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When Did The Music Scene Go Bad?  
User currently offlineFfis34 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 318 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3365 times:

so i am 16 and a huge fan of the 60's and 70's and im sat here listening to bob dylan who i love...but i was out on a date tonight, and all i heard was this stupid rap stuff and this "emo" music and all they talk about is how life is so bad or how there egos are so big all the ladies just come to them....where did we go wrong...what happen to bands like the grateful dead, bob dylan, hendrix, simon and garfunkle....well i mean today we have dave matthews band, which are excellent musicians and we had phish until about 2 years ago...and ben harper and jack johnson and mike doughty, they dont even compare to the 60's music...


this rap and emo stuff represent the wrong prospectives on everything, i mean is life really so bad you want to slit your wrists and die, is every black person alive really a pimp or come from the ghetto....now i am more then aware that bob dylan and grateful dead werent exactly the best examples of bands who send a good message to kids


all i want to know is when did we go wrong in the music world...why rap, why punk/emo music...or am i just messed up for thinking this



sorry for the lack of organization in my thoughts


brad


Chris, since we are in jail I need to say something to you. Dont drop the soap
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User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3361 times:

I'm not sure why the music scene is what it is. I can only point to demand, or else why would such music be constantly aired?

User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7438 posts, RR: 50
Reply 2, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3358 times:
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Quoting Ffis34 (Thread starter):
all i heard was this stupid rap stuff

This is the problem with music. The "emo" music, no matter how excruciating, at least takes at least some talent. Rap on the other hand, doesn't.



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User currently offlineKFLLCFII From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3309 posts, RR: 30
Reply 3, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3352 times:

Quoting Ffis34 (Thread starter):
all i want to know is when did we go wrong in the music world

Ironically, the parents of those who grew up listening to Dylan, the Dead, Hendrix, etc., who themselves grew up listening to the big bands, Glenn Miller, Sinatra, etc., said the same thing about their children's music!

History repeats itself, time and again. This time is no different...



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User currently offlineCastleIsland From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3347 times:

Quoting Ffis34 (Thread starter):
so i am 16 and a huge fan of the 60's and 70's and im sat here listening to bob dylan who i love

What a remarkable statement from a 16-year old...Dylan is one of the handfull of musicians who changed popular music forever, and the single greatest lyricist in all of rock history. I can see why some do not care for him, but I think he's right at the top.

If you ask me, popular music hit a downward trend in 1975, and had a few marginal rebounds in 1979 (e.g., Pretenders, Blondie), and...well, I can't think of much. There was always a sideline of bands like Rush that produced good music from 1975-1981 (some would argue longer...), but by and large, I left everything current behind around the time I went to college in 1981 and listened to Yes, the Beatles, The Dead, Dylan and that sort. I cannot remember a single radio-popular song that I cared for from 1981-1991. It certainly hasn't got much better since then, with a few exceptions (that I can't even name).

Go listen to Dylan's "Desolation Row" 47 times through; that's my advice...

[Edited 2006-05-19 05:04:19]

User currently offlineBobster2 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3327 times:

July 3, 1971.

filler


User currently offlineKFLLCFII From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3309 posts, RR: 30
Reply 6, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3327 times:

Quoting Bobster2 (Reply 5):
July 3, 1971.

Paris, France.



"About the only way to look at it, just a pity you are not POTUS KFLLCFII, seems as if we would all be better off."
User currently offlineFfis34 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 318 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3313 times:

i am 16 now, and these kids walk around with there flippen pants at there knees with there boxers showing and the worst part about it is they have belts on these pants but they still cant manage to keep them up, and there shirts are 70 bucks for something that looks like garbage...why look like a complete ass, because its cool to dress like that, i fail to understand how that is cool, then theres the emo punk scene, tight tight pants, cuts on the wrist(well the dedicated ones anyways) tight band tee's these emo kids think there diffrent from everyone else, they are the same as the next emo kid...



20-30 years from today, i will be ashamed to let my kids listen to whats being played today...its awful and the things it represents isnt any better, and its not getting any better...


when will it change??


brad



Chris, since we are in jail I need to say something to you. Dont drop the soap
User currently offlineCastleIsland From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3311 times:

Quoting KFLLCFII (Reply 6):
Quoting Bobster2 (Reply 5):
July 3, 1971.

Paris, France.

No doubt the loss of Morrison was a blow to the music world, but is it reasonable to conclude that so much bad music was made in 1972-1975?

I have a somewhat creepy story to tell about Morrison. A bunch of us were partying together on his birthday in 1983 or 1984. We were listening to The End, and we were all in the livingroom. Well, during the apocalyptic ending bit, we heard a crash in the girl's bedroom (it was her apt.). All of us were still in the livingroom at the time. We all (about 6 of us) got up and went into her bedroom and saw a glass mirror of Morrison that had been nailed up for three years, now fallen on the floor. She picked it up, and there was a single crack through the face of JM.

Makes you wonder, no??? I'm not bullshitting you all.


User currently offlineBR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3301 times:

Brad... I used to feel the same way you do, but you have to realize that a lot of it is just a stage act. Rap Artists create their music because the public wants it. But if you were to walk up to Snoop Dogg, he would probably be just as nice to you as the old lady buying a copy of the National Enquirer featuring a front page article about Snoop Dogg beating the shit out of a fan. The problem today is kids get the wrong message due to parents who just don't care anymore like they did back in the 50s. (Everyone wants a family like the Cleavers). The truth today is kids look at music as their own way of expressing themselves. The world today is a strange place, but my newest favorite group, MSI, has a lot of Explicit music, but I like it. It is enjoyable to me. But I also like techno, some of Sinatra, and other bands. It is all about what the consumer demands today.

Although I will confess, I cannot STAND songs like "I'm n luv with a stripper".. Those songs really drive me nucking futs.


User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 29
Reply 10, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3296 times:

Quoting Ffis34 (Thread starter):
When Did The Music Scene Go Bad?

The '80s.

Harry



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User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3293 times:

Personally I think the earlier emo bands to break the scene are actually pretty good. Brand New comes to mind as one of them, they don't have as much of the emo lyrics as some of the others do but the elements are very clearly there. I also like the more melodic sounds of trustcompany and 3rd Strike, both earlier (2002ish) bands that can be heard in alot of today's emo. Trustcompany especially started doing the darker lyrics although dark lyrics certainly didn't start with them, they just fused the more depressed lyrics with a sound that wasn't as hard and fast as other bands before.

TRAPT, Taproot, and Chevelle = Where it all went wrong.


User currently offlineCastleIsland From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3288 times:

Quoting BR715-A1-30 (Reply 9):
The truth today is kids look at music as their own way of expressing themselves.

That concept has not changed since at least the 1940s. What is different in your mind (other than the style of music and the "style" of "clothes")?

Quoting DLKAPA (Reply 11):
Personally I think the earlier emo bands to break the scene are actually pretty good. Brand New comes to mind as one of them, they don't have as much of the emo lyrics as some of the others do but the elements are very clearly there. I also like the more melodic sounds of trustcompany and 3rd Strike, both earlier (2002ish) bands that can be heard in alot of today's emo. Trustcompany especially started doing the darker lyrics although dark lyrics certainly didn't start with them, they just fused the more depressed lyrics with a sound that wasn't as hard and fast as other bands before.

TRAPT, Taproot, and Chevelle = Where it all went wrong.

Eric, I have no fucking clue what you just said. Oh well.


User currently offlineYOWza From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 4917 posts, RR: 15
Reply 13, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3275 times:

Sometimes music is just music, or sound is just sound. Not all songs need to have deep meaning and not all songs need to take you through an emotional journey. Needless to say those songs with a great message or great emotional power are the ones that stand the test of time but that should not take away from lesser songs. After all most of us have caught ourselves singing "crap" songs in the shower, but how crap are they if they are that catchy?

Just listen to whatever you like from whatever genre and era ad let life go on.

As for kids in baggy pants and what not, eventually they will have to get jobs and beleive it or not ultra-baggy jeans, throwback jerseys and inverted baseball caps are frownded upon in most places. Let these kids enojy their music and the image that comes with it, eventually they will grow out of it. This normally happens when they realize that they are not in fact living in the hood. In fact their greatest adversity will be when the Range Rover is acting up  Yeah sure

YOWza



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User currently offlineEGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12443 posts, RR: 35
Reply 14, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3269 times:

Simon and Garfunkel were emo!

User currently offlineSeanp11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 290 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3258 times:

Quoting Ffis34 (Thread starter):
this rap and emo stuff represent the wrong prospectives on everything, i mean is life really so bad you want to slit your wrists and die, is every black person alive really a pimp or come from the ghetto....now i am more then aware that bob dylan and grateful dead werent exactly the best examples of bands who send a good message to kids

If you think that people like dylan were broadcasting a bright and shiny message to the kids, then you gotta listen more closely.

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 2):

This is the problem with music. The "emo" music, no matter how excruciating, at least takes at least some talent. Rap on the other hand, doesn't.

I would say that rap takes talent too, not everybody can rap well. However, and this happens in every genre, when the musicians do not put effort into their lyrics or music, it suffers. Underground rap is good, but alot of the mainstream stuff sucks. Same with emo. Alot of the original bands were excellent, they were an offshoot of the straight edge movement. Nowadays, these kids are just alot like goths.

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 10):

The '80s.

Some good acts came out of the '80s, just not the mainstream ones.

Quoting Ffis34 (Reply 7):
i am 16 now, and these kids walk around with there flippen pants at there knees with there boxers showing and the worst part about it is they have belts on these pants but they still cant manage to keep them up, and there shirts are 70 bucks for something that looks like garbage...why look like a complete ass, because its cool to dress like that, i fail to understand how that is cool, then theres the emo punk scene, tight tight pants, cuts on the wrist(well the dedicated ones anyways) tight band tee's these emo kids think there diffrent from everyone else, they are the same as the next emo kid...

You should stop caring what these kids are doing. They want to waste their money and look stupid? Fine. Fads come and go. These kids just have little personality, so they alter their appearance and listen to only one kind of music to try to gain some semblence of personality. IMHO, anybody who defines theirself by the music they listen to, or will only listen to certain genres of music due to the groups that identify with it is a tool.


User currently offlineKFLLCFII From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3309 posts, RR: 30
Reply 16, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 3232 times:

Quoting DLKAPA (Reply 11):
TRAPT, Taproot, and Chevelle = Where it all went wrong.

Eric, you've always seemed to have good taste in music...But you're off your rocker with this one  Wink



"About the only way to look at it, just a pity you are not POTUS KFLLCFII, seems as if we would all be better off."
User currently offlineKmh1956 From Bermuda, joined Jun 2005, 3324 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 3225 times:

I blame the beginning of the end on disco.


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User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 18, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 3225 times:

Quoting Ffis34 (Thread starter):
all i want to know is when did we go wrong in the music world

I think it can all be summed up in the name...Milli Vanilli.

Quoting Ffis34 (Thread starter):
"emo" music

Ah yes, Emo music...fat chicks crying over some skinny bisexual guy who hates his life.

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 2):
The "emo" music, no matter how excruciating, at least takes at least some talent. Rap on the other hand, doesn't.

I can't believe I am defending rap music but three chords and rehashed lyrics of hating your life because daddy wasn't there isn't talent. Rap may not be much better but they sure can rhyme.

Quoting KFLLCFII (Reply 3):
Ironically, the parents of those who grew up listening to Dylan, the Dead, Hendrix, etc., who themselves grew up listening to the big bands, Glenn Miller, Sinatra, etc., said the same thing about their children's music!

Interestingly enough I have both Glenn Miller and Hendrix on my iPod and love them both. My musical tastes span many generations which really surprised my folks when I was going through the catalog with them.



"If you can't delight in the misery of others then you don't deserve to be a college football fan."
User currently offlineDaleaholic From UK - England, joined Oct 2005, 3208 posts, RR: 13
Reply 19, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 3216 times:

When these f*cking talent shows started and they made bands. There.


Religion is an illusion of childhood... Outgrown under proper education.
User currently offlineDrDeke From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 830 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 3202 times:

Quoting Seanp11 (Reply 15):
If you think that people like dylan were broadcasting a bright and shiny message to the kids, then you gotta listen more closely.

I don't think he thinks that since he said exactly the opposite...

-DrDeke



If you don't want it known, don't say it on a phone.
User currently offlineSeanp11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 290 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 3192 times:

Quoting DrDeke (Reply 20):
I don't think he thinks that since he said exactly the opposite...

whoops, missed a couple words there.


User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8766 posts, RR: 42
Reply 22, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 3191 times:

OK, another one-liner:

When bands became money-makers who play music instead of musicians who make money.



Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
User currently offlineDaleaholic From UK - England, joined Oct 2005, 3208 posts, RR: 13
Reply 23, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 3178 times:

Quoting Aloges (Reply 22):

Amen to the one liner brother!!!



Religion is an illusion of childhood... Outgrown under proper education.
User currently offlineSan747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4966 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 3165 times:

Quoting DLKAPA (Reply 11):
Trustcompany especially started doing the darker lyrics although dark lyrics certainly didn't start with them, they just fused the more depressed lyrics with a sound that wasn't as hard and fast as other bands before.

TRAPT, Taproot, and Chevelle = Where it all went wrong.

I'm 18 and I like all four bands you mention here, but I hate the "emo" culture and I really don't believe that those bands are representative of "emo" music. More representative would be Hawthorne Heights or My Chemical Romance...

Quoting YOWza (Reply 13):
As for kids in baggy pants and what not, eventually they will have to get jobs and beleive it or not ultra-baggy jeans, throwback jerseys and inverted baseball caps are frownded upon in most places. Let these kids enojy their music and the image that comes with it, eventually they will grow out of it.

That's what happened to me. I used to sag pretty bad, but now I think its sort of stupid. I actually enjoy achieving more sophistication with my wardrobe, which is more than 95% of my peers can say...



Scotty doesn't know...
25 DLKAPA : Ok they're sound is a little harder but the lyrics are closer to emo than anything and they still suck, so I just throw them in with Hawthorne Hights
26 Newark777 : True, but still nothing like the '60s and '70s. Harry
27 Bobster2 : I took a college course in 20th Century Music, from Debussy's "Prelude to the Afternoon of a Faun" to the Rolling Stones' "Brown Sugar". The class was
28 Jetjack74 : They may be able to rhyme, but there is very little abstract to it. They all talk about the same the stuff, gang-banging, drug-pushing, driving glitz
29 Post contains images DeltaGator : Everything you said and more. I completely agree though I still think they have a bit more talent than emo. This one has always bugged me with Puff D
30 Stirling : I have to chuckle a little whenever this subject comes up, and it invariably does, no matter what group of people I am with. Everyone professes that t
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