...some advocates for fuel conservation and safety have questioned the wisdom of boosting speed limits, but transportation officials said most drivers are already cruising at nearly 80 mph.
Carlos Lopez, TxDOT director of traffic operations, said a survey of both interstates found that 85 percent of motorists were driving up to 79 mph.
Texan From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 4204 posts, RR: 53 Reply 2, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3303 times:
I-20 through West Texas should be like the Autobahn: drive as fast as you can. It is boring, there is nothing there, and it leads to absolutely nothing. Might as well increase it to 80, the state troopers don't pull you over for doing it.
Texan
"I have always imagined that Paradise will be a kind of library."
ANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 4, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3275 times:
Quoting Texan (Reply 2): I-20 through West Texas should be like the Autobahn: drive as fast as you can. It is boring, there is nothing there, and it leads to absolutely nothing.
We bailed outta El Paso and headed east, when I-10 split off it was like no mans land forever. Michelle slept, and I cranked up that BMer of her's to 100mph plus . . . and it was awesome. Climbing into the mountains was very cool. I stopped once - picture time. Clear, beautiful out there and you could see forever. . . like a damn John Wayne western. Nothing but miles and miles of miles and miles. Saw one Texas Trooper . . . when I was at a gas station . . .
AT502B From South Africa, joined Dec 2004, 347 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3252 times:
80mph is pretty consevative thru West TX. A different story at night when deer flock onto the Interstates in the thousands, then 60mph is the way too fast
Birdwatching From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3573 posts, RR: 52 Reply 6, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3252 times:
80mph? Do I have to drive that slow?
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Bushpilot From South Africa, joined Jul 2007, 0 posts, RR: 1 Reply 7, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3212 times:
Having never been there, I dont know the entire landscape, but from what I understand huge stretches of straight flat highway, let em as fast as they want. Cue up the Darwin Award theme music is all I will say.
Edited to add, this was my 800th post, what a way to use it. Worthless.
Tom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 40 Reply 8, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3193 times:
Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 4): when I-10 split off it was like no mans land forever.
Very true.....but I'll take the I-10/I-20 west Texas drive any day over the I-10 north Florida drive any day of the year. Nonstop pine trees up to the side of the I from east of Pensacola most of the way to J-Ville. At least in Texas you can see further than 50 yards from the road.
Quoting Texan (Reply 2): the state troopers don't pull you over for doing it.
My boss would likely beg to differ.....he was bringing back a car from Arizona and got busted for speeding west of Abilene. Of course, the fact it was a brand new black Dodge Charger might have had something to do with it.
Tom at MSY
"The criminal ineptitude makes you furious"-Bruce Springsteen, after seeing firsthand the damage from Hurricane Katrina
Texan From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 4204 posts, RR: 53 Reply 9, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3177 times:
Quoting Tom in NO (Reply 8): My boss would likely beg to differ.....he was bringing back a car from Arizona and got busted for speeding west of Abilene.
Abilene to Midland is patrolled, but there ain't nothing or nobody out there between Odessa and El Paso
Texan
"I have always imagined that Paradise will be a kind of library."
Tom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 40 Reply 10, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3163 times:
Quoting Texan (Reply 9): there ain't nothing or nobody out there between Odessa and El Paso
Done that stretch a few times.....actually spent one night in Van Horn.....the Dairy Queen was the busiest place in town, as always. Usually we plow through to ELP or Deming.
Tom at MSY
"The criminal ineptitude makes you furious"-Bruce Springsteen, after seeing firsthand the damage from Hurricane Katrina
AirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 12, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3119 times:
My state rep here is Arizona introduced a bill to raise the interstate speed limit in rural Arizona to 80 twice in the last couple of years. Didn't go anywhere, the insurance lobby, DOT, all raised a stink..
I agree. I dont see the problem driving 80-100mph on a empty dry highway. Now if there is traffic or the weather is not good than it is just stupid. The autobahn seems to do fine why cant we atleast have the empty highways in the US have a limit up to 80mph. I does not make much of a difference to me as I will be doing 80+ all the time but it could save me from a big speeding ticket and make traffic flow a bit more smoothly and safely since drivers wont be afraid to drive a little bit faster.
I really would love to take my car on a autobahn type highway now that would be fun.
"It was just four of us on the flight deck, trying to do our job" (Captain Al Haynes)
Theredbaron From Mexico, joined Mar 2005, 1699 posts, RR: 4 Reply 16, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3082 times:
Id say that most people doesnt know how to drive safely let alone drive fast safely.
Tons of cars DO NOT have brakes to stop from 100mph to zero in a panic situation or a fast stop.
You can see that in a lot of so called "sport cars in the USA, that have counterparts in Europe, where they get proper equipment due to higher autobahn speeds.
A loaded SUV @ 90 mph is an accident waiting to happen let alone the gargantuan gas consumption.
a perfectly survivable accident in a normal sedan "Camry class" will not be in a high SUV like a LR or a navigator, because most of the time they will roll over... In MExico a LOT of people drive over the century mark in SUV, the accidents are very often fatal and quite nasty.
Yep driving fast is quite fun, but you need a proper sport car to drive over 90 most of the time....in SUVland it will only make more death stats and higher gas wasted to the air...
People who drive Navigators or Land Rover Discoveries over 100 are not the smartest people but not all SUVs are meant to be driven only under 100. Take my SUV for example a Volkswagen Touareg, The truck wieghs 5,500lbs empty, but its an SUV which you can take up to 120-130mph if you really want to. I have driven it at high speeds and I have driven a Mercedes CLK at high speeds also and I felt much more comfortble driving the Touareg at high speeds than the CLK, better breaking more stable less wind noise in the Touareg. I know of people who have takent he Touareg up to 140mph on the autobahn of course.
Other SUVs which can be driven at high speeds unlike the normal SUV are, Mercedes ML, X5, Range Rover Sport, Jeep SRT8,Porsche Cayenne. But I would never drive a large full sized SUV at high speeds. I would not even feel confortble driving a Ford Mustang at high speeds. There are just some cars which are meant to go fast and others which just should not.
Germans know how to make great cars. Meant for those German highways at high speeds.
"It was just four of us on the flight deck, trying to do our job" (Captain Al Haynes)
NIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 21, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3052 times:
Quoting Texan (Reply 2): I-20 through West Texas should be like the Autobahn: drive as fast as you can. It is boring, there is nothing there, and it leads to absolutely nothing. Might as well increase it to 80, the state troopers don't pull you over for doing it.
Been on that Highway many times as well as I40. Raise it already. I do 90 anyway and I go long periods of time without seeing anybody! New Mexico is just as bad. I think when it's daylight it should be 85 in some spots.
Itsjustme From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2765 posts, RR: 11 Reply 22, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3040 times:
I just drove from the L.A. area to Houston (Thurs a.m. to Fri a.m.). Took I-10 all the way. Most TX drivers were doing the posted limits or below and I passed sporadic patrol cars parked on the shoulder. Maybe I just hit an off day but I didn't notice anyone doing any 80mph driving.
Speaking of TX, what gives with that difference in the speed limit from day to night? In some areas, it was 70 during the day and 65 at night (others it was 75/65). A 5mph diffrence?
Quoting Pope (Reply 3): Just one more example that people like to bitch about high gas prices but don't really want to do anything to reduce consumption.
Falcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 23, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3040 times:
Quoting Pope (Reply 3): Just one more example that people like to bitch about high gas prices but don't really want to do anything to reduce consumption.
NIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 24, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days ago) and read 3025 times:
Quoting Itsjustme (Reply 22): Speaking of TX, what gives with that difference in the speed limit from day to night? In some areas, it was 70 during the day and 65 at night (others it was 75/65). A 5mph diffrence?
There is a big difference between day or night. Your visibility is cut down big time. If you were doing 90 in the dark on I40 and an animal was crossing the highway you would have no chance at stopping. When I drive to Nevada every winter I try to do all of my driving with the sun up. Remember no street lights out in the middle of nowhere and even with the best HIDs you still have limited visibility at night.
25 HPLASOps: I've done the I-10 ELP-SAT drive too many times - actually lost some of belongings on the road the last time I drove it (I was trying to cram all of i
26 Itsjustme: Really? There's a big difference between day and night? Wow, I didn't know that. Thanks for bringing that to "light". Hey, do you suppose that's wher
27 NIKV69: Been on that stretch many times! I tell ya I like the stretch of 95 between Searchlight and Vegas. You can really go down on the pedal. The stretch f
28 Itsjustme: Call it what you'd like but when I say 70mph and you post back and use 90mph to try and make a point, that's embellishing. If in fact the posted limi
29 Theredbaron: Completelly agree the Touareg and The Cayenne have Big brakes standard due to their european design. They even ower themselves after getting over 45m
30 HPLASOps: I haven't been that way in awhile, but the last time I was on that road (probably 5 summers ago), it was only 1 lane each way, meaning you had cross
31 TheSonntag: Sometimes I see why it is so nice to live in Germany While we, in fact, have speed limits in urban areas (around 50% of the network might have limits,
32 NIKV69: I think 85 would make sense I mean it's 75 now outside the city limits. You should drive on it now! Been a lot of changes. From Laughlin to Searchlig
33 KaiGywer: Call it whatever you want. Even with a higher speed limit, people will speed and still produce revenue as you call it.
34 Gilligan: Yeah there is. NIKV69 is exactly right. The deer come out in force after dark and if you try and keep up even the legal 65 you're going to have an un
35 Aloges: Definitely. I always get a kick out of these threads about driving. Definitely. I've often read some American a.netters' wishes for better driver edu
36 KaiGywer: Add to that list that Germans are generally great on moving out of your way with a slight flash of high beams. We had that happen somewhere north of
37 SATX: 100% I could not possibly agree more. Signed, 90% of the Americans who complain about the price of gas! It was a mere ticket and not a felony arrest?
38 NIKV69: Oh no doubt! I have circled the country every winter for the last 5 years in my car and trust me if I am still on the interstate after dusk I keep it
39 Senorcarnival: If he was doing 242 mph, he didn't get a ticket. That's at least a misdemeanor. I'm not sure if this varies by county, but at least in some counties
40 SATX: It becomes a felony at 25MPH+ over the speed limit. Should have been arrested and hauled off with his car left sitting by the side of the road for a
41 Gilligan: The cops were probably trying to figure out how to work one of those into their budget for the next year! lol My question would be what did they have
42 KaiGywer: This same thread is on another (police) forum, and they have some good points as well. Driver's training is a joke here in the US. The following is th
43 Tom in NO: Oops, forgot about that place.....and we gotta keep the caverns at Sonora in mind, as well . Tom at MSY
44 FDXMECH: I'm listening to Marty Robbins "El Paso" right now. If West Texans wants to drive 80 send em up here to drive the New Jersey Turnpike. I disagree. I d
45 SATX: You claim you disagree, but you have presented nothing that backs up your view. In fact, you've only inadvertently supported his view even further by
46 FDXMECH: I don't need you to show people I'm an idiot, I can do it myself. I believe in conservation especially in the cause that it's our best way of controll
47 AC773: I quoted Top Gear there, so I don't know what the precise circumstances were, though I would imagine the person got arrested. IIRC, anything more tha
48 TheSonntag: Which, in fact, is a criminal offense. So this can be a very expensive behaviour... A good car uses less fuel at 120 mph than a SUV at 60mph...
49 Itsjustme: Ah yes, American arrogance at it's finest.
50 SATX: We're talking about Texas. There are no good cars here, just lots of huge trucks and SUV's mixed in with a few American muscle cars for good measure.
51 LOT767-300ER: Ah yes, American inability to comprehend how any vehicle can move above the posted speed limit.
52 Itsjustme: Nope, I copmprehend it just fine. According to you, that's all cops do is drive above the posted speed limit. Speed limits are there for a reason. Do
53 N1120A: I-10 is even worse Except that there are many cars, mine included, that turn in better economy at higher speeds than the posted speed limits. I have
54 TransWorldSTL: But. The autobahn is built WAY better than our highways.. It's much thicker, almost no potholes/debris/problems.. Driving fast isn't a problem becaus
55 TedTAce: Yeap, this is something else I'll gladly wave my own hypocrite flag for. For the most part I LOVE to cruise @ 80 on the TPK (and I-4 occasionally) wh
56 Itsjustme: It appears as though the U.S. Department of Energy disagrees with you: http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/3863416.html May 15, 2006, 5:
57 Pilotdude09: Bit off topic, But on the LA freeways the limit is 60mph? but i have read on alot of forums that when its not gridlock you can go as fast as you want.
58 KaiGywer: Hmm, didn't know that. Just noticed a lot of people doing it, so we tried it ourselves and it worked Legally, no. Possibly, sure.
59 FDXMECH: Let me ask you. Are the Germans arrogant as well. You know, the autobahn?
60 MFEFlyer: It's not fuelconservation, you waste more gas at 80MPH
61 Tom in NO: Done that route starting at Flagstaff when returning from the Grand Canyon back in '99.....with our (at the time) 4-month old daughter. That would up
62 Comorin: N1120A, I am a little confused by your post above: Drag increases as the square of wind velocity. At 80 mph, the drag on your car is (6400/3025) or a
63 Comorin: Oops, I made a mistake . At 80 mph, you would have covered a mile in 55/80 of the time, so the mpg only increases linearly. In other words, your fuel
64 TheSonntag: In fact, each engine has a certain envelope inside which it is most efficient. However, if you drive a car in the highest gear (Ok, you guys mostly ha
65 MD-90: Our Grand Caravan is very stable and drives like it's on rails at 115. Fuel economy was not good... When I scan in a picture, I'll show you what it lo
66 Itsjustme: I don't know any Germans and, therefore, don't feel I am qualified to answer your question. That being said, if they share the same attitude as Gilli
67 Theredbaron: Just to put some perspective: Mexico City to Acapulco with my Mom and a Niece, took it slowly and drove all the time at 65mph, One tank 55 Liters and
68 LOT767-300ER: Hardly. I already wrote letters to my city asking for limits to be raised, unsuccessfully...too bad. Speed Limits on open interstates especially West
69 VonRichtofen: Lower speed limits do not make highways safer. Proper driver education and adherance to the lane designations (right lane=slow lane, left lane=fast la
71 TedTAce: Not exactly, but you are on the right track. For me the bottom line about speed versus allegedly increased incidences of accidents is the fact that p
72 KaiGywer: Which is why most European countries have banned cell phone use while driving.
73 Itsjustme: If you're going to quote me, at least do it correctly. The word I used was arrogant not ignorant. Also, as much as this probably chaps your ass, a po
74 N1120A: Actually, our highways are built to Autobahn standards with further improvements in materials and technology That all depends on where you are. In Ca
75 Tom in NO: True.....except for the timeless Pasadena Freeway, which has no peer when it comes to straight up fun-to-drive, glad-I-don't use the Marmion Way/Via
76 N1120A: Ah yes, good ol' CA 110. The reason the stretch of that freeway east of the 101 is still listed as a State Route is because it is not and will never
78 Itsjustme: Because I said so. Signed, LOT767-300ER
79 N1120A: Compare the Montana statistics or those comparing Germany and the US as a whole.
80 TheSonntag: In Denmark, accident rates on motorways went down after the speed limit was raised from 110 km/h to 130 km/h. Germany has a better accident rate than
81 Itsjustme: This has to be one of, if not the most ridiculous statement in the thread.
82 TheSonntag: Have you been to Germany? I have been to Denmark, Germany, and the Netherlands, and believe me, people in Germany Do drive better on the motorways, a
83 Comorin: Please see my 'Oops' follow-on! The issue of gearing is used to overcome the torque/RPM characteristics of an ICE (unlike a series-wound electric mot
84 SATX: Source? Every single time I've heard/read/seen them compared I have been told the opposite. Montana? Are you kidding me? - Modern Montana always had
85 TheSonntag: Please don't try to explain to me the German legal system. I do know our Straßenverkehrsordnung. Anyway, Germany has 50 in towns, 100 on normal road
86 RoseFlyer: I must say that this is one of the stupidist statistics I have heard in a long time. What is the meaning of that? It says that sometimes people drive
87 Petertenthije: Can you compare the two? The differences are enourmous. There are numerous reason the fatality rate at German autobhans is low, and I am fairly certa
88 LTBEWR: Hell, I can already go 80 mph on a clear interstate (I-80) in New Jersey on some days on some parts of it and the cops aren't around Add to that vehi
89 SATX: I'm not trying to explain anything; I'm trying to get you to explain your comments instead of leaving out important details. Ahh, so I was right and
90 FlyMIA: I agree with you there. I was driving my Touareg last night on an empty highway and decided to see what kind of MPG I get at highspeeds. So I turn on
91 RoseFlyer: For a vehicle that weighs 5500 lbs and is not very aerodynamic, those numbers aren't that bad. I drove a Toureg around for a week on loaner and will
92 TheSonntag: There was a very interesting test at Auto Bild last week, where they checked the fuel consumption at higher speeds using a test ground... First of al
93 Comorin: Roseflyer, thanks for your usual perceptive and excellent analysis! Clearly the go-to engineer on a.net. TheSonntag, thanks for sharing those fascinat
94 RoseFlyer: A hybrid powertrain doesn't do much to improve efficiency at steady state operations on a freeway. In fact hybrids can be less efficient since they c
95 SATX: Sorry, but I have to call BS on this post. 1. My hybrid gets significantly better mileage on city streets and on the highway. 2. I am not aware of an
96 LOT767-300ER: I know I got cited for that once when I was going maybe 2 over the limit. The judge felt that the police officer was a wank (maybe it was you ) and h
97 Comorin: If you read Roseflyer's sentence correctly, he is taking about steady state at highway speeds, and his logic is irrefutable. Nobody is saying that he
98 SATX: First, RoseFlyer says... RoseFlyer doesn't bother to specify what the hybrid is supposedly less efficient than, but I'm assuming he's talking about n
99 Itsjustme: Nah, I can be an asshole at times (AT TIMES ) but even I wouldn't stop, much less write someone for going 2 over the posted. Are you sure there isn't
100 SATX: Conventional vehicles are generally most efficient at the slowest possible speed that is appropriate for the highest possible gear (typically referri
101 RoseFlyer: Mr. SATX, please be a little more polite. I am not making stuff up. You just misunderstood me. I have some knowledge of hybrids since while in college
102 RoseFlyer: You are kind of right there. But the most efficient speed is not necessarily at the slowest speed at the highest gear. For engines at least there is
103 SATX: The autobahn is a very small bit of road compared to all the highways that have speed limits. Also, the day may be soon approaching when even the Aut
104 RoseFlyer: You bring up an interesting point. The reason for gas/diesel electric hybrids for locomotives is different than for cars. As far as I know, locomotov
105 SATX: I think you're jumping to an odd conclusion. The verge of stalling is obviously not an appropriate speed for the highest possible gear. There is no h
106 TheSonntag: Never Ever. Guns will never be banned in the US, and a general speed limit on the Autobahn will not come Besides, the accident statistics go the othe
107 LTBEWR: Diesel-electric locomotives are not like hybrid cars as they don't use batteries. The Diesel engine powers generators to create electricty to the run
108 Comorin: An important benefit of a Diesel Electric powertrain is that locos need very high torque at low rpm to get rolling, while an ICE has low torque at low
109 Comorin: Professors Von Karmann and Reynolds would be personally hurt by that statement! The resistance from the wind is a smooth quadratic curve that's there
110 SATX: I've been looking for a name for this but I can't seem to find it. Nevertheless, I've heard about this many times. Somewhere in the 60-70mph range th
111 Comorin: OK, I will try and look for it too - thanks.
112 SCCutler: While you may well be a gifted engineer in some discipline or another, you seem to have missed the concept of safely setting speed limits so that the
113 Itsjustme: So using this line of reasoning, 6 months from now when people are now doing 90mph in an 80mph zone, the answer will be to raise the limit to 90mph?
114 SATX: the 85th percentile is BS in my view. Sure, some use it, but it's not the best way to handle the situation. Automated cameras up and down the interst
115 Itsjustme: Fines? Nope. For that we take their car.
116 SATX: Sweet! I have to be honest though, I see a lot of cars with those funny covers over the plates that block the view unless you're right behind them. T
117 LOT767-300ER: What are you talking about? I adhere to speed limits + 5-7mph over always unless im on the interstate where 55mph is pointless. Even you can attest t
118 SATX: This is just one more example of why we need to tie traffic fines to family income levels. A few dozen multi-thousand dollar tickets might put a dent
119 TheSonntag: Or, maybe, a state should not make redicululous regulations, but regulations people understand. Flexibility is the key, that is why Austria is testin
120 SATX: Acceptance has nothing to do with it; compliance is all that's required. Not only are most vehicles on the road not intended to be run at 100mph (goi
121 Pilotsmoe: The newer exit lanes on highways here tend to be alot longer than the older exits. Some of the Newer exits I saw almost give you a mile(1600 m) to sl
122 KaiGywer: Daytime speed limit was "reasonable and prudent". Meaning, don't drive faster than conditions. Same goes on the Autobahn, I was in Germany in 2002, a
123 Comorin: I think we are all looking at the speed limit issue the wrong way: 1. We want to drive fast, great. But do your really want other people to drive fast
124 RoseFlyer: I don't think that will do much. What should happen is that the law should limit the number of tickets that you can get. 3 tickets means license susp
125 TheSonntag: You raise an important issue... Try to drive the left lane of the A3 at 120mph... It is entertaining, but serious business, and people drive like cra
126 Comorin: Question: I was taught to only look in the mirror before changing lanes. In Germany, do you actually turn your head to look back as part of Driver Ed
127 Itsjustme: It's been awhile but I'm pretty sure we were taught to check the rearview mirror every 10 seconds. I think this is also what the DMV suggests as a st
128 RoseFlyer: I fully agree that the speed difference between vehicles needs to be minimized. I just don't understand what the statistic justifying the speed limit
129 N1120A: First, there is more than one lane on the highway. Trucks are supposed to use the lane further to the right unless they are doing an immediate pass.
130 SATX: Your point being? The fact that hybrid sedans have smaller, more efficient engines that get better gas mileage still gives the same result, regardles
131 Itsjustme: You know, all this talk about Germany and the autobahn is really interesting but I think some of you need to re-read the thread title. Way back when,
132 SATX: It's funny/sad how many people never seem to pick up on that. Research shows that it's mainly about what your mind is on and not where you hand happe
133 BHXFAOTIPYYC: Not always. I drove from Munich to Calais last month, and I was surprised by the famed Autobahn. Firstly it is obvious that some areas haven't been s
134 Comorin: Exactly. It's bad enough that our cabbies in NYC are permanently wired while driving, but the real culprits here are the Range Rover moms parallel pa
135 KaiGywer: Well, I've taken both a Norwegian test, and a Minnesota test. Let me recap. Norway Theory 75% failrate first time around. Multiple choice with 1-4 co
136 N1120A: Car and Driver for one. A Geo Metro does better than that My point is that if you compare apples to apples, the hybrid wont do better. The average ne
137 Skywatch: I say raise the limit. West Texas is very boring unless you're in the Guadelupe Mountains. And hey, if you crash going 75, you die. If you crash going
138 FDXMECH: Interesting concept. A concept that in fact allow jets to girdle the world despite using lots of fuel. Jet aircraft use huge volumes of fuel but the
139 SATX: The question: Fewer accidents than what/where? The answer: Car and Driver for one. That was fun. For someone who accuses me of comparing apples and o
140 SATX: Jet aircraft are not efficient from a fuel used per mile per passenger stand point or any other obvious scale I can think of outside of time.
141 FDXMECH: The fact is, turbine engines consume large amounts of fuel at a fairly rapid pace. That being the case, how can jet aircraft span such longs distance
142 SATX: Are you sure the answer isn't massive fuel tanks?
143 TheSonntag: That is not completely true. Most airplanes have a fuel consumption of 3 litres per passenger and 100km when they are full. A usual European car has
144 SATX: I cannot in good conscience consider a jet aircraft to be an efficient transportation method when it's so much worse than other common technology suc
145 TheSonntag: Yes, but these means of transportation are MUCH slower. Efficiency is not only about absolute numbers, it is also about time. And transporting 100 to
146 Lijnden: Pollution or not... I cannot get my V8 Explorer over 170 km/h (around 110 mph) on the German Autobahn (or what is left of it!). I guess it has somethi
147 N1120A: If you look at the rest of what I quoted, you asked for a source, and I gave you one. As far as fewer accidents than what/where, the numbers compared
148 SATX: No doubt it's economical (for American salaries), but it's also terribly inefficient. There's a difference, but you wouldn't know it to live here. Ne
149 N1120A: Like I said. If you have a Prius or a Civic Hybrid, you have a CVT, which is supposed to be more efficient than a manual. Beyond that, if a manual is
150 SATX: Actually, the Civic Hybrid also had a manual transmission when I bought mine. It was rated 45/51 verses 47/48 for my CVT. Yes. Significantly. I find
151 N1120A: We are talking about fuel efficiency, not size. Also, see below The source is the driver of the car Yes, that is what I am saying. They should be. Th
152 SATX: Size and efficiency are inseparable and your refusal to admit that is what makes your view pointless. If they weren't, all airlines would be flying r
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