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User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6094 posts, RR: 31
Posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1978 times:
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Chavez has announced that his country is close to taking a decision on wether to break all diplomatic ties with Mexico.

Pretty stupid, if you tell me, considering Mexico is the #1 LatinAmerican FDI in Venezuela.

Not to forget the long ties that bind the two countries together for years, and the pact we have with them to provide cheap oil to Central America. How many more things is this guy ready to do to finish ruining his country.


MGGS
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User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 30
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1972 times:

I think he has shown already that he is an unpredictable, egocentric, and crazy "leader." Just like his friend in Iran, nothing he does will surprises me much.

Harry



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User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8666 posts, RR: 43
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1954 times:

And I still don't love him...  duck   Wink


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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17278 posts, RR: 46
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1922 times:

Quoting AR385 (Thread starter):
Chavez has announced that his country is close to taking a decision on wether to break all diplomatic ties with Mexico.

Why? If Obrador wins the upcoming election why wouldn't Chavez want to be buddy buddy with another populista led nation?



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User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7401 posts, RR: 51
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1912 times:
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Our old buddy, and favourite communist sympathiser, Oliver Stone is down in Venezuela to make a documentary about the 2002 coup attempt against his gov't.


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User currently offlineArcano From Chile, joined Mar 2004, 2406 posts, RR: 24
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1903 times:

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 1):
I think he has shown already that he is an unpredictable, egocentric, and crazy "leader

Where do I think I've seen another one like that....



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User currently offlineArcano From Chile, joined Mar 2004, 2406 posts, RR: 24
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1903 times:

... well, at least Chaves still has some people's support...

[Edited 2006-05-22 05:35:27]


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User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 30
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1895 times:

Quoting Arcano (Reply 5):

Where do I think I've seen another one like that....

Oh, I don't know, why don't you enlighten us?  Yeah sure

Harry



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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1892 times:

Quoting Arcano (Reply 6):
... well, at least Chaves still has some people's support...

And your point?


User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6094 posts, RR: 31
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1886 times:
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Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 3):
Why? If Obrador wins the upcoming election why wouldn't Chavez want to be buddy buddy with another populista led nation?

One thing is a "Populista led nation" and another, a nation led by a jackass and a crackpot with megalomaniacal tendencies.



MGGS
User currently offlineSATX From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2840 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 1878 times:

Okay, first you have moderately crazy people like Chavez and Bush. They're both willing to take a hard line against the other side and pretty much do as they please. Then, up the crazy meter, you have places like Cuba that don't even have more than one side. Above that you have places like Iran where easily excitable fundamentalists have infiltrated the government from within. Then at the very top you have... North Korea. I think they're probably the craziest nuts of all. You never really know what any of these people are capable of until they do it, but that's how they stack up in my view at the moment. We'll just have to see who's right based on what happens next.


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User currently offlineNWA742 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 1873 times:

Quoting SATX (Reply 10):
Bush.

Just couldn't get through it without mentioning Bush, could you SATX?

Typical  redflag 


Good work.



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User currently offlineSATX From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2840 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 1857 times:

Quoting NWA742 (Reply 11):
Just couldn't get through it without mentioning Bush, could you SATX?

Hey, that's honestly how I see him. He started a bogus war in Iraq for Pete's sake. He's certainly every bit as crazy as Chavez is. He's not kicking Mexico to the curb, but he is apparently willing to put a wall of guards along the border and play bizarre political games every step of the way. I honestly have no idea who Bush is even trying to impress anymore, but who cares? He's safe from any repercussions for his actions so long as the GOP controls congress and FOX NEWS is there to back the GOP.



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User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 22
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 1851 times:

Quoting NWA742 (Reply 11):
Just couldn't get through it without mentioning Bush, could you SATX?

I think it helps to put Chavez into perspective.

Where Chavez and Bush differ is their intelligence. Say what you want about the guy, it doesn't take away from the fact that he is brilliant. Reads constantly, and can talk, intelligently for hours on end....our president unfortunately cannot say a complete sentence without sounding like the village idiot.

The point of the matter is this. Venezuela has been pushed around for years by bigger and stronger nations, while internally a narrow band of elites robbed the country blind. Someone had to standup and defend the Venezuela, the people love him for that. Situations like that do not get fixed by sweet talk.
Sure, there is good portion of the population who would love nothing more than to see his dead carcass drug through the street....the same people who before used the country as their own personal playground.

I don't agree with about 50% of Chavez' policy, but, and this is a big but, he is freely elected leader....just like Bush, and Ahmadinejad.
And that is the difference. Castro and Jong II are not. If we're talking about extreme nut jobs, Chavez is not.
Disagreeing with someone does not make them crazy..

I don't know at what point the United States became the "decider" of what type of governments nations should assume.....



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29784 posts, RR: 58
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 1851 times:

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 4):
Oliver Stone is down in Venezuela to make a documentary about the 2002 coup attempt against his gov't.

Michael Moore Busy?

Quoting AR385 (Thread starter):
Chavez has announced that his country is close to taking a decision on wether to break all diplomatic ties with Mexico.

Ok I have to ask, what is Commander Clink's beef with Mexico?



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User currently offlineSATX From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2840 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1841 times:

Quoting L-188 (Reply 14):
Michael Moore Busy?

Yep. Working on a documentery about domestic healthcare last I heard.

Quoting L-188 (Reply 14):
Ok I have to ask, what is Commander Clink's beef with Mexico?

Guessing it's the way Mexico's Fox keeps trying to cuddle up to Bush? Or maybe it just looks like he's another Bush lapdog but isn't really?



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User currently offlineAndesSMF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1831 times:

Jesus, SATX, you just need to shut up about Bush!! Cant even get your head out of thinking about the guy, can you. I am not even surprised any more by your diatribes, this is after all a thread about Chavez and Mexico. If you have nothing to say about that, dont say anything at all. Lets try to keep this relevant.

I was just in Mexico, and in my selfish interest, brought about Chavez as a conversation topic with the locals. These locals are not the rich, they are your typical tourist worker. Two things I gathered from the conversations. 1) They did not like Chavez and 2) They see the election of a populist leftist as a step back. They have also used the threat of another Chavez again AMLO as a very effective tactic. No wonder Chavez is trying to retaliate.

And he has other problems:

http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/05/19/news/chavez.php


User currently offlineSATX From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2840 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1822 times:

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 16):
Jesus, SATX, you just need to shut up about Bush!

Well, that's all the convincing I'll ever need to keep on bringing him up. Too bad you couldn't bite your tongue before mouthing off like that. Bush and Chavez are two peas in a pod. Anything you say about one is likely to apply to the other.



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29784 posts, RR: 58
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1817 times:

Quoting SATX (Reply 17):
Bush and Chavez are two peas in a pod

ROTFLMAO!!!!

Thanks, I needed a laugh before I went to bed.



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User currently offlineAndesSMF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1814 times:

Quoting SATX (Reply 17):
Well, that's all the convincing I'll ever need to keep on bringing him up. Too bad you couldn't bite your tongue before mouthing off like that. Bush and Chavez are two peas in a pod. Anything you say about one is likely to apply to the other.

At least now I have others convinced on your thoughts. If you think Bush and Chavez are 'two peas in a pod' well, unfortunately there isnt good available medicine against delusion. And BTW, you still off-topic.

And what's up with the "that's all the convincing I'll ever need to keep on bringing him up", that attitude belongs to the teenage years.


User currently offlineSATX From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2840 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1814 times:

Quoting L-188 (Reply 18):

Thanks, I needed a laugh before I went to bed.

You're welcome.

Some day you may see it. One's from the left and the other is from the right, but they both act like they own the place and run around doing as they please without a care in the world.



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User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 1798 times:

Quoting AR385 (Thread starter):
Chavez has announced that his country is close to taking a decision on wether to break all diplomatic ties with Mexico.

a simple question : W H Y ?  confused   scratchchin   confused   scratchchin 


User currently offlineSATX From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2840 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 1786 times:

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 19):
that attitude belongs to the teenage years.

Then it must have been a perfect match for...

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 16):
Jesus, SATX, you just need to shut up about Bush!!

...and I didn't even need to use two exclamation points in the process.

In other words, "Pot. Kettle. Black."

Feel free to claim the high road once you've actually taken it. Until then...



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User currently offlineJoseMEX From Mexico, joined Oct 1999, 1539 posts, RR: 25
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 1777 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 3):
Why? If Obrador wins the upcoming election why wouldn't Chavez want to be buddy buddy with another populista led nation?

Maybe because Obrador's 10-point lead in the polls has all but vanished in the past few weeks and keeps sinking, while President Fox's party's candidate lead keeps growing?


User currently offlineLuisde8cd From Pitcairn Islands, joined Aug 2004, 2567 posts, RR: 31
Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 1745 times:

Quoting Stirling (Reply 13):
Venezuela has been pushed around for years by bigger and stronger nations, while internally a narrow band of elites robbed the country blind.

Like if today it was different. Corruption in Chavez's days is way worse than it was before, the difference only lies in the ideological speech. In 7 years of Chavez's regime, there hasn't been a SINGLE person jailed for corruption! A Chavez ally in the army was caught with USD 800,000 in his pocket and hand baggage in MIA a couple of weeks ago. Now we have a narrow band of revolutionary-elite who robs the country while they give a socialist speech meant to brainwash the ignorant poor population that make up the majority of the country.

Quoting Stirling (Reply 13):
Someone had to standup and defend the Venezuela, the people love him for that.

Defend it from whom? They only Venezuelan that defended Venezuela from foreign powers during the 20th century was Juan Pablo Perez Alfonzo who was one of the founding fathers of OPEC. His idea changed the balance of power in the oil business and large transnational oil companies couldn't continue to steal from us. By the way, he was a minister during an AD-party govt. AD is the party that Chavez hate.

Quoting Stirling (Reply 13):
Sure, there is good portion of the population who would love nothing more than to see his dead carcass drug through the street....the same people who before used the country as their own personal playground.

When did I use my country as my personal playground????? When did I rob my country blind? Where the FUCK is my yatch and my private plane bought with stolen money? Can you answer those questions? I don't think so. So I suggest you stop insulting me and my other fellow countrymen who dare to oppose Chavez.

Saludos desde Caracas,
Luis


25 Post contains images Marcus : It is related to the next Mexican elections but it applies to all of Latin America, it is only in Spanish....................
26 AR385 : Because Symbolism is still well alive in Mexico. In November I think, after a disagreement between Fox and Chavez in some multilateral Latam summit,
27 Luisde8cd : I'm not offended... I'm ashamed that that son of a bitch wrapped himself in my country's flag. Makes me puke. Saludos desde Caracas, Luis
28 AndesSMF : But was it the old one or the Chavez flag? And has Chavez actually ever spoken to MALO (not a spelling error)?
29 AR385 : It was the old one. I believe they have not spoken, but several members of the PRD, including Congressmen, have talked to him.
30 AndesSMF : A couple of things I gathered: I did see progress in Mexico since my trip to Cancun 2 weeks ago, and some people were afraid of a backslide. Hate the
31 AR385 : Mary Anastasia O'brady makes some good points. My fiancee works for CEMEX and they are constantly lobbying to keep their prices of cement. Mexico as i
32 ME AVN FAN : Thanks for the explanation. Unbelievable ! I would have expected something thelike in a political comedy piece, but not in reality. But as the "carto
33 AR385 : You're welcome. Yes, but when you start playing the "Brinkmanship" tactic you reduce your options. And when it does not work, you actually fall off t
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