AerLingus From China, joined Mar 2000, 2371 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (13 years 5 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1184 times:
Well, being just miles away from Berkely, I can say that "they" are in their own little world. I'm just glad that the general public isn't dragging the whole Bay Area into this, assuming that everyone in the area is a complete pacifist.
San Francisco has seen a really big proliferation of patriotism and American flags, and unlike in Berkely, the SFFD trucks can have their flags as big as they want!
SFOintern From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 770 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (13 years 5 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1180 times:
I AM A SECOND YEAR AT BERKELEY.
The notion that Berkeley is the liberal heart of America is overrated. Once again, people rely on "what they've heard", and have not experienced BEZERKELEY first hand.
The writer of this article is complete conservative-partisan. And because of the 1st amendment, he has the right to be. But free speech does not mean true speech!
Don't believe everything you hear.
I've walked across Sproul Plaza EVERY SINGLE OCTOBER AFTERNOON this month. The truth is that Anti-War protests go on almost everyday, from way back when before 09-11.
While there have been several major anti-war rallies, most notably the one two weeks after 09-11 of which I (a moderate) participated, the rhetoric wasn't nearly as extreme as this misinformed, disillusioned writer points out. True, some speakers stirred up controversial speech, such as the lady who blamed all of this on Israel-- but the crowd immediately lambasted her.
The truth of the matter is that Berkeley is actually mostly conservative. Most of the students here, myself included, came from disciplined educational, preparatory backgrounds. There really aren't too many "radical, dangerous thinkers," but just many creative people.
The "liberal left-wing extremists" constitute most of the protesters around Berkeley. They are by and large a minority of the student population. The reason why they exist is, under many student's deduction, is because many of them think "it's cool to fight for a cause, that it's cool to be anti-government." They themselves are just protesting for its own sake. And this is why liberals from all over the world flock to Berkeley. They don't come at the request of the students, that's for sure.
After all, that is what Berkeley is about: free speech. But make no mistake, there are still plenty of patriots here.
Yes, I attended the Anti-War Rally. That's because I wanted to be part of something bigger, and they did have a point inasmuch as emphasizing no-violence, but a swift and just reaction. It was more an ANTI-VIOLENCE rally. Think of this phrase by Ghandi: "an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind."
But I also was involved in the Pro-America rally. Even though I am anti-violence (on civilian deaths), I still support the country with complete confidence in whatever we choose to do in this ordealing time.
To the whoever laid the blasphemous reports about Berkeley's lack of flag-posting. It's another case of assumption. Just because the city (note:NOT SCHOOL) is one of the most liberal in the nation, does not mean it is anti-flag!!! While you won't find flags posted up on every nook and cranny like Hometown, USA, you will still see a respectable show.
Many residence hall buildings have large flags draped across the side of them. One even has written on a huge window "God Bless America". Fraternities and sororities all have their flages draped down, some at half staff. I live here. How are we complete pacifists?
And this "separationist" attitude, as if Berkeley was not representative whatsoever of the Bay Area, is not amenable. We are not in our own little world, I assure you. The citizens and students of Berkeley have ties that bind to all Bay Area cities, and cities across the state, nation, and world.
Tuesday earlier this week, Berkeley had its first Pro-America rally. (I guess you couldn't call this a protest, eh?) I was involved, in that I know the two founders/presidents personally, and they asked me to design a logo for their new group. Sadly, I was not able to furnish them with one before the protest.
The Berkeley United Students for America is a newly founded coalition between the Berkeley Republicans, and the Berkeley Democrats --both very vocal groups in light of last years controversial election.
Rather than accusing Berkeley of being liberal for its own political agenda, I say to the uninformed outside world: where else can you find harmony between Republicans and Democrats for the country?
JetService From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4798 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (13 years 5 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1157 times:
SFOintern, thanks for the inside perspective. Ironically, just days ago I went on the UC Berkeley web-site to research the extent of the anti-war movement and I found pretty much what you are saying. I did come across the stories of the groups that are coming together in support of the campaign. One representative of one of the groups did say one of the big challenges they face is showing the country that UCB is not all pacifists & ultra left-wing hippie wannabes and there are students there that do support the war efforts. I totally agree with you that being part of the anti-war rallies is just the 'in' thing. That is why I feel most protests I see are laughable and incredibly ingenuine. I see a bunch of phonies on my TV screen (especially the ones wailing).
Superfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40283 posts, RR: 74
Reply 5, posted (13 years 5 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1149 times:
There isn't anything liberal about Berkeley at all. I try to avoid going to Berkeley as much as possible. It is such a police state over there. The cops will pull you overfor anything, they'll even give you a j-walking ticket!
UC Berkely has a police force the size of a mid-size town. Why did they need 50+ squad cars? They there is the City Police, CHP, Alemeda CO. Sherriffs, BART police and then those pesky meter maids! All of this to protect a small town of about 90,000 (including the school)? It makes no sense at all!
Then you have those silly frat/soroity(sp) houses and rich kids with there BMWs. Sorry, none of this falls under liberalism at all.
San Francisco State University is the same size as UC Berkeley and only has 4 police cars. It's not an unsafe place at all.
SFOintern From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 770 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (13 years 5 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1147 times:
Superfly...what happened to you man?
I am in a fraternity house, and I have an old beat up Bavarian motorwork, but by no means am I a rich, snobby kid! (please agree, lol)
The police are rabid here because of the protesting/rioting minority, and because of the troublesome partier types. The Greek system here is very hardcore, and I'm luck to have found a 'softcore' house.
The fraternity next door to mine always has the cops "over for dessert". Hoodlums! =)
Alpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (13 years 5 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1142 times:
People are confusing the university with the current antics of the City of Berkeley. Maybe the University isn't as liberal as t he city, but the history of the University states that it certainly isn't "conservative", either, despite statements to the contrary.
And Superfly, the only place that you wouldn't consider a police state is probably some Utopian haven of Anarchy, where there are no rules or laws!