Pope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (7 years 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2288 times:
This kid is an idiot.
Killed a 6 year old girl when he was 12, got convicted of it after rejecting a plea deal. He got the conviction overturned on a technicality. Takes a plea deal that keeps him out of prison but on probation. Then gets busted for having a knife while on probation. The judge tells him that this is his last chance.
What does the 'tard do, he robs a pizza guy (with a gun) - Florida has a very strict gun law when a gun is used in any sort of felony.
Judge gives him 30 years!
Have a nice life Lionel. Young fresh meat like you is going to be in high demand in the SLAMmer.
NWA742 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2279 times:
What a complete freaking moron. Lock him up and throw away the key. Hopefully he'll enjoy 30 years with all his new intimate friends. Better yet, for Earth's sake, he may /himself after just one fun time jail "encounter" with his fellow inmates.
DeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 16 Reply 2, posted (7 years 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2267 times:
When will the Florida Highway Patrol fire his mother from the force? She has no business being responsible for law enforcement when she can't even control her hoodlum son. Good riddance to bad rubbish. Here's to 30 years of thrice daily anal rape.
I would guess they are sending him up to Starke for his stay. What a wonderful place to be!
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KFLLCFII From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3262 posts, RR: 33 Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2261 times:
Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 2): When will the Florida Highway Patrol fire his mother from the force? She has no business being responsible for law enforcement when she can't even control her hoodlum son.
And if I remember correctly, it was her service gun that Tate used during the robbery!
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AirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 26 Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2218 times:
Obviously, Tate, hasnt learned a THING since being convicted the first time around.
Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 4): If that doesn't get her fired from the force then I have no idea what will.
She can get fired if the department finds that she kept the gun laying around unsecured. But if it was locked up (like it always SHOULD) be and Tate broke into the locked 'compartment' whatever the case may be, then she would get a slap in the hand. But after all that has happened since 1992, she should have resigned from the force on the grounds of 'conflict of interest' and went elsewhere for a job.
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Bushpilot From South Africa, joined Jul 2007, 0 posts, RR: 1 Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2209 times:
While I dont think he deserved a life sentance or even to be tried as an adult when this first came down a few years back, he blew it on this one and deserves his 30 years. I hope he enjoys it thouroughly.
LHMARK From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 7255 posts, RR: 51 Reply 9, posted (7 years 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2189 times:
I agree that the 30 years is appropriate for this idiot, but I guess I'm in the minority in this thread for having no particular desire to see the dumbass get anally raped.
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TedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 10, posted (7 years 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2159 times:
Quoting LHMARK (Reply 9): I agree that the 30 years is appropriate for this idiot, but I guess I'm in the minority in this thread for having no particular desire to see the dumbass get anally raped.
There is VERY little that I like about Pope. I think very lowly of most of his statments/comments/opinions. BUT; this time he's got it dead on top center. LH, if you lived in South Florida, you'd know just what a piece of $hit this boy is. 30 years is a good start, but unfortunately I'll go dimes to dollars he won't last a year outside after that. Some people you just can't reach, and this dumbass is a definitive example of this.
LTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 51 Reply 11, posted (7 years 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2154 times:
Quoting Pope (Thread starter): Killed a 6 year old girl when he was 12, got convicted of it after rejecting a plea deal. He got the conviction overturned on a technicality. Takes a plea deal that keeps him out of prison but on probation. Then gets busted for having a knife while on probation. The judge tells him that this is his last chance.
What does the 'tard do, he robs a pizza guy (with a gun) - Florida has a very strict gun law when a gun is used in any sort of felony.
Judge gives him 30 years!
What a complete jackass! He got two other chances, and he blows it. He got those 30 years coming. May he enjoy those 30 years in Sing Sing.
Quoting NWA742 (Reply 1): Better yet, for Earth's sake, he may /himself after just one fun time jail "encounter" with his fellow inmates.
I'm sure it's a matter of time before they "toss the salad" with him.
Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 5): But after all that has happened since 1992, she should have resigned from the force on the grounds of 'conflict of interest'
I agree. Though I recall in Hamburg a rape incident, where the father of the rapist was actually high up in the ranks of Hamburg's Police. And he tried to give his son a good life after he adopted him, though I believe the kid was already somewhat abused of when the policeman adopted him.
DeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 16 Reply 12, posted (7 years 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2142 times:
Quoting LTU932 (Reply 11): May he enjoy those 30 years in Sing Sing.
We don't send our inmates from Florida to upstate New York. He'll probably get sent to some facility in south Florida but we can always hope for the state prison up in Starke where the best salad tossers live.
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JCS17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 43 Reply 14, posted (7 years 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2112 times:
Thirty years... parole in eight or less. You can bet on it, welcome to the American justice system (I'm becoming more and more libertarian on drugs by the day...ughhh).
He should've had an appointment set with ol' Sparky a while ago. Not that it really matters, this guy is going to have a blast in prison, and when he gets out, he'll probably be killed by someone. Whatever works.
LTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 51 Reply 15, posted (7 years 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2096 times:
Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 12): We don't send our inmates from Florida to upstate New York.
I was just using the term Sing Sing as saying jail or prison (just like in German we say many times "Knast" instead of "Gefängnis" or "JVA (Justizvollzugsanstalt, it means Judicial Correctional Facility)", I didn't know the actual prison still exists.
Quoting JCS17 (Reply 14): Thirty years... parole in eight or less.
He can still get out on parole? I don't get it. They should just lock him up and throw away the key for what he's done.
TedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 17, posted (7 years 22 hours ago) and read 2078 times:
Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 2): When will the Florida Highway Patrol fire his mother from the force? She has no business being responsible for law enforcement when she can't even control her hoodlum son.
By the way, this is another point some articles make (Orlando Sentinel).
His mom has been his guide for legal strategy. Her hopes were that this time he'd get the conviction(s) but ONCE again get them overturned on appeal and spend about a year in jail total. She's operating under the 'my cousin Vinny" school of law (Skip the araignment, the trial, and the sentencing; then move straight to the appeals.) Maybe the blow would be softened if she had the money to hire my Dad who's speciality is apellate law (after 20 years on the apeals bench)..
While Lionel Tate is by NO MEANS innocent, the fact his mother thinks she some kind of effing legal whiz JUST BECAUSE she's a trooper is as offensive as the idea of me greasing the landing of a Concorde after the whole crew (but not me) were mysteriously incapacitated.
Maybe we shouldn't be scolding her for being an incompitent parent (per say), maybe we ought to look @ FHP for for hiring a lady who's mental state is so publicly delusional.
LTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 12329 posts, RR: 12 Reply 18, posted (7 years 21 hours ago) and read 2073 times:
Yes, Ms. Tate shoud have been fired years ago for her then minor son's serious criminal beheavor. But to me Lionel has very deep and serious mental health problems. Jail never has been and never will help him. We have no other alternative but to jail him as it is too late to help and he has to be kept away from society. What happens if he lives another 30 years? He will be totally unemployable, and still mentally ill. It's too bad we couldn't return to the time when we had huge state run hospitals to keep the dangerously mentally ill from society forever. But they don't exist anymore due to changes in treatments and human rights issues changed that along with the horrible and cheap treatment those in those institutions got.
Fumanchewd From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 19, posted (6 years 12 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2042 times:
Quoting JCS17 (Reply 14): Thirty years... parole in eight or less. You can bet on it, welcome to the American justice system (I'm becoming more and more libertarian on drugs by the day...ughhh).
Quoting LTU932 (Reply 15): He can still get out on parole?
I love how everyone on a.net thinks that this is the way the justice system works. Parole has been abolished in most states within the last several decades. In the case of Florida, only those with life and 25 years mandatory years or convicted before 1983 are eligble for parole. Here is an explanation.
He will most likely be eligible for probation, but only after minimum 85% of time served. I'll let you do the math-it is a considerable amount of time.
If this kid keeps up with this attitude he'll have other charges brought up while he's in. It's common for repeat criminals to wrack up additional assault or drug charges inside.
Please, stop believing the unsupported and rhetorical BS politicians spout off about inmates only serving 25% of their sentences. It rarely happens. So one more time.....parole, for the most part, is gone, and probation averages at least 70% ots, differing from state to state.
Pope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 21, posted (6 years 12 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2032 times:
Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 18): Yes, Ms. Tate shoud have been fired years ago for her then minor son's serious criminal beheavor. But to me Lionel has very deep and serious mental health problems. Jail never has been and never will help him. We have no other alternative but to jail him as it is too late to help and he has to be kept away from society. What happens if he lives another 30 years? He will be totally unemployable, and still mentally ill. It's too bad we couldn't return to the time when we had huge state run hospitals to keep the dangerously mentally ill from society forever. But they don't exist anymore due to changes in treatments and human rights issues changed that along with the horrible and cheap treatment those in those institutions got.
I agree. There's a certain element of society that for whatever reason doesn't want to be part of society. Some are mentally ill from a medical perspective and some are just antisocial. It's interesting to note that throughout a long time in ancient Greece, the worst punishment you could receive was bannishment from the society not death (though having to fend for yourself during that time was pretty damn hard).
The notion was the if you couldn't conform your behavior to be a part of society, society would no longer accept you as part of its membership.
I personally believe that no amount of time in jail will ever change this punk for the better. Whatever damage has caused his behavior, be it genetic or upbringing is now permanent. While I am now anti-death penalty on grounds related to its demonstrated error rate, I just don't know what we as a society can do with someone like this.
AirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 26 Reply 22, posted (6 years 12 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2022 times:
Pope in reply #21 states: "I personally believe that no amount of jail time will change this punk...."
My response: I disagree! Think SuperMax Prisons! That place will kill you, not physically but it WILL mentally and morally! Nuff said.
Disclaimer: never been to jail or seen a SuperMax prison. But I've read stories on it...scary shit!
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N1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 25852 posts, RR: 80 Reply 23, posted (6 years 12 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2015 times:
Quoting JCS17 (Reply 14): He should've had an appointment set with ol' Sparky a while ago.
For what? He was 12 years old.
Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 22): Think SuperMax Prisons! That place will kill you, not physically but it WILL mentally and morally! Nuff said.
Yeah, nothing like cruel and unusual punishment
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Pope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 24, posted (6 years 12 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2009 times:
Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 22): Pope in reply #21 states: "I personally believe that no amount of jail time will change this punk...."
My response: I disagree! Think SuperMax Prisons! That place will kill you, not physically but it WILL mentally and morally! Nuff said.
But isn't that exactly the problem? Assuming that this punk serves every last day of his sentence and makes it out alive. He'll be 49 years old and be in your words "dead" both mentally and morally. Then he gets put out onto the street to interact with the rest of society. How can that be a good thing for anyone?
AirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 26 Reply 25, posted (6 years 12 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1982 times:
Pope: when one is placed in SuperMax, the chances of EVER getting out in his/her lifetime is a snowballs chance in hell. The person goes in dangerous, yes. But if they were released from SuperMax, they are 20 times more dangerous than they were when they first went into SuperMax. That's why there is no chance in hell any inmate coming out alive in that place. Hence the name "SuperMax".
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