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User currently offlineAirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4511 posts, RR: 53
Posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2263 times:

Off to Frankfurt this weekend and am planning on hiring an E-Class in order to get around more easily outside of the city. At the moment planning a trip to Wuerzburg and possibly Heidelberg, depending on how much time I'll have.

I realise that the autobahn is not some magical million lane motorway with cars traveling at 300 kmh but I am still fairly excited about driving on it and have a couple of questions.

1. How should I approach the no speed limit sections? As in what should I be wary of and watch out for?

2. Driving safely at high speed - tips?

3. What are the autobahn behaviour norms - pass on the right, pull over to faster moving traffic, etc?


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User currently offlineMNeo From Bulgaria, joined Mar 2004, 776 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2253 times:

Quoting AirxLiban (Thread starter):
3. What are the autobahn behaviour norms - pass on the right, pull over to faster moving traffic, etc?

Well i belive as to any major highway it shoule be drive on the right and pass on the left.



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User currently offlineAir380 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2243 times:

Do not pass on the right and expect a lot of traffic jams, especially to Wuerzburg, sorry! But if the Autobahn is clear, oh boy! If you drive and pass on the left watch your rear view mirror, that little speck could be a car approaching with 220 km/h. It is fun! And there are speed limits on some areas!

User currently offlineMattCLE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2219 times:

My dad and sister came to visit me when I was in Germany and we drove from Luneburg-Darmstadt-Munich-Leipzig-Luneburg with no problems. My dad drove the entire time and it was his first time in Germany/Europe. We were nervous at first, but from our experience we consider it safer than most highways we've been on in the US and the drivers seemed more attentive. Have fun!

-Matt  Smile


User currently offlineFlyMIA From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7147 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2200 times:

Driving on the Autobahn a dream come true!
It must be great! I dont have any experiance at it obviously, but I do have experiance of driving over 100mph  Wink
Pay attention to everything, cars in front of you and since you are on the Autobahn cars behind you too. ONLY PASS ON THE LEFT this is VERY important and if you see a car behind comming up quick try to change lanes as quickly but safely as possible. Get used to the car at higher speeds, know what kind of manuvers you can do at high speeds. I drive a VW Touareg which is an SUV but I feel very comfortble changing lanes slowly at 100mph but not much more so I would not imagine many problems with the Eclass.
Try not to break to much, now if you need to use the breaks use them but if you keep having to break from 120mph to 80mph again and again or use you breaks alot at high speeds they are going to over heat, if they do over heat only way to cool them is to just stop and park the car. Never put water on hot breaks! Also if you drive your car hard with high engine speeds check your temp gauges once a while. Also dont be afraid to flash other people in your lane if you notice you are catching up the car infront of you and you are in the left lane give them a flash they should move.
Also before you go on the trip check your tire pressure, make sure your flashers work ect...
Here is one more good tip, if you ever find your self coming to a quick sudden stop in the middle of the roadway put your emergency flashers after you stopped even if you start to accelerate again, because it takes alot to stop car going 220km/h behind that thinks you are just driving normally.
And have fun!
Safe and Happy Driving!



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User currently offlineTLG From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 370 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2187 times:

It's been 8 years since I drove on the Autobahn, but I remember needing to watch out for trucks. They have a speed limit of 80km/h (I think) and you come up behind them awfully fast!

-TLG


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26444 posts, RR: 75
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2185 times:

Quoting AirxLiban (Thread starter):
2. Driving safely at high speed - tips?

2 hands on the wheel and relax.

Quoting AirxLiban (Thread starter):
3. What are the autobahn behaviour norms - pass on the right, pull over to faster moving traffic, etc?

DO NOT PASS ON THE RIGHT. Not only is this going to piss everyone else off, it will get you a ticket so fast your head will spin. Only pass on the left. Also, only linger in the number 1 (left most) lane if you are going over 200-220 kmh and get over as soon as you see someone flash their lights at you in your rear view mirror, because they are coming up behind and have the ROW. The flashing lights thing applies to you too. If you are coming up behind someone in the left lane, flash them and they will move over.



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User currently offlineAgill From Sweden, joined Feb 2004, 1010 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2164 times:

Nomatter how fast you think you're going there is always someone going faster. Keep a lookout in the rear view mirrir and don't block the left lane. And be carefull when exiting the autoban the offramp thingies can have quite tight turns, which tend to feel very tight if you have been going over 200kph for a while.

User currently offlineTheSunseeker From Netherlands, joined Apr 2006, 218 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2161 times:

Look far ahead,
practise the hard braking,

watch the mirror: if you think you're going fast:
there will be people going even faster!

At highspeed also be carefull with the wind!

Quoting Agill (Reply 7):
Nomatter how fast you think you're going there is always someone going faster

You will not believe how many times you get overtaken, even when hitting 240 km/h +


Ben



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User currently offlineACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7642 posts, RR: 35
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2150 times:

Driving on the Autobahn is quite different then driving on other highways in other countries.

1. Keep right except to pass! Once you´ve passed a car, move back to the right lane.
2. Do not tailgate, keep at least half of your speed behind the car infront of you. i.e.: 100km/h = 50 meters distance; 200km/h = 100 meters, and so on.
3. Concentrate and don´t get distracted.
4. Keep scanning your rearview and sidevies mirrors. Keep an eye on whats happening down the road. If there is a truck up ahead (they are only allowed to drive 100km/h), you´d be surprised at how quick you´ll catch up. So you need to know if its safe behind you to pass or if you need to slow down.
5. Don´t cut off anyone.
6. Keep an eye out for any speed limit zones. There are lots of construction zones around.
7. Plan ahead. Keep an eye out for road signs and exits. If you miss your exit you´ll have to take the next one. There are no U-turns allowed (or possible), and if you miss your exit, you can not pull over to the side and back up, big no-no.
8. If the car breaks down, use one of the orange emergancy phones located every couple of kilometers or your cellphone. Do not walk to a service station (another big no-no). Get out of the vehicle and wait behind the guardrail.
9. Be prepared for Staus (traffic jams), they can come out of nowhere and you may need to do some heavy breaking.
10. If you are driving with a foreign licence and you get pulled over by the police, you will have to pay the fine on the spot.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 6):
someone flash their lights at you in your rear view mirror, because they are coming up behind and have the ROW. The flashing lights thing applies to you too. If you are coming up behind someone in the left lane, flash them and they will move over.

Be very careful with flashing your headlights or using your left turn signal light while driving in the left lane. This can be considered as "drängeln" and is illegal.



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User currently offlineRobertNL070 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2003, 4532 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2144 times:

Quoting TheSunseeker (Reply 8):
Look far ahead,
practise the hard braking

If you look far enough ahead, and anticipate, you should not have to practise braking hard all that much.

 bouncy 



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User currently offlineACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7642 posts, RR: 35
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2138 times:

Quoting RobertNL070 (Reply 10):
If you look far enough ahead, and anticipate, you should not have to practise braking hard all that much.

Also, keep an eye out for yellow licence plates! They´re usually the ones driving slow and pulling a caravan!  Wink



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User currently offlineTheSunseeker From Netherlands, joined Apr 2006, 218 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2138 times:

Quoting RobertNL070 (Reply 10):
If you look far enough ahead, and anticipate, you should not have to practise braking hard all that much.

I always do this once or twice so my passengers know whats going
to happen IN CASE I reallllly need to... Smile Those trucks can be hard ya know



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User currently offlineLHSebi From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 1049 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2133 times:

Please don't give this guy wrong advice! Do NOT(!!!) flash people when coming up behind them! This is illegal, and can get you into trouble. Same thing applies to putting your left indicator on while in the left lane.


I guess that's what happens in the end, you start thinking about the beginning.
User currently offlineRobertNL070 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2003, 4532 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2123 times:

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 11):
Also, keep an eye out for yellow licence plates! They´re usually the ones driving slow and pulling a caravan!

Seen from the rear, for the uninitiated those yellow licence plates could be either French, British or Dutch. Please explain  Wink



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User currently offlineACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7642 posts, RR: 35
Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2123 times:

Quoting RobertNL070 (Reply 14):
Seen from the rear, for the uninitiated those yellow licence plates could be either French, British or Dutch. Please explain

The French and British don´t tow caravans ...  Wink



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User currently offlineTheSonntag From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 3570 posts, RR: 29
Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2112 times:

Quoting LHSebi (Reply 13):
Please don't give this guy wrong advice! Do NOT(!!!) flash people when coming up behind them! This is illegal, and can get you into trouble. Same thing applies to putting your left indicator on while in the left lane.

Correct. In fact it can be N�tigung, a criminal offense according to �240 of the German criminal code. Under all circumstances, it is illegal and can be fined.

Otherwise, bear in mind what the Autobahn IS NOT: IT IS N O T A RACETRACK.

The Autobahn is a road network, which does not have a general speed limit, but it is still a public road. So, you are not alone out there. You have to adjust your speed to the circumstances. This means you can drive more than 200km/h if the roads are empty, but dont do so in heavy traffic.

So, finally, the most important things to bear in mind:

1. Germany has a STRICT rule on driving on the right lane. This is a vital rule for ensuring high speeds, and MUST be listened to. So, unless you overtake or there is traffic, you must stay on the right. This is especially important on Autobahn roads with three or four lanes. It is not allowed to stay in the middle lane at low speeds when the right lane is free. Unfortunately not everybody remembers this rule, but it is vital for safety, and usually enforced strictly by the police.

2. Overtaking on the right is not allowed. This is very important, strictly enforced and heavily fined.

3. When there are speed limits, these usually (but not always) have a reason. It is better to listen to them.

4. There ARE cars drivng faster than 250 km/h, and it is legal.


Now, of course, you would like to know where you can drive fast. First, you need a largely unlimited Autobahn. Very cool, but also very old, is the A-3 from Frankfurt to Cologne. It has lots of steep hills, because it was already built before WW2. There are lots of BMWs, Mercedes and VWs on the left lane.

The A-5 is a great high speed Autobahn. Between Frankfurt and Darmstadt there are 4 lanes in each direction. When there is lots of traffic, it isn't funny, but there are times of a day when it is possible to drive as fast as you want there.

In Darmstadt, continue on the A-67... After some km, you get to a 12 km long, straight road with no limit and three lanes... GREAT for driving.


User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2111 times:

One thing that shocked me is how Germans drive in dense fog or heavy rain. Many people don't slow down. I've been in fog so thick that I could not see more than 20 or 30 meters, and people would still be flying by at 200 km/h or more.

If that happens, get off the autobahn, find a café, and have a cup of coffe while you wait for the weather to ease up. It's a lot better than getting rear-ended by someone who could not see you.

Be safe.


User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8705 posts, RR: 43
Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2106 times:

Quoting LHSebi (Reply 13):
Please don't give this guy wrong advice! Do NOT(!!!) flash people when coming up behind them! This is illegal, and can get you into trouble. Same thing applies to putting your left indicator on while in the left lane.

Exactly my sentiments. DO NOT flash your headlights, it is illegal and German police cracks down on racers ("Raser") just as much as on excessively slow drivers.

Two links for you:

http://usembassy.state.gov/germany/services/driving_in_germany.html
http://gettingaroundgermany.home.att.net/autobahn.htm

And a little more advice, adding to what's been said:

When you exit, trust no one but your speed indicator. 50 km/h is a safe speed on most exits and feels incredibly slow after a ride on the Autobahn. Upon leaving the Autobahn, check the indicator like your life depends on it - it may very well do so.

Checking your tyres is important, I've read it only once in this thread. If your cold tyres are 0,2 bar above the pressure indicated for the load you're carrying, you should be fine - unless of course 3 bars are indicated already, then there's not much of a point to 0,2 more. I might be more sensitive towards this than many others, but I do notice tyre pressure at 160 km/h.

Anticipate, anticipate and anticipate. Think that Ford Fiesta 500 metres ahead might choose to pass the truck it's been behind for a while just as you approach? Well, get ready to slow down! If you're prepared for it, you'll have the time to brake more gently.

One thing you will hate is "elephant races", i.e. one truck passing another doing just two or three km/h more. It happens often, it is a PITA and it can be downright dangerous since some truck drivers flash their blinkers once, if you're lucky, and change lanes leaving you with option a) crashing and option b) deciding in the blink of an eye how to get out of their way as quickly as possible.

Approach the maximum speed of your car slowly. DO NOT enter the Autobahn and speed up to 200 km/h immediately. That is suicidal. You need to know how your car behaves at 100, 120, 140, 160 and 180 beforehand, and you need to get a feeling for those tiny continuous steering inputs that keep you from using the more dangerous large ones. Crosswind plays an important role at high speeds, especially if you pass a truck entering and leaving its lee.

Stay safe and have fun!



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User currently offlineRobertNL070 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2003, 4532 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2094 times:

Quoting TheSunseeker (Reply 12):
IN CASE I reallllly need to...

You are quite right in a way. However, my partner, who does not drive, is quite used to me moving out into the middle or fast lane for no apparant reason. I've seen one or more trucks 500 metres or more further up, and at the same time I've seen a road sign for a motorway exit 1000 metres further. A few hundred metres after an exit, there is almost always a slip-road onto the motorway. Trucks + slip-road = possible trouble say 1400 metres further up. Even a modest 120 kph is 2000 metres a minute. This may seem a little extreme, but I hope you understand what I'm getting at. I anticipate. And, touch wood, many years driving without even a near accident - it must help. And every time I get my car serviced, the guy is amazed that my brakes are in such good shape.

 bouncy 



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User currently offlineBHXFAOTIPYYC From Portugal, joined Jun 2005, 1644 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2066 times:

Last month I picked up a car from MUC and drove to England. The autobahn was a great experience. It isn't often one can drive legally at whatever speed you like.

The reality however is that although I did have a few bursts of speed up to around 220km/h, they were the exception rather than the norm.

1. At 220 that is double the speed limit of a lot of countries, and as has been said above, you come upon other vehicles very fast, particularly if they are just pulling out into the fast lane to pass a truck or something. They're probably doing half your speed, so you need to be paying good attention - no fiddling with your radio, playing with your iPod, or picking your nose.

2. Driving at around 140-160 for me is a good enough speed particularly on a long journey. Your stress levels tend to rise the faster you go. If you have any problems such as a tyre blow out, you'll suddenly wish you weren't going so fast. Accident survival rates decrease a lot the faster you go.

3. Even in the diesel car I was driving, at 220 the fuel consumption rate is not that great. Slowing down a little can save a lot of fuel.

4. Watch for speed limits which do exist on a lot sections of the autobahns, so just because you're on one doesn't mean it's a free for all.

Enjoy.



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User currently offlineTheSunseeker From Netherlands, joined Apr 2006, 218 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2058 times:

Quoting RobertNL070 (Reply 14):
Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 11):
Also, keep an eye out for yellow licence plates! They´re usually the ones driving slow and pulling a caravan!

Being dutch myself, but also after living in Germany for 7 years, I have to agree with you. Not because the dutch are slow, but because of what Germans say about them: NL = "nur links" (="left lane only"). Horrible!

Quoting LHSebi (Reply 13):
Please don't give this guy wrong advice! Do NOT(!!!) flash people when coming up behind them! This is illegal, and can get you into trouble. Same thing applies to putting your left indicator on while in the left lane.

Not because it is illegal, but because it is very dangerous! At night especially.
I always try to explain to my dad why the left indicator is a better way, but he somehow doesnt want to get it...  banghead 

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 17):
One thing that shocked me is how Germans drive in dense fog or heavy rain. Many people don't slow down.

Agree, plus at the same time you can see some being on the phone.

Quoting Aloges (Reply 18):
Crosswind plays an important role at high speeds, especially if you pass a truck entering and leaving its lee.

I knew whats going on when you pass a truck at high speed, but the first time it happened to me it scared me a bit. The way you feel it at the wheel surprised me.



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User currently offlineTheSunseeker From Netherlands, joined Apr 2006, 218 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2050 times:

I'm starting to like this forum. Big grin

Quoting RobertNL070 (Reply 19):
And every time I get my car serviced, the guy is amazed that my brakes are in such good shape.

The cars I drive are driven by owners at over 50.000km+ a year.
When I have to break hard, I dont feel guilty for the brakes  bigthumbsup 
I am using cars very gentle compared to their owners.

Quoting BHXFAOTIPYYC (Reply 20):
Accident survival rates decrease a lot the faster you go.

Compared to all accidents on the Autobahn, the high speed takes a very little percentage!! But none the less, it sure is dangerous.

Quoting BHXFAOTIPYYC (Reply 20):
4. Watch for speed limits which do exist on a lot sections of the autobahns, so just because you're on one doesn't mean it's a free for all.

They introduced / are testing a new system on some parts. The speed limit boards are digital. The speed is depending on the traffic, weather etc. They are also trying out the speed of 140km/h which I first saw in the Hanover area. I think its a great idea because when you travel at high speed, after a while you get used to it. I believe it is important to slow down for a while, so your eyes notice the difference again.



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User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12242 posts, RR: 35
Reply 23, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2034 times:
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Quoting Aloges (Reply 18):
When you exit, trust no one but your speed indicator. 50 km/h is a safe speed on most exits and feels incredibly slow after a ride on the Autobahn. Upon leaving the Autobahn, check the indicator like your life depends on it - it may very well do so.

I can attest to that. After cruising the Autobahn around 160kmh for a couple of hours, we needed to refuel. That gas pump came at us damn fast. I've heard it referred to as "speed blind", you just don't know how fast you are going. Looking out the side window tends to give you a better idea of your speed.



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User currently offlinePelican From Germany, joined Apr 2004, 2531 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 2026 times:

This thread is hilarious.

Quoting AirxLiban (Thread starter):
pass on the right, pull over to faster moving traffic

Huh, I'm relieved you won't drive where I live...

Quoting FlyMIA (Reply 4):
Try not to break to much, now if you need to use the breaks use them but if you keep having to break from 120mph to 80mph again and again or use you breaks alot at high speeds they are going to over heat, if they do over heat only way to cool them is to just stop and park the car. Never put water on hot breaks!

Now I'm scared and wonder what you have to do to overstress your breaks if nothing unusual happens...

Quoting FlyMIA (Reply 4):
Also dont be afraid to flash other people in your lane if you notice you are catching up the car infront of you and you are in the left lane give them a flash they should move.



Quoting N1120A (Reply 6):
If you are coming up behind someone in the left lane, flash them and they will move over.

With a little bit of luck they are going to demand you to pull over!

Quoting TheSunseeker (Reply 8):
practise the hard braking,

NO! Don't do it if there is no emergency. And please don't practise hard braking on the Autobahn. Try to use your brakes as sparse as possible.


I start to wonder whether we should ban foreign drivers from using Autobahns.

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 9):

1. Keep right except to pass! Once you�ve passed a car, move back to the right lane.

If there would be more drivers like you!

Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 16):
In Darmstadt, continue on the A-67... After some km, you get to a 12 km long, straight road with no limit and three lanes... GREAT for driving.

I feel for you, if the longest stretches without speed limit in your area are only 12km long.

Quoting Aloges (Reply 18):
Approach the maximum speed of your car slowly. DO NOT enter the Autobahn and speed up to 200 km/h immediately.

That's the funniest part

Quoting Aloges (Reply 18):
One thing you will hate is "elephant races", i.e. one truck passing another doing just two or three km/h more. It happens often, it is a PITA and it can be downright dangerous since some truck drivers flash their blinkers once, if you're lucky, and change lanes leaving you with option a) crashing and option b) deciding in the blink of an eye how to get out of their way as quickly as possible.

I can only agree. BEWARE of trucks!

pelican

[Edited 2006-05-25 15:38:01]

25 Post contains images TheSunseeker : Of course only if there is space around you, I'm trying to say you need to know how to handle the brakes. If you ask a person to press the brake as h
26 Incitatus : Most cars will be doing 150-160 kph with the occasional +250 kph. Unless you get a high end E, it will be difficult to maintain speeds above 220 kph b
27 Post contains images ACDC8 : Scary thing is that I have a Canadian Licence, where the rule is, get out on the highway, set your cruise control to whatever the posted speed limit
28 TheSunseeker : Why should you forget driving fast if he's renting a diesel E? Try the E320cdi, it is bloody fast. The E200kompressor can go 240km/h as well, no prob
29 Incitatus : Well, bloody fast means different things to different people... Most rental companies will offer the lowest power engine or the next one up from the
30 AirxLiban : Thank you, gentlemen, for all the responses. This makes me feel better about driving on the autobahn and I will certainly heed your advise. The car I
31 Pelican : Well, there is also the E400, although I doubt you can get rent one. Most probably you'll get a E200 Kompressor. This is the standard E class for man
32 TheSunseeker : Of course its not like a Porsche or Ferrari, but its perfect for the Autobahn. Not true.
33 Incitatus : Sunseeker Unfortunately after owning an M3 for 8 years my standards are higher.
34 TheSonntag : Well, NRW is a nightmare at some places... Around Bonn, the situation is bad: The A59: Limited all the way. A555: Once the greatest Autobahn of Germa
35 Sabena332 : Try the A31, it is mostly empty, especially on Saturday nights, driving as fast as 250 kph is absolutely no problem there. Patrick Edit, I mean the A
36 Post contains images Aloges : Sounds just like the A20 which bores you to death if you have to stay at 80-ish because you're pulling a trailer.
37 Post contains images TheSunseeker : I dont think an E200K is the bomb, but it sure is fast on the Autobahn. And I dont want to be an asshole , but how can you own an M3 for 8 years when
38 Post contains links AirxLiban : Thanks for all the advice. I ended up in a BMW 320i touring with a manual transmission and fortunately made it back to the UK without killing myself.
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