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User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 1484 times:

Well, NBC is doing the entrapment thing with the child porn pervs again on the tube right now. When will these idiotic perverts ever learn? I really am amused by the ones that said they saw the previous busts on TV but still show up and think it isn't going to happen to them. There really are some sick bastards out there. I'd say lock up your daughters but some of the morons like the gay variety of sex as well and one just said he would have been honored to take the virginity of one of the kids. Yuck!

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User currently offlineCXA330300 From South Africa, joined May 2004, 1562 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 1470 times:

Isn't it technically illegal for Dateline to show this on any television broadcast, as it technically promotes an illegal act?


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User currently offlineRedngold From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 6907 posts, RR: 44
Reply 2, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 1460 times:

Quoting DeltaGator (Thread starter):
Well, NBC is doing the entrapment thing

Careful there... It's not "entrapment" in a legal sense because nobody is forcing these men to do what they're doing. Nobody is saying "come to this house or we'll hurt you or arrest you." They are doing this of their own free will.

Quoting CXA330300 (Reply 1):
it technically promotes an illegal act

No more than any other sting operation run by a law enforcement agency. They are working together with local officials.



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User currently offlineRen41 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1524 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 1460 times:

Quoting CXA330300 (Reply 1):
Isn't it technically illegal for Dateline to show this on any television broadcast, as it technically promotes an illegal act?

The people are arrested the second they leave the house. These reports are done in conjunction with police investigations. They are not promoting sex with underage kids at all.

R41


User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 1460 times:

I'm sure it has all been vetted by the lawyers. The lawyers and cops on here can better explain the entrapment thing but I'm sure it is all on the up and up. Personally I say good riddance to bad rubbish with these perverts.


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User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 5, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 1457 times:

Quoting Redngold (Reply 2):
Careful there... It's not "entrapment" in a legal sense because nobody is forcing these men to do what they're doing.

I know. It seems like entrapment but I knew someone would be able to explain it a little better than I could. I heard that the word started getting around what was going on so some of the pervs didn't show up.



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User currently offlineDc10s4ever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 1451 times:

Personally I hope each and every one of these pervs get thrown in jail for the rest of their lives. They have scarred a child for life, so they should pay with their life.

User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 7, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1442 times:

Quoting Dc10s4ever (Reply 6):
They have scarred a child for life

Not all of them, or so they say. A few of them claim to this time being their first. They use folks that are at least legal age to chat with them online and draw them in. They still need to be locked up though.

There was one tonight that was going to be going to prison in a couple of days for the same thing he was trying to do as "one for the road" before he went in the hoosegow. As a strange twist the guy was almost a midget. I give him a week in prison.



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User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 29
Reply 8, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1435 times:

Entrapment would be if the police actively pursued the men, trying to get them to commit crimes. If the police are contacted first by the predators, there is nothing wrong with it. It's the same as all the drug and prostitution busts you see on Cops. Basically it is when the cops induce the crime, not the criminals.

Harry



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User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12110 posts, RR: 48
Reply 9, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1425 times:
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Myself I feel it is all for ratings.


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User currently offlinePlanespotting From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3527 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1404 times:

Quoting Redngold (Reply 2):
Nobody is saying "come to this house or we'll hurt you or arrest you."

That is coercion, not entrapment. Entrapment is illegal because it is more or less defined as giving a normal person an opportunity to commit a crime that he or she would not commit under usual or normal circumstances.

For instance, an undercover policeman cannot seek out a homeless man, offer to give him money to commit a crime, and then arrest him for the attempt to commit the crime. Also, an undercover policeman or woman cannot offer anyone sex for hire services. If this was allowed, undercover cops could stand on the corner and offer $5 blowjobs all day long and arrest every poor schmuck who walked by.

(i would imagine it would be difficult for the lay-singleman to turn down a $5 blowjob from a normal, attractive looking woman - or man depending on how he swings...).

They can, however, act the role as hookers and stand on a corner dressed in hooker garb and arrest the men who solicit them.



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User currently offlineItsjustme From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2768 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1404 times:

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 5):
I know. It seems like entrapment but I knew someone would be able to explain it a little better than I could.

Nope, no entrapment. At least not when the suspect shows up at the prearranged meeting place. The entrapment, if any, would occur during the dialogue between the "minor" and the "suspect". But, from everything I have seen on the previous Dateline specials of this type, the suspect is well aware he is communicating with and arranging to meet with a minor. Technically, he could be arrested as soon as he enters the property where the meeting was scheduled to take place.


User currently offlineYOWza From Turks and Caicos Islands, joined Jul 2005, 4889 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1357 times:

I saw a doc on child molestors a week or so ago up here in Canada and I wanted to vomit. It was disgusting what some of these guys thought and how they behaved. This one repeat offender said "I don't pursue them, the come after me. They love me, they see what a loving man I am." Nasty. Sick bastard should be sentenced to a life of hard labour.

YOWza



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User currently offlinePlanespotting From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3527 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1339 times:

Quoting YOWza (Reply 12):
I saw a doc on child molestors a week or so ago up here in Canada and I wanted to vomit. It was disgusting what some of these guys thought and how they behaved. This one repeat offender said "I don't pursue them, the come after me. They love me, they see what a loving man I am." Nasty. Sick bastard should be sentenced to a life of hard labour.

Hey. I'm not one to stick up for child-molesters, but clearly these people have some sort of psychological problem that is making them this way. No normal, sane person "of their own free will" would choose to live this sort of lifestyle or think that this was acceptable.

Is it their fault that they have something this awful wrong with them? No. Should they pay for their crimes? yes. Should they be treated differently than a common criminal of a sane mind who commits a crime entirely for profits or emotions sake that is of their own free will? Yes.

Of course, this complicates the situation. However, one should try to stay away from throwing anyone into hard labour camps for life. Gulag's are not part of a civilized society.



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User currently offlineYOWza From Turks and Caicos Islands, joined Jul 2005, 4889 posts, RR: 15
Reply 14, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1336 times:

Quoting Planespotting (Reply 13):
Of course, this complicates the situation. However, one should try to stay away from throwing anyone into hard labour camps for life. Gulag's are not part of a civilized society.

Perhaps not, but this guy should not be able to be out and about until he commits yet another sex crime against a helpless child. Apparently he has gotten away with it every time with minimal punishments and this particular guy lives within sight of a school!! Come on....

YOWza



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User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7410 posts, RR: 50
Reply 15, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1333 times:
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Quoting DeltaGator (Thread starter):
When will these idiotic perverts ever learn?

They won't learn, they're internet child sex predators, and should be caught. These are the people we live amongst, and the more we expose, the better

Quoting Redngold (Reply 2):

Careful there... It's not "entrapment" in a legal sense because nobody is forcing these men to do what they're doing. Nobody is saying "come to this house or we'll hurt you or arrest you." They are doing this of their own free will.

They're intending to meet with a child for sex. If the deviant was to ask "Are you a police officer?", and the officer said "no", that's entrapment.

Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 9):
Myself I feel it is all for ratings.

Well, if it protects a few more children, than have at it NBC. Information like this needs to get out there.



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User currently offlineOmoo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1307 times:

Next Week they are going to show a naked perv, guy who likes cookies and they will be in the Sunshine state.......tune in.....lol

User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 29
Reply 17, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1307 times:

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 15):
If the deviant was to ask "Are you a police officer?", and the officer said "no", that's entrapment.

Officers are able to lie all they want, and it is still not entrapment. If this were the case, prostitution and drug undercover busts would be able to occur.

Harry



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User currently offlineItsjustme From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2768 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1298 times:

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 15):
If the deviant was to ask "Are you a police officer?", and the officer said "no", that's entrapment.

Incorrect. If said deviant was acting on his own free will and I did not initiate, or entice him to commit the crime, I can lie about who and/or what I am until the cows come home and my arrest will be lawful. Further, if it is proven that the suspect had a predisposition to commit a crime, simply providing him with the opportunity to do so is not entrapment. Simply put: We (police) target an area known to be frequented by drug traffickers. Shithead drug dealer comes up to me, sneaky bastard undercover cop, and says, "Hey, are you a cop?" and I say "No" and he offers to engage me in a narcotics transaction, there is no entrapment there.

I didn't see the latest Dateline episode but I believe in the past, civilian volunteers with no ties to law enforcement were playing the role of the minor. Civilians, who are not acting in concert with law enforcement cannot be guilty of entrapment.

[Edited 2006-05-04 08:28:13]

[Edited 2006-05-04 08:29:33]

User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26493 posts, RR: 75
Reply 19, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1296 times:

Quoting CXA330300 (Reply 1):
Isn't it technically illegal for Dateline to show this on any television broadcast, as it technically promotes an illegal act?

No it isn't. First off, they are not promoting an illegal act and even if some ludicrious prosecutor claimed they were, there is no clear and present danger..

Quoting Redngold (Reply 2):
Careful there... It's not "entrapment" in a legal sense because nobody is forcing these men to do what they're doing.



Quoting Newark777 (Reply 17):
Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 15):
If the deviant was to ask "Are you a police officer?", and the officer said "no", that's entrapment.

Officers are able to lie all they want, and it is still not entrapment. If this were the case, prostitution and drug undercover busts would be able to occur.

No, that is untrue. Officers are only allowed to lie when they are trying to get a confession or in some jurisdictions if they have already been solicited as part of a crime.

BTW, since no one here seems to be able to get the definition right, here it is:

A law-enforcement officer's or government agent's inducement of a person to commit a crime, by means of fraud or undue persuasion, in an attempt to later bring a criminal prosecution against that person.

Additionally, the standard in most states is that you have to prove entrapment by showing that but for the fraud or undue persuasion, you would not have committed the crime.

Basically, if a cop posing as a prostitute says to a potential john minding their own business "Hey baby, looking for a date, don't worry, I'm not a cop" and the john takes the bate then, they have a strong case for entrapment. Same if the cop says "you have some crack" the dealer says "no" and the cop says "don't worry, I'm not a cop" and then the sale goes down. If, however the john approaches the cop and asks later, there is an argument against entrapment. This is why smart cops always avoid the cop question.



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User currently offlineItsjustme From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2768 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1287 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 19):
there is no clear and present danger..

Excellent movie. I thought Harrison Ford nailed it.

By the way....wtf ARE you talking about? Clear and present danger?  confused 


User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12250 posts, RR: 35
Reply 21, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1252 times:
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I am all for these shows. Expose these sick bastards, and hope that part of the prison population watches it and recognizes them when they walk through the door. It's not for no reason that child molesters always say they're in for drugs or something similar...


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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1240 times:

Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 9):
Myself I feel it is all for ratings

Oh it most certaintly is. These news stations have really latched on to the crimes against children thing. It commands many viewers and they are in a way doing a service to the public. In the end though they are bigger whores than the people they cover.


User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1230 times:

What concern me the most about last nights show was the end, where the judge was releasing these guys with $2,500 bail. Only one guy got a high bail $100,000 because he had already been convicted on another case. Any one from Ohio, know what kind of sentence these people will get after they pled guility?

User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 24, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1227 times:

Quoting AirCop (Reply 23):
What concern me the most about last nights show was the end, where the judge was releasing these guys with $2,500 bail.

Yes, quite interesting. Having never had to make bail before I might be wrong but don't they only have to produce 10% of that number to get out? The rest is put up by the bondsman?

Quoting AirCop (Reply 23):
Only one guy got a high bail $100,000 because he had already been convicted on another case.

I liked how the guy had the balls to ask to be released on his recognizance. The judge nipped that one in the bud really quickly. He'll be passed around so much in prison.



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25 Itsjustme : I'm certainly no fan of the media. They can be your best friend one minute and your worst enemy the next (depends what will garnish them the juiciest
26 KaiGywer : One thing that I do respect about criminals (well, as much as can be done anyways), is that they have no respect for child molesters. You have all the
27 N1120A : The Clear and Present danger test is one of the tests used to determine whether speech is incitement
28 Post contains links Planespotting : right on with the CPD Test Clear and Present Danger Test SCHENCK v. U.S. , 249 U.S. 47 (1919) let's be a little less aggressive when we don't underst
29 Itsjustme : I am very familiar with the CPD test and it's association with the First Amendment and I completely understood what N1120A was referring to. However,
30 Planespotting : blah blah blah. If you will look at when the poster brought up the CPD Test, he was not referring AT ALL to the theory of entrapment. He was referrin
31 Post contains images Seb146 : Before I add my two cents I need to say: these are sick perverts. 1. These people need mental treatment and not jail time. Jail time does nothing exce
32 Post contains images AirframeAS : There was no child involved in the sting. It was a total set up. I applaud DatelineNBC for doing this to make parents more aware of the dangers of on
33 DeltaGator : It looks like the reply is gone now but they are showing two more of these. I missed the first one from Ohio and caught the second one but now they ar
34 AirframeAS : Im surprised that not even ONE female has been caught yet in these stings. There are bound to be some of those weird females doing the same thing out
35 DeltaGator : I thought they caught at least one in the earlier episodes this year. I might be wrong though.
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