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Soda To Be Pulled From Indiana Schools  
User currently offlineATAIndy From United States of America, joined May 2004, 591 posts, RR: 4
Posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1696 times:

This really burns me up. The state is blaming soda as the cause for obesity in children. I don't think that they are right at all. Soda is not leading to obesity, it is the fact that for lunch, we (and yes I include myself because I go to high school) can by 2 spicy chicken sandwiches, french fries, cookies, frito lay/hostess products, and a million other junk that's a lot worse than coke. I for one can't stand for this, what are your thoughts?

There are many other ways to cut obesity than taking pop out of the schools. The parents of fat children and the school corporations just want someone to take the blame, and who did they pick? Soda companies. I find this outrageous.

Here's the Star's article: High-calorie sodas to be yanked from school vending machines


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User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1689 times:

Coke is pulling pop from the schools in ALL the states.

Mark


User currently offlineAA61Hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1679 times:

When I was in grade school, I sucked down like 7-8 cokes a day. I gained some weight. I wasn't fat, but I was overweight. I switched to Diet Coke and biked 2 miles every day..I lost 30lbs in one summer...Coke is so high in sugar. I personally can't even drink normal coke now-it has to be coke zero or diet coke...

Coke can be fine-in moderation. If a kid is sucking down Coke while watching TV everyday, all summer...he/she will get fat



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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1672 times:

Nothing wrong with subsitituting pop with fruit juices and the like. Kids don't need all that pop at school. They get enough of it at home. I'm all for it.

User currently offlineJamesbuk From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 3968 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1663 times:

Well my school has just banned all chocolate, sweets and crisps to be sold on the premises although you can bring them in for yourselves.

Rgds --James--



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User currently offlineTheSorcerer From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2005, 1048 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1657 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 3):
Nothing wrong with subsitituting pop with fruit juices and the like. Kids don't need all that pop at school. They get enough of it at home. I'm all for it.

Great post.
They've pulled all sodas from the vending machines from my school and they got rid of the sweets vending machines all together.

Quoting ATAIndy (Thread starter):
This really burns me up. The state is blaming soda as the cause for obesity in children. I don't think that they are right at all. Soda is not leading to obesity

It's a contributing factor.

Dominic



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User currently offlineBtriple7 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 1160 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1654 times:

All forms of soda (diet drinks included) have been banned from my high school (in NC). There are about a million varieties of Aquafina at my school now. It's not that bad. No one really seems to complain. People just drink water or bring sodas from home. Personally I think it's a step in the right direction. No, soda isn't the main cause of obesity, but it does contribute. Getting rid of it is a good place to start. North Carolina has really been cutting down on unhealthy food and drinks in schools recently. I don't know about Indiana, but it seems to be working fine here. Sure people mope and whine about the food they're served, but in the end no one really minds the new cafateria menu.

Obesity is a problem in the US. I think it's about time something was done. You may think that you're not overweight, and the school shouldn't penalize you for other people's problems, but how will drinking more water hurt you (bottled-water that is, not the mucus you get out of the water-fountain)? If you so desperatly need a soft drink at school, just buy a huge packet of bottles at your local supermaket and bring a soda to school everyday. There problem solved.

Regards,
Btriple7



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User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1652 times:

It is nonsense. Such measures simply will lead pupils / students to look for alternative supplies, but NOT BETTER ones. And the CocaCola/PepsiCola/DrPepper/MeccaCola/TurkCola etc hardly are THE reason for overweight.

User currently offlineBtriple7 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 1160 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1646 times:

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 7):
It is nonsense. Such measures simply will lead pupils / students to look for alternative supplies, but NOT BETTER ones. And the CocaCola/PepsiCola/DrPepper/MeccaCola/TurkCola etc hardly are THE reason for overweight.

What do mean by "not better ones"? Drinks don't get much worse than sodas (unless you're implying that students will turn to drugs and alchohol instead of sodas, which is not true). We have to start somewhere. There is no main cause of obesity, just contributing factors! If it wasn't sodas, it would be French fries and pizza to go first.



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User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17284 posts, RR: 46
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1639 times:

Quoting ATAIndy (Thread starter):
The state is blaming soda as the cause for obesity in children.

I really don't think children are able to make wise decisions when it comes to food (or anything, sometimes), so it seems like a decent move. That said, I would much prefer it if the parents made the decision to pull junk food/drink rather than the government. After all THEY ARE YOUR (not the states') CHILDREN.



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User currently offlineNancy From United States of America, joined May 2004, 467 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1634 times:

I know that many parents won't buy their children soda at home, but the kids go to school and buy them, so the parents don't have control over what their children are consuming. I believe they should be banned. We're teaching the students horrible habits by making junk avaible all day long. I also see a difference (worse) when the students are drinking a lot of caffine. It's really a matter of the schools allowing the parents more control over their children and not undercutting them.

User currently offlineLHMARK From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 7255 posts, RR: 47
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1617 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 9):
That said, I would much prefer it if the parents made the decision to pull junk food/drink rather than the government. After all THEY ARE YOUR (not the states') CHILDREN.

Parents probably did, by putting pressure on the Board of Education.

[Edited 2006-05-05 00:53:04]


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User currently offlineATAIndy From United States of America, joined May 2004, 591 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1604 times:

Quoting Jamesbuk (Reply 4):
Well my school has just banned all chocolate, sweets and crisps to be sold on the premises although you can bring them in for yourselves.

Ouch!! That must be tough to get used to at first, but I bet it gets better over time.

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 7):
And the CocaCola/PepsiCola/DrPepper/MeccaCola/TurkCola etc hardly are THE reason for overweight.

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I totally agree, and I know they contribute somewhat, but the state of Indiana makes it seem like soda is the main reason, which I do not believe to be true.



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User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8439 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1598 times:

This is good. It was only avaliable to me for one day per week when I was in highschool and my primary school didn't even have a canteen or caffeteria as its called.

User currently offlineTrav110 From Canada, joined Jun 2005, 536 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1593 times:

Who the hell cares? I'm a HS student, and the only time I buy a coke from the vending machine is if I need a caffeine up for first period....

Otherwise I always have a bottle of water. I can't drink coke by itself.... it's pretty disgusting.


User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4798 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1577 times:

The other thing with soda is that the sugar in it makes kids all hyper for an hour then they are all down and don't want to learn anything.


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User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1567 times:

Quoting ATAIndy (Thread starter):
This really burns me up. The state is blaming soda as the cause for obesity in children. I don't think that they are right at all. Soda is not leading to obesity, it is the fact that for lunch, we (and yes I include myself because I go to high school) can by 2 spicy chicken sandwiches, french fries, cookies, frito lay/hostess products, and a million other junk that's a lot worse than coke. I for one can't stand for this, what are your thoughts?

Until relatively recently, soda vending wasn't permitted in most schools. Instead, most beverage vending machines at the elementary and middle school level featured milk and orange juice, and that was about it. School lunches certainly wouldn't have offered soda.

You could still bring your own soda to school, though. And on high school campuses, there were soda machines.

As I recall, things started changing about ten years ago, and in return for ad dollars and sponsorship, soda started showing up in lots of schools, big time, and I, for one, didn't think it was a good idea. I've always been taught that calories in soda were just "empty" calories.

[Edited 2006-05-05 07:13:58]

User currently offlineAA61Hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1556 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 3):
Nothing wrong with subsitituting pop with fruit juices and the like. Kids don't need all that pop at school. They get enough of it at home. I'm all for it.

Calorie and sugar wise, fruit juice isn't all that much better. But obviously with fruit juice you have some benefit (whether it be vitamin c or healthy kidney function). So it's the lesser of two evils...

Nothing is wrong with a nice glass of ice water.



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User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8439 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1555 times:

Quoting Trav110 (Reply 14):
Otherwise I always have a bottle of water. I can't drink coke by itself.... it's pretty disgusting

Unfortunantly there are alot of people who aren't like that. A number of my friends drink nothing but coke. They would rather go without food then coke.


User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1553 times:

I used to drink a lot of Coke. It's quite addictive, actually.  Smile

User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20322 posts, RR: 63
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1549 times:

We didn't have any of that crap when I went to school, but they let us smoke.  laughing 


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User currently offlineCory6188 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2686 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1527 times:

My high school in NJ still has two soda fountains in the cafeteria, along with every sort of fried piece of food you could think of, much of it smothered in cheese and other artery-clogging ingredients. We recently got a sandwich/wrap station this year after the student council petitioned to have it added, but every day, there is a huge line for the crappy food and never a line for the healthy food (the wrap station). Students really have no idea of what is healthy for them.

And my teachers are no better, either. They are always bringing in all sorts of junk food all the time; my English teacher frequently hands out candy and M&M's in class, my Chem teacher last year used to bake cupcakes, brownies, etc. all the time, and my Spanish teacher brings in donuts every Friday for our class. I try very hard to avoid all of the crap food; I would get fat very easily if I started to gorge on all that stuff. My brother, on the other hand, can eat all he wants and seems to get thinner; for me, I just look at a cookie and I gain half a pound.


User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 22, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1519 times:

Quoting Btriple7 (Reply 8):
What do mean by "not better ones"? Drinks don't get much worse than sodas (unless you're implying that students will turn to drugs and alchohol instead of sodas,



Quoting Btriple7 (Reply 8):
What do mean by "not better ones"? Drinks don't get much worse than sodas (unless you're implying that students will turn to drugs and alchohol instead of sodas, which is not true). We have to start somewhere. There is no main cause of obesity, just contributing factors! If it wasn't sodas, it would be French fries and pizza to go first.

A) not better ones ? a wide variety, ranging from basically healthy but relatively fat juices of various sorts, across to milk-shakes etc
B) French fries and pizza may contribute to the problem, but first of all should be Hamburgers. Pizza should be reduced in size to what was available in Italy in the early 60ies, and the jumbo-size pizzas should be banned. French fries should not and never be served as separate snacks but only as part of a meal AND in decent quantities.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26338 posts, RR: 76
Reply 23, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1518 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 3):
Nothing wrong with subsitituting pop with fruit juices and the like.



Quoting AA61Hvy (Reply 17):
Calorie and sugar wise, fruit juice isn't all that much better.

Actually, it is often worse calorie and sugar wise. Additionally, the fruit juice sold in schools (if it is actually fruit juice and not some processed sugar-laden "fruit drink" like Snapple that I am sure these schools call healthy) is almost always a cheap, cooked down, ultra-processed concentrate. Furthermore, what are they replacing the soda with? I am sure Coke's over-glorified tapwater Dasani will be in there, but I am sure that is not all there will be. I am betting that their artificially-flavored flavored Dasani will be included in there along with Powerade, which is fine post-workout but contains large amounts of high-glycemic sugars that will hit these student's even harder that Coke will.

This is a smart kid:

"Carmel High School senior Eric Fritz found the pending change ridiculous.
"It's ludicrous, to be honest," the 18-year-old said while sipping a Cherry Coke from a school machine. "I think it's pretty hypocritical to eliminate physical education requirements and then turn around and cut out Coke.""



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User currently offlineScalebuilder From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1499 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 23):
I am sure Coke's over-glorified tapwater Dasani will be in there, but I am sure that is not all there will be.

If the goal is to achieve any long term health and dental benefits for the student population of Indiana, there should just be plain water and low fat milk available in my opinion. Replacing sodas, diet or not, with other flavored alternatives will only limit, if not fully eliminate, the benefit of the effort.

I am sure this promotion will not stop here. According to officials quoted in the article, this is just the initial step.

The lunch menus will be next, and should be if this effort is to have any value. There is not just the fat , but plenty of sugar available here too. If my son, who by the way attends Carmel schools, consumed the "assorted fruit" cup which is nothing more than canned peaches, pears etc. in a heavy sugary syrup, he will to a large extent end up with just as as much sugar from consuming this as he would from drinking a non-diet soft drink.


25 767Lover : Well at least chicken and potatoes have some nutritional value. Sodas do not. Kids don't NEED soda in their school life. And by the way, why should c
26 N1120A : Lunch menus in schools, if they even exist thanks to Ronald Reagan, are disgusting affronts to human health, yet are sanctioned by the USDA. People r
27 ATAIndy : Yes, they do, but it hardly makes up for it when they are deep fried. Oh don't worry, Carmel is always being glorified as the smartest city in the st
28 Post contains links Slider : Absolutely right. Here's a good link that outlines the health effects of drinking soda. It's one of the WORST things one can consume really and I bel
29 ME AVN FAN : What do the kids WANT ? They see what is around, what their parents consume, what is shown on TV, etc. And whether they "need" it or not, they will G
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