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Hatred And Racism On Anet  
User currently offlineMiCorazonAzul From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3141 times:

I am sickened by the amount of racism and hatred being expressed in the non-aviation forum yet it is going unnoticed by the mods. While I agree with people being able to express their opinion, there is a FINE LINE that many have crossed. The immigration situation has become a punching bag for these "ultra-American" members that have taken every chance to express their hate towards my people. I am saddened that such garbage is being allowed on anet as I THOUGHT the rules were greatly enforced. But of course if I post something about jetblue and bliss spa, I get my post deleted and labeled as "advertisment". Yet these fools can make every racist remark they can and get away with it.

Why is it being tolerated?

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User currently offlineFlyfisher1976 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 804 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3130 times:

I'm sure moderators don't have time to reveiw everything that is said in every thread. That is what the "suggest deletion" button is for.

User currently offlineWhyWhyZed From Canada, joined Jan 2005, 914 posts, RR: 16
Reply 2, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3124 times:

Quoting MiCorazonAzul (Thread starter):

I know one of the reasons why you made this thread was because of luv2fly's comment made in the YYZ Meet thread. Why take it personally, however? Laugh it off, especially since thats not even the scenario anymore.

- Jason DePodesta


User currently offlineMiCorazonAzul From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3109 times:

Quoting Flyfisher1976 (Reply 1):
I'm sure moderators don't have time to reveiw everything that is said in every thread. That is what the "suggest deletion" button is for.

THat would mean going post by post in EVERY single immigration related thread....with no response from mods.

Quoting WhyWhyZed (Reply 2):

I know one of the reasons why you made this thread was because of luv2fly's comment made in the YYZ Meet thread. Why take it personally, however? Laugh it off, especially since thats not even the scenario anymore.

Actually, it has nothing to do with that. This thread is directly about the threads regarding immigration and Mexico.


User currently offlineMiamiair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3108 times:

Maybe their viewpoint and yours aren't the same and you don't like it. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions. If it violates the rules, then the appropriate action should be taken. Why don't you provide a link to the posts?

[Edited 2006-05-01 17:39:39]

User currently offlineWhyWhyZed From Canada, joined Jan 2005, 914 posts, RR: 16
Reply 5, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3105 times:

Quoting MiCorazonAzul (Reply 3):
THat would mean going post by post in EVERY single immigration related thread....with no response from mods.

why don't you suggest deletion to one of the replies, and leave a comment stating your views and what you would to see be done to the thread. It'd make both yours and the mods job a bit easier.

Quoting Miamiair (Reply 4):
Maybe their viewpoint and yours aren't the same and you don't like it. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions.

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- Jason DePodesta


User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 29
Reply 6, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3093 times:

Quoting Miamiair (Reply 4):
Why don't you provide a link to the posts?

I'll assume you are just exaggerating until I see what you are talking about.

Harry



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User currently offlineCtbarnes From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3491 posts, RR: 50
Reply 7, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3077 times:

Honestly, the immegration threads I have read (and participated in) do not seem racist to me. There is a lot of emotion and a lot of passion on all sides of the debate, but I don't think I'd go as far as to say there is the kind of systematic and pervasive hatred racism implies.

Charles, SJ



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User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 29
Reply 8, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3074 times:

Quoting Ctbarnes (Reply 7):

I think a lot of people get easily offended when people talk about their country, and then have a knee-jerk reaction and call it racism. Racism is one of the most over-used buzz words.

Harry



Why grab a Heine when you can grab a Busch?
User currently offlineMKEdude From South Korea, joined May 2005, 1011 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3054 times:

Obviously racism should not be tolerated in the forums. If you see an example, report it, right away. However a blanket accusation of racism helps nobody. It only serves to tarnish the reps of those who may have disagreed with you in the past. Thus leaving the community at large to speculate as to who is the guilty party, without the benifit of evidence.

As has been mentioned before the mods can't be everywhere at once, so we all have to do a better job of keeping this a safe place to exchange ideas. But a generic charge of "Hatred And Racism On Anet" without any specifics is just irresponsible.



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User currently offlineFlyfisher1976 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 804 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3034 times:

Quoting MiCorazonAzul (Reply 3):
THat would mean going post by post in EVERY single immigration related thread....

Yes, that's what it would mean. Hopefully you don't plan on wasting much time trolling individual threads for offensive material. I'm sure you've got better things to do.


User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3030 times:

As the old saying goes, "Opinions are like assholes. Everyone's got one and they stink."

As for MiCoriazonAzul's claims of racism in these threads, show some examples. Looking through some of the more recent threads in the issue, I see no sort of racist remarks in these threads. So unless you can show some examples, like someone referring to Mexicans using a racial slur, your racism claim rings hollow.


User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24936 posts, RR: 56
Reply 12, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3025 times:

Use the suggest deletion button. I doubt the mods have the time to look through every single post on a.net


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User currently offlineAirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3704 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2997 times:
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Quoting MiCorazonAzul (Thread starter):
The immigration situation has become a punching bag for these "ultra-American" members that have taken every chance to express their hate towards my people.

I don't think that the threads have been racist. As far as "your people" go, they're welcome here, just come the legal way. I think that the basic sentiment is that people aren't against the immigrants, they are against them illegally entering the country.



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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2930 times:

Racism . . . .

An overly abused, quickly written word . . . . used when the poster of said word doesn't have any other argument to make and becomes frustrated and just wants to be heard.

Illegal Immigration threads aren't racist, they're about illegal immigration. I've participated in all those threads. Not one have I seen written a description of an illegal immigrant as anything but an Illegal Immigrant. That's not racist, that's fact. Period. It doesn't matter what "race" and illegal immigrant is - as we are all, like it or not, members of the human race. That fact is, they are illegal immigrants. Race is irrelevent. Their status as illegal immigrants is.


User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24936 posts, RR: 56
Reply 15, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2928 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 14):
Racism . . . .

An overly abused, quickly written word . . . . used when the poster of said word doesn't have any other argument to make and becomes frustrated and just wants to be heard.

Perhaps.
Although I haven't seen any racist comments, I have seen quite a few times now, that quite a few Americans seem to have something against Mexicans working in their country.



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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2921 times:

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 15):
that quite a few Americans seem to have something against Mexicans working in their country.

ILLEGAL immigrants Kirk, be they Mexican, Italian, or Scottish. I have yet to read anything, from anyone, American or otherwise, that has a problem with LEGAL immigrants working in this country . . .

That's not racist. That's illegal immigration.


User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24936 posts, RR: 56
Reply 17, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2904 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 16):
ILLEGAL immigrants Kirk, be they Mexican, Italian, or Scottish. I have yet to read anything, from anyone, American or otherwise, that has a problem with LEGAL immigrants working in this country . . .

That's not racist. That's illegal immigration.

Yes, but there also appears to be some members who think badly about LEGAL immigrants. I'll see if I can find a recent example...



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User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 29
Reply 18, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2901 times:

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 17):

I'll see if I can find a recent example...

Should have done that first before posting.

Harry



Why grab a Heine when you can grab a Busch?
User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24936 posts, RR: 56
Reply 19, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks ago) and read 2878 times:

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 18):
Should have done that first before posting.

Should also have said that there is quite a lot of anti USA posts going about as well



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User currently offlineUnited737522 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2869 times:

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 18):
Quoting Gkirk (Reply 17):

I'll see if I can find a recent example...


Should have done that first before posting.

Harry

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User currently offlineMiCorazonAzul From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2847 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 16):
ILLEGAL immigrants Kirk, be they Mexican, Italian, or Scottish. I have yet to read anything, from anyone, American or otherwise, that has a problem with LEGAL immigrants working in this country . . .

That's not racist. That's illegal immigration.

so the fact that they are "illegal" means you and the others can go all out and insult them? They ARE humans and therefore have rights just like you and me. Just because they weren't born in your almighty USA doesn't make them any different....at the end of the day, they are HUMAN and deserve respect.


User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 29
Reply 22, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2834 times:

Quoting MiCorazonAzul (Reply 21):

so the fact that they are "illegal" means you and the others can go all out and insult them?

I can go insult people all I want, doesn't make me racist. I would be at worst an asshole.

Quoting MiCorazonAzul (Reply 21):
at the end of the day, they are HUMAN and deserve respect.

I don't respect anyone that doesn't respect my nation's laws.

Harry



Why grab a Heine when you can grab a Busch?
User currently offlineUH60FtRucker From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2830 times:

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 22):
I can go insult people all I want, doesn't make me racist. I would be at worst an asshole.

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Right. MiCorazonAzul, I think you are mistaking the meaning of the word "racism." Harry is right... insulting someone is not being racist.

Quoting MiCorazonAzul (Reply 21):
Just because they weren't born in your almighty USA

WHAT!? Are you being racist against America!? You're insulting Americans and thus... by your logic... being RACIST! HOW DARE YOU!! APOLOGIZE IMMEDIATELY!

But seriously... you keep speaking about all of this racism... well show us a few examples. Until then... this thread is  redflag 

-UH60


User currently offlineVC-10 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 1999, 3701 posts, RR: 34
Reply 24, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2826 times:
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I'm moving this to the non-av forum as it is a discussion of a more general nature rather than site related.

If anyone sees a racist post just suggest deletion and it will be reviewed. We cannot possibly read every post made in the course of each day.


25 Post contains images KaiGywer : Well, maybe not the Scots Where they are from, or if they are here legally. But, breaking the laws make them different. That makes them criminals. I
26 DeltaGator : Yes it is. Rascism is the belief and practice of one race being genetically superior to another race. If I were to say that Hispanics were in our cou
27 Post contains images Texan : Kirkie, that is completely false! Mexicans are great workers and people! It's those damn lazy Canadians that really piss me off And by the way, that
28 Post contains images Ctbarnes : Not to mention keeping the world safe from Celine Dion and Tim Hortons!  Hmm... If we're talking Canadian cultural hegemony, we might as well throw
29 BA747YYZ : I don't think people hate Mexicans, I think they hate the fact that Mexicans are invading the US and violating its soverignty Quite Right! You are co
30 Post contains images Derico : It would also hold no ground because the hispanic race in fact does not exist... This year I was involved in my most heated discussion ever here in n
31 Redngold : Being concerned about people who cross the border illegally or remain in the country illegally - and then expect the same rights and privileges as tho
32 DeltaGator : The US Government and many job applications here in the States would disagree with you. If Hispanics aren't a separate race what race do you consider
33 Post contains images Jafa39 : That's a bit of an assumption, I've had posts deleted because people objected to the content..so I know it works. You're spot-on there! Shouldn't you
34 Post contains images Derico : I'll gladly send you a private message explaining why this is not so, EVEN if the all-mighty US government claims it is...
35 L-188 : About a week ago I was accused of being a racist by one of our south of the border members (Not Canada). It was in the thread about Mexico legalizing
36 N766UA : So... illegal immigration is A-OK but me expressing my views on it isn't? Okkaaayy...
37 AR385 : Referr to my answer to your post an your synapses may start to understand why I thought it was a racist, bigot and bad joke. I was th one "South of t
38 Newark777 : Maybe if more Mexicans didn't try to enter the USA every day illegally, we would be more welcoming of your people. That's your opinion. L-188, myself
39 DeltaGator : That's BS and you know it. If you are here legally and you run across discrimination then shame on them for being narrow minded. I would hope in toda
40 Post contains images LTBEWR : There have been times when at this and other board sites I go to that I have put in a delete request with my reasoning for where race, ethnic, religio
41 MDorBust : There better be some very good support comeing to any claim that hispanic peoples are not welcomed in the United States or this is nothing more that
42 Post contains images Jafa39 : OMG!! That's terrible! ban them all I say!!!
43 NWA742 : No, they don't have rights just like you and me. They are not here legally, they are criminals, they have no respect for our own rules and laws. Use
44 L-188 : Well I'll give you the bad joke....sort of a dark humor comment. I am in Alaska.....South of the Border means British Columbia. I think that has a lo
45 Post contains images Boeingfanyyz : Well, if it bugs you that much, then do it! I dont see your argument. Sometimes the truth is not pretty, and some members decide to bring it up. Chee
46 Newark777 : Well, they do have Constitutional rights, as they are not limited just to citizens, but... This is absolutely correct. Harry
47 BA747YYZ : Seeing as Canada is not south of the US, that is geographically inncorrect I hope this is not an example of the Mexican education system otherwise yo
48 Post contains images Newark777 : He's from Alaska. I didn't say that! Just for the record, you clicked the "Quote Selected Text" button in my post, which is below the intended one, w
49 BA747YYZ : Makes sense now Sorry I was looking for the original text but could not find it
50 ANCFlyer : I have come to know that what ever AR385 seems to post is either flamebait or unsubstantiated . . . and when cornered or asked a direct question the
51 MiCorazonAzul : Well, I refuse to go post by post and reply to each and everyone of you so I will say the following. You guys claim that this is all about my people b
52 NWA742 : Why you do keep putting the word 'illegally' in quotations like that? Illegal is illegal.........you know, as in, not being legal....illegally. Not l
53 NWA742 : Doesn't matter where he lives, he's still playing the race card. -NWA742
54 S12PPL : The only problem I have with imigrants coming to this country, is when they do it illegally. They sneak in. They live off of our welfare system. They
55 Ctbarnes : So, to carry this to its logical conclusion, if we buy tomatoes, or a shirt produced by illegal immegrants does that make all 250 million of us crimi
56 CasInterest : Biggest problem with the whole thread is that the submitter is mistaking racism for nationalism, and confusing himself about legal vs illegal. In the
57 Newark777 : You are right. They are criminals. You surely aren't going to be treated nicely for breaking the law. Which is covered very well in the US Constituti
58 S12PPL : Oh, dont' even go there. This is America. If they were to start burning American flags IN AMERICA, all hell would break lose. This isn't Mexico.
59 Post contains images MDorBust : There is a legal way to enter the United States, no need to create one. When they choose not to use the legal way, yes the conversation does turn to
60 Ctbarnes : Er, I think that's what they are doing. They are working, making a major net contribution to the economy, paying taxes, all so you can buy cheap toma
61 Newark777 : Very well said. If you do this knowing that they are illegal, yes. Harry
62 Ctbarnes : And how, precisely, do you tell? Look for the union label? Charles, SJ
63 TIA : I was one of the people who expressed my opposition to bi-lingual anything in the US, and I don't think that is racist at all. English is the language
64 DeltaGator : It works for other countries so I don't see why it won't work here if implemented correctly. Because they are criminals and take the easy way out in
65 PSA727 : Oh give me a f**king break!!! If they were respecting our culture as much as you say they are, then I don't think this would even be a political issu
66 Ctbarnes : But to use your logic there would have to be. Charles, SJ
67 Newark777 : If I go to Wendy's and struggle to order a burger with the guy who knows no English, it is not my responsibility to check his immigration status. If
68 ANCFlyer : Lets do that then . . . lets discuss how we can make it LEGAL for "your people" (racist?)and any other illegal immigrants to stay and work in the US.
69 Ctbarnes : Nor does it necessarily follow such a person is here illegally if they do not speak English. Charles, SJ
70 Ctbarnes : Except you said above: If we buy such goods we are enabling illegal immegration by creating a demand for the cheap goods they produce, no? Charles, S
71 Newark777 : Did I say that? All I'm saying is that trying to order fast food these days is an effort in futility. Harry
72 Newark777 : Creating a demand is simply that, creating a demand. Corporations filling that demand by committing crimes (hiring illegals) is where the crime is co
73 ANCFlyer : No. Said demand would be there with or without an illegal immigrant in the equation. Whether or not an illegal immigrant was involved in the handlnig
74 Ctbarnes : Except that those cheap goods are possible because of those very same illegal immegrants. So, to use your own logic, you are breaking the law because
75 Ctbarnes : Except without them you'd be paying Calvin Klein prices for Fruit of the Loom. Charles, SJ
76 Ctbarnes : I do just fine and I don't speak Spanish, either. Could the problem be with your own pr...? No, I'll stop there. I'm not that uncharitable. Charles,
77 DeltaGator : There is a difference between DeFacto and DeJure. There is no written law, DeJure, stating English is the official language. There is an understandin
78 ANCFlyer : I realize that fully. That was not your question. I would also be paying $2 a tomato . . . . which means $4 up here, since they're already $2 a piece
79 Post contains images Ctbarnes : California, Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas and Colorado all used to be part of Mexico, until the US marched in and took over. Order your Berlitz
80 DeltaGator : They lost, we won. To the victor go the spoils...and the right to dictate the spoken language.
81 MDorBust : Excuse me? The US didn't do any marching into Texas and takeing of it from Mexico.
82 Post contains images YOWza : To say there is no racism on A.net would simply be burying one's head in the sand. But let's address the particular issue of ILLEGAL immigrants in the
83 Ctbarnes : The problem with that line of reasoning is that the law is not an end in itself. That is not the legal tradition in this country, particularly as thi
84 Post contains links Ctbarnes : Yeah, just ask the people in Quebec. http://www.pbs.org/kera/usmexicanwar...ude/jp_jp_and_the_mexican_war.html Charles, SJ
85 DeltaGator : Perhaps but... Why should you be protected by the very Constitution that you give two shits about? If you are breaking the law you should be treated
86 AR385 : Not true, even legal immigrants are turned back at the legal points of entry. Go stand at the end of the immigration lines in most of your big city a
87 Ctbarnes : Because it is the moral thing to do. Can a law be unjust? Charles, SJ
88 Boeing7E7 : And if they expelled half the energy correcting the problems in their own country as they do crying about alleged rights in the US they wouldn't have
89 DeltaGator : The moral thing to do is round them up and send them back home with a smack on the ass and a "thanks for stopping by but next time play by the rules"
90 ANCFlyer : Charles, damn good post, and I've considered all the points you bring to the table, in the past and as we speak. Further exacerbating the problem is t
91 AR385 : Ok, since this has gone on for two days and we are still at it. I propose the following. ANCflyier, take note. Anybody of you who wants to come to Mex
92 TIA : And where did I say that the US has an "official" language? All I said was that English was the language of the US, which is true, whether you like i
93 ANCFlyer : What is the point of said visit? I like Mexico, some really great places to visit. Good friend of mine lives near Puerto Villarta. Wanna know somethi
94 Maury : Perhaps the right word is "marginalizing." A lot of that behavior goes on here, and probably a lot is done by people who don't know they're doing it.
95 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Nuf said.
96 Post contains images MDorBust : From the link: "Negotiations might have been possible if Polk had tried a different approach. Mexico had refused to recognize either the independence
97 AndesSMF : OK, guys, lets not descend into further chaos and read some of the posts before descending into namecalling. On a previous post, AR385 was discussing
98 Newark777 : Your point? It's hard to get into the USA, and it is not your right by any stretch of the imagination to come here. It's a joke to me, though, and I
99 AR385 : Not really, I'm not into visiting bitter Alaskan frustrated cops. So frustrated and damaged, in fact, that they have to be insulting when a real, sin
100 AerospaceFan : Legality is an issue that salves many injuries. I've said repeatedly, and I say again: Legal immigration is part of what makes this country great. Wit
101 YOWza : Seriously is it not time that we locked this thread down? We're not getting anywhere and if anything this thread if promoting hatred rather than simpl
102 AerospaceFan : I hope that folks will realize that there will always be a certain amount of resentment when laws are broken and borders are disregarded. But I do th
103 Newark777 : You seemed to be sick already. In the head. Harry
104 AerospaceFan : Errata re: Reply 103: I wrote, "The problems and consequences created by illegal immigration therefore has nothing to do with race. It has to do with
105 AR385 : Ok, let's comment. Just because my last name was Gonzalez, and the overgrown Jabba the Hutt lady I got at IAH would refuse to believe my passport was
106 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Look, I didn't invite you anywhere. Lets go through this again . . . really slow. You said: To which I replied: I rather took that as an invitation s
107 Post contains links ANCFlyer : Just a few tidbits from but one news source. . . http://www.kfoxtv.com/bordersecurity/9001875/detail.html The consulate says Mendoza was using U.S. ro
108 AR385 : Sorry, old man, Alaska is part of my country and I don't need a welcome from you to go there. However, I can always do with a nice chauffeur with som
109 DeltaGator : Something fishy here. Why would you have a temporary visa for the US if you are an American citizen or as you say in reply # 106...? So I ask you to
110 Post contains images Texan : Guess we should shut down Walmart, Tyson Foods, the fruit and vegetable coops in Texas and California, Yum! Brands (Taco Bell, etc), and all the othe
111 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Ha Ha Ha . . . I think you need to read the whole series on that particular post so you can put it in to context . . . Danged Bleeding Heart Liberals
112 Miamiair : Here's a couple of things that annoy me about illegal immigration/immigrants: A couple(not married) but the female was pregnant(7.5 months), came to v
113 Post contains images Texan : Pep, I read that and know you understand it, I just do not think that most people understand the ramifications. And while there would still be a dema
114 NIKV69 : Very true. I agree that we need to do something about illegals just running across the border but this society has become dependant on them. The fact
115 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Good post Nik . . . I don't think anyone disputes the fact that immigrants are integral to this country. . . I think the primary bone of contention h
116 NIKV69 : Thanks Pep, you too. Your very right. The paternal side of my family immigrated here. Only my dad was born here. My grandparents came here legally an
117 KaiGywer : Do you want me to go on?
118 Post contains images MattRB : If the shoe fits, Ed.. you cross the border at anywhere but a designed border patrol area without proper identification/visa, you're an illegal immig
119 Cfalk : Oh, man, that really tees me off. We (and the rest of the country) are having a serious debate as to whether or not a nation has thre right to police
120 KaiGywer : Not quite the example you were looking for, but Norway borders Russia, and that border is heavily guarded. Only soldiers (except for the guys protect
121 Post contains images Ctbarnes : Definately not an edifying thought at 7:30 in the morning. Charles, SJ
122 777236ER : I'm not touching this other than to say, a country has a right to impose its own immigration policy. The immigration policy of the US doesn't seem to
123 Post contains images CO7e7 : True... It is not very easy to get a visa, but at the same time it's NOT impossible! I have been a legal immigrant in the USA for the last 5 years. N
124 Ctbarnes : Pakistan, and the border with Afghanistan. Osama bin Ladin and his cronies have been rumored to have slipped back and forth across the boarder for th
125 MDorBust : The Texas Revolutioin began with the battle of Gonzalez, where quite to the contrary of your post, Mexico attack Texas. James Polk, by the way, was N
126 Newark777 : I'm not talking about you, I'm talking about Mexicans in general, and I really don't give a damn about you or your court cases. You can't even provid
127 KaiGywer : Both Pakistan and Afghanistan are fairly poor. Cfalk said rich and poor in relation to each other.
128 Post contains images AGM100 : Hatred Racism ?? Wow , have I missed it or what ? I view NonAv very often and do not see much Hatred and Racism ? Generally speaking the members here
129 Diamond : This thread has run its course, and already contains numerous posts that are in violation of forum rules. Since it has gained 128 responses, it will b
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