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User currently offlineMls515 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (13 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 955 times:

I have to go plead innocent tomorrow morning to the PAULA ticket I got a couple weeks ago. (PAULA=Possession of Alcohol Under the Legal Age) My defense strategy is keep getting continuances so I can put off paying this SOB for as long as I can! Wish me luck.

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User currently offlineMatt D From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (13 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 850 times:

Well.....are you guilty as charged and are looking for a way to escape the consequences of your actions or were you wrongly charged?
If you are innocent, then I wish you the best. If not, then take it like a man. Show a little self respect and responsibility. Pay the fine, and be done with it. Why prolong the thorn in your side?
You can delay, delay and delay all you want. You're still going to have to pay your dues eventually.
Or just swallow your pride, pay it, and get it out of your life once and for all.


User currently offlineMls515 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (13 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 837 times:

I believe I was approached by the officer without cause. The police raided the bar that night and were going after everyone. I WAS NOT holding an alcoholic beverage at the time the cop came up to us. I don't believe the officer had cause to give me the breathalyzer test. I blew a .03 whatever that is supposed to prove. I did have two and a half glasses of beer. I was not drunk. I was not acting drunk. I was just standing around a table talking to some friends. And if I were to get drunk, I was a 5 minute walk away from my house. I was a danger to no one.

So I got a possession just becuase the test showed there was alcohol in my system.

I feel I did nothing wrong. It's my values clashing with my societies values. If I was 500 miles away in Windsor, Ontario I wouldn't have been charged with anything. If I was in the bar 6 months from now I wouldn't be charged with anything. The law is so stupid. The police should be out writhing traffic tickets or something more important.


User currently offlineIainhol From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (13 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 827 times:

The US police are the worst, I thought they where meant to protect and to serve but they seem to think there job is to screw people over. I think the US police think they are the most respected best police, but at the end of the day they are the worst. They do not help out people at all, the just try and get us in trouble.
Iain


User currently offlineMls515 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (13 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 821 times:

Well said. I lost a lot of respect for the local police after I got tagged with this stupid offense.

User currently offlineIainhol From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (13 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 815 times:

I have never seen a police man give any respect to teenages, they look for things we do wrong, and think it is going to make a the country better. When they break up parties do they really think we go home, I will bet $100 that more laws are broken after the parties when the party's are in small groups with nothing to do!
Iain


User currently offlineMls515 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (13 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 799 times:

Well, I went in and entered a plea of not guilty to the assistant clerk of court. They were setting trial dates all the way into the end of Febuary! And then I told him that I wasn't going to be in the country between January and May. They were not pleased to hear this. So they're going to try and place me and this other guy in the same situation with earlier trial dates. I'm clear of it for the time being at least.

User currently offlineCtbarnes From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (13 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 792 times:

What does it mean your values clashing with society's values? If your values said you could go ahead and commit murder and did so, would you plead not guilty because your values conflict with society's?

For once I'm forced to agree with MattD. You were drinking underage and got caught. You broke the law. Take some responsibility for your actions, pay the fine and be done with it. If you feel strongly enough about it, try working to get the law changed, or better yet, take a long weekend, go to Windsor and get trashed (just make sure you're sober for the drive home).

BTW, if you keep delaying, the case goes to trial and you're found guilty, the court costs are going to far outstrip what the fine would have been.


User currently offlineKilljoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (13 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 792 times:

It doesn't matter whether the officer had a good cause to breathalyze you. Say a cop accidentally caught a drug dealer the same way. Would you think it would be wrong to apprehend him because the cop didn't have a good reason to suspect him? Of course not! It's the same thing, just a lesser crime.

I'm not saying that the law is fair (depends on the circumstances too much), but since it exists it should be obeyed. If you disagree with it you might try to get it changed, but that doesn't give you permission to violate it.

It also doesn't matter that you're only 6 months under the legal age. The line has to be drawn somewhere.

If you were drinking and the law imposes a fine for that, then you're guilty.


User currently offlineTexairport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (13 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 787 times:

Did you have to be 21 to be in the bar? If so, that is a strike against you. If it is 21, how did you get in the bar, flase identification?

I have seen similar situations with my friends, fortunately not myself. You could pay the fine get it over with (will it be on your record?) or get a lawyer and get deferred ajudification, or delay it forever and hope the "system" squeezes you out and drops the charges.


User currently offlineMls515 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (13 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 784 times:

In Iowa City there are some bars you can go to when you're 18, most 19, and some 21. The city council is working on making them 21 like most other Iowa Cities. I don't have nor do I need a fake ID. I just don'r drink enough to warrant the risk.

It's a misdemeanor offense that won't go on my record. Just a $145 bitch slap.

I don't think it's fair to compare my situation to a drug deal or murder. You can observe a drug deal going on. You cannot observe alcohol in someone's system. Murder is not legal for anyone unlike alcohol posession which is for 21+ year olds.


User currently offlineN863DA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (13 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 782 times:

The fact is that you broke a law, however unjust the fact that you had came about, and however unjust the law may or may not be in the first place.

Whether he had cause to suspect you or not, you had alcohol in your system... a felony in the United States of America if you are under the age of 21. So, in essense, you did do something wrong - you drank. So you are guilty of what you were charged with, whether it's justified and sensible anyway.

FLY DELTA JETS and sail UNITED STATES LINES



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User currently offlineCtbarnes From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (13 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 778 times:

>>I don't think it's fair to compare my situation to a drug deal or murder. You can observe a drug deal going on. You cannot observe alcohol in someone's system. Murder is not legal for anyone unlike alcohol posession which is for 21+ year olds.<<

That may be, but it's not the point. You appear to be making excuses and blaming others as a means of avoiding responsibility for something you knew was illegal. You have to have known in the back of your mind you were risking a fine when you decided to go into the bar. You got caught. It's not the cop's fault. He was only doing his job.

Believing the law is an ass dosen't place you above it. Engaging in civil disobedience is one thing. Not being willing to face up to the consequences of doing so is quite another. Sorry pal. No sympathy.

Charles


User currently offlineMls515 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (13 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 767 times:

I'm not asking for sympathy, nor am I blaming others.

I'm just ranting about a stupid policy.


User currently offlineCtbarnes From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (13 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 763 times:

From where I sit you're trying to avoid taking responsibility for your actions. That's the whole point of what I am trying to say. It's also the one point you have not addressed.

Charles


User currently offlineN312RC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (13 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 746 times:

Take my advice, pay the d@mn fine and get on with life.

User currently offlineBombstar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (13 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 734 times:

Actually, murder is legal in some countries if you work in a prision on death row, especially in texas.

User currently offlineMls515 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (13 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 728 times:

Yes, I was drinking alcohol. You can burn me at the stake now. It's the circumstances under which I was caught that tick me off. If I was caught red-handed with a beer in my hand, I'd have accepted the fine without question. Same thing if I was being a drunken ass. But I wasn't, I was minding my own business until the police showed up to raid the bar.

User currently offlineCtbarnes From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (13 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 726 times:

*sigh*

I give up.

Charles

P.S. Copper1, have you been following this?


User currently offlineMls515 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (13 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 723 times:

Copper1 is Canadian I believe so I doubt he has ever issued any PAULAs to 20 year olds.

User currently offlineCPDC10-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (13 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 722 times:

This is so ridiculous that there are "raids" on underage drinking. Your profile says you are a university student, so I am assuming you are at least 18 - and they still tested.

Next time you want to get hammered make sure you come to Canada!


User currently offlineCPDC10-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (13 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 717 times:

Whoops, I mean I can't believe they ticketed you.

The US really needs to get their priorities straight on ridiculous laws like these...


User currently offlineMls515 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (13 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 713 times:

Oh, and in case you're interested, I will construct my defense using the 4th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution (1791):

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

Of course it's my opinion that the search was unreasonable. I had no alcohol with me. The cop asked if I had been drinking and I told him "No." So where did he have cause to search me?

I do agree that I'd be better off just paying the fine, but for $145 I get: a judges time, a city attorny's time, and a police officer's time which combined with the magistrate's and clerk's time I'm already responsible for using will cost the city even more than the $145 my ticket is for. And I even have a slim chance of not having to pay the $145. What better way do I have to get back at the city? (not that I'm entitled to 'get back' at them, I just want to)

And think about this: Why do we pay fines? Because we've harmed society and owe a debt. Well, who did I harm?


User currently offlineDerek H From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (13 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 706 times:

Yes, I dont really feel any compassion twards you, you are underage and drinking...if it was a fluke that you were drinking that night, maybe i would feel differnetly...but in your profile under "Hobbies" it says "drinking." so....burn burn burn!

User currently offlineMls515 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (13 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 705 times:

That's there as a joke actually. I only drink about once a month.

25 Pacific : It seems that you drank underage. I don't know the US law but I'm sure that Police have the right to test people if they are just suspicious. Police k
26 Copper1 : Thanks for thinking of me guys. Yes I am a Canadian cop and in Ontario the drinking age is 19. I have charged 18 (and younger )year olds with underage
27 Nicolaki : You said: I had no alcohol with me. The cop asked if I had been drinking and I told him "No." So you've actually told a lie to the cop by saying no, s
28 Mls515 : So what if I lied to the cop. Ever heard of the 5th amendment? The one about self incrimination? Oh yea, I don't recall asking for compassion, symapat
29 Nicolaki : No sorry, since I'm not American I don't know much about your amendements! But what I know is that some people like to twist them so it fits their act
30 Surf : What were you doing in the bar in the first place? You shouldn't have been there...
31 Mls515 : Damn, I was going to let this thread slip off the screen since 'tomorrow' was last Thursday, the 28th but I'll answer a question or two. After this I
32 Surf : It doesn't matter if you didn't want to incriminate yourself, if the officers ask you to take a breathalyzer test, you have to take it. It is not unre
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