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User currently offlineYAK42 From Ireland, joined Oct 2000, 801 posts, RR: 6
Posted (8 years 2 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3666 times:

Berlin Hauptbahnhof is completed now and takes it's place as Europe's largest railway station:

As Germany prepares for the football World Cup, the wraps come off a new landmark - Berlin's central railway station.
The five-storey steel and glass structure has taken more than eight years and millions of euros to complete.
Featuring vast glass panels it is Europe's largest station and will handle more than 1,100 trains a day.
The station has 54 escalators and 34 lifts - some offering views over the city, looking out at the Bundestag.
It is located next to the River Spree, a few metres west of the no-man's-land where the Berlin Wall once stood.
Deutsche Bahn chief executive Hartmut Mehdorn has described it as "the most beautiful station in the world".
Chancellor Angela Merkel is to arrive on the first high-speed train to pull in at the station - the express from Leipzig on Friday.
A sound and light show will crown a weekend of celebrations to mark the opening.

from http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_pictures/5017026.stm

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User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 52
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3659 times:

Cool!! Fabulous asset for Berlin... and once BBI is completed, Berlin will be well positioned to become a major transportation hub.

I can't remember... does this replace another station? Is it built on the same site?



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User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8693 posts, RR: 43
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3640 times:

Quoting TWFirst (Reply 1):
Berlin will be well positioned to become a major transportation hub.

Well, that leaves room for debate since FRA already is the hub for Germany and MUC has successfully grown into a hub.

Quoting TWFirst (Reply 1):
I can't remember... does this replace another station?

You could say so, Berlin Zoo (West Berlin) has been the main station for decades but never really lived up to its role AFAIK. East Berlin had the aptly named Eastern Station which will continue to be served by long distance trains; I think the facilities for light maintenance are near that station so the trains travel there anyway.

Quoting TWFirst (Reply 1):
Is it built on the same site?

No, it's just north of the Spree river and near the main government buildings. You could say its problem is being right in the centre of the city, which in that part of Berlin is still closer to "middle of nowhere" than the location of Zoo Station.



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User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6785 posts, RR: 34
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3629 times:

Wow! Beautiful!

Really brings the contrast into play, as the States has such little rail travel.

Quite a facility!


User currently offlineNoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7943 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3622 times:

Quoting Aloges (Reply 2):
No, it's just north of the Spree river and near the main government buildings. You could say its problem is being right in the centre of the city, which in that part of Berlin is still closer to "middle of nowhere" than the location of Zoo Station.

In fact, Berlin HBF is build on exactly the same site of the former Lehrter Stadtbahnhof, which, however and in contrast to Zoo Station, wasn't served by ICEs and the like, but only by S-Bahn commuter trains.



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User currently offlineNoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7943 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3609 times:

BTW: As a cost saving measure, Mehdorn shortened the glass roof by some 130 meters, simplified the glass panels and, in the lower floor, replaced the proposed curved ceiling with a straight one. The architect is now threatening not to attend the opening ceremony. Well well ....


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User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8693 posts, RR: 43
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3600 times:

Quoting NoUFO (Reply 4):
In fact, Berlin HBF is build on exactly the same site of the former Lehrter Stadtbahnhof,

Ah yes, now that you say it...  Smile

Quoting NoUFO (Reply 5):
The architect is now threatening not to attend the opening ceremony.

Heard that before as well, wasn't the shortening of the glass roof supposed to speed up the construction works (together with making them cheaper) so the station would be open before the World Cup? I'll have to see how I like the planar ceiling next time I'm in Berlin... that'll be a while though.



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User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8443 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3595 times:
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Quoting NoUFO (Reply 5):
BTW: As a cost saving measure, Mehdorn shortened the glass roof by some 130 meters, simplified the glass panels and, in the lower floor, replaced the proposed curved ceiling with a straight one. The architect is now threatening not to attend the opening ceremony. Well well ....

I saw a program on Megastructures on National Geographic a couple of weeks ago about this project and the architect was well pissed about this!



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21406 posts, RR: 54
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3595 times:

Quoting TWFirst (Reply 1):
can't remember... does this replace another station? Is it built on the same site?

Actually it is built on the site of the former Lehrter Bahnhof which had been damaged in the war and was never really rebuilt afterwards.

Berlin Hauptbahnhof – Lehrter Bahnhof - Wikipedia


User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 52
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3546 times:

Quoting Aloges (Reply 2):
Well, that leaves room for debate since FRA already is the hub for Germany and MUC has successfully grown into a hub.

I was referring to Berlin's collective new and/or improved infrastructure (air/rail/road), and said it was poised to become A (ein) major transportation hub.... not THE major German transportation hub. However, Berlin is more centrally located in Europe... I think it has geographic advantages over FRA as well.

Quoting NoUFO (Reply 4):
In fact, Berlin HBF is build on exactly the same site of the former Lehrter Stadtbahnhof, which, however and in contrast to Zoo Station, wasn't served by ICEs and the like, but only by S-Bahn commuter trains.

So, besides the beautiful new building, I assume there was a lot of work to lay and reroute tracks through Berlin to the new station? Was this very disruptive to neighborhoods? This new station will serve pan-European trains, and Zoo primarily intra-German trains.. yes?



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User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3522 times:

And it only cost around �1 billion to build, halleluja  Yeah sure . And before you ask, no, I'm not sure if that's the final cost, since the Bahn stopped announcing the actual costs when they hit the �700 million mark.

User currently offlineNoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7943 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3482 times:

Quoting TWFirst (Reply 9):
So, besides the beautiful new building, I assume there was a lot of work to lay and reroute tracks through Berlin to the new station?

Not only that, they even had to redirect river Spree, and as a result, the construction manager got a heart infarct (no kidding).
I think the same manager was responsible for moving the "Kaisersaal" when the Sony Center at Potsdam Square was build. Back then, they moved a former hotel's ball room, which is a century old and weights 1,300 tons, 70 meters away with the help of hydraulic jacks and a giant air cushion. That really was spectacular.

As for being disruptive to the neighbourhood: I don't think it was. The station is located between the govenmental quarter and a residential district in the middle of the former no-man's-land. It looked pretty much wasted there. The second picture from above still remirrors that quite well.
The main tracks you see on the same picture, running from the top right to the lower right corner is the so called "Stadtbahn" which existed before, although they may have added some tracks. The subterranean tracks are all new, though. At the same time, Berliners are well used to construction sides .... they really are.

Quoting TWFirst (Reply 9):
This new station will serve pan-European trains, and Zoo primarily intra-German trains.. yes?

As far as I know, Zoo Station will be closed for all trains other than commmuter trains.



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User currently offlineBraybuddy From Ireland, joined Aug 2004, 5633 posts, RR: 32
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3460 times:

That's one thing you have to admire the Germans for, doing things properly and on time.

Any chance of doing a swap between Bertie Ahern and Angela Merkel?


User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8693 posts, RR: 43
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3447 times:

Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 12):
That's one thing you have to admire the Germans for, doing things properly and on time.

Any chance of doing a swap between Bertie Ahern and Angela Merkel?

I don't think it would have the desired effect...  Wink

Quote:
During its construction, the course of the Spree had to be diverted (1996-1998). Water leaks in the tunnels caused over one year's delay to the construction work.

from Wikipedia



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User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8439 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3431 times:

Is the Architect still trying to sue Deustche Bahn for changing design features to stop the project running over time? I know the glass tunnel was shortened to save time and that false ceilings were installed in some of the underground tunnels

User currently offline9V-SPJ From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 749 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3422 times:

I remember seeing Berlin Hbf under construction last year when I was in Berlin, looked really amazing! Just wish I was there this year to experience the station. Its in a nice location as well, near the Reichstag I believe.

9V-SPJ


User currently offlineNoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7943 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3415 times:

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 14):
Is the Architect still trying to sue Deustche Bahn for changing design features to stop the project running over time?

Yes, he is.

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 14):
I know the glass tunnel was shortened to save time

The architect claims it had the opposite effect: Redesigning the glass ceiling added 40 million Euro more to the bill and it took longer to build. I have to say, the architect has an argument here. I have seen the new main station (no surprise, I'm living in Berlin), and the "sausage" really looks a bit stubby. Even worse, the lower floor now looks like a big subway station. The original design looked much more friendly and inviting.

Pictures of the original proposal can be seen here:
http://www.gmp-architekten.de

To make this a little more aviation related: The same agency provided the winning proposals for TXL in 1965, HAM Terminal 1 & 2 and STR, Terminal 3.



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User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8439 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3409 times:

Quoting NoUFO (Reply 16):
The architect claims it had the opposite effect: Redesigning the glass ceiling added 40 million Euro more to the bill and it took longer to build. I have to say, the architect has an argument here. I have seen the new main station (no surprise, I'm living in Berlin), and the "sausage" really looks a bit stubby. Even worse, the lower floor now looks like a big subway station. The original design looked much more friendly and inviting.

Hasn't the rest of the sausage, as you call it, been fabricated and was delivered to site? I saw something about it on National Geographic channel and the architect wants the original design to be fulfilled. So at somepoint he wants the sausage to be lengthened to the designed specs.


User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3364 times:

It's nice to know that interest in building magnificent public buildings survives in Europe and other parts of the world.

Here in the U.S., I can't remember the last time I was truly wowed by a public building. There are grand buildings, yes, but hardly ever "the largest" public anything anymore.

I think that airports here in the U.S. would be the closest thing, but with all the NIMBYism ("Not In My Back Yard") and environmental red tape, we should count ourselves lucky when they build so much as an outhouse. Here in L.A., the deliberate institutional inertia against expanding LAX is truly astounding.


User currently offlineNoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7943 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3351 times:

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 17):
Hasn't the rest of the sausage, as you call it, been fabricated and was delivered to site?

No idea.

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 17):
So at somepoint he wants the sausage to be lengthened to the designed specs.

Yes, see above. He's trying to sue Deutsche Bahn for a copyright infringement.

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 18):
I can't remember the last time I was truly wowed by a public building. There are grand buildings, yes, but hardly ever "the largest" public anything anymore.

You Americans - fortunately - don't have to rebuild a country or a state, and "the largest" is not necessarely a criterion. Beauty and innovation are, but not size.

Here's a video of the rehearsal for today's opening gala: http://www.spiegel.de



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User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 52
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3320 times:

Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 12):
That's one thing you have to admire the Germans for, doing things properly and on time.

Agreed.

Also, Germans can be HOT, such as 3 Germans I was admiring at the Eagle last night (one from Berlin, one from Frankfurt, one from Munich). Damn!  Wink



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User currently offlineBraybuddy From Ireland, joined Aug 2004, 5633 posts, RR: 32
Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3315 times:

Quoting TWFirst (Reply 20):
at the Eagle last night (one from Berlin, one from Frankfurt, one from Munich). Damn!

The Eagle in Vatican City? Looks like they've put that crypt of dead popes to good use. . .


User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 52
Reply 22, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3292 times:

Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 21):
The Eagle in Vatican City? Looks like they've put that crypt of dead popes to good use. . .

Yeah... it's a little hard to use the sling though with all those tombs in the way...



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User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7057 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (8 years 2 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3235 times:

I have read in "Der Tagesspiegel" which is a daily newspaper here in Berlin that the parts for the missing glass tunnel are stored in the basement of the train station and will likely be added in the next few years.


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User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 2 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3218 times:



Ugly  Sad


25 Post contains links Columba : At the big ceremony last year happened a somewhat tragic incident. A drunken 16 years was attacking 28 people with a knife, 6 of those being attacked
26 NoUFO : Last year? That was yesterday! I was there and heard an ambulance but of course wasn't thinking of some nuthead stabbing people.
27 AirbusA346 : Cool.....Looks very modern and clean. Tom.
28 Post contains images Sabena332 : " target=_blank>http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/0,151....html Fantastic, this is exactly what we need two weeks before the World Cup begins. Patrick
29 Lindy Field : I just passed through the Hauptbahnhof. It's incredibly busy, full of gawkers like me but the facility itself is spectacular. It's much, much bigger t
30 PSA727 : I was there Friday night, and I didn't hear anything about a stabbing. However, there were hundreds of thousands of people there, so maybe. If anythin
31 Post contains links Max999 : I'm very jealous of all you who were able to make it to the opening. I wish I could have been there. To make up for it, I found a picture gallery of t
32 Columba : I was standing in a traffic jam close to it and I could see some of the light show and fire works. Actually I wanted to go someplace else hence the c
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