Superfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 38485 posts, RR: 80 Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2033 times:
Two different topics. Mines is more descriptive and has historical significance.
The rally of support for our immigrant brothers & sisters is something new and different. It just takes place on the same day.
Thinly veiled IMO . . . since the questions asked in the thread opener are nearly identical . . . but doesn't really matter to me my friend. As I said, today means absolutely zippo to me . . . I'll wait on Labor Day . . . the sanctioned, recognized, official US Holiday to take my day off . . . thanks.
AerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 9, posted (7 years 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2003 times:
I think we've become a society sadly lacking in the recognition of worker's rights, so although I sometimes consider myself conservative in the area of employment, I have no great objection to the celebration of the working man (or woman).
The working man, after all, was once the great beneficiary of the Democratic Party, although seemingly not in these days of ours.
We can sing the praises of capitalism, and bosses and professionals and billionaires, the other 364 days of the week. Call me crazy, but a slight tip of the hat to the vast majority who aren't captains of industry shouldn't be any cause for concern.
Citizens of America, unite! You have nothing to lose, but your apathy.
DeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 16 Reply 10, posted (7 years 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1991 times:
I'll wait for Labor Day and combine it with my birthday.
I had a coworker who was on a project at the Board of Trade in Chicago and was there for May Day a few years back. He flew in on Monday morning and the normal car service to downtown showed up with a monster stretch limo to pick him up. As they pulled up to the CBOT the folks out protesting or rallying started to rock and shake the car. The driver had to speed off before they drug my coworkers capitalistic butt out of the limo.
"If you can't delight in the misery of others then you don't deserve to be a college football fan."
AerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 12, posted (7 years 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1983 times:
Yeah, there are nuts all over, Delta. It's a damned shame.
Don't get me wrong -- I'm not about to take the day off and I reject the notion of celebrating May Day other than to say that celebrating labor has its merits. The Communist connection alone makes the day largely unpalatable to me.
But, again, I take this opportunity to tweak the noses of the more fortunate among us, myself not excluded, including the Democrats, including the Republicans, in the name of those who do what we don't have to do, for whatever reason. And I acknowledge the hard work of Americans -- Americans, mind you, and not illegals -- in this country who over the hundreds of years of our national existence have labored, whether voluntarily or not, to make a life of themselves and to help build this country through the sweat of their brow.
Sure, their efforts would be for naught other than subsistence if not for capitalism. But, as Jesus preaches, blessed too are the poor and the humble, for they shall inherit the Earth.
There is nothing wrong, in my view, in the celebration of good and honest labor, whether it be on May Day, or on Labor Day, or both.
By the way, a prospective Happy Birthday to you, Delta.
Hamfist From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 614 posts, RR: 4 Reply 13, posted (7 years 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1971 times:
Well, if the "Day Without Immigrants" theme is truly going to be appreciated, then in addition to not going to work and not going to school, maybe they can NOT go to any emergency rooms, NOT use any government assistance and NOT get arrested -- then we can get a fair assessment of their economic impact!
JGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 14, posted (7 years 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1960 times:
Am I the only one who sees the irony of a public holiday on International Workers Day ? Let's all celebrate Workers Day by, erm, not actually working.
I'm at home but I've been doing some work anyway (thanks to my new and shiny wireless internet access WOOOHOOO !) - have to prep for a trip to Morocco tomorrow. Come to think of it, that's even MORE ironic - working on International Workers Day and NOT GETTING PAID
DL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11433 posts, RR: 81 Reply 16, posted (7 years 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1912 times:
I'm at work......celebrating the fact that I've got the greatest opportunities in history for individuals willing to work and take risks.
My mother, the immigrant, is at work three blocks from here doing the same thing.
My employee the ,latino immigrant, is doing the same thing the next office over.....(although he did send us all an email indicating he'd like the afternoon off since he wasn't bothering to go picket in the general demonstration....he couldn't keep a straight face prior to us finishing the thing).
I hope all you people who want to take May Day off remember that it was begun as a memorial to the Haymarket Riot, which was peaceful until an anarchist threw a bomb at the police and murdered several policemen. The anarchists and their descendents who later blew up the statue continually revise history to try and play this as a great feat of organized labor, but it's always been a Communist/Socialist contrivance of a celebration designed to make the worker class feel like they care about them.
Confuscius From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 3633 posts, RR: 2 Reply 17, posted (7 years 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1900 times:
Dear Comrade Superfly:
Workers of the world, unite!
Down with Capitalist running dogs!
Let us sing...
Arise ye starvelings [or workers] from your slumbers
Arise ye criminals of want
For reason in revolt now thunders
and at last ends the age of cant.
Now away with all your superstitions
Servile masses arise, arise!
We'll change forthwith [or henceforth] the old conditions
And spurn the dust to win the prize.
Then come comrades rally
And the last fight let us face
Unites the human race. (repeat).
We peasants, artisans and others,
Enrolled amongst the sons of toil
Let's claim the earth henceforth for brothers
Drive the indolent from the soil.
On our flesh for too long has fed the raven
We've too long been the vultures prey.
But now farewell to spirit craven
The dawn brings in a brighter day.
No saviour from on high delivers
No trust we have in prince or peer
Our own right hand the chains must shiver
Chains of hatred, greed and fear.
Ere the thieves will out with their booty
And to all give a happier lot.
Each at his forge must do his duty
And strike the iron while its hot.
Superfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 38485 posts, RR: 80 Reply 19, posted (7 years 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1873 times:
Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 9): I think we've become a society sadly lacking in the recognition of worker's rights, so although I sometimes consider myself conservative in the area of employment, I have no great objection to the celebration of the working man (or woman).
Our society has been 'conditioned' to shun any sort of celebration or honor of the working class. We are 'conditioned' to praise those of wealth.
AerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 24, posted (7 years 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1826 times:
Quoting JeffM (Reply 23): So do I. It's the illegal ones I don't value.
Agreed. I don't even consider them "American", so by definition they don't fall within the ambit of the workers in America whom I respect. Illegals are foreigners.
Unlikes the Roman Catholic Church, American citizens and legal residents don't believe that citizenship is meaningless when it comes to whether people are entitled to work in this country.
Whenever I see someone who is probably an illegal doing construction work, for example, even though I personally have never done construction work and wouldn't qualify for any such work, I see not someone who is hard at work, but someone who isn't: An American that the illegal has replaced. Part of supporting the American worker is cracking down on illegals, deporting them, and making sure that construction and other so-called jobs that Americans allegedly won't do pay decent wages under legal conditions.
Employers who hire illegals should take note that they are trampling upon the rights of legal workers. Republicans, and Democrats, who support the causes of illegals essentially support the practices of these employers and betray the common working man in the name of their own interests. Perhaps it could be understood why pro-business Republicans are so badly misled as to engage in such support; far less understandable is why the Democrats of today are so much in favor of illegals, doing backflips and spouting verbal concatenations to avoid the central issue of the gross unfairness resulting from placing the interests of illegals above those of legitimate U.S. workers.
[Edited 2006-05-02 01:43:16]
25 Superfly: Technically, anyone from North, Central and South America is an 'American". I think you meant 'U.S. Citizen. Anyone bickering about what should or wh
26 JeffM: Of course not. Why the hell should they? Even your Liberal ass should know why. If corporations aren't making money, the Government gets less tax mon
27 ANCFlyer: Well said . . . . plain, simple, and spot fuckin' on. And they are if news accounts are true to form . . .
28 UAL777: My wife is Colombian and I don't like illegals. Why you ask? Because it is because of them I must wait 6-18 months for my wife's visa to clear. I thi
29 Superfly: I certainly know why. That's why I am not making an ass out of myself by building walls or joining any stupid Minuteman groups. Man, your funny! Jeff
30 Superfly: That would piss off big business. Don't you get it?
31 Gunsontheroof: Some people have a difficult time acknowledging that illegal immigrant labor is in the interest of big businesses. The local college station had a gr
32 Superfly: Well said. That goes back to what I was saying earlier about our society being 'conditioned' to praise those of wealth and big business. The anti-ill
33 Psa53: And small business,too.I know some business employing help below minimum wage,$4.00-5.00 per hour.List a sector of business: Landscaping,construction
34 Gunsontheroof: Very true. It seems like everyone who lives in the neighborhood I grew up in has Mexican workers mowing their lawns, pruning their hedges, etc. Big b
35 MD11Engineer: Well, in Germany farmers have for many years tried to get unemployed Germans to help them harvesting vegetables. Most Germans refuse and those who get