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User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8955 posts, RR: 59
Posted (8 years 4 months 17 hours ago) and read 2305 times:
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Has anyone here had much experience with the DSG? I was out looking at the new GTI the other day, and it seems like an interesting option, but I'd be a bit concerned about long-term reliability. I understand there are two clutches inside, and wonder what a common replacement interval and cost would be.

Then again, I keep hearing that clutches on standard manual GTIs only seem to last ~40,000 miles, so I suppose it wouldn't take much to improve upon that...

Anyone with DSG thoughts and/or experience?




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User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7780 posts, RR: 16
Reply 1, posted (8 years 4 months 17 hours ago) and read 2299 times:

Well if it makes you feel any better the DSG was not designed by VWAG or built by them, but rather by BorgWarner which is know for a quality durable product.


Know clue how durable they are, or what their longevity is. They've only been in use since 2003 or so, the Audi TT 3.2 was the first major application IIRC. Transmissions in general aren't cheap to fix. Most modern electronically controlled 4-speed autos will be around $2k to replace if they go bad. As things go in a car, they are pretty complex items. But it isn't exactly like you have to replace a transmission every 50k miles. That would be unacceptable in a mass production car. As with most things as long as you don't abuse them, and follow the proper servicing schedule you should be fine.



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User currently offlineGo3Team From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3267 posts, RR: 16
Reply 2, posted (8 years 4 months 17 hours ago) and read 2299 times:

I don't know anything about the DSG or whatever that is, but I imagine they mean 2 clutch disks. That is going to give you more grab. Depending on abuse, or lack thereof, it should last longer as slippage is covered with 2 not just the one. It is also good in high power applications. Getting 40,000 out of a clutch would assume a lot of abuse going on. But some cars are ment to be driven that way Big grin.


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User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8707 posts, RR: 42
Reply 3, posted (8 years 4 months 17 hours ago) and read 2298 times:

Quoting 2H4 (Thread starter):
I keep hearing that clutches on standard manual GTIs only seem to last ~40,000 miles,

What do people do with their cars?!?  Wow!



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User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7780 posts, RR: 16
Reply 4, posted (8 years 4 months 17 hours ago) and read 2293 times:

Quoting Aloges (Reply 3):
What do people do with their cars?!?

I'd suspect this is largely related to abuse, rather than design. Go check out the forums @ vwvortex.com. Should be more than enough info on the DSG there.



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User currently offlineManuCH From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 3011 posts, RR: 46
Reply 5, posted (8 years 4 months 16 hours ago) and read 2281 times:
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I currently own a VW Golf GTI with DSG transmission and it is absolutely fabulous to drive. There's absolutely no power loss when changing gears, either "manually" (by clicking the buttons on the steering wheels) or in automatic mode. The 0-100 km/h acceleration with DSG is better than the manual equivalent.

Before this one I had the Audi A3 3.2 with DSG, and it was just as brilliant. No trouble whatsoever. But I can't comment on long-life durability because I sold the car after 30,000 km (not because I didn't like it  Smile)

I have read comments on Volkswagen forums about people getting 150,000 km on a DSG transmission with no problems, so I guess it must be reliable. The price of a new transmission, should it break for some reason, is about $3,500.

Don't think twice - go for DSG all the way!

-Manuel



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User currently offlineKay From France, joined Mar 2002, 1884 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (8 years 4 months 16 hours ago) and read 2276 times:

As far as I read, the DSG is reliable.

Kay


User currently offlineAA777 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 2544 posts, RR: 28
Reply 7, posted (8 years 4 months 16 hours ago) and read 2273 times:
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I've heard nothing but positive (very positive) things about the DSG transmission. It all comes down to whether or not you want a transmission that is more or less automatic. I've never driven DSG, but I drive two cars that have SMG, and my own car has a manual transmission. They both have pros and cons. I really dont think you'll be making a mistake either way.

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User currently offlineBHXFAOTIPYYC From Portugal, joined Jun 2005, 1644 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 4 months 14 hours ago) and read 2255 times:

I was driving a diesel Skoda Octavia 2.0L today with DSG. It runs very well except at very low speeds - up to say 5mph. It doesn't seem to like going that slow, and it seems to need a bit more foot pressure. It's OK once you get used to it, but you need to be aware of it in very slow moving traffic. My Audi diesel auto is exactly the same, so I think it's a combo of the diesel and auto together.


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User currently offlineDYflyer From Norway, joined May 2006, 676 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (8 years 4 months 13 hours ago) and read 2249 times:

I work at a VW/Audi dealer, and we have not had a single DSG transmission with problems yet. I wouldn't worry about buying a car with DSG.


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User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8955 posts, RR: 59
Reply 10, posted (8 years 4 months 13 hours ago) and read 2244 times:
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Thanks for the input, everyone.

DYflyer, is the DSG intended to be a more or less maintenance-free transmission, like typical automatics, or will it require eventual replacement of the internal clutch(es) at some point, like typical manuals?

Welcome to the forums, by the way.  Smile




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User currently offlineCPDC10-30 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 4785 posts, RR: 23
Reply 11, posted (8 years 4 months 12 hours ago) and read 2231 times:

ignore - turns out the model I tested wasn't DSG

[Edited 2006-05-25 22:02:20]

User currently offlineDYflyer From Norway, joined May 2006, 676 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2189 times:

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 10):
DYflyer, is the DSG intended to be a more or less maintenance-free transmission, like typical automatics, or will it require eventual replacement of the internal clutch(es) at some point, like typical manuals?

Welcome to the forums, by the way.

Thanks!

Consider it like a normal automatic. The clutches are not exactly like the ones in manuals, and in the DSG they will not be abused by the drivers either  Wink



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User currently offlineTheredbaron From Mexico, joined Mar 2005, 2216 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2165 times:

The DSG transmission is the best thing Audi and VW has, simply lightning fast and smooth, get th eones with the controls on the steering wheel....


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User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8955 posts, RR: 59
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2154 times:
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So, for those of you who have driven it......in your opinion, is the DSG as satisfying and as fun to drive as a traditional manual?




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User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 977 posts, RR: 51
Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2144 times:

Quoting Aloges (Reply 3):
What do people do with their cars?!?

The GTI is the sport trim in North America. The typical demographic will work the clutch a bit more aggresivly on the way to work versus someone aiming for fuel economy.  Wink


User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8451 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2139 times:

Quoting ManuCH (Reply 5):
There's absolutely no power loss when changing gears, either "manually" (by clicking the buttons on the steering wheels) or in automatic mode. The 0-100 km/h acceleration with DSG is better than the manual equivalent

They shift faster because the next gear is already "in the box" so to speak. Thats what the double clutch is for.


User currently offlineManuCH From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 3011 posts, RR: 46
Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2130 times:
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Quoting 2H4 (Reply 14):
So, for those of you who have driven it......in your opinion, is the DSG as satisfying and as fun to drive as a traditional manual?

Definitely yes, if not even more fun. I have converted "I will only drive a manual ever"-people to DSG, which is quite an accomplishment  Smile

-Manuel



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User currently offlineDYflyer From Norway, joined May 2006, 676 posts, RR: 14
Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2107 times:

Personally i think i would buy an manual. This has nothing to do with mechanics, reliability, performance or money, but i guess i'm just hard to convert.  Smile You should just go with your gut-feeling. I don't think you can go wrong with either of them.


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