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Montenegro Votes For Its Independence Today  
User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1657 times:

As some of you (most of all Aleksandar and Joker) know, Montenegro has called for a Referendum today to decide if they will stay united with Serbia or if they will become independent. Here a short excert of an article from today:

PODGORICA, Serbia and Montenegro (Reuters) - Montenegrins began voting on Sunday in an independence referendum which could dissolve their union with Serbia and make the small Adriatic republic Europe's newest state.

Queues formed early at polling stations in downtown Podgorica, the provincial-looking capital of the mountainous state, with elderly men dressed in their Sunday best filling in the pink voting slips which ask simply: "Do you want Montenegro to be an independent state?" Answer yes or no.

There was little doubt ahead of the ballot that the pro-independence camp would emerge stronger by the time polls close at 9 p.m. (1900 GMT), but the question is whether it can muster the 55 percent majority needed for a clear win.

The union of Serbia-Montenegro, the last vestige of the former Yugoslavia, was created in 2003, but the two southern Slav cousins have been together in some form of joint state for almost a century.


Full article: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060521/wl_nm/serbiamontenegro_vote_dc_3

What is your opinion on the possible independence of Montenegro from Serbia?

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User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2238 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1648 times:

Quoting LTU932 (Thread starter):
What is your opinion on the possible independence of Montenegro from Serbia?

Serbia and Montenegro have been in a very loose federation for two years now and do not share the same currency, economic policies, police etc. The only thing in common is the President of the SCG federation - a Montenegrin, army and foreign affairs.

I for one hope that they do vote for independence as they have been a burden on our budget and tend to send all their corrupt cronies to highly paid top jobs in Belgrade. I hope that finally Serbia gets its independence from Montenegro, not the other way 'round Big grin

Let 'em go I say, srecan vam put djetici!



Kafa, čaj, šraf?
User currently offlineAleksandar From Serbia, joined Jul 2000, 3236 posts, RR: 32
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1617 times:

Quoting LTU932 (Thread starter):
most of all Aleksandar and Joker

I heard it while I was drinking a coffee today. I might even listen to official results tonight. It might be more fun than yesterday's Eurosong.

Quoting JoKeR (Reply 1):
Serbia and Montenegro have been in a very loose federation for two years now

Let's be honest. It is a sad excuse of a country which simply doesn't exist. For several years now, there is a border crossing, we have two different currencies (Dinar in Serbia and Euro in Montenegro) and in practice, there is no country whatsoever.

Quoting JoKeR (Reply 1):
Let 'em go

I can't influence other's choice. If they want to go, let them go.

Quoting LTU932 (Thread starter):
What is your opinion on the possible independence of Montenegro from Serbia?

Like I've said, it's their choice. What I don't like is the behaviour of their PM (in fact, political big boss) who used to be Milosevic's ally and, in fact, that is how he got to power in first place. I don't think he values democracy as much as he claims he does.



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User currently offlineQANTASFOREVER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1605 times:

Be interesting to see the constitutional arrangements made by Montenegro. What sort of a Presidency will it have (assuming the independents win the referendum)?

QFF


User currently offlineDerico From Argentina, joined Dec 1999, 4304 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1594 times:

Wow, I didn't know this was happening today. So apparently, if Montenegro chooses independence, Serbia and Europe will recognized it??

I have a serbian-argentine friend, I may have to call him and see what he thinks~!



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User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2238 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1590 times:

Quoting Derico (Reply 4):
if Montenegro chooses independence, Serbia and Europe will recognized it??

Yes, definitely.



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User currently offlineAleksandar From Serbia, joined Jul 2000, 3236 posts, RR: 32
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1586 times:

Quoting Derico (Reply 4):
if Montenegro chooses independence, Serbia and Europe will recognized it??

Of course we will.



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User currently offlineTripleDelta From Croatia, joined Jul 2004, 1123 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1567 times:
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So far, as of 7:30 PM UTC, news reports on various Croatian news portals report a record turnout of 75-80% (depending on the source). The first preliminary results were due to appear at around 7 PM UTC (9 PM local), but due to the understandable lag in the media, there's no new info here yet.

EDIT: just heard on RTCG (Montenegro TV station) that the preliminary results show a 56.3% for independent Montenegro (surpassing the required 55%), but that newer and more accurate results will be obtained in 30 mins to half an hour.

[Edited 2006-05-21 21:54:24]


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User currently offlineCheco77 From Peru, joined Oct 2004, 1345 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1546 times:

Follow the example of Czechoslovakia and better split up!!! Maybe you can someday even fight for independence, but better take this example and let the path of peace make its way.
Adam



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User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2238 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1543 times:

56.3% voted for independence, Aleksandre, may I congratulate you on the soverign and idependent Republic of Serbia! Big grin




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User currently offlineTripleDelta From Croatia, joined Jul 2004, 1123 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1534 times:
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Quoting JoKeR (Reply 9):
56.3% voted for independence

And with a, now official, turnout of 86.7% as of 8:30 PM local when the voting stopped. I wish a lot of luck to both countries now and hope both get off to a good start!

And now, for the long-awaited-typical-a.net-question: what will be Montenegro's new ICAO location indicator now?  biggrin   biggrin 



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User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2238 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1534 times:

Quoting TripleDelta (Reply 10):
And with a, now official, turnout of 86.7% as of 8:30 PM local when the voting stopped. I wish a lot of luck to both countries now and hope both get off to a good start!

Well thank you, I am absolutely thrilled with the outcome!

Quoting TripleDelta (Reply 10):
And now, for the long-awaited-typical-a.net-question: what will be Montenegro's new ICAO location indicator now?

I think the "CG" prefix has been marked for adoption by Montenegro.



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User currently offlineTripleDelta From Croatia, joined Jul 2004, 1123 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1524 times:
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Quoting JoKeR (Reply 11):
I think the "CG" prefix has been marked for adoption by Montenegro.

What about the airport codes? So far they have been, for example, LYPG. What will they now be? C is used by Cyprus, M by Malta, G by Greece so the people of Montenegro will have to be content with something silly like us with our D, Slovenia with its J or BiH with its Q .

[Edited 2006-05-21 22:25:49]


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User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1503 times:

Quoting JoKeR (Reply 1):
I for one hope that they do vote for independence as they have been a burden on our budget and tend to send all their corrupt cronies to highly paid top jobs in Belgrade.

Hmm. Substitute "London" for Belgrade and this sounds suspiciously like Scotland...  duck 

What will be interesting is to see how the EU reacts in terms of accession negotiations, given that Montenegro is relatively untainted by issues such as the non-arrest of Mladic and so forth.



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User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9524 posts, RR: 41
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1500 times:

Quoting Banco (Reply 13):
Hmm. Substitute "London" for Belgrade and this sounds suspiciously like Scotland...

 biggrin 


User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2238 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1497 times:

Quoting Banco (Reply 13):
given that Montenegro is relatively untainted by issues such as the non-arrest of Mladic and so forth.

Hmmm, correction here, this tiny new state gave us the displeasure of Milosevic; a Monenegrin, and also Karadzic who is presumed to be hiding in Montenegro.



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User currently offlineAleksandar From Serbia, joined Jul 2000, 3236 posts, RR: 32
Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1489 times:

Quoting JoKeR (Reply 9):
Aleksandre, may I congratulate you on the soverign and idependent Republic of Serbia!

Oh thank you. My congratulations to you as well Big grin



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User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1485 times:

Quoting JoKeR (Reply 15):
Hmmm, correction here, this tiny new state gave us the displeasure of Milosevic; a Monenegrin, and also Karadzic who is presumed to be hiding in Montenegro.

I accept that, but is it not fair to say that the EU's displeasure recently has been directed at Serbia rather more than Montenegro?



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User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2238 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1485 times:

Quoting Banco (Reply 17):
I accept that, but is it not fair to say that the EU's displeasure recently has been directed at Serbia rather more than Montenegro?

Very true.



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User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1470 times:

Quoting QANTASFOREVER (Reply 3):
Be interesting to see the constitutional arrangements made by Montenegro. What sort of a Presidency will it have (assuming the independents win the referendum)?

They are planning to join the Commonwealth, and will request the Queen to be their head of state

:-P  Silly

Good luck to Montenegro, lets hope the divorce from Serbia is amicable.


User currently offlineAleksandar From Serbia, joined Jul 2000, 3236 posts, RR: 32
Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1470 times:

Quoting Banco (Reply 13):
Substitute "London" for Belgrade and this sounds suspiciously like Scotland...

I guess you didn't know that, but the closest nation to Scots by mentality are Montenegrins.

Quoting JoKeR (Reply 15):
also Karadzic who is presumed to be hiding in Montenegro.

And everybody is so damn quiet about it.  Sad



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User currently offlineAleksandar From Serbia, joined Jul 2000, 3236 posts, RR: 32
Reply 21, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1468 times:

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 19):
lets hope the divorce from Serbia is amicable.

There's no other way but amicable now. After all, this is a wish of people of Montenegro



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User currently offlineBCNGRO From Andorra, joined Oct 2004, 584 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1465 times:

Congratulations Montenegrians! I hope you join the EU soon!  Wink

You are lucky you had the chance to vote for your independence. Many people in Catalonia envy you today. I hope independence referendums are legal in Spain some day and we can join the EU as an independent state too.



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User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 23, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1465 times:

We've all overlooked perhaps the most critical part of this, which is when this site is going to separate Serbia and Montenegro as countries to pick from the list. I mean, talk about slow....  Wink


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User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1460 times:

Quoting Banco (Reply 23):
mean, talk about slow....

Tell me about it - I believe they still list "Pangaea" as a choice.  Smile

Although that may be because Andy complained, he wanted the flag from his birthplace  Silly


25 Post contains images JoKeR : :D
26 Post contains links and images EZEIZA : So it finally happened! wow! I guess congrats are in place for montenegrins and for the Serbs that agree with a completely independant Serbia! I know
27 Post contains images Aleksandar : The last thing I heard is that everything will remian the same for the World Cup. Although results of referendum show the new situation, it will take
28 Post contains images EZEIZA : Nema Problema! (bad spelling?) In fact, I'm 100% Italian so I will take it personally if you play Italy
29 Post contains images Aleksandar : Actually, perfect spelling
30 YAK42 : OMG Serbia has a double headed eagle on a red background too! Must be a really important symbol around there.
31 TIA : Yes, comes from Byzantine times AFAIK.
32 QANTASforever : Congratulations to the world's "newest" country!! You know, there are some here that would seriously propose such a thing. Some of whom have replied a
33 Checo77 : Congratulation to BOTH new countries!!! But I have one question: How will you play in the World Cup in Germany where you team is still playing like "S
34 JGPH1A : I have a moral question. I flew on a JAT aircraft a couple of years back, and in true anorak fashion duly logged the fact in my logbook, together with
35 Post contains images Banco : The answer is clear and unambiguous: Get help.
36 Post contains images Aleksandar : And you survived? Why not. At the time you flew, the country existed. Would it change much if you flew CSA in 1974?
37 Post contains images RootsAir : TWO NEW COUNTRIES . BTW wonder if montenegro football federation will be able to join the next Eurocup qualifying round or if they will stil lcompete
38 Post contains images Aleksandar :
39 JGPH1A : Only just - everyone on board including the crew smoked like chimneys from gate to gate, so I arrived in BEG with advanced emphyzema and smelling lik
40 Aleksandar : First, I have a question. When will I be able to get this flag on my profile? I guess they will be able to do so. The latest I've heard is that this
41 RootsAir : Has a date already been fixed for the official independence ? Will Kosovo be next on the list for independence? Long time I haven't head about that
42 Post contains images Aleksandar : Welcome to Serbia, the land of free smokers . I know JAT is not very good now, but I do hope you enjoyed in Belgrade.
43 Aleksandar : I have no idea. Negotiations are going on right now.
44 JGPH1A : I did - I was there for a meeting with JAT, and they were all really nice (they smoked a lot too, and we were in a small office, so I was coughing fo
45 Post contains images Banco : I've never said it was natural....
46 ME AVN FAN : well, that at least would be something special and amusing ! something out of the usual pattern, in which an aging 80plus years old former political
47 Aleksandar : Both Serbia and Montenegro were monarchies, so there is no surprise there.
48 JoKeR : I wonder if JAT will now finally drop this hideous three letter "thing" and be renamed Serbian Airlines or something more relevant. Why is it that its
49 Post contains images Asturias : Haha you Catalans! We have to put up with you so you can put up with us Seriously, congratulations to the soon to be seperate states of Serbia and Mo
50 Post contains images JoKeR : If you don't mind me saying, we'd prefer the EU first
51 Post contains images Asturias : Haha yes understand, it I'm used to writing UE (Unión Europea) - which is of course the European Union (EU) cheers Asturias
52 Post contains images JoKeR : I knew that just pulling your leg!
53 Post contains images EZEIZA : Speaking of the EU, I have a feeling that Montenegro will have a better chance to join the Union before Serbia. I believe this because Montenegro has
54 LTU932 : Didn't actually the old Yugoslavia use the D-Mark as well? I'm talking about 1998 to 2000, around that time.
55 Post contains images EZEIZA : Wasn't the former Yugoslavia dissolved in 1992? I believe that the federal Republic of Yugoslavia, after the Balkan war, consisted basically of Serbi
56 LTU932 : I was talking about the Yugoslavia of the times between 1998 and 2000 or so. The name Yugoslavia wasn't dropped unto 2003. And yes, from 1992 on, Ser
57 Aleksandar : German Mark was widely used and accepted everywhere in Serbia in the 1990s. The worst period was during hyper-inflation of 1993 when one could do abso
58 Post contains images TIA : That has nothing to do with Montenegro. Even though a lot of people relate Montenegro's future to that of Kosovo, they are not related at all. Plus,
59 L410Turbolet : I can't speak for our Hungarian friends, but my government seems to be working really hard for the country to end up like Argentina in 2002 one day.
60 Post contains images Aleksandar : I'd rather see a new, modern airline that is not based on nepotism, arrogance and government help. Then I want my beloved 707 back
61 Pyrex : Exactly my feeling... that is why I sense Serbia always gets treated unfairly. The war was horrible on all sides but most people seem to focus on Ser
62 Post contains images JoKeR : Well put TIA, thank you; the two issues are quite different. Hehehe, true but admit it, same thought must have crossed your mind as well right? I agr
63 Post contains images EZEIZA : But don't you think that and Independant Montenegro has the potential of being economically very strong? You mentioned tourism, and I believe that is
64 BA : Well, I knew that Balkanization wasn't over yet. Anyways, I wish the best to both countries.
65 Post contains images EZEIZA : Correct me if I'm wrong, but SCG had their representatives in key international organizations equally divided by State Union law. For example, if the
66 Aleksandar : Which was never properly used and could hardly compare to Croatia simply due to the lack of quality of service and knowing both Croatian and Monteneg
67 Aleksandar : There was also a scandal with sex trafficking. I do hope and pray to see that day really soon. Interesting thing to discuss. Yes, Serbia was butchere
68 Post contains images EZEIZA : That's why I specified it has potential It will be up to them to make it of proper use! I remember being in Kotor and the pwer and water going off du
69 Aleksandar : Speaking of tourism in Montenegro, country has a huge potential. Coast is beautiful, hotels are OK, but the problem is in people and I've witnessed s
70 Post contains images EZEIZA : My point exactly. The west still sees in the name Serbia all the evils committed by others! Now with Milosevic dead I'm sure though that public opini
71 BA : Aleksandar, I have a question for you. Since the dissolution of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia in February 2003 in favor of the loose union of Ser
72 Aleksandar : Passports were the same for everyone and it was the only thing we had in common in the last few years. Well, members of the federal parliament were t
73 Aleksandar : There is also another thing that was not mentioned and it involves healthcare and high education. Although this was a loose federation, citizens of Mo
74 Post contains images JoKeR : Hahaha, djetici do not like to work that much and their hospitality standards are very bleak unfortunately. I have not stepped foot in Montenegro for
75 TIA : I don't wish ill on any country, and I would love to see an economically powerful Montenegro or Serbia or any country on Earth, but I don't THINK Mon
76 ME AVN FAN : ok, but other former monarchies deleted the crown from flags and coats-of-arms, particularily countries under communist rule would'nt Air Serbia soun
77 Aleksandar : Exactly my point and exactly what I had in mind. I didn't want to describe incident simply because it is ugly and it might sound uglier from me to sa
78 Post contains images Aleksandar : Hey, I was there back in 1991 last time and had no desire to repeat the experience. Does it mean the end of Cetinje - Dedinje route?
79 ME AVN FAN : why not. There are many countries whose economy either is based, primarily at least, on tourism, or where tourism is the money earner nr 1, like Malt
80 Post contains images BA : Interesting. Do you have any pictures of what the Serbia-Montenegro passport cover looks like? Passport covers is kinda a fascination of mine. Was th
81 Post contains images EZEIZA : IMO a country with roughly 700,000 people can base its economy on tourism alone, especially when I believe the potential is nost only for seasonal to
82 ME AVN FAN : as the Montenegrin seaports apparently will continue to be the seaports for Serbia, progress in Montenegro also most certainly will be good for the S
83 Post contains images Aleksandar : Yes Unfortunately, I don't. They are dark blue with all the signs of Federal Republic of Yugoslavia printed in gold letters. What is really good in t
84 Post contains links Slider : I find the dichotomy between this thread--focusing on a group of people who are choosing to sub-divide into their own nation--and the thread about pat
85 Arrow : I'm about half way through Paris 1919 -- a detailed look at how the major powers (Britain, France, U.S.) carved up Europe and the Middle East in the
86 Post contains images JoKeR : Serbian President Boris Tadic has recognised the results of Montenegro's vote for independence, in the first official response from Serbia. "I accept
87 TIA : Malta and Cyprus are small islands further south in the Mediterranean, with much better better climate (longer lasting Summer) than Montenegro. I am
88 Post contains images Aleksandar : Yes, it will take lots of investing in infrastructure first. Unfortunately, most of the infrastructure there and most of the sport venues were destro
89 ME AVN FAN : they are linked up with Britain but do NOT depend on Britain. In other words they are NOT supported by the U.K. and in fact both are richer than the
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