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Yet Another "What Car To Buy" Thread  
User currently offlineAirwave From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1117 posts, RR: 3
Posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2895 times:

Right, you've all seen these threads before: I'm looking to purchase an auto--new or certified pre-owned (CPO)--within the next few weeks, but my mind is so toasted from looking at specs and options, pictures and reviews that I need someone else to do some thinking for me.  Big grin

I'm looking into proven (no first- or entry-year models) 4/5-door hatchbacks with good to great fuel economy. I plan on having the car for a while, so something that won't fall apart after a few years is ideal. Safety is key, so airbags everywhere, ABS, &c would be optimal.

I'd like a car that's comfortable for all passengers and has plenty of interior space and flexibility. It'll be a traveling and hauling car, but good handling and a decent ride would be a plus. I don't need an excess of features or accessories, but the basics would be nice (though I plan to splurge on a sunroof, haha). So that being said, I like the following four:


  • Ford Focus ZX5
  • Volkswagen Golf (Is it worth waiting for the Mk 5? How about spending extra for a used TDI?)
  • Toyota Matrix
  • Pontiac Vibe
I'm hoping to start hitting the lots soon to look and test drive, so we'll see. Anyway, I think that's all. Whadday'all think? Just post your yays and nays and other assorted opinions and I'll sit here and hope it helps, lol. Thanks to whoever posts a response.  Smile

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User currently offlineJutes85 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2878 times:

Take the Ford off the list because, well, its a ford.

If I would have to choose, it would be the Matrix.

Also, take a look at the Mazda3 5 door hatch:

http://www.mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/images/vehicles/gallery/M3H/pho_gallery_M3H_ext5.jpg


User currently offlineAirwave From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1117 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2861 times:

Quoting Jutes85 (Reply 1):
Take the Ford off the list because, well, its a ford.

Hmm, I was afraid of that, lol.

Quoting Jutes85 (Reply 1):
Also, take a look at the Mazda3 5 door hatch

I looked at them, but don't they share the same platform as the Focus? I figured I could save a few bucks by getting (mechanically, at least) the same auto. Are they that much better than their Ford counterparts? Hmmm...looks like yet another round of research for my besotted brain, lol.

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User currently offlineZippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5566 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2849 times:

Quoting Airwave (Thread starter):
I'd like a car that's comfortable for all passengers and has plenty of interior space and flexibility. It'll be a traveling and hauling car, but good handling and a decent ride would be a plus. I don't need an excess of features or accessories, but the basics would be nice (though I plan to splurge on a sunroof, haha). So that being said, I like the following four:

Out of your 4 choices, I'd not waste my time and bother with the Pontiac, Ford or even VW! Sadly VW like Mercedes has plummeted in owner satisfaction and reliability during the past several years. Check out JD Power and you will see. Also, check out Consumer Reports. Personally, I'd look at the new Toyota Yaris and especially the Honda Fit and Civic. Even though first year products, it is almost unheard of to have a Toyota or Honda be a lemon.
The Fit is ugly looking but got rave reviews in the car magazines. The Yaris 4 door is not bad looking for a small car. The 2 door is just plane FUGLY!
The new Civic is sleek looking (Coupe). Best of luck. And, I won't turn you down if you are buying a new car for me.  bigthumbsup 



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User currently offlineGreaser From Bahamas, joined Jan 2004, 1101 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2845 times:

Quoting Airwave (Reply 2):
I looked at them, but don't they share the same platform as the Focus? I figured I could save a few bucks by getting (mechanically, at least) the same auto. Are they that much better than their Ford counterparts? Hmmm...looks like yet another round of research for my besotted brain, lol.

Contrary to popular belief, the Focus is probably one of the BEST cars Ford has made. It's EUROPEAN design and function serve it well. Heck, even Top Gear gave the ST version 4 out of 5, and Consumer reports puts it at a recommended buy. Plus, EPA for the ZX5 has a good standing (not sure what year you're looking at). It's relability (Post 2002 model) is very good.

You want my tip? get a CPO Focus, '03-'04...you can get one with less than 17,000 miles for alot cheaper than '06 sticker. Plus, the 03-04 models have a nicer looking, more curved interior.



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User currently offlineJAGflyer From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 3584 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2844 times:

If it ain't Japanese it ain't going.


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User currently offlineAirwave From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1117 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2838 times:

Quoting Zippyjet (Reply 3):
Out of your 4 choices, I'd not waste my time and bother with the Pontiac

Well, I think the Pontiac is out, as I've discovered it's pretty much the Matrix: Rebranded, lol.

Quoting Zippyjet (Reply 3):
Sadly VW (...) has plummeted in owner satisfaction and reliability during the past several years.

*Sigh* yeah, so I've heard. I was kinda hoping to get a TDI for myself, because I've read they'll run on alternate biofuels as well as diesel--and get incredible MPG each way. Kinda was hoping to get a "be prepared" angle out of it, y'know? Lol.

Quoting Zippyjet (Reply 3):
The Fit is ugly looking but got rave reviews in the car magazines. The Yaris 4 door is not bad looking for a small car. The 2 door is just plane FUGLY!

I looked at these two and they were just a lil' too ugly for me, lol.

Quoting Zippyjet (Reply 3):
The new Civic is sleek looking (Coupe).

Yes, I spent hours drooling over it, but it's not what I need right now (sadly  Sad )

Quoting Zippyjet (Reply 3):
And, I won't turn you down if you are buying a new car for me.

Haha, you never know, you never know, lol. Big grin  Wink

Quoting Greaser (Reply 4):

 thumbsup  Thanks for that! I didn't realize the interior got redesigned...hafta head over to autosite and see the changes. But yes, I was looking at predominantly '04s.

Quoting JAGflyer (Reply 5):
If it ain't Japanese it ain't going.

Sooo...does this count for Mazda, even though Ford owns a majority share?  Wink Big grin

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User currently offlineAC773 From Canada, joined Nov 2005, 1730 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2820 times:

Quoting Airwave (Reply 2):
I looked at them, but don't they share the same platform as the Focus?

It's actually based on the European Focus which is a generation ahead of the one on this continent. It's an ugly, cheap-feeling car but it drives well and should be pretty reliable. It's my pick of the litter. As for the "real" Focus you're considering; don't bother with it. It's an American car built in Mexico. 'Nuff said.  Wink

-AC773



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User currently offlineFlyMIA From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7282 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2798 times:

Out of those choices the only one I would ever think about getting is the Golf. Ofcourse if I drove a VW Golf it would be a R32 but thats besides the point.
I find VW to be a great company I have many friends who drive VW and I drive one myself and never have had a major problem and niether have the many other VW owners I know. The Golf TDI is a nice car and the MPG is great. But if your not looking at VW anymore what about the new Dodge Calibur, nice car, good company and starts at $14,000.




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User currently offlineAA777 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 2544 posts, RR: 28
Reply 9, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2787 times:

Go with the Toyota or VW. With the VW you get fun driving and German engineering. and with the Toyota you will get Japanese quality/reliability that simple cant be beat. If you want something that will not fall apart, go with the Toyota. Try and get the Matrix Xr? (Whichever one has teh more powerful 180hp engine that is in the celica.) Its a peppy little engine, and the car is good looking.

I WOULD say get the VW simply b/c I am a huge german car fan, but knowing VW's sometimes less the stellar history for quality, I would probably recommend the Toyota first..... I definitely dont like the Ford.... the design is old and it really underperforms in comparison to the others....

Dont forget to check out Hondas! Great cars.

-AA777


User currently offlineMolykote From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1343 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2783 times:
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Go with the Toyota.

I love to drive and grew up surrounded by German cars. When the time came for me to spend my own money however I couldn't commit to the maintenance schedule that the German stuff requires (referring to BMW/MB/Audi - I never considered VW on par with the others). I bought a used Lexus ES300 (basically a Camry) instead. I don't know anyone that owned a Toyota and regrets it - I may be the closest thing out there to an unhappy Toyota owner but only because the driving experience is poor compared to my reference. The execution of Toyota products is excellent even though the design aims may be unexciting.



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User currently offlineA319XFW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2780 times:

Quoting Airwave (Thread starter):
Volkswagen Golf (Is it worth waiting for the Mk 5? How about spending extra for a used TDI?)

The Mk5 Golf is out now - don't you mean the Mk6 Golf due out a year earlier than planned, as the Mk5 isn't all what it was cooked up to be?
The GTD is a pokey car apparently - similar performance to the GTI, but with the fuel economy of a diesel.


User currently offlineTheSonntag From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 3789 posts, RR: 29
Reply 12, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2778 times:

What kind of TDI engine is sold in the USA, btw? In Germany, a nice car with a big Diesel engine is the way to get. There just was a nice comparision in AutoBild, and they concluded that above 80 mph, a Diesel was much more fuel efficient than a hybrid car... With some cars, you could still get 10litres/100km at 180 km/h (around 25 mpg at 107 mph average)...

But even at lower speeds, the mpg is incredible. I would say that a Diesel engine is perfectly suited for the US. It lasts long, it has a great mpg, and it has a lot of torque.

The quality of VW is not that bad. It is still much better than most other brands. Toyota is a little bit better, but these cars are boring as hell...

Now, I am biased, of course, since I would only buy German cars because I am German, but I really do think German cars are the best worldwide...


User currently offlineMolykote From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1343 posts, RR: 15
Reply 13, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2769 times:
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Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 12):
The quality of VW is not that bad. It is still much better than most other brands. Toyota is a little bit better, but these cars are boring as hell...

It seems that quality gets evaluated from 2 parameters:
(1) Precision of build and fit/finish
(2) Operational reliability

Often times these go hand-in-hand but exceptions do exist.
(Most Jaguars satisfy #1 but not #2)

VW makes cars that as a whole feel solid but aren't near a Toyota product for dependability and longevity (gasoline vs gasoline). My first car was an Audi (with VW engine) that my dad had used for years for business travel. I got rid of the car with 250,000 miles on the odometer and although the core of the powerplant was still good, a number of control system, electrical, and secondary hardware issues plagued the car throughout its life (even when younger).

Toyota products on the other had have (until recently) struck me as a little cheap feeling. However, all of these components that struck me as cheap continue to impress and operate dependably.

Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 12):
Now, I am biased, of course, since I would only buy German cars because I am German, but I really do think German cars are the best worldwide...

I thought you people were supposed to be rational! I'm a proud American but I wouldn't touch 90% of the cars produced by a US auto maker. I actually went through the trouble of buying an ES300 rather than a Camry because the ES300 was made in Japan and the Camry wasn't. I think Americans produce a number of good products but the cars (as a whole) aren't to my liking.



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User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7091 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2759 times:

Go for either the Toyota or the VW Golf, both are excellent and very reliable cars.
Between these two choose the car you like the most or offers the best price.
You can�t go wrong with either of these two.
Here in Germany I would say take the Golf, since it is the most popular car here -nearly everybody made his driver�s license on it and you have no problems to get it repaired and you got spares nearly everywhere. Don�t know about the US -but since the Jetta is very popular over there you should not have any problem with the Golf either. It is an usual car in the states since most people would drive a Toyota or Jetta instead if it.



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User currently offlineACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7657 posts, RR: 35
Reply 15, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2751 times:

Pontiac Vibe and Toyota Matrix are both the same car, just some cosmetic changes are present. Both are good cars, however, the handling is not there and are very poorly assembeled. They also have a very cheap paint and clearcoat and very prone to rock chips on the hood and on the wheel wells.

The Golf (in Canada and US at present, only the MK 4 is available, with the MK 5 now available as the GTI and the other models will be on the market later this year). One problem the VW´s have is that they constantly have broken lightbulbs so you´ll always be changing a light bulb somewhere. The MK 4 Golfs driver´s side head light is a real pain to change as well. The TDI´s do have some transmission issues (as do the Jetta TDI´s). Other then that, they are very well built cars and hold their resale value.

The Focus is a great car. As pointed out above, the North American version is one generation behind the European version and there is also a world of difference between the two. The focus is built in North America, but it is European designed and engineered. The handling is fantastic and has quite a bit of pep. The downside to the North American model is the cheap choice of materials used in the interior. Other then that, it´s a great car for the money.



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User currently offlineTheSonntag From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 3789 posts, RR: 29
Reply 16, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2721 times:

Quoting Molykote (Reply 13):

I thought you people were supposed to be rational! I'm a proud American but I wouldn't touch 90% of the cars produced by a US auto maker.

Well, when you read many posts on A.net, you will certainly see how much many US A.netters defend Boeing, because Boeing and the aviation industry as a whole certainly is a symbol for American products.

The car industry is of the same symbolic value in Germany. And, as a matter of fact, you will not find crappy German cars. I agree that some of the cars built in the 90s and this decade have issues with reliability on some parts like interior, or have electronic issues, but when you look on the car as a whole, you see how good the general product is... Toyota, while undoubtedly building very reliable cars, does not produce the same kind of class leader cars, they are just so average (=boring)...

To me, the quality of a car cannot be measured only by its "reliability", but it is a product of many factors like suspension, design, long term reliability, crash safety, innovation and so on. When you look on all this together, you will see why I prefer German cars... Or maybe not, but, as I have said before, I am biased  Wink


User currently offlineAirwave From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1117 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2720 times:

Quoting A319XFW (Reply 11):
The Mk5 Golf is out now - don't you mean the Mk6 Golf due out a year earlier than planned, as the Mk5 isn't all what it was cooked up to be?

Umm, I'm not a car guy, so you could be right...I thought it was that the Mk 5 GTI was out here, with the Mk 5 Golf (as Rabbit) coming to lots next month. But I could be wrong...

Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 12):
What kind of TDI engine is sold in the USA, btw?

Umm...according to the stats, it's a 100-hp 1.9L I-4 for the 2004-2006 model years. Prior to that it was a 90-hp 1.9L I-4. I hope that's what you're looking for...

Thanks to all for your responses! Much appreciated!

Airwave  eyebrow 



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User currently offlineAirwave From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1117 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2712 times:

Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 16):
To me, the quality of a car cannot be measured only by its "reliability", but it is a product of many factors like suspension, design, long term reliability, crash safety, innovation and so on.

Yup, agree with you 100%. Like I said, I'm not a car guy (hell, you could've asked me what a "MacPherson strut" was and I would've probably said it was some sort of dance...), but I realize that a decision rides on many more factors than reliability (or any other single factor) alone.

Of course, that means I've spent untold hours comparing every minute detail between vehicles just to make sure I understand everything as completely as possible. I think it's the German in me making itself known again, lol. Big grin

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User currently offlineMolykote From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1343 posts, RR: 15
Reply 19, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2698 times:
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Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 16):
Well, when you read many posts on A.net, you will certainly see how much many US A.netters defend Boeing, because Boeing and the aviation industry as a whole certainly is a symbol for American products.

The car industry is of the same symbolic value in Germany. And, as a matter of fact, you will not find crappy German cars. I agree that some of the cars built in the 90s and this decade have issues with reliability on some parts like interior, or have electronic issues, but when you look on the car as a whole, you see how good the general product is... Toyota, while undoubtedly building very reliable cars, does not produce the same kind of class leader cars, they are just so average (=boring)...

To me, the quality of a car cannot be measured only by its "reliability", but it is a product of many factors like suspension, design, long term reliability, crash safety, innovation and so on. When you look on all this together, you will see why I prefer German cars... Or maybe not, but, as I have said before, I am biased



Quoting Molykote (Reply 13):
It seems that quality gets evaluated from 2 parameters:
(1) Precision of build and fit/finish
(2) Operational reliability

Often times these go hand-in-hand but exceptions do exist.

I think if you'll review my post we agree that German cars are the most capable all around machines built. I grew up surrounded by them and have quite a bit of experience operating and maintaining them. BMWs are probably the easiest car I've ever maintained - probably by necessity.

I actually don't think BMWs (and German cars in general) are much worse than average in overall reliability. Compounding the problem, however, is the intensive maintenance schedule required of these (and most other) high performance machines.

We seem to have similar opinions on the technical merits of German cars. I'd love to have an M3 as I sorely miss my father's old one (E36 chassis) that spoiled me in high school (it wasn't mine but I had access and combined with a number of friends who raced I felt that I wasn't lacking for appreciation regarding German car driving dynamics). I have decided however that I won't let any car that I own place a meaningful burden on me financially - it's tough to appreciate the car technically if it's a burden financially. I have no moral objection to buying a McLaren F1 at $1.2 million (used by necessity) and spending $50k per year in maintenance (provided this amount of money isn't burdensome - unlikely at this point in my life!).

I currently drive a used Lexus that cost ~15% of my annual income. I am paying for this car via 30 month loan. Due to travel and other priorities (including a second car), this is roughly the level of outlay I intend to spend on a car for the indefinite future. I don't make bad money but I don't want to be consumed by car debt and maintenance either. Maybe at some point I'll splurge on an M3 or an old (993 series) Porsche. 10 years (hell even 5 years) ago I couldn't have imagined that I'd not be driving at least an M3 with my current job. Getting old is a bitch.

Sorry for hijacking this thread!



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User currently offlineTheSonntag From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 3789 posts, RR: 29
Reply 20, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2684 times:

Quoting Airwave (Reply 17):

Umm...according to the stats, it's a 100-hp 1.9L I-4 for the 2004-2006 model years. Prior to that it was a 90-hp 1.9L I-4. I hope that's what you're looking for...

OMG, what a boring engine  Wink

It is interesting that VW is selling completely different engines in the US than in Germany. I do know the 90 hp 1,9l engine, it is pretty old already. The 100 hp engine is still sold here, but it is only one of the 5 different TDI engines available, and certainly the most boring one...

In Germany, you can get the following TDI engines for the Golf 5 (which, btw, is sold since 2003 in Germany!)

1,9 90 hp 0-100 km/h in 12,9 seconds, Vmax 176 km/h
1,9 105hp 0-100 km/h in 11,3 seconds, Vmax 187 km/h
2,0 140 HP 0-100 km/h in 9,3 seconds, Vmax 205 km/h
2,0 170 HP 0-100 km/h in 8,2 seconds, Vmax 220 km/h

It should be noted that the mpg at normal speeds is almost identical...


User currently offlineBoeing Nut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2684 times:

Airwave,

With the criteria you have give, don't rule out the Toyota Prius either. That is if you can actually get your hands on one. At any rate, they do come with curtain air bags, and are much bigger on the inside than you think. In fact, the interior of the Prius is only one cubic foot smaller than the Camry. (2004 model year) The only critique I have about the Prius is that head room in the back is a bit tight, but then again, I'm 6'3". We have two kids so that part is a non factor. Of course, the gas milage on it is one of the, if not the best out there. I'm averaging 48-50 mpg on it right now. The pic isn't mine but is virtually identical to it.

Big version: Width: 600 Height: 335 File size: 41kb

I absolutely love mine and I have to honestly say that if I were to win a $100 million lottery, I would absolutely keep it.

Good luck!


User currently offlineAirwave From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1117 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2664 times:

Quoting Molykote (Reply 19):
Sorry for hijacking this thread!

Ehh, no worries. If you people keep posting off topic, it keeps this thread close to the top, thus increasing the chance that somebody will respond on topic, lol. Nah, I don't have an ulterior motive.  Wink

Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 20):
OMG, what a boring engine

and...

Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 20):
I do know the 90 hp 1,9l engine, it is pretty old already.

and...

Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 20):
and certainly the most boring one...

You just gotta keep rubbing it in, doncha?  Wink Lol.

Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 20):
In Germany, you can get the following TDI engines for the Golf 5

Quite the gamut of options there. I wonder which of those will grace us with their presence state-side and if it's worth waiting for one?

Quoting Boeing Nut (Reply 21):
don't rule out the Toyota Prius either. That is if you can actually get your hands on one.

Which, where I live, I really can't--new or used. The only thing is, as good as the fuel economy is and all, aren't there supposed issues with the longevity of the battery?

Anyway, seeing as it's pretty much the same as the Toyota Matrix, the Pontiac Vibe is out and I've replaced the Ford Focus with its counterpart, the Mazda MAZDA3. Sounds about right, I think, based on the info I've gotten thus far. Right now, I'm leaning towards a Golf TDi, but they're so damn hard to find!

Also, I was doing some more research and I came across the Hyundai Elantra 5-door, which some sites are saying is a hatchback, but it looks more like a, I guess it's "liftback" or "fastback"(?). What's the word on the street with this one? Thanks all, you've been great.  Smile

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User currently offlineNWA742 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2657 times:

Quoting Airwave (Reply 22):
You just gotta keep rubbing it in, doncha?

Well he's got a valid point.

Don't buy any of those cars, they are too slow and small.



-NWA742


User currently offlineBoeing Nut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2652 times:

Quoting Airwave (Reply 22):
aren't there supposed issues with the longevity of the battery?

From Wikipedia..

The battery pack of the 2004 Prius is guaranteed for 100,000 miles (160,000 km) or 8 years, although Toyota has stated that they expect it to last 15 years. The warranty is extended to 150,000 miles (240,000 km) or 10 years for Prius in California and several other states that adopted the Californian emission control standards.


At any rate, have fun no matter what you decide!


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