the moral correctness of this.

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 3):
Now we have another reason to take a stronger stand as to illegal immigration and stegthen our land borders.

Um why? Mexico's changing of their drug consumption laws has no bearing on the US



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User currently offlineIAH777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 0 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2605 times:

Excellent news! Now, all the dope-smoking/shooting/sniffing worthless fornicators of swine will immigrate en masse to Mexico! I will gladly trade hard-working Mexicans for America's detritus.  checkmark 

User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6203 posts, RR: 30
Reply 7, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2572 times:
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Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 3):
Now we have another reason to take a stronger stand as to illegal immigration and stegthen our land borders. This may backfire on Mexico badly in the short term, and I hope it does.

Why? Should we consult our friendly American neighbors to the North regarding any law we want to change in our country?

Who gives a s*it about what the US president has to say about Mexico? In Mexico of course?

Whatever backfires on Mexico, re-backfires in the US, so, be careful what you wish for.

You should come during Spring Break to see your fellow citizens, their behavior, and the incredible amounts of narcotics and alcohol they ingest. Those should be rounded up and sent to jail for a long time. They are scum, and they don't even spend any money (legally) as they don't have much and are young and cheap.



MGGS
User currently offlineJamesag96 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 2095 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2561 times:

Quoting AR385 (Reply 7):
Why? Should we consult our friendly American neighbors to the North regarding any law we want to change in our country?

Might be of help seeing as how Mexico is little more than cess pool of a country rife with corruption.

Quoting AR385 (Reply 7):
Who gives a s*it about what the US president has to say about Mexico? In Mexico of course?

Personally I wish our President would tell all your fellow Mexicans to stay put, reform your own damn country and lock down the borders...but he won't.

Quoting AR385 (Reply 7):
Whatever backfires on Mexico, re-backfires in the US, so, be careful what you wish for.

That makes little sense, but I'll chalk that up to english being your second language.

Quoting AR385 (Reply 7):
You should come during Spring Break to see your fellow citizens, their behavior, and the incredible amounts of narcotics and alcohol they ingest. Those should be rounded up and sent to jail for a long time. They are scum, and they don't even spend any money (legally) as they don't have much and are young and cheap.

I have been there during Spring Break, had my fair share of alcohol but when down there we walk the straight and narrow...you have to becuase if you don't the federales that pile into the back of pick up trucks and drive up and down the streets will snatch you up and either demand a bribe, or throw you in jail and blackmail your friends/family.

I have also been for bachelor parties, where else can you find cheap beer and cheep women? And we're scum?

Mexico is a third world country and will amount to little else unless and until it's people are dead set on reform.

People here talk about the uneven distribution of wealth in the States, take a look south of the Rio Grande and see how bad it can really get.



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User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6203 posts, RR: 30
Reply 9, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2532 times:
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Quoting Jamesag96 (Reply 8):
Might be of help seeing as how Mexico is little more than cess pool of a country rife with corruption.

You are right, and we should take lessons from the cess pool of a country rife with corruption like the U.S., As I have said before, and given examples, do a search.

Quoting Jamesag96 (Reply 8):
Personally I wish our President would tell all your fellow Mexicans to stay put, reform your own damn country and lock down the borders...but he won't.

Whatever we do with our own damn country is our business. Your President has nothing to say about it. Neither do you. In any case, why should we lock down our borders? It's a great escape valve for us. Unemployment is not as high, and we get over 25 billion dollars in money sent back from those who left. It's not a winning proposition for us.

Quoting Jamesag96 (Reply 8):
That makes little sense, but I'll chalk that up to english being your second language.

Yes, probably my English is really bad, so you'd rather insult my ability to speak your language than think about my statement. But what can you expect from a salesman, right?

Quoting Jamesag96 (Reply 8):
I have been there during Spring Break, had my fair share of alcohol but when down there we walk the straight and narrow...you have to becuase if you don't the federales that pile into the back of pick up trucks and drive up and down the streets will snatch you up and either demand a bribe, or throw you in jail and blackmail your friends/family.

That is a ludicrous statement. I'll chalk it up to your inexistent ability to come up with reasonable arguments.

Quoting Jamesag96 (Reply 8):
I have also been for bachelor parties, where else can you find cheap beer and cheep women? And we're scum?

You just answered your own question.

Quoting Jamesag96 (Reply 8):
People here talk about the uneven distribution of wealth in the States, take a look south of the Rio Grande and see how bad it can really get.

Take a look at your Indian reservations, Appalachia, West Virginia, inner cities (particularly Detroit and Hartford) and more

And just so you know, and get you mad, I am an American citizen, not naturalized, native. Pretty rich too, lots of oil and gas wells in Texas. So I am probably one of those that in the US should consider you middle class? Anytime you want to quit sales, give me a call, since we do not hire illegals for our oil operations, we'll probably need people like you to clean the toilets of our installations.



MGGS
User currently offlineJafa39 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2520 times:

Political differences between the US and Mexico aside.

"Encouraging" Coke and heroin use is about as dumb as it gets, seriously, how can you get a grip on the drugs trade if you pass legislation that effectively opens up the market???

The key to controllong drugs is to reduce demand, make it not financially viable...and blow up as many production centres as possible.

Unfortunately drug production occurs in corrupt places, that's how they keep going, be it in Asia, the US, Europe, whatever, drugs are big business and money is power, cut the profits, cut the power, decriminalisation will do the opposite.


User currently offlineDerico From Argentina, joined Dec 1999, 4304 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2513 times:

This brings the old argument as to why is marijuana considered a 'hard drug' in the US. I never understood that. Cocaine and heroin decriminalization sounds a bit unsual, I would have to say, on the other hand.

But this US obsession with giving people 20 years in jail for smoking marijuana is so juvenile.

And no I do not smoke marijuana, I don't even smoke tobacco (which is just as bad or worse). I don't smoke or take any drugs, not even aspirin. So I don't have an agenda it's just my opinion. If tobacco is legal, then so should marijuana and coca leaves (not cocaine).



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User currently offlineJafa39 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2509 times:

Quoting Derico (Reply 11):
If tobacco is legal, then so should marijuana and coca leaves (not cocaine).

Thing is, tobacco just gives you heart disease and cancer, it doesn't scramble your brain and get you mugging people just to feed the addiction.

I don't support tobacco use (as an ex- but not evangelical-smoker) but smokers can be perfectly OK, work hard, make sound decisions and genrally contribute to society, coke-freaks and heavy useage pot-heads have some odd mindsets.

Re MJ as a hard drug, genetically modified MJ (Skunk etc) is OTT powerful and induces psychosis, hallucinations and general wierdness.


User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6203 posts, RR: 30
Reply 13, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2505 times:
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Quoting Jafa39 (Reply 10):
"Encouraging" Coke and heroin use is about as dumb as it gets, seriously, how can you get a grip on the drugs trade if you pass legislation that effectively opens up the market???

I believe that engaging in a debate about whether legalizing soft or hard drugs is beyond the capabilities of this forum. Years of debates and the time of great scholars has been devoted to this question. Still, nobody has come up with a solution everybody else is happy with.

I myself do not have good arguments for or against said action, at least not more effective propositions than those that everybody has read. That does not mean I do not have a stand about such idea.

In any case, wether a country legalizes such use or not should not be an excuse for some redneck like Jamesag96 to belittle and insult a person because he has a different agenda.

With all due respect to ANCflyer, I will probably never agree with him on some issues, but I do respect him and his opinions as he is never insulting, is consistent with his ideas and he knows where to keep the focus in a discussion. Plus, his life experiences, whenever he shares them with the rest of us, are invaluable. You may not agree with them, but they are rich in context, concept, and good learning.

But getting a response like reply #8 is just a waste of time, energy and words.



MGGS
User currently offlineDerico From Argentina, joined Dec 1999, 4304 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2498 times:

Quoting Jafa39 (Reply 12):
Thing is, tobacco just gives you heart disease and cancer, it doesn't scramble your brain and get you mugging people just to feed the addiction.

The thing is that in my personal experience, I have not seen one shred of evidence marijuana causes people to 'mug' for money. The harder drugs I can believe because I have seen how people under those drugs act.

But I know people that smoke marijuana recreationally, and they go to college, work, and do well in math, science, etc. If I could see someone doing marijuana that has his life destroyed, I would maybe change my mind but I have never ever seen this. It's always thru 3rd parties that I hear how horrible marijuana is.



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User currently offlineMdsh00 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4124 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2498 times:

Quoting AR385 (Reply 9):
Whatever we do with our own damn country is our business. Your President has nothing to say about it. Neither do you. In any case

Then in that case, your president Fox shouldn't be criticizing the US for trying to limit immigration (as he has done).



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User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6203 posts, RR: 30
Reply 16, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2487 times:
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Quoting Mdsh00 (Reply 15):
Then in that case, your president Fox shouldn't be criticizing the US for trying to limit immigration (as he has done).

I agree with you 100% Until Fox came to power, Mexico never criticized or had an opinion about another country's laws. Do some research, it might help you. It was called the "Doctrina Estrada". We should have nothing to say about the US laws.



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User currently offlineJafa39 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2483 times:

Quoting AR385 (Reply 13):
In any case, wether a country legalizes such use or not should not be an excuse for some redneck like Jamesag96 to belittle and insult a person because he has a different agenda.

Have to agree with you there.

Quoting Derico (Reply 14):
I have not seen one shred of evidence marijuana causes people to 'mug' for money.

I have, and worse too, see my post on the "Global Marijuana march thread" plenty of people have seen the mental illnesses caused by weed but pot-heads write it off as the ravings of "normal people" or "Babylon" as we called it in my drug-taking days.

I got out, there are many who haven't and it breaks my heart to see them now.

Please don't anyone on this thread belittle the direct experience of people whose lives have been affected by weed, don't ignore the medical evidence..PLEASE!!!!!!!!!


User currently offlineKevinL1011 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 2964 posts, RR: 47
Reply 18, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2475 times:

Quoting Jafa39 (Reply 17):
Please don't anyone on this thread belittle the direct experience of people whose lives have been affected by weed, don't ignore the medical evidence..PLEASE!!!!!!!!!

Just curious Jafa...no intent to "belittle", but in your opinion, do you think using MJ is worse than alcohol?

My experience has been that the user has as much to do with the effects as the intoxicant.



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User currently offlineSearpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4344 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2470 times:

There is an argument that can be made that by decriminalizing the activity you can regulate it and control/reduce demand. However the smuggling issue in Mexico has very little to do with Mexican demand and everything to do with American demand. Unfortunately the only thing I see this particular move doing is giving stupid people yet more incentive to go to Mexico and do things they would never consider doing at home, then being even more stupid and trying to bring it back across the border. I don't see this benefiting the Mexican people one bit, and instead just adding to the crime along the border.

Quoting AR385 (Reply 13):
But getting a response like reply #8 is just a waste of time

James' response was fairly over the top, but you set the tone in number 7. Mexican actions have a great deal of impact on the US, especially when it comes to drugs. Of course Mexico is a sovereign nation and has a right to pass the internal laws it sees fit, but as highlighted in the immigration debate, when those laws will have a significant impact on your neighbors, they have a right to voice their opinions.



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User currently offlineTIA From Albania, joined Mar 2006, 524 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2463 times:

Quoting Jamesag96 (Reply 8):
That makes little sense, but I'll chalk that up to english being your second language.

And I take it that your Spanish is better than AR385's English?

Quoting Jafa39 (Reply 10):
The key to controllong drugs is to reduce demand, make it not financially viable...



Quoting Jafa39 (Reply 12):
Thing is, tobacco just gives you heart disease and cancer, it doesn't scramble your brain and get you mugging people just to feed the addiction.

I hope you do realize that drug addicts mug people for money (if you choose to simplify the issue like that) exactly because it is not financially viable to have a drug addiction. So you can't say that drugs shouldn't be cheap, while complaining about drug addicts resorting to desperate measures to finance their usage. Either way, I doubt that there are many pot smokers who are mugging people to get money to just buy weed. And no, I don't do pot or any other drug, other than alcohol.

Quoting AR385 (Reply 13):
should not be an excuse for some redneck like Jamesag96

Your name calling is just as unnecessary as Jamesag96 ridiculing your English.


User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2455 times:

Quoting Derico (Reply 11):
But this US obsession with giving people 20 years in jail for smoking marijuana is so juvenile.

We don't give people 20 years in jail for smoking marijuana. At least at the federal level.

Quoting AR385 (Reply 16):
I agree with you 100% Until Fox came to power, Mexico never criticized or had an opinion about another country's laws. Do some research, it might help you. It was called the "Doctrina Estrada". We should have nothing to say about the US laws.

And nowadays we have the Mexican government actively instructing their citizens how to break US law.....

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 19):
There is an argument that can be made that by decriminalizing the activity you can regulate it and control/reduce demand.

An argument, yes, but one with little support to back it up. Marijuana is effectively been decriminalized in many EU countries, and I've seen no studies to indicate demand has lessened. Same for heroin in Germany.


User currently offlineRolfen From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 1809 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2445 times:

Welcome to tijuana...
Tequila sexo y marijuana!

(lyrics from a manu chao music)



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User currently offlineSearpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4344 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2442 times:

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 21):
An argument, yes, but one with little support to back it up. Marijuana is effectively been decriminalized in many EU countries, and I've seen no studies to indicate demand has lessened. Same for heroin in Germany.

Don't get me wrong, as an ex user, I strongly oppose anything that makes it easier for people to get hooked on drugs, and as I said above, I don't see anyone (legitimate) benifitting from this.



"The two most common elements in the universe are Hydrogen and stupidity"
User currently offlineJafa39 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2403 times:

Quoting KevinL1011 (Reply 18):
Just curious Jafa...no intent to "belittle", but in your opinion, do you think using MJ is worse than alcohol?

Not necessarily, some people just shouldn't drink but they are not classified as "drugs" per se and so socially there is a difference.

If you start to decriminalise "drugs" you open a can of worms that even when left shut isn't perfect but we need to start with the status quo and work from there.

Moves are afoot to raise the drinking age in NZ, a move I wholeheartedly support, society appears to be getting more stupid and less responsible, if we keep the drugs issue under control and tighten up on things we can then look at booze, which I agree is also a big problem but let's not get into the mindset that says "Booze is bad, let's legalise drugs too" better to say "Booze and drugs are both bad, let's address both issues".

You start with drugs because they are currently illegal and then look at booze.

Otherwise lets just say "Fighting crime takes up too much time and money, let's legalise rape and burglary".

The smug pot-head lobby needs to look at the big picture, from a societal point of view. I have been hassled by pot-head cyclists and denigrated for driving a car and these hypocrites think that just because they like something, it should be legalised, they really haven't a clue and I don't want people without the big picture influencing social policy.

Jafa xxx

Quoting TIA (Reply 20):
So you can't say that drugs shouldn't be cheap,

I meant it shouldn't be pfofitable for the dealers.


25 L-188 : Lets see here..... Our junkies who are a drag on society causing crime, and poverty go to mexico. We get their yearning masses who want to be free and
26 AR385 : I find it interesting that nowhere in the US news is it mentioned that the same law that decriminalises tiny amounts of drugs also makes the common ca
27 Derico : Then the people I know who smoke do not smoke this kind of MJ which obviously is refined making it a hard drug. I'm saying that the plant in a natura
28 Post contains images KeViNL1011 : Gad Zooks! Criminalize my favorite beverage? No more Modelo? No more Fosters? IMO....It's not the drugs, it's the users. If the same amount of money
29 Post contains images KevinL1011 : NICE ONE!
30 AR385 : I agree with you. And for that I apologize to this forum for letting my feelings use the more obscure words of my "limited" English vocabulary. I hop
31 Gunsontheroof : What the hell are you talking about? Marijuana as potent as coke? It'll be interesting to see how this pans out. My money says that violent crime dro
32 Post contains images ANCFlyer : I didn't say that . . . What I said was, essentially, "Today's Marijuana is NOT your Father's Marijuana". And before you go off the deep end about th
33 L-188 : Is that the stuff that looks like potatoes when looking through a FLIR? What was racist about it?
34 ANCFlyer : Tomatos . . . . And the one doper I was discussing above, who had the too strong dope, was that asshat in Fairbanks in the mid-1990s . . . supplying
35 Gunsontheroof : Point taken. Good post. I'm well aware of the potential potency of marijuana available today, and I think one of the benefits of legalization (not de
36 ANCFlyer : We obviously have a difference of opinion, but I respect your views on the subject. I do find myself feeling hypocritical when I'm enjoying three fin
37 Post contains images Superfly : Do you prefer a joint, bong or pipe? I prefer the bong, then pipe and the joint would be my least favorite. Tell me something, why do most other pot
38 Post contains links SFOMEX : Quoting Superfly (Reply 37): Marijuana is a natural multi-use plant enjoyed by free thinkers. LOL. Back on the topic. I find hard to believe that Pres
39 JamesAg96 : Bottom line here is that I reacted the way I did because of the things you said in a previous post. Mexico has beautiful parts, and some wonderful peo
40 AR385 : I am not sure about that. You can only synthetize THC through direct heat applied directly to the plant (joint, bong, pipe), through a process simila
41 AR385 : Part of your argument is valid. However, some of it has holes. Yes, an individual can do to his own body whatever the individual wants. Yes, it's the
42 Post contains links Pdpsol : I believe Mexican legislature has debated this issue extensively and, along with the Fox administration, has decided this policy will benefit the inte
43 Pdpsol : double-posted [see above][Edited 2006-04-30 19:33:06]
44 L-188 : Forgot about that one.. No the potatoe story is from the 1980's. Rumor has it that the troopers got their first FLIR and just had to try it out. So t
45 Post contains images Superfly : Just try one and you'll see.
46 AR385 : I have, on various occassions, and it has done nothing for me.
47 Superfly : AR385: I messed up by eating 4 brownies on an empty stomach and had about 10 stout beers. That could have had something to do with it also.
48 Alberchico : Mexico a third world country ??? Please.... even in New York there is much vocal opposition to the tought on drugs Rockefeller laws. Going after peop
49 Halls120 : You don't recall the "how to safely cross the border" comic book published by the Mexican government? And if you believe government regulation would
50 KevinL1011 : Perhaps a few sentences to explain your objections would help us understand how we can improve our communication in this forum. Personal attacks make
51 JamesAg96 : You care to discuss that? A country with such a delta between the have and the have nots, a country where the social safety net provides for such a l
52 AR385 : Yes, I recall that book. I have to remind you that migrant routes have shifted to the more dangerous parts of the border terrain. A government has an
53 AR385 : If L-188's post was intended as humor, I did not see it. Regarding your preceding post, I did read it, and yes, in the US an addict is treated as gar
54 Halls120 : So ensuring the well-being of its citizens justifies telling them how to break the law of a neighboring country? Why doesn't the government instead w
55 AR385 : Oh well, that may certainly do it.
56 AR385 : It is not ensuring the well being of its citizens, it is telling them how not to die horrible deaths, at the same time devoting pages to make it clea
57 AR385 : It is being done. It takes time.
58 Gunsontheroof : I also believe that while an individual has a right to do whatever they please to their own body, they should be held accountable for their actions,
59 Halls120 : And in the meantime, the Mexican government tacitly encourages its citizens to break US law. Don't get me wrong - I support immigration. Legal immigr
60 Fumanchewd : Crack cocaine and heroin destroy lives and cause crime. I don't care about coke, pot, or e. That is absolutely hilarious! Have you ever met anyone who
61 AR385 : It is not encouraged, tacitly or explicitly. Please source that statement. So called immigration hurts many Mexican communities, as they are literall
62 LTBEWR : I know I commented in a very negative way to this proposal and for good reason. I realize that this change in law has to deal with the personal posses
63 KevinL1011 : Perhaps "emotion" was a poor choice of words. Perhaps I'm misunderstanding your responce to L-188's humor. Your choice of words in reply #30 indicate
64 AA61Hvy : I'm booking a fall trip to Mexico soon...This just spices up the deal... Sabena332-I know you're down to come with, for some mj.[Edited 2006-05-01 06:
65 AR385 : Ok, KevinL1011, To which I replied and No matter how I see it, I fail to see the humor in L-188 phrase. You support the statement by adding nothing ju
66 Halls120 : When the mexican government produces a pamphlet that "offers safety information for border crossers, a primer on their legal rights and advice on liv
67 ANCFlyer : Perhaps you've a copy of the pamphlet you could FedEx him . . . that might get the very, very clear point across.
68 We're Nuts : Wow. I've been away at school, can someone fill me in on when we started hating Mexico so much? Are we going to invade them, too? I always thought of
69 Halls120 : I don't hate Mexico. Or Mexicans. I just wish their government would stop encouraging their citizens to enter our country illegally, that's all.
70 Post contains images MiCorazonAzul : Even if that were the case, which it REALLY isn't....you're taking the article out of context to start a stir....why do you care? Mexico can do whate
71 Halls120 : Actually, he isn't taking anything out of context. Unless the press reports I've seen are incorrectly reporting the Mexican law, once it is passed an
72 We're Nuts : Well for one thing, Alaska gets its drugs from across the Bering Straight, so while his concern for the lower 48 is admirable, I don't buy it.
73 Halls120 : Oh, so if you live in Alaska you aren't supposed to be concerned about the rest of the country? And for the record, it is the Bering Strait, not "str
74 Post contains images AR385 : Again, source your statement. I'll give you some pointers though. If illegal immigrants were told by US authorities about their legal rights when the
75 We're Nuts : Well, yeah. How many Alaskans do you know? There is a actually a separatist movement up there. It's crazy. Thank you, Rand.[Edited 2006-05-01 21:41:0
76 Post contains images Johnboy : Re: "brownies": The trick is not to throw your whole stash in the brownie mix, rather you take a whole stick of butter (with your goods), and boil in
77 Newark777 : Why not tell them that if they go wandering off into the desert that they will die? Harry
78 Post contains images Halls120 : Be happy to. t This "comparison" is so out in left field, it hardly warrants a response. In the case you cite, the lawyer isn't providing advice on h
79 AR385 : Yes, that's exactly what the comic books tells them. Ask Halls120 to FEDEX you one, or send me a check for 40 USD s&h and I'll gladly FEDEX one to yo
80 AR385 : Sorry, no. You have provided sources about the book, you have not provided any sources that clearly or implicitly demonstrate that the government is
81 AndesSMF : Better question to get back on the subject. What is the drug scene situation with the young people in Mexico? I mean, are there already plenty of arre
82 Halls120 : LOL, in other words you can't face the truth. Your dodge is so lame, I can't believe you have the balls to post it.
83 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Ignorance is bliss for you Nutsy . . . But If you look to Hawai'i, you'll see separatist movement . . . . If there's one in Alaska, of consequenmce,
84 Post contains links We're Nuts : Usually. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaskan_Independence_Party I tried doing inflight training for PSA in Dayton, but that didn't work out so I'm b
85 AR385 : And you feel cornered by good, logical arguments that you have to resort to personal attacks. Typical.
86 AR385 : Mexico, in the early 90's became a consumer country rather than a transhipment one from the drugs from Colombia and/or Bolivia. In 2005, we were rate
87 Post contains images Halls120 : Logic?!? From you? That's a laugh. Question. Are you denying that the Government of Mexico published and distributed a guide that gave tips to its ci
88 Post contains images Halls120 : You must believe in the tooth fairy. So what if you send distributors to jail? They continue to operate their smuggling organizations from inside pri
89 Post contains images ANCFlyer : They're lightweights, and far from being a bonified separatist movement. Just ask L-188 as those are his compatriots there. Wanna see separatists - l
90 AR385 : There is no water, not shelter in any of the routes recently taken by migrants. Do you find it logic that they would go to a point of entry full of I
91 MDorBust : Yeah, and here in Texas we can build a giant wall just inside the border, paint big purple stripes on it, then kill anybody that comes across it. Wel
92 We're Nuts : No doubt about that, but those are the easiest drugs to build private workshops for. Specifically I meant heroin and other opiates, which have explod
93 MDorBust : Actually no, the state department does. And that is for LEGAL travelers. Somehow that word is rather elusive these days... And yes, any pamphlet tell
94 Halls120 : "INS morons?" Who is acting childish now? You aren't even remotely logical. Will you even admit that migrants who cross over the border between the P
95 Newark777 : Because we go places legally. If the Mexican government really cared about its citizens, it would prevent them from putting them in danger in the fir
96 We're Nuts : When did Mexico become the scapegoat? Why legislate Mexicans? Doesn't that seem a little, I dunno, illegal in its own right? We have Americans here wh
97 Newark777 : Exactly. Although I agree with you that we have to go after people that hire illegals, it doesn't mean the illegals are at all justified in their act
98 Post contains images AR385 : Just exactly as they do in the US    No. I was a state official in charge of protecting the people I respond to, my 4.2 million citizens in my stat
99 ANCFlyer : My position stands. Aiding and abetting illegal immigrants that seek to break US law by crossing the border illegally. Such a document wouldn't be ne
100 Post contains images AR385 : We have a difference in perspective. I give out the book, I don't care what they use it for. Aiding and abetting would be a felony or crime if I did
101 ANCFlyer : No doubt about that. You're passing out information that will assist your fellow countrymen in breaknig the US Immigration laws . . . that's the only
102 Gunsontheroof : Apparently, this is no longer a discussion about decriminalized drugs, therefore... As long as American companies (large or small) are willing to hire
103 AR385 : Yes, I'm no better, and I am proud of that. They are courageous, hardworking fellow countrymen who leave their whole life behind. It takes courage to
104 Gunsontheroof : In all fairness, he did say illegal immigration. All the same, nice post.
105 Fumanchewd : No, he misquotes people to use in his arguments which is deceiving, if not telling of the quality of his argument.
106 Post contains images Windshear : Are you serious? A friend of mine called people like you: national-maschocists Have you any idea of how the world would look now should we all feel e
107 Gunsontheroof : I can see your point. Note that I began my spiel with "Personally..." so as to make it clear that my own unusual moral view of the situation and not
108 AR385 : This is a personal attack and deserves no response. How many times do I have to explain to you? In Mexico I am not committing any crime. Handling boo
109 Gunsontheroof : As we see below... Mods...please take appropriate action.
110 AR385 : I don't get this, will you please explain? Also, please explain. I probably got my ideas wrong somewhere. Thanks
111 Windshear : I agree... I guess it is ok to feel somewhat ashamed of certain historical issues, but what you were suggesting was that a present problem should be
112 BNE : No need for explaining its all done. You have all had a chance to put your points across but now its developing into personal insults.
113 Post contains links ANCFlyer : Fire away. Unlike most folk here I'm thick skinned and take pretty much any hit with a grain of salt . . . I don't go crying to the mods like most of
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