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User currently offlineTexan From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 4275 posts, RR: 52
Posted (8 years 3 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2428 times:

Well, it looks more and more likely that come August I'll be relocating, most likely from warm Dallas, Texas to Vermont. Here's a picture of the town:


So a couple questions: what is a good way to adjust to a drastic living change (DFW has a population of about 6 million, the town in Vermont has a population of 500)? What all is there to do in the area just northwest of White River Junction/Lebanon, and is there anything to do in those two towns? What are snow tires and will I need them? How cold does it get (and remember, I'm coming from a place that had 5 days below freezing this winter)? Can any of you think of any items that I will most certainly need up there that I would never think about down here? Am I completely crazy?

Thanks for your help.

Texan


"I have always imagined that Paradise will be a kind of library."
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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20487 posts, RR: 62
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 months 2 days ago) and read 2417 times:

Texan, you are one lucky sod. That's a gorgeous part of the northeast, and a place I went through many times on my way to Rutland from Boston. I never did find out what to do there other than go to Woodstock (the town, not the concert) or Killington for the skiing, but I was there on business and didn't have loads of time to wander. Once you've seen the falls, well, you've seen the falls.

The coldest temps I've ever been in were right there though, -35F one morning! Stay warm!



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User currently offlineCastleIsland From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months 2 days ago) and read 2413 times:

Vermont is a lovely state, but with relatively little industry, it relies heavily on tourism, particularly winter sports. Basically, winter starts in November and lasts until May, and you'll have your share of below-zero (F) nights and probably some days also. It's also wonderful in the SUmmer and Autumn.

If you do not have four-wheel drive, you will certainly want to have snow tires (I don't remember, Pat, whether you have a front-wheel drive), and you'll probably want them even if you have front-wheel.

Do you have a Toyota or Nissan or something similar? You might be the only one in the state of Vermont to have one of those. Consider a more winter-durable vehicle with better clearance and 4-wheel drive. Since you'll be in South Royalston, you're only about half-way up the state, but it's far enough that you'll definitely see several feet of snow a few times a year during a normal winter.

Of course lately, NE weather has been rather funky, so you never know if you're going to get pounded or have grass showing in January...

As for things to do, well, Vermont can be a laid-back place, which is part of its charm. Towns like Middlebury and Rutland are very nice, but fairly distant from you. As far as I know, White River Junction is nothing more than a name on an exit sign; I've never seen much of anything while passing through there. I'm sure there's a little town, but not too much more. Montpelier won't be too far off, and may have some city attractions.

Good luck, Pat


User currently offlineTexan From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 4275 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 2 days ago) and read 2402 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 1):
The coldest temps I've ever been in were right there though, -35F one morning

 cold  cry  scared 

Quoting CastleIsland (Reply 2):
Do you have a Toyota or Nissan or something similar? You might be the only one in the state of Vermont to have one of those. Consider a more winter-durable vehicle with better clearance and 4-wheel drive.

Nissan Sentra. Unfortunately I do not have the resources to get a new or newer car. Snow tires are a must have then? And I'll only be living a mile or so from the school, so hopefully that road'll be clear enough  Silly

Quoting CastleIsland (Reply 2):
Towns like Middlebury and Rutland are very nice, but fairly distant from you.

As long as they are within a couple hours they'll be close enough...it takes me about 90 minutes just to get to Fort Worth  Smile

Quoting CastleIsland (Reply 2):
Good luck, Pat

Thanks, John! I'll swing down to Boston every once in a while, catch a Bruins game and give drinking a shot again  Wink

Texan



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User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 months 2 days ago) and read 2397 times:

Quoting Texan (Reply 3):
Nissan Sentra. Unfortunately I do not have the resources to get a new or newer car. Snow tires are a must have then? And I'll only be living a mile or so from the school, so hopefully that road'll be clear enough

If you have good all weather radials, you should be okay. If you are new to driving on snow, on the first snow fall, jump into your rig and find an empty parking lot (big is possible) and get familiar. Starting and stopping. Going fast then breaking etc. Learn how your car will react in the snow and ice.


User currently offlineMigfan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 months 2 days ago) and read 2397 times:

Do you like Pancakes? If you ski, check out Mt. Killington.

/M


User currently offlineCastleIsland From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 months 2 days ago) and read 2385 times:

Quoting Texan (Reply 3):
Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 1):
The coldest temps I've ever been in were right there though, -35F one morning

Truthfully, you take a leak outside in that and it'll freeze before it hits the ground.  Wink

Quoting Texan (Reply 3):
Nissan Sentra. Unfortunately I do not have the resources to get a new or newer car. Snow tires are a must have then? And I'll only be living a mile or so from the school, so hopefully that road'll be clear enough



Quoting Texan (Reply 3):
As long as they are within a couple hours they'll be close enough...it takes me about 90 minutes just to get to Fort Worth

Thing is, you may want to drive around the state during the winter, and all seasons may not be enough for some of those back roads. "ROC is correct; however, you've got to find a place to practice your snow driving. Remember, always steer into a skid: that is, if, sorry WHEN your back end fishtails right, turn right.

Quoting Texan (Reply 3):
I'll swing down to Boston every once in a while, catch a Bruins game and give drinking a shot again

God, anything but the Bruins.  yuck   Wink

You know what you might think about is getting a used cross-country skiing package. Great way to get around town during the winter, and great exercise.


User currently offlineTexan From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 4275 posts, RR: 52
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 months 2 days ago) and read 2382 times:

Quoting KROC (Reply 4):
If you have good all weather radials, you should be okay. If you are new to driving on snow, on the first snow fall, jump into your rig and find an empty parking lot (big is possible) and get familiar. Starting and stopping. Going fast then breaking etc. Learn how your car will react in the snow and ice.

I've seen pictures of snow before...  Silly

Actually, I have only ever driven on snow three times, never going more than about 20 mph. In Dallas, snow is the equivelant of the sky falling; all the roads close down because of the accidents and all the stores close down because nobody will go out on the roads!

Quoting Migfan (Reply 5):
Do you like Pancakes? If you ski, check out Mt. Killington.

Been to Killington in the summer. Will have to check it out for skiing! And breakfasts of all kinds are good.

Texan



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User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12241 posts, RR: 35
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 months 2 days ago) and read 2376 times:
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User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 30
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 2 days ago) and read 2376 times:

Quoting Texan (Reply 7):

Actually, I have only ever driven on snow three times, never going more than about 20 mph. In Dallas, snow is the equivelant of the sky falling; all the roads close down because of the accidents and all the stores close down because nobody will go out on the roads!

It is actually quite fun if you know what you are doing and stay safe. The problems come when SUV soccer mom's think that because they have four wheel drive, they can continue to drive as if the roads are normal. That's when you see them upside down at the side of the road.

Harry



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20487 posts, RR: 62
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2373 times:

Quoting CastleIsland (Reply 6):
Remember, always steer into a skid: that is, if, sorry WHEN your back end fishtails right, turn right.

The only time I put a car out of control was when I was driving a rental Cadillac coming downhill in VT, and there was a one lane bridge ahead. The school bus on the other side didn't seem to be slowing down. I hit the ABS brakes and did a nicely-performed 180 on the ice and snow. The whole time I was thinking, "How do you steer into a 180?"



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User currently offlineCastleIsland From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2373 times:

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 9):
The problems come when SUV soccer mom's think that because they have four wheel drive, they can continue to drive as if the roads are normal. That's when you see them upside down at the side of the road.

In Darwin We Trust.


User currently offlineChrisjake From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 868 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2369 times:

fall in VT is spectacular.

personally, i would trade 6 million people for 500 ANY day! i envy you.

if i remember correctly, you're a big baseball fan. there are minor league teams in Manchester NH and Burlington VT. not sure which is closer to you though.


chris



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User currently offlineYeahitsK From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2366 times:

Quoting CastleIsland (Reply 2):
Do you have a Toyota or Nissan or something similar? You might be the only one in the state of Vermont to have one of those.

My sister lives up in Burlington and I can tell you that Subarus are becoming the official vehicle of Vermont. The AWD serves its intended purpose there. Your car is front wheel drive, so you could definitely get by with that if you put snow tires on the front wheels at least. Definitely follow KROC's advice and get used to winter driving. You'll have to do a lot of it.
And yes, you will have to get used to cold weather- real cold weather. You probably would have a hard time imagining how long and cold the winter is if you come from an area that only had 5 days below freezing.
Get yourself a snowmobile, that'll be something fun to tell your friends back in Texas about. Go skiing, enjoy nature. That's what most people do up there for recreation.

Another thing I can think of is that Texas is hot and dry, where in the NE it's cool and damp. We have all kinds of seasonal pollens and molds up here and if you have any kind of allergies they may go ballistic. You might want to invest in some claritin or something, and take yourself off of it slowly rather than coming here and feeling like crap and then doing something about it. Seems like everyone has allergies around here and they can make life miserable.


User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2353 times:

Quoting Texan (Reply 7):
I've seen pictures of snow before...



Quoting Texan (Reply 7):
I've seen pictures of snow before...

Actually, I have only ever driven on snow three times, never going more than about 20 mph. In Dallas, snow is the equivelant of the sky falling; all the roads close down because of the accidents and all the stores close down because nobody will go out on the roads!

Isn't that the truth. In Dec. '95 when I was living in Dallas, it snowed. Maybe for an hour or more but if an inch fell that would have been a lot. However, the entire Metroplex area came to a grinding halt. Being a Northerner...I just shook my head and laughed.  Wink


User currently offlineLHMARK From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 7255 posts, RR: 47
Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2349 times:

Vermont has a lot of great microbreweries, too, if you're a beer guy.


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User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2344 times:

Quoting LHMARK (Reply 15):
Vermont has a lot of great microbreweries, too, if you're a beer guy.

Way to share the pertinent information Mark.


User currently offlineLHMARK From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 7255 posts, RR: 47
Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2341 times:

Was that somehow less pertinent than pointing out the existence of snow, weatherboy?


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User currently offlineVSLover From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1897 posts, RR: 22
Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2338 times:

Quoting Texan (Thread starter):

So a couple questions: what is a good way to adjust to a drastic living change (DFW has a population of about 6 million, the town in Vermont has a population of 500)? What all is there to do in the area just northwest of White River Junction/Lebanon, and is there anything to do in those two towns? What are snow tires and will I need them? How cold does it get (and remember, I'm coming from a place that had 5 days below freezing this winter)? Can any of you think of any items that I will most certainly need up there that I would never think about down here? Am I completely crazy?

Hey Texan-

Just wanted to give you my two cents. I went to school at Dartmouth which is in the area you are moving to. Yes, it will snow. A lot some years, not so much other years. But since you will be driving around, snow tires are a good idea.

The White River Junction/Lebanon/Hanover area is really fairly quiet and the college drives a lot in the area. Hanover is obviously the more picture perfect of the three, but in all honesty, there isnt a whole lot to do. They are quiet towns and very beautiful and full of the nicest people ever. One thing that may be difficult to deal with are the late fall and winter days. it is light out from like 8am to 4pm, its grey and rains/ice storms a lot. That took some adjustment for me my first year!

As for cold, yeah coming from DFW, I suppose it could be a shock. There were some mornings I'd walk to class and my eyes were so teary it looked like I was crying, but thats because it was so cold, my contacts would harden/dry up/freeze so my eyes had to produce lots of tears to keeps all systems normal!


At and because of the college, there will be a number of cutural opportunities that are open to the community. This link will provide links to surrounding towns for more info: http://www.dartmouth.edu/~crl/links/

I cant think of any specific info off hand but feel free to send me a private message with further questions. Also, I moved to Dartmouth from the DEN area, and while the very small community was a bit of a shock, the sheer beauty of the location and the friendly people made for the best four years of my life so far.

[Edited 2006-05-22 19:52:48]

User currently offlineDougloid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2329 times:

Quoting Texan (Thread starter):
So a couple questions: what is a good way to adjust to a drastic living change (DFW has a population of about 6 million, the town in Vermont has a population of 500)? What all is there to do in the area just northwest of White River Junction/Lebanon, and is there anything to do in those two towns? What are snow tires and will I need them? How cold does it get (and remember, I'm coming from a place that had 5 days below freezing this winter)? Can any of you think of any items that I will most certainly need up there that I would never think about down here? Am I completely crazy?

Thanks for your help

I spent a lot of time thumbing all over the region back in the late sixties in that very region. There was a small experimental college that existed at the time that I attended...

Do not get overly familiar with the locals. I mean, the locals who've been there for a bajillion years trying to farm half an inch of dirt on solid granite....you're not a local until several generations are planted. One of my pals has been living near Putney for about 30 years and she's still that lady from New York.

What in the world did you do to piss off the gods, Tex?


User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2327 times:

Quoting LHMARK (Reply 17):
Was that somehow less pertinent than pointing out the existence of snow, weatherboy?

Scorebaord. Plain and simple.


User currently offlineTexan From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 4275 posts, RR: 52
Reply 21, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2317 times:

Quoting KROC (Reply 14):
Isn't that the truth. In Dec. '95 when I was living in Dallas, it snowed. Maybe for an hour or more but if an inch fell that would have been a lot. However, the entire Metroplex area came to a grinding halt

Ain't that the truth! I think it was back in 1997 we had the threat of a snowstorm so they closed the schools for two days. We received an inch and a half of snow over the weekend.

Quoting LHMARK (Reply 15):
Vermont has a lot of great microbreweries, too, if you're a beer guy.

Gracias, Mark!

Quoting Dougloid (Reply 19):
What in the world did you do to piss off the gods, Tex?

Decided to become a lawyer. They apparently think there are more than enough of them as it is  Silly

Texan



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User currently offlineCs03 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 413 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2307 times:
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Just some notes from a "native" Vermonter!
DSL (and the like) is now arriving, with Dial-up being the basic way (in most small localities) to keep "connected".
Snow Tires are a MUST, although the "road crew" of each town, and the State keep the roads in good shape during the winter.
As the above posts explain, weather here is tough to predict! It is about 45 degrees out, cloudy, windy, but by this weekend, it will be in the mid 70s! The trees have leaves finally, and most of us have mowed our yards (if we have one) at least once.
I think you will find people to be very friendly and eager to help if you ask.
The one thing that I found hardest about moving from New York City back to Vermont, was it was so quiet! In place of the constant "din" of living in the city, was the sound of birds singing in the morning! Quite a change!


User currently offlineDougloid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2293 times:

Quoting Texan (Reply 21):
Decided to become a lawyer. They apparently think there are more than enough of them as it is

Texan

Now I KNOW you pissed off the gods LOL.

Hmmmmmm....that's interesting....are you moving to Bumfolio VT for a job or are you waiting to go through the mill and have to do it in Bumfolio VT?

Well, welcome to the jungle, either now or three years hence.

Ahhhhhh, that there "hence" is lawyer talk.

Famous line from Casablanca.

Claude Rains: I came here for the waters
Humphrey Bogart: But Casablanca is in the middle of a desert
Claude Rains: I was misinformed.


User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 30
Reply 24, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2293 times:

Quoting KROC (Reply 14):
Isn't that the truth. In Dec. '95 when I was living in Dallas, it snowed. Maybe for an hour or more but if an inch fell that would have been a lot. However, the entire Metroplex area came to a grinding halt. Being a Northerner...I just shook my head and laughed.

Washington DC is another notorious bad winter weather city. For a city where snow is not a rarity, they sure can't deal with it at all when they get anything more than a trace amount.

Harry



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25 MigFan : Yeah!!! Chase the rabbit!!!
26 Post contains images Texan : Perfect! At least I'll have baseball relatively close by and won't have to fight the traffic on Interstate 30! Thanks for the advice, will go to the
27 Post contains images Dougloid : P.T. Barnum was right....lambs to the slaughter....all sorts of interesting analogies. Best of luck, you're going to need it.
28 Post contains images Fokker Lover : Invest in thermal underwear, also known as Long Johns. Get used to wearing plaid. Especially the red and black Elmer Fudd hat. Also remember to be a p
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