Aloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8357 posts, RR: 47 Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3559 times:
Quoting Aero145 (Thread starter): I feel veeery sorry for this dog, I want this lady put to prison for the rest of her life.
You know, that line alone is worth of so much personal respect. There's a lot of people in this forum who would have no problem with wishing the same fate to the woman, who would let their rage get the better of them. You didn't - and that's commendable.
As for the video... it is cruel, of course, and sadly there are thousands of people in this world who go through similar daily torture, deadly or not. People do this to others because they seek power and influence, even if it's just the power over the life of a defenseless puppy.
However, PeTA lost all my respect when they compared livestock transports of chicken to the Shoa, insulting the millions of victims of this incomprehensible outrage. Since the day I heard about this, I've been sceptical of everything PeTA says, does or reports.
Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 6, posted (7 years 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3549 times:
Right, OK, hundreds of children die every day because they don't have water, they don't have food or they have diseases that are preventable and treatable, yet the cruelest thing in your mind is a cute puppy being killed?
Get some perspective. Countless humans are suffering much more than this dog ever did. Yes, it's bad. But absolutely nothing compared to the real cruelty that goes on in the world.
If that made you cry, this should probably make you hang yourself:
777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 11, posted (7 years 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3520 times:
Quoting Aero145 (Reply 8): But this video is sooo cruel, that I couldn't stand it. Even the picture... poor kid.
So a dog being killed results in 100 words, including such hyperbole as 'This is the most cruelty I've seen!' and 'I want this lady put to prison for the rest of her life.'. But a photo of a starving child brings out an entire...five words?
There are many more cruel things than the death of a dog, sorry.
No. You've presumably seen starving people in Africa, aircraft hitting the World Trade Centre, photos of people being marched into concentration camps etc etc ad infinatum, yet the death of a single animal is the most cruelty you've ever seen?
Aloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8357 posts, RR: 47 Reply 14, posted (7 years 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3502 times:
Quoting 777236ER (Reply 11): There are many more cruel things than the death of a dog, sorry.
I don't really think anyone is disagreeing with you. It's a video that appalled him, aged 13 to 15; stating that does not imply he's "assessing" anything.
Hell, my education includes taking corpses apart, which would probably send half of this forum to the porcelain goddess in disgust and because it's so "cruel". Yet my definition of cruelty is pretty much the same as the norm and I'm too appalled by the video in the thread starter. Does that make the fact children are starving, but could be living if this world was just a wee bit fair to them, any less horrendous? NOT AT ALL!
Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 15, posted (7 years 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3491 times:
Quoting Aloges (Reply 14): Does that make the fact children are starving, but could be living if this world was just a wee bit fair to them, any less horrendous? NOT AT ALL!
Quoting Aloges (Reply 14): It's a video that appalled him, aged 13 to 15; stating that does not imply he's "assessing" anything.
It's a video that appauled him, but the overuse of hyperbole shows that even at age 13-15 he hasn't been exposed to what are the true horrors of the world. I'm appauled by the video too. But when people, especially teenagers in developed Western countries, think that this is one of the worst things in the world, then the status quo remains. There will be more genocides, more humanitarian disasters, more rapes, more murders and more war, if kids think that the death of a dog is the worst thing out there.
KROC From United States of America, joined May 2000, 19737 posts, RR: 76 Reply 16, posted (7 years 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3491 times:
Quoting 777236ER (Reply 6): Right, OK, hundreds of children die every day because they don't have water, they don't have food or they have diseases that are preventable and treatable, yet the cruelest thing in your mind is a cute puppy being killed?
Are you serious? A puppy cannot defend itself. A puppy cannot get aid...oh wait, aid usually goes to the governments embattled in civil war or war with their neighbors.....Yeah, I think I'll worry more about a puppy thanks.
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777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 17, posted (7 years 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3488 times:
Quoting KROC (Reply 16): Are you serious? A puppy cannot defend itself. A puppy cannot get aid...oh wait, aid usually goes to the governments embattled in civil war or war with their neighbors.....Yeah, I think I'll worry more about a puppy thanks.
Are you serious? A child can't defend itself. If a child doesn't get aid it's never the fault of the child. It's never the fault of a child that his or her country is at war, or has a corrupt country.
If you worry more about a puppy than a child, I think the says more about you than you realise.
Cptkrell From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2555 posts, RR: 14 Reply 18, posted (7 years 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3478 times:
"The human race would probably have a chance if it weren't for people."
...a quote by good buddy and former co-worker.
Over the years, I've become more and more agitated and infuriated by people who, for whatever reason (them being sick shits, or participating in sick shit to make money from other sick shits), engage in this type cruetly to defensless animals. I'll not address the argument of harvesting animals for food (and I'll qualify this by saying I believe in "rapid" harvesting, not misplaced shots by the inexperienced that results in trauma and agony); I like steak and such, but I wouldn't condone the act of commiting slow death to any animal. (Well, I do dispatch poisonous spiders, snakes and such around the homestead).
Now, for the other sick shot of the starving person. Yep, that's sick too, but again in the context I am relating to, it was brought on by other sick shit people, not say, a large cow in high heel shoes to parade a video on the internet for whatever gain.
Even though I value human life over animals, in the context that I understand this video, I would have no trouble at all "offing" the sickos that participated in this. They are probably not rehabilitable (is that a word?).
As far as the other endless (human) tragedies, I wouldn't have any trouble "offing" those instigators either. But I am in the minority, witness all the bleeding hearts out there. Anyway, it seems a lose-lose situation to try to be helpful and compasionate to those in need; some faction will come back and bite you in the ass after your help is deemed not enough at best or misguided and political at worst. Regards...jack
KiwiinOz From New Zealand, joined Oct 2005, 2029 posts, RR: 5 Reply 19, posted (7 years 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3476 times:
Obviously there are great injustices done all over the world to Children and animals, pretty much everyone at one stage or another, and in the grand scheme of things, perspective is important.
However there's nothing like a video of brutality and cruelty to alter one's perspective. It's pretty basic human emotion for someone's heart to go out to a puppy in this situation, when so graphically portrayed. It's hard to have rational perspective when something like this pulls on the heart strings.
Even though PETA are one hell of a wierd bunch, at least there is an organisation acting on behalf of thes animals, as there are many organisation representing other groups that suffer injustices.
We probably can't save them all, but we should at least be aware of as many as we can so we can make the choice.
Jetset25j From New Zealand, joined Feb 2006, 156 posts, RR: 1 Reply 22, posted (7 years 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3390 times:
Not going to watch it, just seeing the picture of that poor pup is stomach churning.
That perverse whore deserves a death a thousand times worse and hopefully karma will pay a visit to her life sometime soon.
China and some other asian countries treatment of animals (and all too often humans) is abysmal. One would think life has no value whatsoever.
There was a documentary I watched about the dog trade, apparantly the best way to get the fur and meat is to skin the dog alive and let it die slowly.
The above clip though I dont think can be pinned on a regime or government or country-just some sick and nasty people that are unfortunately all over the world and really have no heart, mercy or sense of respect.
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Aero145 From Iceland, joined Jan 2005, 3070 posts, RR: 23 Reply 24, posted (7 years 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 3308 times:
Quoting 777236ER (Reply 13): No. You've presumably seen starving people in Africa, aircraft hitting the World Trade Centre, photos of people being marched into concentration camps etc etc ad infinatum, yet the death of a single animal is the most cruelty you've ever seen?
777236ER. Are you missing something? I've not being watching films or pictures of starving kids in Africa, but I've seen a few photos, only a few. Of course it's cruelty, but not can I see a kid being crushed to death in 1.5 minute..
25 Pawsleykat: I had to stop after 45 seconds. Oh GOD. What on earth would want to make a woman or anybody for that matter, do that to an innocent animal. I urge all
26 AR385: I have chosen not to see the video. I love animals, although I'm not a PETA freak. I believe that an animal life cannot be equated with a human life.
27 KROC: If I kid cannot get water or food or aid because the leaders of the country they are in are too worried about fighting the guys next door, then while
28 EWS: That video is rancid... I couldnt watch it all.. I have my dog laid next to me here and if i saw someone doing that to another dog, or any animal infa
29 777236ER: So you're saying it's more cruel for a puppy to be killed than for a child to starve? I don't think the idea that humans are better than animals is a
30 HBDAN: Have to agree with you here. The woman in the movie is SICK and does this terrible thing to the puppy. But try to open your minds guys... Much more i
31 KROC: In the manner the puppy was killed, by being stepped on with stilleto heels...yes. If a child is starving, other people can do their best to help out
32 JAGflyer: I cannot comprehend the purpose of that. Is stepping on a dog the newest crazy chinese medicinal belief that heals bad sex lebido? WTF is the purpose
33 AR385: Agreed. You couldn't have said it better
34 777236ER: Yet you said: when comparing a puppy to a child. My specific example was a child starving to death, which in my mind is more cruel than killing a pup
35 Aero145: Wow, I hope my thread isn't leading somewhere it shouldn't lead, I think at least it will, according to KROC: Oh well. Humans killing humans isn't goo
36 Aero145: Did I say that this is one of the worst things in the world? Well, it maybe isn't. Is Iceland a Western country? Oh, I didn't know that. We call this
37 KROC: I'm comparing the situations not a child to a puppy. A starving kid has a chance. Other humans around can do whatever they can to try and feed that c
38 777236ER: That's a bit of a convoluted argument. A starving child is essentially just as innocent as the puppy. I don't get what you're trying to say here. Oth
39 Nordair: For chrissakes 777236ER, let it go. Yes, there will always be things that are more cruel than another. Aero145 was telling the board of the cruelest t
40 KROC: True, but a starving kid stands a better chance at surviving that a puppy getting tortured to death. Other humans DO help starving children. Yes, not
41 Aero145: Killing animals for wool and meat is not the same as crushing a puppy do death, maybe just for a showoff.
42 777236ER: Again, what point are you trying to make? Other humans help starving animals too. Look how much money organisations like the RSPCA and the Ameican eq
43 Linco22: mmm I pondered over making a post but I will. I agree with KROC, its the way in which this killing happened. Aero145 is distessed as would anyone who
44 Rolfen: WTF is this? I am not watching this I dont need it.
45 Myt332: Human life is more precious than a dog's yet cruelty should not be tolerated. That's the end of it.
46 EWS: Probably not, Can't image what he would say if it was one of his own pets.. sad thing is though i don't think the guy has a caring bone in a his body
47 AirbusA346: Where's the video, because I can't find it. Tom.
48 BMIFlyer: As was mentioned earlier, mr 777 only appears to like stirring up trouble Lee
49 Aero145: I am seeing the same. It was gone when I came back from my school, I hope it'll show up again. There are more horrors on the site, man, it's horrible