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The Comeback Of Al Gore Will He Try It Again?  
User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7089 posts, RR: 4
Posted (8 years 7 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2227 times:

Al Gore is back -totally relaxed- and with a mission:
His fight against global warming. He is producing it like an election campagne.
Will the "eco-crusader" Gore be followed by the Presidential Candidate Gore in 2008 ?
Al Gore's film An Inconvenient Truth will be released on May 26.
Link in German:
http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/0,1518,417034,00.html


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User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13193 posts, RR: 15
Reply 1, posted (8 years 7 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2215 times:

There is growing interest and encouagement by moderate progressives and some liberals for Gore to run in 2008. Wether he will do so is still in his power to make. Many believe he is a reasoned moderate they can accept. He is clearly qualified for the job. Many feel he got screwed in 2000 and believe he would have been far better off than Bush. There is a preception that he is a honorable man and that he isn't as stiff or formal in his personality. This movie, other appearances and even a recent appearance on 'Saturday Night Live' playing himself if he had won the Presidency in a parallel universe has helped his perception by many. He comes off as serious, responsible, knowlegable and well able to carry out the demands of the Presidency. He leadership on the global warming issue is something of concern and shows his grasp of an important issue now.
There are also doubts as to Sen. Clinton. While she seems to be the lead canidate by default, there are fears not only of a woman as President, but that Bill would be back in the White House and didn't do enough as his wife to keep him in line. She would also be a huge target by the Republican canidate for those issues and many other alleged scandels before Bill Clinton became President and during his Presidency. She also has mixed policy beliefs. She voted for the Iraq war, yet perceived in supporting no restrictions on Abortion. That hurts here creditabilty with many moderates and liberals in the party and hurts her chances of winning the Presidency.


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 7 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2215 times:

Gore won't run.

And if his only position thus far is on Global Warming, why waste his time. Perhaps he's testing the water.

Regardless, he's less viable a Candidate for the Dems than Hillary . . .


User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 7 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2206 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 2):
Gore won't run.

I wouldn't put money on this. I think he's ready to bitch slap the Clintons; and that would make for mass appeal.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 2):
Regardless, he's less viable a Candidate for the Dems than Hillary . . .

Not so fast. You gotta remember there are a lot of Dem's who are in the 'anyone but Hillary' camp. If I was stupid enough to still consider myself a Dem; it's a camp I'd be a VERY proud member of. Hillary is a toxic reminder of the Gingrich partisian era. I think the Country is over it. She will be the ONLY reason the Dems fail when getting the presidency in '08 should be shooting fish in a barrell.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 2):


And if his only position thus far is on Global Warming, why waste his time.

It's his opus. If there is one thing Gore has been somewhat consistent on it's the environment and his desire to protect it.Right now he happens to have a movie to sell, and if it happens to make him look smarter about what is going on in this world (political issues aside) then all the other candidates; how will that possibly hurt? I think with the oil company backlash brewing, it'd be foolish to understimate the power of an eco platform president. That is until the unions realize how many jobs they will/may loose.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 2):
Perhaps he's testing the water.

No, Really?  Wink


User currently offlineSATX From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2840 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (8 years 7 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2202 times:

ANC writing off yet another Democrat as nothing but yesterday's worthless news? No surprise there.

Gore will not run again by his own admission. Who can blame him? I wouldn't want to go through losing a race once, let alone twice, either.



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User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 7 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2199 times:

Quoting SATX (Reply 4):
I wouldn't want to go through losing a race once, let alone twice, either.

A) The 3rd time was a charm for Regan.
B) Why is Gore still fundraising?


User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 7 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2191 times:

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 5):
A) The 3rd time was a charm for Regan.
B) Why is Gore still fundraising?

The thing about Ronald Reagan is that he appealed to a core constituency with ideas that have long held sway in American politics -- small government and individual initiative.

Al Gore, on the other hand, appeals to environmentalists and just about no-one else. He could run, but he'd lose.

What the Democrats need is someone with charm and pizazz -- two words that were inadvertently excised from the lexicon of Al Gore.


User currently offlineMaury From United States of America, joined May 2005, 532 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (8 years 7 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2188 times:

It's a lot harder to support a guy who favors kinda-hard-to-grok concepts like "saving the planet" than one who staunchly leads the fight for lower taxes for the rich, and border walls: thinking hurts...and our right-wing friends don't like painful thoughts. So Al Gore quits politics and makes movies, and the GOPers park their SUVs, snuggle down in the flag to watch a little Fox News, and wad their panties over multi-lingual ATM machines.

User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 7 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2185 times:

Quoting Maury (Reply 7):
It's a lot harder to support a guy who favors kinda-hard-to-grok concepts like "saving the planet" than one who staunchly leads the fight for lower taxes for the rich, and border walls: thinking hurts...and our right-wing friends don't like painful thoughts.

Sometimes I think that if the Democrats could resurrect the ghost of JFK, he could actually win, as long as he wasn't too creepy.

In other words, the Democrats need to figure out why bashing Bush, saying that America is losing all around the world, hinting broadly at raising taxes, appealing to foreigners and special interest groups, pushing gay marriage, flying lead balloons, and the like, aren't exactly selling like underground Paris Hilton videos with Main Street America, and get with the program to give us someone we could stomach voting for.

It remains to be seen whether Hillary Clinton can steal enough ideas of the center-right to achieve the goal of restoring Bill to the White House.

[Edited 2006-05-21 17:42:01]

User currently offlineSATX From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2840 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (8 years 7 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2180 times:

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 5):

A) The 3rd time was a charm for Regan.
B) Why is Gore still fundraising?

A) You're talking about primaries, not the main event!
B) I haven't heard that he's fundrasing for a run for president. Care to explain?



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User currently offlineMaury From United States of America, joined May 2005, 532 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (8 years 7 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2177 times:

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 8):
It remains to be seen whether Hillary Clinton can steal enough ideas of the center-right to actually win.

Mmm! Rich stuff. Ditto for McCain, although his tactic seems to be to steal ideas from Jerry Falwell and his pals...you know, appeal to the GOP mainstream. McCain/Santorum in '08! No? Brownback...Warner...? At least we can be sure all of their campaign literature would be printed in English exclusively...right?  Smile


User currently offlineB777-700 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 7 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2174 times:

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 8):
In other words, the Democrats need to figure out why bashing Bush, saying that America is losing all around the world, hinting broadly at raising taxes, appealing to foreigners and special interest groups, pushing gay marriage, flying lead balloons, and the like, aren't exactly selling like underground Paris Hilton videos with Main Street America, and get with the program to give us someone we could stomach voting for.

Is it me or is the right wings platform is saying the Dems have no platform?

It must be me. Judging by the record of the present administration, they MUST be doing a bang up job.  Yeah sure


User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 29
Reply 12, posted (8 years 7 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2173 times:

Quoting B777-700 (Reply 11):
Is it me or is the right wings platform is saying the Dems have no platform?

It's you.

Harry



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User currently offlineSATX From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2840 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (8 years 7 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2168 times:

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 8):
get with the program to give us someone we could stomach voting for.

Like Clinton? Actually, didn't Clinton win primarily because Bush 41 gave the "no more taxes" speech? Then there was Bob Dole, but hell, he made Al Gore look fun and easy going.

All America really wants for a president is a folksy arrogant prick from the South and it's a done deal. After Clinton we nominated another Southerner and almost won, but I guess he just wasn't enough of a folksy jerk to seal the deal. Then we picked a relatively mild mannered Northerner and a bunch of Southerners and Mid-Westerners shot him down in no time. You have to be a real attack-minded dirty politician or else some 'swiftboat veterans for lies' group will come along to chew you up and spit you out like yesterday's sushi. The domestic news media won't bother to dig deep and will instead just present the truth and the lies as though they were both legitimate views of the same issue. Hopefully we'll remember that this time around.



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User currently offlineSATX From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2840 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (8 years 7 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2166 times:

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 12):
Quoting B777-700 (Reply 11):
Is it me or is the right wings platform is saying the Dems have no platform?

It's you.

Harry

If the GOP had a real platform (outside of sending their whipping boy from AZ to go kiss a few more boots) you'd probably have spelled it out by now. But, seeing as how they have no platform, other than begging for forgiveness, you posted nothing but ironic fluff. Good show!



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User currently offlineMaury From United States of America, joined May 2005, 532 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (8 years 7 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2166 times:

Quoting SATX (Reply 13):
All America really wants for a president is a folksy arrogant prick from the South and it's a done deal.

Oh dear...now the Jebbies will come a-swarming out of their gated communities...rebel flags discreetly tucked away for the time being...

But it *could* be fun--a nasty primary fight between McCain and Jeb, then a convention compromise on some scary far-right extremist who only looks electable from within the convention hall...oh my God, it's 1964 again! AuH2O!  Smile


User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 29
Reply 16, posted (8 years 7 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2162 times:

Quoting SATX (Reply 14):

If the GOP had a real platform (outside of sending their whipping boy from AZ to go kiss a few more boots) you'd probably have spelled it out by now. But, seeing as how they have no platform, other than begging for forgiveness, you posted nothing but ironic fluff. Good show!

So I see the Democratic platform is now, "The Republicans keep reminding us that we have no platform, therefore they must have no platform."

That's probably the worst comeback in the books.

I'm still waiting to hear what the Democratic platform is.

Harry



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User currently offlineB777-700 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 7 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2160 times:

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 16):
I'm still waiting to hear what the Democratic platform is.

No no, yours first. I insist. After all, yours is the party that 'really' has one right?

How's that working out for ya?  Wink


User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 18, posted (8 years 7 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2142 times:

Quoting SATX (Reply 13):
All America really wants for a president is a folksy arrogant prick from the South and it's a done deal. After Clinton we nominated another Southerner and almost won,

If you consider Al Gore a Southerner based on his home state of Tennessee you're wrong. Gore has lived almost his entire life in Washington and is far from being anything remotely resembling a Southerner. He couldn't even win his home state in the 2000 election.

He might run again because he's delusional enough to believe the family prophecies that he was born to be President one day. As with 2000 he'd lose again, most likely in the primaries, but he'd lose.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 2):
And if his only position thus far is on Global Warming

Well, he also claims he invented the Internet.



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User currently offlineB777-700 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 7 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2136 times:

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 18):
If you consider Al Gore a Southerner based on his home state of Tennessee you're wrong. Gore has lived almost his entire life in Washington and is far from being anything remotely resembling a Southerner.

Is that anything like the Northeast, Ivy League, aristocrat, former male cheerleader, 'cowboy' who's afraid of horses who is occupying 1600 Pennsylvania at this moment? Just checkin'...

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 18):
Well, he also claims he invented the Internet.

*sigh* Al Gore created, sponsored, and pushed for the bill that brought the system that the government and military was using to convey information to the public. We now call that the internet.

As if you right wingers aren't bad enuff believing your own lies, but to take it a step further, you don't believe the truth.


User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 29
Reply 20, posted (8 years 7 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2135 times:

Quoting B777-700 (Reply 19):

Is that anything like the Northeast, Ivy League, aristocrat, former male cheerleader, 'cowboy' who's afraid of horses who is occupying 1600 Pennsylvania at this moment? Just checkin'...

Someone sounds bitter.

Quoting B777-700 (Reply 19):
As if you right wingers aren't bad enuff believing your own lies, but to take it a step further, you don't believe the truth.

Saying he invented the internet is a travesty to all the engineers and computer scientists who actually did.

Harry



Why grab a Heine when you can grab a Busch?
User currently offlineKFLLCFII From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3309 posts, RR: 30
Reply 21, posted (8 years 7 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2132 times:

Quoting Columba (Thread starter):
Will the "eco-crusader" Gore be followed by the Presidential Candidate Gore in 2008 ?

Over the Media's dead bodies...

They've got far too much already invested in Hillary to give him the time of day.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 2):
Gore won't run.

He'll try, but see above. Hell, I wouldn't even rule out an attempt by Dean again at this point. Something tells me he still hurts deeply inside, like a figure skater who after four years of non-stop training, sprains an ankle during the last practice before the main event and can't compete. Yes, you all remember what I'm referring to  Wink

Quoting Maury (Reply 10):
At least we can be sure all of their campaign literature would be printed in English exclusively...right?

Sure, we'd gladly take the English-only community over convicted felons  Yeah sure

Oh right...At this point, you'll take what you can get  Wink

Quoting Maury (Reply 7):
and our right-wing friends don't like painful thoughts.

You're right...Why expend so much energy finding a viable candidate when our left-wing friends lose the elections for themselves anyway?  Wink



"About the only way to look at it, just a pity you are not POTUS KFLLCFII, seems as if we would all be better off."
User currently offlineB777-700 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 7 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2127 times:

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 20):
Someone sounds bitter.

That's the best you can do huh? When faced with your own hypocrisy, that's what you resort to. Typical right winger.

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 20):
Saying he invented the internet is a travesty to all the engineers and computer scientists who actually did.

It wasn't the internet then. He led the way in bringing it to the general population, which developed into the internet that's allowing me to blow you out of the water today.  

Just do a quick search to read about all this on yahoo or google, I'm sure there's some irony in that. Or just keep repeating what you've been told, ignorance is bliss.

[Edited 2006-05-21 21:02:37]

User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 23, posted (8 years 7 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2117 times:

Quoting B777-700 (Reply 19):
that anything like the Northeast, Ivy League, aristocrat, former male cheerleader, 'cowboy' who's afraid of horses who is occupying 1600 Pennsylvania at this moment? Just checkin'...

You'll get no diagreement from me here but to call Al Gore a Southerner is a joke as much as Dubya is a real cowboy.

Quoting B777-700 (Reply 19):
Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 18):
Well, he also claims he invented the Internet.

*sigh* Al Gore created, sponsored, and pushed for the bill that brought the system that the government and military was using to convey information to the public. We now call that the internet.

As if you right wingers aren't bad enuff believing your own lies, but to take it a step further, you don't believe the truth.

He says he invented the Internet in a speech and I'm calling BS on it. He may have introduced legislation to allow public access but he in no way did anything to invent it and him saying so is an outright lie and slap in the face to the engineers who did create it. Where is any truth he created it? Pony that up to me and I'll retract the statement. You can't do it so I won't retract it.



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User currently offlineSATX From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2840 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (8 years 7 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2110 times:

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 23):

You'll get no diagreement from me here but to call Al Gore a Southerner is a joke as much as Dubya is a real cowboy.

Fair enough, but down here in Texas they consider Bush one of our own. Talk like a dumbass cowboy while never admitting any mistakes and other dumbass cowboys will like you just fine. Al Gore may not be a true Southerner but he didn't seem to anger/scare Southerners nearly as much as a true Northerner like Kerry does.

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 23):
He says he invented the Internet in a speech and I'm calling BS on it.

I'm calling BS on your view that he truly believed he had invented the Internet. Nobody in their right mind would believe that Al Gore once thought he had invented the internet. Oh wait, maybe I should have used the term "correct mind".



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25 B777-700 : Fair enuff... His quote: "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet." No where does that imply
26 Post contains links and images Mrmeangenes : I did some thinking about Al Gore back in January... http://mrmeangenesnews.blogspot.com/...ore-nevermore-al-gore-who-won.html Guess I'll have to apol
27 DeltaGator : Sounds like he said "created" to me. He says he created it. There is no implied meaning there at all. Would you like to debate the definition of "is"
28 Post contains images B777-700 : If those 5 voted for him in 2000, then how many voted for Bush? 4? Ah yes, invoke Clinton. I should have known better than to engage in an intellectu
29 Mrmeangenes : B77700 : I'm such a "right-winger" I voted Clinton Gore the 1st term -but got disenchanted by the 2nd, and voted for Nader. I've never been much of a
30 Halls120 : A very good friend of mine is a die-hard democrat. He took time off from work - unpaid - to work for Kerry. He told me not too long ago that it would
31 Mrmeangenes : I'm sorry, but to call Clinton's record as a senator "brilliant" is a wee bit over the top ! She did manage to snare some federal pork for her upstate
32 Pope : HRC is a net zero gain for the democrats. What they gain on the far left they lose towards the middle. Remember, it's about electoral math. I've yet t
33 Halls120 : What I should have said is that her successful efforts to make herself a centrist - when she is nothing of the sort - are brilliant. She has made her
34 DeltaGator : He may not have scared them as much as Kerry but they still didn't vote for him, not even in his home state. He should just fade away and go dance wi
35 Mrmeangenes : You've got a good point there: she's very good at "role playing" ! Going back to Pope's comment: Guiliani might be a contender-but he has a certain am
36 SATX : Look, I have a whole year's worth of "Bushisms", with equally (if not infinitely more) absurd comments for each and every day of the calendar. If you
37 Post contains images EA CO AS : Isn't it intellectually dishonest to say that, though? IRC, Gore's legislation was to help get the network created for military means - not so people
38 Texan : Not quite willing to go that far, but I consider it highly unlikely that Gore will run again. We know what his perception is amongst the American peo
39 Post contains images Falcon84 : Maybe not. His big issues are 1. the environment, true enough, but 2. He's against the war in Iraq. With oil prices where they're, an enviornmental m
40 AerospaceFan : I meant that if JFK were resurrected, he would be creepy because he would be a ghost. And yet even given that, he could still win. Possibly. The poli
41 TedTAce : WTF?!?!?!? Is JFK not a ghost right now?? Did I miss the memo?? If he's resurrected doesn't that mean he's living breating flesh? Maybe I missed the
42 Post contains links AerospaceFan : I don't think that JFK is a resurrected ghost, unless someone has seen him flirting with the resurrected ghost of Marilyn Monroe lately. He's simply
43 Slider : And the very real threat of faithless electors, which could transpire for the first time in recency in 2008, IMO. HRC has been positioning herself as
44 Post contains images AerospaceFan : Compared with some other politicians I could name, he is.
45 Slider : Yeah, probably true... But we still need a first-rater and I don't see a single one on either side of the left or right conventional parties that fit
46 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Not is your worthless post pointing out the obvious. Gore is yesterday's news, done and done. So, Captain Obvious, anything else you like to bring up
47 Post contains images Falcon84 : You shouldn't speak of President Bush like that.
48 L-188 : OK who let Al Gore out of the lockbox? SATX, would you be kind enough to escort him back into it.
49 AirCop : Let me see; Nixon lost in 1960 and came back in eight years to win in 1968 with an unpopular war in the background. Fast forward to 2008 will the war
50 Pope : Genius - last I checked she was running for Senators this year. Trying to unseat her as senator is a bad idea precisely because as a Senator she's go
51 Falcon84 : Yes she is. But there's absolutely no doubt, if one looks at it with an objective eye-and apparently unlike you, I can throw out any personal likes a
52 Post contains images B777-700 : He was embarrassed. The first debate was a prime example. Americans saw the true W. The stammering, clueless, phony when he has to go off script. It
53 Pope : You are contradicting yourself. In one post you're saying (correctly) that the GOP can't find anyone to run against her, now you're talking about ano
54 Pope : I agree. Having to delete ones self to put distance between what one has written is pretty desparate. Ask yourself this. Is it more embarrassing to w
55 B777-700 : No no my friend, it was desperate of you to bring that up. But typical of a right winger...When you are getting crushed, make personal attacks. Kerry
56 Pope : Why is a factual recertation of something a personal attack? Did he not delete himself soon after the election just to rejoin under separate name? Ah
57 Falcon84 : I don't think it's a contradiction at all. Think about it: if the GOP could somehow beat Hillary in New York, or make it really close, that does dimi
58 Pope : No. Read what I wrote. IMO - HRC is a net zero gain. Last time I checked a net zero gain was not a "liability". In other words I don't think that she
59 Post contains images B777-700 : Why don't you ask him why, instead of jumping to the conclusion that it was because he was ashamed of his statements? Hey..."We do that just because
60 Pope : Simply because actions speak louder than words. I've never said that. Again, when you don't find something to support an argument, you just make it u
61 Post contains images B777-700 : "Actions speak louder than words." Especially when you have a slight majority of the populace that WANTS to be lied to. I never was discussing that.
62 Pope : Then I guess your post should have been deleted as being off topic. In any case, I knew exactly what you meant to say, I just ignored it because it's
63 Post contains images B777-700 : YOU were talking about polls. This TOPIC is about Al Gore. Nice try. Wait, you're allowed to jump to conclusions and I'm not?
64 Pope : Never said or implied that. You can jump to any conclusion you'd like. I'm just commenting on the fact that in your situation you're not jumping to a
65 AerospaceFan : I believe that that's quite right. In fact, when I heard John Edwards, for whom I had had some hope, interviewed on C-SPAN recently, I lost a great d
66 B777-700 : And it doen when you say Falcon changed his name because he was ashamed of his comments before the election? You're an interesting one. Nice to know
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