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I'm Sick Of Anti-politcal-correctness Backlash  
User currently offlineN229NW From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 32
Posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2250 times:

FIRST OF ALL: I freely admit there are people who take it too far. PC is counterproductive and stupid when taken to extremes. I’m also willing to have a good laugh at “Politically Correct Bedtime Stories” and other satire. I also like a lot of humor that is completely un-PC. No problems. There should and must be room for debate and flexibility. But:

1.) The exaggerated cases are a lot fewer than it is made out. These crazy examples from American rightwing talk show hosts and British tabloids, they get perpetuated over and over and over and blown up, and usually they are exaggerations or downright lies to begin with. I’d like to know how many people have personally encountered attempts to ban Christmas in their community (not heard about it from Bill O’Reilly on Fox news…) or personally experienced attempts to change the words to Bah Bah Black Sheep, etc. (not read about it in the Sun or Daily Mail, or fourth hand in some UKIP or BNP leaflet…)

Ok just from poking around on the internet a bit I found the following:

--On the story of “Hot Cross Buns” being banned by several councils in England because it might be offensive to non-Christians: This was absolutely 100% fabricated by the Daily Telegraph (including the photo, which was used out of context) and then repeated by Littlejohn and the other usual tabloid suspects. The Telegraph apologized later in small print, but this of course does not affect the continued use of this story to belittle the “PC Brigade,” even though it never happened.
http://politics.guardian.co.uk/media/story/0,12123,978498,00.html
--According to Private Eye, the “Bah Bah Black Sheep” banning story is a myth that has been started several times by different tabloids, beginning back in the 80s, to discredit PC, and each time the (basically untrue) rumor has been repeated by other right-wing media sources from the original. At least one set of nurseries did really change the words to the rhyme, but not to avoid offence, rather to have children sing a different word each verse and expand their vocabulary.
--On O’Reilly and “banning” of Christmas in the US: it has been pretty well established that he sought out and found a few examples like a needle in a haystack to make his point, and that almost all of the towns and stores he claimed had banned Christmas had actually done no such thing; they had Christmas decorations up, etc. Here is another link:
http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feat...re/2005/11/21/christmas/index.html

Another thing with those relatively few cases in which PC has been carried to an exaggerated extreme is that minorities themselves often don’t care about the word or event involved, but some overzealous official gets a bee in his/her bonnet somewhere and is worried about offending people. That is when you get the exaggerations, but people turn it into “they come here to our country and expect us to change everything to be done their way blah blah blah ...”

It becomes a kind of conspiracy theory almost: the whole world is being secretly run by a PC brigade and/or a few minority lobbyists who are nefariously banning everything “we” (i.e. Bill O’Reilly and the editor of the Daily Mail) hold sacred in life. Then, once the media put these “facts” out there, people can sit around in bars getting indignant about them and using them to blame their frustrations on others.

2.) Now about what PC HAS accomplished. It has asked that people think about respecting and including people whose voices were traditionally drowned out, whether that is women, the disabled, or ethnic minorities. It has helped raise consciousness about a lot of issues. It has helped get rid of expressions such as “Indian giver” etc. from US English, and countless others—and that is a good thing. It has raised the issue that children perform better in school when people and events from their various cultures and backgrounds are all represented in textbooks and curricula as role models; and that this seldom hurts the majority in the process. It has helped people learn about each other and consider each other’s feelings. It has at the very least sparked some important debates and conversations that are valuable whatever their outcome.

3.) So let’s look at the motives of people who complain about PC: I think the question is “What do people have at stake by blowing up and repeating the same exaggerated anecdotes about PC constantly?” Well, the backlash generally comes from those who could previously take for granted that it was their right as the empowered group in society to do and say whatever they want.

Now, OF COURSE you can be anti-PC without being “racist” or whatever; but generally the people who complain loudest do have an axe to grind or a chip on their shoulders. The attitude of “why should I have to change to consider the feelings of others when I used to just be able to do things my way?”

Maybe I’ll add to this later, but I should be writing something for work instead of A.net and this is already more than long, so just a couple of final examples:

In the US, there have been lawsuits and protests about affirmative action policies at Universities, by white students claiming their places were taken from them because a minority student was admitted with slightly lower test scores. Now, it is perfectly reasonable to be against affirmative action, for all sorts of good reasons, and that doesn’t make you a racist in any way (I happen to support affirmative action, but that is another discussion). But why for example have these same people never launched complaints and lawsuits about the “legacy” admissions policies of the same universities? (Those are the policies that allow the children of alumni to get in with lower scores.) So it’s ok for the already privileged to get special rights, but when it is a minority, then it is suddenly discrimination? Just food for thought...

I’ve overheard people complaining about PC because it stopped them from using outright racial slurs too. Indeed, a decent proportion of the time anti-PC is used to put a respectable face on racism: Just pop over and take a look at the “Stormfront White Pride” website right now (if you have the stomach for it). You’ll find that MANY posts there just frame their tirades as a backlash against PC and the “loony left.” In fact, scary enough, they don’t look too different from letters ranting on in mainstream forums about the same thing, even from some posts on A.net.

So, I’d say PC has done a lot more good than harm overall. But if you do want to bash it, at least get a little more creative than repeating the same rumors and cliches.

/rant

[Edited 2006-05-01 01:10:51]


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User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8617 posts, RR: 43
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2236 times:

It's been the first time in quite a while that I've read a long post on a.net with great interest until the end. Thanks for speaking up, I do agree 100% with what you wrote!

[Edited 2006-05-01 01:25:49]


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User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2213 times:

I agree that the anti-PC backlash has its extremists. However, I wonder if the majority of Americans would be so angry at the political correctness police if officials in both the Republican and Democratic Parties demonstrated greater respect for their wishes.

Case in point: The term "illegal aliens" is not politically correct. Now, as far as the PC police are concerned, people who believe themselves entitled by nature to flood our country by disregarding our national border and sovereignty are merely "undocumented immigrants". This new term contains within its ambit the word "immigrant", thus allowing illegals to claim that they are speaking for all immigrants and facilitating their false claim that they, themselves, have the right of all immigrants, legal or illegal.

In fact, illegals are not immigrants. They are just aliens -- illegal ones, at that. In this case, a change in words have misstated the criminality of these "immigrants".

And now, on the streets of America, you see the consequences of Orwellian doublespeak, as emboldened illegals lay claim to a status they do not, by any legal right, enjoy.

You see what I mean? Words have meaning. If Democrats and Republicans alike would realize that the majority will no longer stand for the perversion of our way of life some of them advocate, where white is black and wrong is right, then your concerns will be alleviated, posthaste. But until then, query, whether the backlash should end, if we and our children are to have an America to call home in the future.

[Edited 2006-05-01 01:41:31]

User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2186 times:

Can you explain to me how it's okay to have Kwanza on the calendar, Hanukah on the Calendar and then "Winter Holiday" which used to be Christmas.

That particular one rally chaps my ass.

While I agree there are extremists - I don't think the issue is extreme.

I suggest that if thre isn't careful monitoring on the PC crowd, then we will no longer be able to say anything to anyone for fear of hurting their sensitivities. Seems to me some people just need to get thicker skin and quit their blasted whining.

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 2):
Case in point: The term "illegal aliens" is not politically correct. Now, as far as the PC police are concerned, people who believe themselves entitled by nature to flood our country by disregarding our national border and sovereignty are merely "undocumented immigrants". This new term contains within its ambit the word "immigrant", thus allowing illegals to claim that they are speaking for all immigrants and facilitating their false claim that they, themselves, have the right of all immigrants, legal or illegal.

Illegal Immigrants . . . period. Seems relatively simple: Any way you slice it they are both Illegal and Immigrants . . . end of story.


User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2184 times:

I don't think that they're immigrants, although it appears true, technically, they may be termed such. Using the term in such manner seems to be misleading, even when paired with the term "illegal".

"Immigrant" suggests that the government has approved a certain legal status. By rights, illegals are no more like other immigrants than trespassers are like invitees at law.

Please see:

http://www.americanpatrol.com/REFERENCE/isacrime.html

[Edited 2006-05-01 02:19:35]

User currently offlineBDKLEZ From Ireland, joined Jun 2005, 1735 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2181 times:

Quoting N229NW (Thread starter):
I'm Sick Of Anti-politcal-correctness Backlash

Perhaps, but keep your point short and sweet.



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User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2162 times:

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 2):
In fact, illegals are not immigrants. They are just aliens -- illegal ones, at that. In this case, a change in words have misstated the criminality of these "immigrants".

Correction: It is probably better to say that illegals are not like other immigrants. A brief search of the relevant law appears to provide that it is technically correct to say that the term "immigrant" includes both legal and illegal immigrants.


User currently offlineSATX From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2840 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2157 times:

I don't understand the anti-PC crowd either. It seems completely unnecessary. What's the worst that could happen? We'd all try to be a little more respectful to each other? Doesn't sound so bad to me.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 3):
Can you explain to me how it's okay to have Kwanza on the calendar, Hanukah on the Calendar and then "Winter Holiday" which used to be Christmas. That particular one rally chaps my ass.

I've never seen such a calendar and I have a family member who loves calendars.


Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 3):
While I agree there are extremists - I don't think the issue is extreme.

Looks like a deflection to me. You've repeatedly railed against the PC movement yourself. It's therefore no surprise that you see nothing wrong with it.


Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 3):
I suggest that if thre isn't careful monitoring on the PC crowd, then we will no longer be able to say anything to anyone for fear of hurting their sensitivities.

"Will no longer be able to say anything to anyone?" Sounds like a completely unsubstantiated and irrational fear if you ask me.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 3):
Seems to me some people just need to get thicker skin and quit their blasted whining.

The only people I've seen complaining, until this thread, were the pro-Christian, anti-PC crowd.



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User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2152 times:

Quoting SATX (Reply 7):
What's the worst that could happen?

I stand by my suggestion that the term "undocumented immigrant" has made it easier for illegals to misidentify themselves as just another form of immigrant.


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2142 times:

Quoting SATX (Reply 7):
I've never seen such a calendar and I have a family member who loves calendars.

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Shall I continue?  sarcastic 

Quoting SATX (Reply 7):
It's therefore no surprise that you see nothing wrong with it.

Again with the reading comprehension issues: I in fact have a BIG problem with it. PC in this country has been taken way too far. As I said, it won't be long before we won't be able to say anything to anyone for fear of NOT being politically correct . . .

Get thicker skin or just stay home . . . .quit sniveling . . .


User currently offlineSATX From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2840 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2120 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 9):
Again with the reading comprehension issues: I in fact have a BIG problem with it. PC in this country has been taken way too far. As I said, it won't be long before we won't be able to say anything to anyone for fear of NOT being politically correct . . .

I already had it right. The point was that you do not have a problem with the ANTI-PC-backlash crowd. Read it again if you have to. I don't think anybody would confuse you with a pro-PC person.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 9):
Get thicker skin or just stay home . . . .quit sniveling . . .

Again with the personal attacks? Sheesh.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 9):
Alyeska Pipeline Service Company

North Slope Borough

Sand Lake Elementary School, Anchorage School District

Shall I continue? sarcastic

I have yet to see a single calendar in any store with "winter holiday" on it where Christmas would normally be. You can keep on going until you can name where I can find such a calendar. As for the 1-2 week vacation some folks get, well, the day CHRISTMAS lasts two weeks I'll join your side. Last I checked it was just one single day.



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User currently offline767Lover From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2120 times:

Quoting SATX (Reply 7):
I don't understand the anti-PC crowd either. It seems completely unnecessary. What's the worst that could happen? We'd all try to be a little more respectful to each other? Doesn't sound so bad to me.

The problem is when people have their character called into question for saying certain things, or when people are sued for saying such things.

For example: I'm a woman. Was I "offended" by what Keith Hernandez said? Not really, because I perceived it as just kidding around, or just the normal guy bullshit to one another. (It goes on around here enough anyway.) However, because what he said was deemed un-PC, it's all over the media and the guy is made out to be an asshole. He probably isn't an asshole. I don't know him, maybe he is an asshole, but you get my point.


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2092 times:

Quoting SATX (Reply 10):
Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 9):
Get thicker skin or just stay home . . . .quit sniveling . . .

Again with the personal attacks? Sheesh.

If you take this personally, when it's addressed to everyone, on A-Net or otherwise, you really need to heed the advice . . .

 cry  cry  cry 


User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 13, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2076 times:

IIRC this quote came from Dennis Miller. Take it as you will given his comedy background and conservative leanings but...

"I find it hilarious that the people that defended free speech so much in the 60s and 70s are now the same people who whine about anything that is said. Welcome to Ironic USA, land of the new liberal, where your views are not freedom of speech."

Mexicans crossing the border without going through immigration/customs are illegal, if you're under 5'6" you are short, if you weigh more than 30 pounds more than you should for your height you're fat, and if you are missing most of your hair you are bald.



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User currently onlineGuitrThree From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2031 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2072 times:

Quoting SATX (Reply 10):

I have yet to see a single calendar in any store with "winter holiday" on it where Christmas would normally be. You can keep on going until you can name where I can find such a calendar.

Oh quit playing 6 year old games... "show me, show me, show me, or I'm not believing it."

You know as well as anyone, that schools don't have Christmas breaks any more. They are "winter breaks," the same with Easter... all "Spring Breaks" now.. want to see a calendar? If you are a Yahoo user, go view their calendar online. Easter and Thanksgiving are no where to be found. Groundhog day? Yep. MLK day? Yep. April Fools day? Yep. But Easter? Nope.. Thanksgiving? Nope..

Holiday Trees. Spring Bunnies. The list goes on and on and people defend stupidity as "well show me a calendar."

Open you damn eyes and quit defending stupid practices like banning Christmas and Easter.

If you don't like them, don't celebrate them, but don't stop me from doing it.



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User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4773 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2066 times:

PC has gone to far.... does everyone have to be wrapped up in cottonwool?


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User currently offlineSATX From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2840 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2060 times:

Quoting 767Lover (Reply 11):
The problem is when people have their character called into question for saying certain things, or when people are sued for saying such things.

Hmm. That's not the way I see it. For instance, I was glad when Rush Limbaugh was eventually fired from ESPN for seemingly racist comments. I think we could use more of that, personally. In fact I wish ESPN had faced far more flack for bringing in someone they must have known would say something beyond the realm of tasteful and respectful commentary.

Best case scenario is that ESPN knowingly chose to bump up ratings at the expense of common decency. Worse case scenario is that ESPN has a lax attitude toward racism.

Either way they should have been forced to explain their actions and fire whoever hired Rush. Instead, Rush was allowed to paint the situation as an attack from the 'liberal sports media.' Never mind that a 'liberal sports media' would never have hired his racist mouth in the first place.

So far as I can tell, the only people who are really at risk of being singled out by the pro-PC crowd are people who behave like spoiled little children. Since much of the right-wing talking heads fall into that group, I can certainly understand why there is such an anti-PC backlash among conservative Americans.



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User currently onlineGuitrThree From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2031 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2030 times:

Quoting SATX (Reply 16):
For instance, I was glad when Rush Limbaugh was eventually fired from ESPN for seemingly racist comments. I

Really. So you feel its good to fire people for speaking their beliefs, guaranteed under the constitution.

Quoting SATX (Reply 16):
Best case scenario is that ESPN knowingly chose to bump up ratings at the expense of common decency. Worse case scenario is that ESPN has a lax attitude toward racism.

If you actually looked at McNabb's statistics and Playoff results, you would see that the media infact did elevate him. He, at that point, never played up to the likes of Favre, Elway, and the like.

Quoting SATX (Reply 16):
Never mind that a 'liberal sports media' would never have hired his racist mouth in the first place.

Racist Mouth? Ok. If you say so. If he is so racist, how come he lets blacks, i.e., Walter Williams, host his show? Oh, yea, to you, Conservative Blacks aren't really black. Yea.. and he's the racist.

Quoting SATX (Reply 16):

So far as I can tell, the only people who are really at risk of being singled out by the pro-PC crowd are people who behave like spoiled little children.

No.. what I call spoiled little children, are the ones that support the PC-pro crowd that is demanding that Christmas be called "Holiday Season," because it might offend the 5% of the people who actually DON'T celebrate it.

Those 5% of the people can find something else to do Dec 25th.

[Edited 2006-05-01 06:11:05]


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User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 18, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2021 times:

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 17):
He, at that point, never played up to the likes of Favre, Elway, and the like.

He still hasn't nor will he ever play to their level. I guess I'm a non-PC rascist for saying it though.



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User currently offlineSolarix From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2005 times:

Political Correctness is totally out of control and has got to stop! I'm so sick and tired of losing rights just because a small amount of people "might" be offended over something. If they don't like it they can stick it up their ass for all I care.... don't make me change my ways of life to accommodate you!!!

And for the PC crowd, what do you call a black person in Europe or in any other country outside of the US? I hope you aren’t calling them African Americans.


User currently offlineCopaair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2004 times:

The PC movement has just overrun everything. It seems anymore a guy can't say what he wants to say in fear of being labeled as a hater of some group. Its ridiculous. You can't refer to fat people as fat, and stuff like that. Why sugarcoat something that is obvious? It's ridiculous. Hey, I just go on with things, and don't worry about the PC crowd, but its just getting more and more ridiculous. It is especially rampant in this part of CA I live in. I agree with ANCFlyer in that, if you can't handle the criticism, grow a pair and quit being so sensitive. PC is creating more harm than good.

-Copa


User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 21, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1998 times:

Quoting Solarix (Reply 19):
And for the PC crowd, what do you call a black person in Europe or in any other country outside of the US? I hope you aren’t calling them African Americans.

I corrected someone here for calling someone who was a black person from the UK an African American. They kept arguing with me about it and then finally realized the guy wasn't American.

I also am amused at how only black folks can be African Americans but if you are of European descent and raised in Africa you are not considered that. Oh well, liberals and their love of "groups."



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User currently offlineSATX From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2840 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1983 times:

So let me get this strait. Christians are under attack because a few holidays aren't listed on a few company or school calendars? Are you freaking kidding me? 83% of America describes itself as "Christian". You Christians aren't under attack, in fact you have a near complete lock on the American government, so quit trying to play that silly religious persecution card. It just makes you look childish when claim that one of the most pro-Christian countries in the whole world is out to antagonize 83% of its population just because of their religion. Give me a break.

Also, anybody who's fighting for the right to sound like a racist on national television might want to rethink that motivation. I'm all for free speech, but I've had coworkers fired for making comments that could be considered as racist and I have no problem with that. The world is too small and life is too short for that kind of nonsense. The idea that an 83% Christian nation would condone and even sympathize with the right of a talking head to spout racist comments on national television is just sick. If anyone is attacking Christian values, certainly it's all these conservative hatemongers that pepper our supposedly 'liberal' media.



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User currently offlineN229NW From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 32
Reply 23, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1955 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 3):
Can you explain to me how it's okay to have Kwanza on the calendar, Hanukah on the Calendar and then "Winter Holiday" which used to be Christmas.

That particular one rally chaps my ass.

I can explain it: you are comparing apples and oranges. First the apples: Kwanzaa and Hanukah are "marked on the calendar." Open up that calendar and look at December 25th. OMG, what's "marked on the calendar" there? Christmas. Hey, it might even have Orthodox Christmas marked too, on Jan. 6.

And the oranges: many schools now call it "winter break" instead of "Christmas break." Well, that is because the idea is that it covers all of those holidays "marked on the calendar." It isn't called Hankukah break or any other single name either. (But plenty of people still call it Christmas break anyway. Hell, I'm Jewish and I usually call it Christmas break.)

Similarly, when was the last time you bought something at a store and the clerk wished you "Happy Hanukah" Or Eid, or Kwanzaa on the way out? If they say "Happy Holidays" it is because, again, they are trying to avoid a specifc reference to any single holiday, trying to be inclusive and don't know your religion, not because they are trying to wipe out Christmas...

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 2):
Case in point: The term "illegal aliens" is not politically correct.

Well, you make some fine points.

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 2):
if we and our children are to have an America to call home in the future.

But then this kind of ending seems to confirm the suspicion that ultimately it is a knee-jerk reaction. This country has been changing culturally since its inception, and it will keep changing. The sky isn't falling.

Quoting BDKLEZ (Reply 5):
Perhaps, but keep your point short and sweet.

Then don't read it. Sometimes you need more than a soundbite to argue and support your point.

Quoting Solarix (Reply 19):
Political Correctness is totally out of control and has got to stop! I'm so sick and tired of losing rights just because a small amount of people "might" be offended over something. If they don't like it they can stick it up their ass for all I care.... don't make me change my ways of life to accommodate you!!!

That is just the kind of cliched response I am reacting against. Did you actually read the opening post? What "rights" have you actually lost? Please...

Quoting Aloges (Reply 1):
It's been the first time in quite a while that I've read a long post on a.net with great interest until the end.

Thanks!

[Edited 2006-05-01 09:37:34]


It's people like you what cause unrest!
User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 24, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1949 times:

Quoting Copaair737 (Reply 20):
The PC movement has just overrun everything. It seems anymore a guy can't say what he wants to say in fear of being labeled as a hater of some group. Its ridiculous. You can't refer to fat people as fat, and stuff like that. Why sugarcoat something that is obvious? It's ridiculous. Hey, I just go on with things, and don't worry about the PC crowd, but its just getting more and more ridiculous. It is especially rampant in this part of CA I live in. I agree with ANCFlyer in that, if you can't handle the criticism, grow a pair and quit being so sensitive. PC is creating more harm than good.

Very true. But my impression is that not all countries are being too PC about using certain terms. Back home in Germany, we may use many words to describe one thing, however, not with the intend to be politically correct, but rather because it's in the nature of the German language.

As with many things in life, if you take something to extremes, it may backfire on you, and that's what seems to happen with PC in the US most of all. If political correctness is well applied and use without excesses, it may not be as bad. It's same as with alcohol, only without the effects on someone's health.

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 13):
"I find it hilarious that the people that defended free speech so much in the 60s and 70s are now the same people who whine about anything that is said. Welcome to Ironic USA, land of the new liberal, where your views are not freedom of speech."

I tend to agree with that.


25 SATX : Freedom of speech has to do with being arrested. Can you elaborate on who's being arrested and how it helps your case? The PC-movement doesn't result
26 Post contains images ANCFlyer :    Thanks for the verbose, unnecessary, overly PC diatribe . . . I have Jewish friends . . . I don't send them Christmas Cards. They don't send me
27 LTU932 : I said I tend to agree with that, not that I fully agree. Of course, the PC movement doesn't get people arrested, but it restricts them through other
28 Post contains images SATX : Great explanation. Too bad you're talking to a brick wall with a gun.
29 Post contains images Gkirk : Political Correctness is just a load of crap. I should be allowed to say what I want, or celebrate what I want, without fear of offending other people
30 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Fairly profound for you Kirkie - - but your point is simple and well taken. That said, I don't get offended when the neighbors celebrate Kwaanza. So,
31 SATX : Just like I should be able to call a two-week vacation a "winter holiday" without fear of offending a bunch of paranoid Christians?
32 Post contains images Gkirk : Sure, why not? Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. People should not tell other people what to say. P.S. As long as it's in the winter and not
33 SATX : And yet many charter members of the anti-PC brigade are vehemently opposed to companies and government institutions calling the old "Christmas Vacati
34 Gkirk : Ask them why. I only speak for myself.
35 AerospaceFan : Thank you; I appreciate that. I think that the most recent wave of immigration is the first one in which the immigrants expect America to change to a
36 N229NW : You asked for an explanation. Sorry I didn't give you a one-sentence soundbite, and I used big three-syllable words like "December" and "calendar." Y
37 AerospaceFan : I think what ANCFlyer is saying is that schools and corporations have been phasing out the use of terms such as "Merry Christmas" in favor of "Happy
38 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Rhetorical question . . . I'm smarter than some give credit.    Pot Kettle Black Next? Including MERRY CHRISTMAS! Which was the official policy of
39 Gkirk : You see, we don't call people "Pakis" or "Niggers" here, that's just racist, not politically correct, so why you're going down that way I have no ide
40 777236ER : Do you even read what you write? Are you suggesting that people don't have a right to be offended by what you say? And yet you tell people they shoul
41 N229NW : Thanks to politial correctness, people don't do it publically anymore and that is good. On the other hand, recently right here on A.net there was a p
42 Gkirk : Thanks to political correctness, you probably will get people saying Pakis and Niggers. Just watch some Hollywood films, and you'll regularly hear bl
43 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Absolutely nothing at all . . . as long as it's not mandatory. If I feel like saying Merry Christmas, then it should be okay. In many corporate world
44 SATX : & Wow, do you even know what you're talking about anymore? I can't even tell what the heck you're trying to say here. Your line of reasoning is just
45 Post contains images AerospaceFan : And on that, we can agree. My claim would be that taking away from a specific Christmas reference in order to give to a more generalized sentiment re
46 Post contains images Gkirk : Lets try that again then Why N229NW is saying this: I have no idea... Political Correctness is the reason for racism in public dropping? I doubt it.
47 N229NW : That is the worst excuse I have ever heard. You are telling me these people weren't racist to begin with, that only people telling them not to say ra
48 777236ER : Context is everything. A white person calling a black person 'a nigger' isn't insulting in some circumstances. You mean 'programmes', not 'programs',
49 DeltaGator : I do believe you would find the majority of black folks in the States would disagree with you. Of course, it is ok for them to call each other that a
50 ANCFlyer : I would agree . . . . it also means that political correctness should not be the guiding light in everything we say. Being cognizant of others is the
51 777236ER : This is simply bitterness. When you talk about 'them' in such bitter, angry tones, don't you think that's a little bit racist?
52 Cfalk : I think you are right, AerospaceFan, they are not "Immigrants". They came in illegally. It's just like if someone broke into your house and started l
53 7FTwinOtter : It all depends on context, black people calling each other “nigger” as some kind of term of endearment is certainly not racist (although many bla
54 Cfalk : An endearment? OMG that's priceless! Try imagining all the ways you can use ap proper endearment, like "darling". Now replace the word "darling" with
55 777236ER : Surely it's more of a parody? The word 'nigger' is much less offensive in society now than it was in the 70s/80s, isn't that down to the word being '
56 7FTwinOtter : Please note i said "some kind of term of endearment", I personally think its a pathetic word to use in any circumstance, although its kind of funny w
57 Cfalk : Does that mean if I start using the word every day I won't get my ass kicked? Not! As long as black people call each other nigger, or 'bro, or any ot
58 DeltaGator : Nope, I consider it a double standard on their part. Rant on Cfalk! But make sure to breathe a little bit.
59 777236ER : If you use the word 'fuck' all day, every day, you'll get your ass kicked too. I don't want my surgeon turning to his (or her?) nurse and saying 'Sup
60 Post contains images Cfalk : Like I said, I was on a rant, and I'll bring in the neighbor's dog in too if I get the chance That goes for all uneducated people. And I have no pity
61 Falcon84 : Amen, bro. That's where the right-wing fundamentalists get their ammo that this nation is "anti-Christian". If Christmas cannot be said, then fine-ne
62 Post contains images 767Lover :
63 Copaair737 : I do too. It's getting to the point of ridiculous all over the place. One has to watch everything he or she says in an effort to not offend somebody.
64 SATX : I'm sorry, what exactly is your idea of a compromise? It honestly looks like it's the anti-PC crowd that's doing all the demanding on here.
65 Falcon84 : Demanding what? In the case I mentioned, about the sports teams, I want these poeple not even associated with a College or University to just leave w
66 Dougloid : I think you're overstating the case and misunderstanding the cause of action. If you think about it, the issue is whether there is 'race discriminati
67 BA747YYZ : I'm sick of political correctness!
68 SATX : Let's start from the top, shall we? Followed by... Followed by... So, your "compromise" is for the other side to simply go away and never come back? P
69 Falcon84 : Didn't say that. I responded only to your view that the majority side was demanding. A compromise, would be, say, in the situation of the Cleveland I
70 SATX : In all honesty, I don't think that would go over very well. It just doesn't sound like much of a compromise to me. I really don't think it's merely t
71 Falcon84 : I rest my case. Thank you for proving my point.
72 SATX : Eh? Don't get ahead of yourself. You layed out a minor consession and then called it a compromise. How does that prove anything? I'm not sure who's e
73 Falcon84 : Excuse me, but that's a legit compromise. The PC crowed gets rid of Chief Wahoo, but Indians' fans keep the name of the team that's been there for al
74 Copaair737 : His idea, and the idea of most of the PC pundits would be to make every team have a PC name. Its ridiculous. I could understand if it was something o
75 DeltaGator : Not in the eyes of the black leadership today. Only Sub-Saharan folks with dark skin count. There was an incident sometime last year where a kid who
76 Post contains images YAK42 : I really feel for you. They come down from the sky to make money out of your good country and take all the burger flipping jobs from the african amer
77 Post contains images AerospaceFan : What's wrong with burger-flipping jobs? They are, by and large, entry-level jobs that many Americans have used before stepping up to something better
78 YAK42 : I just find it funny you insisted on the word "alien" when to me it means green man from outer space. As if "alien" was somehow a suitably damming wor
79 Post contains images AerospaceFan : "Alien" is a funny word, I must admit.   And yet, it's a word that means a lot in terms of immigration. It means that you haven't sworn allegiance t
80 Post contains images YAK42 : As you can probably imagine this issue is not one that i feel strongly about one way or the other, but this kind of thing generally goes with the ter
81 Post contains images AerospaceFan : ^^Those kind of illegal aliens would probably call on reinforcements from the Zeta Reticula system, and then where would we be?
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