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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40070 posts, RR: 74
Posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5728 times:

Srbmod:
Thanks for the link.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrysler_K_platform


Srbmod:
Thanks for the link.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrysler_K_platform

OK, I’ll admit that I have an unhealthy fascination with Chrysler K-cars.  banghead 
Despite poor reliability, I really like the ‘look’ of a lot of Chrysler/Dodge/Plymouth K-cars. I think that style-wise, these cars were magnificent but came up short in reliability and engineering wise. I used to own a 1987 Chrysler LeBaron convertible (pictured below).
Great ‘looking’ car but the front-drive 2.2 turbo I engine was a very bad idea. It would have been great if it was rear-drive and had a 318cu” V8. Then Chrysler would have had a serious competitor to the Ford Mustang and Pontiac Firebird Trans Am.

I liked the verbal alert system, digital instrument gauges, wood grain dash, Corinthian leather interior, chrome grille, concealed headlights and full-width horizontal tail lights.

Some K-based cars came with a HEMI.
OK it was a 2.6 liter 4cylinder hemi but it still qualifies.
That was probably the most reliable engine and the most powerful but only put out 110 HP. However there was the 2.2 IROC Daytona turbo that came with the 1992-1993 Spirit that put out 220 HP.
The largest engine was the 3.8 V6 offered in the Imperial and 5th Avenue in the early 1990s

Any other current or former K-car owners?







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The Chrysler TC was interesting.
An American brand with Maserati interior (Italy) an doptional Mitsubishi V6 engine (Japan)
A true international exotic sports car.  yes 
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Can you believe there was a stretched limosine K-car from the factory?  Wow!
1983-1986.
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User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5714 times:

Quoting Superfly (Thread starter):
OK, I’ll admit that I have an unhealthy fascination with Chrysler K-cars.

It appears so.  biggrin 

Quoting Superfly (Thread starter):
Corinthian leather interior

Ah yes, the rich Corinthian leather. I can hear Ricardo Montalban now.

We never had one but we did have a huge Dodge van from the 70s and a super sexy Cadillac ElDorado with full pimp treatment.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40070 posts, RR: 74
Reply 2, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5706 times:

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 1):
It appears so.

I know they are a total punching bag.

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 1):
and a super sexy Cadillac ElDorado with full pimp treatment.

What year?
Was it a Biraritz?



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User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5704 times:

A 1984 ElDorado. it was black with red leather interior, dark tinted windows, wire rims, and those glorious curb feelers. It was not a Biaritz model though. Other than the brushed metal roof what did that version offer?

For whatever reason one night we drove up South Orange Blossom Trail in Orlando and got lots of catcalls from pimps and hookers. It was such a wonderful family experience!



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User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12281 posts, RR: 35
Reply 4, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5700 times:
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We have a 93 Dodge Spirit sitting in my driveway. Blew the head gasket last fall and haven't gotten around to throwing it away yet. Maybe I should try my mechanical skills and try changing it myself. Probably more issues than that now though, after sitting for 6 months.

Oh, my wife used to have a Dodge Lancer. I have a Dodge Intrepid. We don't even buy Dodges on purpose, it just happens that way.



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User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 30
Reply 5, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5697 times:

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 3):
It was such a wonderful family experience!

 rotfl 



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User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8956 posts, RR: 60
Reply 6, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5689 times:
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The K-car kept going strong in Planes, Trains, and Automobiles:






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User currently offlineIAH777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 0 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5689 times:

My God, the LeBaron was such a chick car. I don't think I've ever seen a dude driving one...  biggrin 

User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40070 posts, RR: 74
Reply 8, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5689 times:

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 4):
Blew the head gasket last fall and haven't gotten around to throwing it away yet.

LOL! Big grin

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 4):
Maybe I should try my mechanical skills and try changing it myself.

It ain't worth it.  no 

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 3):
Other than the brushed metal roof what did that version offer?

Sounds like you guys had everything other than a convertible. That's the only other option on the list that wasn't checked off.
Some brushed stainless steel tops still had the power glass moonroof option.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40070 posts, RR: 74
Reply 9, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5687 times:

Quoting IAH777 (Reply 7):
My God, the LeBaron was such a chick car. I don't think I've ever seen a dude driving one...

Hey, hey!
Me and that guy from Sienfeild both had LeBarons! Big grin



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User currently offlineIAH777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 0 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5685 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 9):
Hey, hey!
Me and that guy from Sienfeild both had LeBarons!

On second thought, I do recall a male acquaintance who drove one. He shaved his chest, too...  rotfl 


User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 5678 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 8):
had the power glass moonroof option

Oh yeah, had that option as well. What a tank!

Quoting Superfly (Reply 9):
Me and that guy from Seinfeld both had LeBarons!

Wasn't it Jon Voight's car that George bought?



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User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12281 posts, RR: 35
Reply 12, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 5675 times:
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Quoting Superfly (Reply 8):
It ain't worth it.

I know, hence why it hasn't been done. Would be a nice project though, and if it works, give it to my bro-in-law. He'll turn 16 in October or November.



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User currently offlineA332 From Canada, joined Feb 2005, 1644 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 5667 times:

Quoting Superfly (Thread starter):
Some K-based cars came with a HEMI.
OK it was a 2.6 liter 4cylinder hemi but it still qualifies.
That was probably the most reliable engine and the most powerful but only put out 110 HP.

Actually, the 2.6L Mitsubishi engine was extremely trouble prone with major issues surrounding it's balance shaft chain & weak cylinder head... the 2.6L suffered far more reliability problems than the 2.2L (which was notorious for head gasket failures) and Chrysler ended up replacing it with the 2.5L.

As well, the carbureted 2.2L (81-85) was almost impossible to keep properly adjusted, which ended up leading to stalling, hard starting, and poor fuel economy...

The torque-flite automatic transmissions were excellent...

In all honesty, out of the main domestic compacts of the early to mid 1980s, the K-cars were probably the best of a bad lot. They certainly were not trouble-free, but when compared to the GM X-cars (Citation, Phoenix, Omega, Skylark) & the early Tempo/Topaz, they were definitely a shade better!

We owned a very basic 1985 Reliant sedan (didn't even have a radio or a passenger side mirror!) and had it for several years... made 3 trips from northern BC to San Francisco and Los Angeles... wasn't the best car but still lots of good memories!  Smile



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User currently offlineDeltaDC9 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 2844 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 5667 times:

The K-car was Lee Iacoca's pet project to introduce a mass market transverse front wheel drive and gain market acceptance. But there was more to the story, he had a new vehicle in mind and the K-car was just a precurser.

That new vehicle was the mini-van, and the K-car was simply a mini-van with a car body. It was pure genius.

Your facination is warranrted, given that this is a subject of study and most business schools.



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User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 15, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 5663 times:

Quoting DeltaDC9 (Reply 14):
Your facination is warranrted, given that this is a subject of study and most business schools.

Fascination...not so sure. But that car model was the main reason why the whole Chrysler/Dodge group even exists today. Without the K car they wouldn't have been able to introduce the minivan thus keeping them in business. His autobiography was a pretty good read. Think of what cars he is behind and how they affected us here in the States with the Ford Mustang, the K car, and the minivan. Very smart business sense.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40070 posts, RR: 74
Reply 16, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 5660 times:

Quoting IAH777 (Reply 10):
On second thought, I do recall a male acquaintance who drove one. He shaved his chest, too...

Oh my gosh! He is weird!

Quoting A332 (Reply 13):
the 2.2L (which was notorious for head gasket failures)

Yep, that happened to me.
What's worse with the turbocharged version is when the oil leaks from the head gasket or valve cover gasket, the oil drips on to the turbocharger and exhaust causing the car to catch on fire. Go to your nearest junk yard and a I bet all the K-based turbocharged cars are there due to engine fire.

Quoting A332 (Reply 13):
We owned a very basic 1985 Reliant sedan

Probably the most reliable of the K-cars.
As long as they had no features, they were decent. Once Mopar expanded on the K-car by making turbos, convertibles, minivans, limosines and luxury sedans on the platform, trouble started.

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 12):
Would be a nice project though, and if it works, give it to my bro-in-law. He'll turn 16 in October or November.

You don't want to get on your in laws bad side, do you? Big grin

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 11):
Oh yeah, had that option as well. What a tank!

The 1978 and older models wre even more of a tank.
I took my drivers test in a 1982 Cadillac Eldorado Biraitz.

Quoting DeltaDC9 (Reply 14):
Your facination is warranrted, given that this is a subject of study and most business schools.

That is incredible!  yes 



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User currently offlineDeltaDC9 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 2844 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 5660 times:

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 15):
Very smart business sense.

If he were running Airbus, wanna bet they would not have the market forcasting problems they are suffereing from now?



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User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 18, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 5655 times:

Quoting DeltaDC9 (Reply 17):
If he were running Airbus, wanna bet they would not have the market forcasting problems they are suffereing from now?

Perhaps. I would hope for a little bit better vision with the A350 than what appears to me to be a slightly updated A330 in terms of capacity, etc. although it does offer some cool new technologies. I forget why he was run out of Chrysler but I like how they brought him back for the recent commercials.



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User currently offlineA332 From Canada, joined Feb 2005, 1644 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 5652 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 16):
Once Mopar expanded on the K-car by making turbos, convertibles, minivans, limosines and luxury sedans on the platform, trouble started.

and who could forget the launch of the 1984 Daytona and Laser... the K-based sport coupes... I owned an 84 Laser XE, fully loaded with all of the digital goodies, electronic voice alert, etc...

I replaced the engine twice in the 2.5 years I owned it (back in the mid-90s) and both times it was due to connecting rod failures... the 2.2L block was just not built to handle the turbocharging!

You're sure right about the fires though, very common issue when I was looking for replacement engines...



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40070 posts, RR: 74
Reply 20, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 5647 times:

Quoting A332 (Reply 19):
I replaced the engine twice in the 2.5 years I owned it (back in the mid-90s) and both times it was due to connecting rod failures... the 2.2L block was just not built to handle the turbocharging!

You're sure right about the fires though, very common issue when I was looking for replacement engines...

We're there any massive recalls on this?
I don't think anyone was trading in there 1971 Chagers for the 1984 Charger. Big grin



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User currently offlineA332 From Canada, joined Feb 2005, 1644 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 5647 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 20):
We're there any massive recalls on this?

I'm not too sure... I don't think I would have qualified for any sort of warranty/recall work at the time, since it was already 12 years and had about 100,000 miles on it.

What's ironic is that I ended up with a 1983 Chevy Citation as a replacement...  Wink



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User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 5643 times:

Quoting Superfly (Thread starter):
Despite poor reliability, I really like the ‘look’ of a lot of Chrysler/Dodge/Plymouth K-cars. I think that style-wise, these cars were magnificent but came up short in reliability and engineering wise. I used to own a 1987 Chrysler LeBaron convertible (pictured below).

The only reason for the K-Car's existance was that it was cheap to build at a time when Chrysler was struggling to survive. Nearly all (or maybe all) of Chrysler's cars and minivans were based on it. The public quickly figured out that they were crap, and the only way they could sell them was by offering crazy waranties. Resale values were zilch.

Having a fascination with these cars is like having a facination with the Ford Edsel.

Quoting Superfly (Thread starter):
The Chrysler TC was interesting.
An American brand with Maserati interior (Italy) an doptional Mitsubishi V6 engine (Japan)
A true international exotic sports car.

Bull. It was a $5000 Reliant-K with leather seats and a goofy-looking clock on the dash. It's as if you gave a Fiat Punto and gave it to Rolls Royce to pimp it out.


User currently offlineA332 From Canada, joined Feb 2005, 1644 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 5640 times:

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 22):
The only reason for the K-Car's existance was that it was cheap to build at a time when Chrysler was struggling to survive. Nearly all (or maybe all) of Chrysler's cars and minivans were based on it. The public quickly figured out that they were crap, and the only way they could sell them was by offering crazy waranties. Resale values were zilch.

You're right when you state that they were introduced as a last attempt to save Chrysler from extinction... and they did just that. In fact, they were extremely successful.

They were not all that durable... but neither were most of the front-drive vehicles of the 1980s.

The Caravan is still a best seller today.. the K-Car sold for 9 years... it's variants have sold for many years as well... the public bought em up.

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 22):
Having a fascination with these cars is like having a facination with the Ford Edsel.

So what...? People DO have a fascination with the Edsel.. and the Pinto, and the Vega... and other junk cars from the past... nothing wrong with that either!



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User currently offlineDucatiRacer From United States of America, joined May 2005, 247 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 5639 times:

Quoting Superfly (Thread starter):
A true international exotic sports car.

International, perhaps. But exotic sports car? That may be a bit overboard considering such terms are usually applied to cars like Ferraris and Lambos. Personally, I think your LeBaron was a better looking vehicle - more correctly proportioned than the stubby TC.


25 SmithAir747 : Yes! My first car I ever purchased (17 July 1996) was a twilight blue 1989 Dodge Aries K four-door sedan. I traded in the family station wagon for it,
26 Post contains images KaiGywer :
27 Srbmod : I had a K-Car for about a year back in the mid-90s until I blew the motor. I had a red 1988 Dodge Lancer, which was on the H Platform, which was nothi
28 Post contains links GuitrThree : Sup, I don't mean to correct you in public, but your '87 Convertible was NOT a "K" car... It was a "J" car, debuted in 87... they were some of my fav
29 Srbmod : " target=_blank>http://www.allpar.com/eek/LeBaronCou....html The J platform was derived from the K platform (See link in the thread starter), and the
30 GuitrThree : True, DERIVED being the key word... as the article also said: The "J" cars were MUCH, MUCH better than the "K's" Look at it this way.. the 94-96 Capr
31 Cfalk : If it was derived from, or even shared a single part or design detail with the K-car, it was crap.
32 Cptkrell : Cfalk; wifey had a "New Yorker" K a zillion years ago (before we were married) as a company car and it was not a very reliable product. Strange since
33 Post contains links LTBEWR : I owned Chrysler cars for a number of years, including a 1981 Plymouth TC-3 (Horizon 2 dr. hatchback) and a 1985 Chrysler Laser (=Dodge Daytona and th
34 Post contains images AerospaceFan : I read somewhere that "Corinthian leather" was just a marketing gimmick. But it sure did work well.
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