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High Gas Prices? Don't Just Complain, Act!  
User currently offlineSATX From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2840 posts, RR: 7
Posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2093 times:

Take Action Now to Reduce Our Nation’s Oil Consumption!

High Gas PricesConsumers are paying record high prices for gas and major oil companies are announcing their biggest profits in corporate history - $100 billion over the last five years. Congress should act now on energy policy that addresses the oil industry’s anticompetitive practices and reduces our nation’s oil consumption.

Write your Representative today and tell him/her to support legislation by Representatives Markey and Boehlert to increase fuel economy standards for automobiles and light trucks to 33 miles per gallon. Raising mileage requirements on cars is an obvious first step in reducing our nation’s oil consumption.

Tell them you have had enough and want leadership on energy policy TODAY!!

To learn more about oil industry deception, read a recent report by Consumer Federation of America and Consumers Union titled, “Debunking Oil Company Myths and Deception: The $100 Billion Consumer Rip-Off.”


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User currently offlineBaylorAirBear From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 2913 posts, RR: 50
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2081 times:

Gas prices... yawn 

BAB



I'm just skipping stones...
User currently offlineNWA742 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2077 times:

Hmmm......just for you SATX, I'll be thinking about getting one of these some day.




 rotfl 




-NWA742


User currently offlineCosec59 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2071 times:

If you Americans think your fuel prices are high, perhaps you should buy some here!!.
99.9p per litre


User currently offlineBaylorAirBear From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 2913 posts, RR: 50
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2065 times:

Quoting Cosec59 (Reply 3):
99.9p per litre

Please translate. My international conversion chip has been disabled.

Thank you,

BAB



I'm just skipping stones...
User currently offlineCosec59 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2060 times:

Quoting BaylorAirBear (Reply 4):
99.9p per litre

Please translate

$8.50 per gallon


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17450 posts, RR: 46
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2052 times:

Quoting SATX (Thread starter):
Raising mileage requirements on cars is an obvious first step in reducing our nation’s oil consumption.

HOW ABOUT BUYING CARS WITH HIGHER MPGS!? WHAT IS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND???? If you buy gas guzzlers, companies will build gas guzzlers. It's so simple it's retarded.



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineManuCH From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 3011 posts, RR: 47
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2049 times:
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Quoting NWA742 (Reply 2):
Hmmm......just for you SATX, I'll be thinking about getting one of these some day.

And I think I'll be getting this one...



 rotfl   rotfl   rotfl 



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User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2040 times:

Quoting Cosec59 (Reply 5):
$8.50 per gallon

It should be about $7 a gallon. US Gallon = 3.78 litres.

Mark


User currently offlineMigFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2040 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 6):
HOW ABOUT BUYING CARS WITH HIGHER MPGS!? WHAT IS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND???? If you buy gas guzzlers, companies will build gas guzzlers. It's so simple it's retarded.

How about making a practical car that has high MPG. Compact cars do not count, for me, being 6'4" a compact car is a rather painful ride. We can all buy Hyundais, Hondas, Toyotas, Nissans, and Mitsubishi, but how is that helpful? The money goes to Japan, and I think those cars suck.

20 grand for a VW golf is not practical.

/M


User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8955 posts, RR: 60
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2014 times:
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Quoting MigFan (Reply 9):
The money goes to Japan, and I think those cars suck.

What criteria do you use to arrive at that conclusion? Just curious.




2H4





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User currently offlineAA777 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 2544 posts, RR: 28
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2010 times:
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Quoting MigFan (Reply 9):

20 grand for a VW golf is not practical.

Step into a VW GTI, and you'd be surprised how roomy it is. I am about 6'3" and still, its a roomy car.....

-AA777


User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2000 times:

Quoting MigFan (Reply 9):
How about making a practical car that has high MPG. Compact cars do not count, for me, being 6'4" a compact car is a rather painful ride. We can all buy Hyundais, Hondas, Toyotas, Nissans, and Mitsubishi, but how is that helpful? The money goes to Japan, and I think those cars suck.

If everyone started buying Toyotas, VWs etc because they were more fuel efficient, and gm sales went through the floor, don't you think they will notice in the GM boardroom?

As long as people continue to buy the big tanks, they have no incentive to produce anything smaller.

[Edited 2006-05-26 20:04:44]

User currently offlineBoeing Nut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1993 times:

Quoting SATX (Thread starter):
High Gas Prices? Don't Just Complain, Act!

Done! (Prius owner)

Sitting right next to my Dakota Quad Cab.
 mischievous 


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17450 posts, RR: 46
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1983 times:

Quoting MigFan (Reply 9):
How about making a practical car that has high MPG.

If Americans would BUY cars with higher MPGs then they'd MAKE them. The same goes for movies...if Americans would STOP GOING to Adam Sandler/Freddie Prinze Jr/Lindsay Lohan movies they'd STOP MAKING them and we'd all be better off.



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8955 posts, RR: 60
Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1955 times:
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Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 14):

If only we could tax shortsightedness and bad taste...




2H4





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User currently offlineCosec59 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1953 times:

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 15):
If only we could tax shortsightedness and bad taste...

then perhaps you would be bankrupt


User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7408 posts, RR: 50
Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1939 times:
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Quoting SATX (Thread starter):
Take Action Now to Reduce Our Nation’s Oil Consumption!

No ones listening, Travel this weekend is expected to grow 3 percent from last year. 92 percent of Americans are planning on aking a vacation this year according to tripadvisor.com



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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1932 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 6):
HOW ABOUT BUYING CARS WITH HIGHER MPGS!? WHAT IS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND???? If you buy gas guzzlers, companies will build gas guzzlers. It's so simple it's retarded.

 checkmark 

Everyone in this country should drive a vehicle that gets at least 25 MPG both highway and city.


User currently offlineSATX From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2840 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1923 times:

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 17):
No ones listening, Travel this weekend is expected to grow 3 percent from last year. 92 percent of Americans are planning on aking a vacation this year according to tripadvisor.com

Good point, and another reason that America seems more like the land of infinite hypocrisy. They sure seem to be complaining a lot for a group that does such a good job of ignoring the most obvious answer.

[Edited 2006-05-26 23:07:00]


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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17450 posts, RR: 46
Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1923 times:

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 15):
If only we could tax shortsightedness and bad taste...

I'd be totally fine with that! In fact I think a tax based on the mileage you put on your car wouldn't be half bad either. It would combat sprawl, traffic, and pollution in one swoop.



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8955 posts, RR: 60
Reply 21, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1912 times:
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Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 20):
In fact I think a tax based on the mileage you put on your car wouldn't be half bad either.

Interesting idea...it would also address road maintenance...the more one uses the roads, the more one pays for their upkeep. I wonder if anyone has tried such a system.




2H4





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User currently offlineMigfan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 1898 times:

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 10):
What criteria do you use to arrive at that conclusion? Just curious.

Experience mainly. My in-laws have Toyotas, and I think they are built cheap (cheaper than most cars today). I do not think any of the vehicles out there are actually worth what they cost, sorry BMW. The toyotas all have that "K-Mart" fake wood trim in their interiors. Toyota trucks were a joke where I grew up (New England). They would rust out in a few years from the weather, not to mention they are just too damned expensive.

Quoting AA777 (Reply 11):
Step into a VW GTI, and you'd be surprised how roomy it is. I am about 6'3" and still, its a roomy car.....

I used to have a 97 Jetta, and man, that was one uncomfortable car, but it was good on gas. My wife has a Cavalier, it is like driving a go-cart to me.

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 12):
If everyone started buying Toyotas, VWs etc because they were more fuel efficient, and gm sales went through the floor, don't you think they will notice in the GM boardroom?

Sure, but that will never happen. You actually have a better chance of being struck by lightning, or seeing dubya's approval ratings go up! Some people need to use their vehcile for other purposes than a simple conveyance. Movers, contractors, and tradesman all need vehicles to suit their jobs. Place fuel economy in that frame and you will get one word "diesel".

Rock on with your Prius, where do you put the batteries?

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 14):
If Americans would BUY cars with higher MPGs then they'd MAKE them. The same goes for movies...if Americans would STOP GOING to Adam Sandler/Freddie Prinze Jr/Lindsay Lohan movies they'd STOP MAKING them and we'd all be better off.

What does one have to do with the other? Are your theatrical tastes more defined than the rest of us?

Tool!

/M


User currently offlineSATX From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2840 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 1889 times:

Quoting Migfan (Reply 22):
dubya's approval ratings go up!

They will and they are.

Seriously, Bush is much more popular than his numbers first indicate. Just compare Bush's numbers to Kerry's or Gore's and you'll see he's doing fine. America may hate Bush, but they hate most liberals even more. Blame it on our 'liberal media'.



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User currently offlineGreaser From Bahamas, joined Jan 2004, 1101 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1876 times:

Quoting SATX (Reply 23):
Seriously, Bush is much more popular than his numbers first indicate. Just compare Bush's numbers to Kerry's or Gore's and you'll see he's doing fine. America may hate Bush, but they hate most liberals even more. Blame it on our 'liberal media'.

Truman had like 23% popularity when he went out, and now we all think he's a good president (because he is!) Popularity of polls are nothing but an indication of what kind of measures/legislation a president can push...remember when Truman fired Mccarthur? 69% of the country was behind the general that wanted WWIII with China, and nuclear warfare. These polls are based mainy on pure emotion.

Anyway..back to the topic, why do Americans continue to buy homes further and further away from the cities (jobs)??? All this whining about high gas prices, next thing you know a suburban family lives 20 miles from work, drives a car that gets 13mpg, and whine about it! These people just don't get it.

(excuse the language) but WTF are we doing making CARS (NOT JUST SUVs) that get less than 25 mpg???? Why do people buy cars with a 5.8 HEMI that drinks faster than Peter Griffin??? What good does it do to have a car that goes 0-60 in 5 seconds??? last time i checked, street racing is not only illegal, but expensive. How is it possible that instead of the human race evolving, we are degenerating. We create cars today that are actually less efficient than that of the 80's!



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25 Post contains images MaverickM11 : If you are into Adam Sandler/Freddie Prinze Jr movies, then yes
26 BR715-A1-30 : The money for my 2006 Toyota Corolla goes to California... Well, actually it goes to Carol Stream, IL where I finance the vehicle... It may be a japan
27 AirWillie6475 : Why don't they build new refineries?
28 SATX : Why did they close the ones they already had?
29 AirWillie6475 : I hear there is more oil in Colorado and Utah to make us independent of the middle east for a thousand years. I don't know what they are waiting for o
30 LO231 : It's called road tax in Europe, only car owners pay them... BTW, don't you have toll in America? That's where they get the maintenance money from...
31 2H4 : Only on certain freeways. The vast, vast majority of roads in the US are not toll roads. 2H4
32 AirframeAS : The US East coast cities have toll roads while the US West coast cities don't really have them at all, at least I hadn't seen one yet. Our road taxes
33 AirframeAS : Double post, pls remove.[Edited 2006-05-27 05:44:43]
34 ANCFlyer : Eviro-Nutjobs that won't let anyone build anything without years worth of study and permitting and court hearings. . . . On and on and on . . . . Tha
35 SCCutler : Wild rantings aside, it is true that we need to have vehicles which use less fuel, and while I love using an SUV when I need one, I *need* one about t
36 Post contains images TPAnx : Around the Tampa Bay area, it's to find affordable housing.Prices have soared, and a lot of people just can't afford to live where they'd like to. In
37 SATX : That does nothing to explain why they closed so many that were already in existence. It's not like the oil companies didn't know that they would face
38 MigFan : Whatever, go watch the Sundance channel...
39 LOT767-300ER : I drove through Carol Stream today...nice roads...must be because of your money. @UJOhgnfdsf F*ck Toll Roads in the USA. Anyone who lives in Illinois
40 MrChips : Wow. Just Wow. That is probably the most uninformed piece of information I've ever seen here. Every time gas prices go up, consumers go insane and de
41 NWA742 : From SATX, no doubt. -NWA742
42 Fanoftristars : Our biggest problem here in the US with high gas prices is that we use too much, and we're willing to pay the prices they are charging. Sure the oil c
43 Post contains images 2H4 : I hear you, Fanoftristars. I could afford a modest house in the country, but instead, I live one (1) mile away from work in a condo and honestly can'
44 Mir : Driving through Chicago recently, I tried to find a highway that was not under construction. In vain. Every single damn highway in that place was und
45 LOT767-300ER : Oh wait, but theres OPEN ROAD TOLLING. If you go up I-94 to Milwaukee theres one fully functional there... There a shitfest going on @ the O'Hare mai
46 Post contains images L410Turbolet : You've probably "heard" that wonderful piece of news from some reliable source, I guess. Perhaps this one??? or was it the White House press statemen
47 SATX : Typical useless post of yours. Feel free to start your own "The reason I love my favorite Oil company is...." or "The reason I hate all NIMBY's is...
48 Post contains images NWA742 : Well.......I got a kick out of it. Maybe, except for the fact that I don't have a favorite oil company, and if you look at a definition of "Nimby" th
49 SATX : So you see danger in people with differing views eh? That explains a lot.
50 NWA742 : I see danger in people who stick to hardcore party line views (like you've admitted to doing). -NWA742[Edited 2006-05-29 18:10:32]
51 EMBQA : Agreed- Gas prices in the US are some of the lowest in the world. Travel to Europe, you don't see monster SUV's and big low gas mileage cars. America
52 Mir : I was one of those people (not at that exit though) - I had to scrounge around my car for some extra change. The people behind me did not appreciate
53 Post contains images Gilligan : Since the Japanese and Koreans already do.... and they obviously sell, why doesn't Detroit take the hint?   Of course up until just over a year ago
54 Gilligan : You don't see the distances traveled either in Europe. Paris to Berlin=545 miles. Beaumont TX to El Paso TX=739 miles (and that's just one state in t
55 Post contains links L410Turbolet : While the EU often comes up with some really stupid ideas (i.e. tax on SMS messages) I am glad that they also sometimes spend time and resouces on mea
56 EMBQA : Sure you do. They just have a far better Mass Transit System. Americans have always been stuck on the automobile and the freedoms it offers. In Europ
57 Halls120 : What SATX won't tell you is that he probably thinks people are too stupid to recognize they should buy cars that get better mileage. Thus, it is the
58 B777-700 : Well, you think wrong. A lot of them are built in the US now, and um, Consumer Reports, along with just about everyone with any common sense disagree
59 MigFan : The companies, are STILL owned by the Japanese, unless something changed recently. I do not care how many factories they build here. That fact is jus
60 2H4 : So, just to clarify, you place more value on the location and nationality of the owners than on the percentage of Americans employed? Say, for exampl
61 Post contains links and images SATX : Don't buy that BS. I've lived in Texas for ages and I've never once had a car that could do 0-60 in 5 seconds. I've driven in all over Texas and I've
62 SATX : Have you even read the Consumers Union report yet? Or are they part of the vast liberal conspiracy too? Too stupid? Nah. Too spoiled and arrogant? Yu
63 Senorcarnival : I flew to ORD a couple of times last fall and both times on my way back, the toll baskets on the I-190 exit off I-294 were not working. When I tried
64 AndrewUber : LOL! I agree with you - and I already have a 12 mpg Nissan Armada (on ETHANOL however). Check your facts. My Armada was built in Canton, Ohio. More a
65 B777-700 : Yeah, must suck for you that they make a superior product. I guess you don't fly Airbus then right? Don't have any electronics in your possession? Ar
66 Post contains links Gilligan : https://www.eurostar.com/dynamic/_SvBoPassengerLoginTerm?_TMS=1148960574205&_DLG=SvBoPassengerLoginTerm&_LANG=UK&_AGENCY=ESTAR You can but considerin
67 SATX : Why do we even read your posts? Is there a basis for your childish accusation? Wait, look who I'm asking. I wonder if you give the pro-SUV crowd ulce
68 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Good idea SATX!!! Act against high oil prices! In the spirit of the thread, I'm going to make sure I fill the BAFDT as soon as I get back home before
69 Legend500 : SATX, I am a stockholder in several different oil & gas companies. Why do you think that I should not receive a benifit for my investment? Because you
70 L-188 : Yeah but I also heard that people while traveling where traveling an average of 1/2 day less then they where last year. Shorter Trips=Less Gas and a
71 Migfan : The jury is still out on that claim. You are basing your facts on just your experience alone, what good is that to reason? When I see proof that a To
72 Migfan : That is a pretty far out scenario. Location and nationality do count for al ot with me as does cost. Lincolns are great, but hardly worth the money.
73 Post contains links Gilligan : You asked a question and I gave you an answer. Don't like the answer, too bad. Yes, I get on the freeway several times each week here in Houston, if
74 Post contains links B777-700 : Uh, no. It isn't. No, I'm not...lol. Read Consumer Reports, Car and Driver, and just about any noteworthy forum or survey. Foriegn cars are simply ra
75 MaverickM11 : Well they are now, now that their big gas guzzlers have seen a precipitous drop in sales and all of the major US car companies are in deep doo-doo. T
76 2H4 : ....At the expense of American jobs, though? Personally, I would feel better about supporting twenty thousand American workers and their families....
77 MigFan : Not really, where are all of these foreign workers coming from? I still do not get that premise. Illegals getting employed in the vast union expanses
78 CasInterest : All, For those interested... here goes. 1. Why does the federal government not want to increase MPG efficiency? 1a. Each gallon of gas is taxed federa
79 2H4 : I'm referring to the outsourcing of labor to other countries, namely Canada and Mexico. More Toyotas are built in the US than Fords, so many thousand
80 Migfan : It does, but that is a factor I cannot control. (Unless I want to drive a Schwinn) I still would rather have my Ford that a Toyota. What would happen
81 Post contains images 2H4 : Probably to the same places Ford builds cars. FWIW, Schwinns haven't been built in the US for many years. Presently, none are built in the US at all.
82 Gilligan : I agree with you there in some cases such as personal amenities but in other areas, GM's onstar for example, I don't. Japanese have always been ahead
83 Migfan : Shocker, you would know that. The implied meaning was bicycle. Schwinn is the only brand I really know. My truck was built in Kansas City MO, so I am
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