RootsAir From Costa Rica, joined Feb 2005, 4186 posts, RR: 40 Posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6527 times:
I heard the other day a conversation about Hitelr's book "Mein kampf" and this question came right into my head. Who actually gets royalties resulting from the sale of his book? Would it be some relatives who are still out there (which I highly doubt) or does some sort of organism get them. Honestly I really wonder who gets all the money from selling the book and wondered if anyone here on a.net could answer my question.
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ManuCH From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 3012 posts, RR: 46
Reply 3, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6493 times:
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Now that the royalties have been clarified ... guess what - in Switzerland that book has been banned. The result? People started ordering it from abroad just because it was forbidden to own it. It's actually a very interesting piece of history.
Pelican From Germany, joined Apr 2004, 2531 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 6448 times:
Quoting ManuCH (Reply 3): Now that the royalties have been clarified ... guess what - in Switzerland that book has been banned. The result? People started ordering it from abroad just because it was forbidden to own it.
I didn't know Switzerland has so tough laws. Here in Germany it's not banned. But the state of Bavaria owns the copyright and they don't allow new editions.
BTW does Bavaria get the royalties, because they own the copyright in certain countries? My guess is that it is only printed in countries were Bavaria has no copyright and therefore they don't get any royalties.
VinnieWinnie From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 803 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 6438 times:
Quoting ManuCH (Reply 3): in Switzerland that book has been banned. The result? People started ordering it from abroad just because it was forbidden to own it. It's actually a very interesting piece of history.
What do you think about banning this book?
I think it is banned in Belgium and France too!
Personally I find that silly. Banning the book makes it sound so mysterious that you are actually tempted to read it. Same can applied for Cannabis, Sigarettes, banned books and even extremists parties. Better explain what is wrong with something or someone instead of banning it totally. Trust people to make a judgement on it and more often than not they will make the good one.
Here are a few examples:
-Extremist parties are ridiculously small in UK whereas they aren't in France or Belgium. ( The first is very liberal the later isn't!)
-Ask any young Dutch and you will find that more often than not Cannabis doesn't interest him.
-Why are Europe's Casinos best clients people from the middle east?
LTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13200 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 6322 times:
In the USA as to the book "Mein Kampf" or any translated version of it, anyone can legally buy, own, borrow from or use at almost any library they have access to (public, University, high school). I find it very odd that some EC countries ban this book, even editons with critical context commentary adjacent to the 'original' text. I recall several years ago, even the UK tried to ban a book that was critical of the Royal Family, so it was being smuggled from other countres (including the USA).
There may be royalties owed on some editions as to the translator, editor, or someone whom publishes this book with adjacent editorial and critical comments.
Columba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7089 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 6289 times:
I spoke with a historian who is mostly interested in Third Reich about this book and I got to read some excerpts of it, too - it is really not worth it.
We also talked about if a ban of the book is really useful and he said that banning this book is the wrong approach. A ban only puts it on a higher level making it somehow mysterious - which it does not really deserve.
His opinion was to let the people who are interested in it read it, so that they can see for themself what a piece of junk this book really is.
It will forever be a McDonnell Douglas MD 80 , Boeing MD 80 sounds so wrong
According to Swiss lawmakers, the book breaks a specific law about writing and expressing racist opinions. A very controversial law, I must say, but it is in place (sorry, can't find the reference to it right now).
Probably they are afraid someone might read the book in a non-historic context and actually apply what it says. Pretty stupid IMHO.
Doona From Sweden, joined Feb 2005, 3772 posts, RR: 13
Reply 13, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 6260 times:
Quoting ManuCH (Reply 3): What do you think about banning this book?
Am I the only one who finds this a little ironic? Hitler did the same thing with books written by Jewish writers, and others too, because they were "dangerous", etc. Banning the book is a mistake.
Quoting ManuCH (Reply 12): According to Swiss lawmakers, the book breaks a specific law about writing and expressing racist opinions. A very controversial law, I must say, but it is in place (sorry, can't find the reference to it right now).
And this is a good reason for banning it. However, were these laws in place at the time of writing? If they weren't, how can one break a llaw before it exists?
Sure, we're concerned for our lives. Just not as concerned as saving 9 bucks on a roundtrip to Ft. Myers.
Pelican From Germany, joined Apr 2004, 2531 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 6221 times:
Quoting LTU932 (Reply 14):
I always thought "Mein Kampf" was banned in Germany and could only be acquired by a school or university for educational purposes.
Well, many Germans think so, too. Even our ex minister of justice (Daubler -Gmelin) thought "Mein Kampf" was banned and wanted to prevent imports from the USA to Germany. Unfortunately she didn't know the ruling of the federal court (BGH) from 1979 which allows to own, buy or sell antiquarian editions of "Mein Kampf" in Gemany. To be honest it's not long ago since I know it's not banned.
Slz396 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 6214 times:
Quoting BA747YYZ (Reply 8): they might actually give it to some Jewish organization in the end. Maybe as a very indirect way of Hitler paying for his crimes.
Just wanted to point out that the Nazi regime in Germany killed a great lot more people then those few million Jews during WWII, so it is not like any Jewish organisation should automatically get the royalties of 'Mein Kampf' should there still be any royalties to be paid for this work.
I must say that since the end of the war, Jewish organisations all over the world have done a good job in putting their suffering in the middle of the attention of the worldwide public, whereas other ethic groups have paid an equally high (or even higher) price, but never seem to be counted.
MattCLE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 6210 times:
My host mom in Germany has two copies. One was given to her parents as a wedding gift from the state (obviously her parents were married during the 3rd Reich) I'm not sure where she acquired the other. She told me she has tried to read it twice, but finds it so boring that she stops before she is finished. I've heard other people tell me this as well.
Alessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 6195 times:
I recall the book being allowed in the library in Tel-Aviv with the note "racist propaganda" stamped on it.
Anyways, I find it too hard to read, like Hitler´s speeches to be without structure and hard to get a grip over.
TheSonntag From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 3763 posts, RR: 29
Reply 22, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 6174 times:
I am against banning such books. I read some excerpts, and honestly, there is so much crap in that book that it is rediculous. Unfortunately, as we all know, Hitler did exactly what he had planned in that book, what makes it frightening.
I think these things should be read in school. That is much better than giving it a mystical reputation by banning it... Some things are so pathetic, they aren't even worth to be banned...
About the royalties, as far as I know, the Bavarian state owns the copyright, so everybody who makes a copy gets problems with the state.
Cfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 6171 times:
I tried to read it years ago, and only managed to get through about a third of it. The ravings of a loon so filled with hate, only other hate-filled people can swallow it. That said, he does have a few good points, as all good propoganda does. The unfairness of the Verseilles Treaty, for example.