AeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 18832 posts, RR: 64 Reply 1, posted (6 years 12 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1461 times:
Sabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 3, posted (6 years 12 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1444 times:
Quoting Duff44 (Reply 2): And the US has control over the World Cup?
No, they wouldn't even have control over the WC when they would be the host country. The FIFA is the organisation who is deciding about the participating teams, nobody else!
I had suported a ban against Iran (because of their completely insane president), but now it is too late I think, the WC is already beginning in 14 days and I highly doubt that the FIFA will kick Iran out!
Arsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7791 posts, RR: 23 Reply 4, posted (6 years 12 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1426 times:
No nation can 'ban' another country from participating in the world cup, and frankly, why should they? Only FIFA has that authority. And why do people insist on politicising everything? Iran might have a dickhead leader, but why should Iranian footballers, their fans and their people miss out on participating in the world cup (or any sporting event) because of their leader? Keep politics out of football.
Quoting Jetjack74 (Thread starter): John McCain is introducing a bill to be banned from the World Cup competition.
Pointless and irrelevant, only FIFA has that jurisdiction.
Falcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 6, posted (6 years 12 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1415 times:
Quoting Jetjack74 (Thread starter): John McCain is introducing a bill to be banned from the World Cup competition. Interesting events to follow.
Why is Mr. McCain sticking his nose into an event not being held in the United States, and it doesn't pertain to a U.S. team?
And hasn't he learned, you don't take the policies of a government out on the athletes, who, for the most part, simply want to compete for their nation?
Mr. McCain, stick to REAL U.S. government business, instead of pandering to the ultra-conservatives, 2 years before the Presidential campaign.
JCS17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 43 Reply 7, posted (6 years 12 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1415 times:
In my opinion, they should, although its not like McCain's bill could do anything other than make a statement. The opitimal situation, IMO, for Iran at this point would be something along an apartheid-era South Africa thread. In addition to economic embargos, a ban on sports teams participating in international competitions, and strict restrictions on government travel.
Sabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 9, posted (6 years 12 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1407 times:
Quoting Arsenal@LHR (Reply 4): And why do people insist on politicising everything?
I will not politicising this but I have to say that the Iranian team can cause a lot of problems when they are playing here in Germany. They are (or better: their president made them to a) security risk for themself and for people around, thus they should be kicked out.
There are Neo-Nazi groups who have already announced to protest for Ahmadinejad in front of the stadiums where the Iranian team is playing, they like him because he denies the Holocaust and because he announced to destroy Israel (which is by the way a crime here in Germany).
On the other hand have several 100000th of normal people announced to protest against him because they think he is a fuckwith.
Imagine now what can happen infront of a stadium where the Iranian team is playing against whoever...
The team is a security risk and should be banned from the WC because of that. Nobody would blame the Iranian team itself or the Iranian people in general, Mr. Ahmadinejad is to blame in such a case because of his incredible small brain.
AeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 18832 posts, RR: 64 Reply 10, posted (6 years 12 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1407 times:
I see. This is from April 6th. Shades of ClipperHawaii.
Falcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 11, posted (6 years 12 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1389 times:
Quoting JCS17 (Reply 7): In my opinion, they should
Of course you do. Becaue you don't remember the idiocy of the Olympic boycotts back in the '80's. It doesn't change government policy; it doesn't do a damn thing but hurt the athletes.
But knowing your stripe, Jcs, I'm utterly not surprised.
Jetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7335 posts, RR: 52 Reply 12, posted (6 years 12 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1380 times:
Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 6): Why is Mr. McCain sticking his nose into an event not being held in the United States, and it doesn't pertain to a U.S. team?
In the realm of CW, Iran is so insane about Euro-football, (to the point they called a national celebration after Iran qualified) that banning hem from competition might put pressure on the Iranian Gov't to back off from uranium enrichment. A far-fetched idea, and I believe that FIFA rejected the resolution.
Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 6): And hasn't he learned, you don't take the policies of a government out on the athletes, who, for the most part, simply want to compete for their nation?
That's FIFA's stance. As JCS pointed out, my birth nation of South Africa was barred from competing in international sports during the years of Aparthied.
Not necessarily. Back in Euro 1992, Yugoslavia was banned in a matter of days prior to the beginning of the tournament.
Personally, I'm against such measures, but....
Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 12): Iran is so insane about Euro-football, (to the point they called a national celebration after Iran qualified) that banning hem from competition might put pressure on the Iranian Gov't to back off from uranium enrichment.
Or it can push them to be more radical. Now, imagine Iran qualifies for the second round and what horror would it be for security forces in Iran to control all those who would celebrate in the streets.
Falcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 15, posted (6 years 12 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1352 times:
Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 12): In the realm of CW, Iran is so insane about Euro-football, (to the point they called a national celebration after Iran qualified) that banning hem from competition might put pressure on the Iranian Gov't to back off from uranium enrichment.
It didn't sway the Russians to get out of Afghanistan in 1980, did it, when we boycotted? They don't work, and they only hurt the athletes. Iran will go on with it's program no matter what McCain is arguing.
That's just stupid. It's stupid and silly.
Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 12): That's FIFA's stance. As JCS pointed out, my birth nation of South Africa was barred from competing in international sports during the years of Aparthied.
And that government lasted for years despite, didn't it?
JCS17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 43 Reply 16, posted (6 years 12 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1338 times:
Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 11): Of course you do. Becaue you don't remember the idiocy of the Olympic boycotts back in the '80's. It doesn't change government policy; it doesn't do a damn thing but hurt the athletes.
But knowing your stripe, Jcs, I'm utterly not surprised.
Just think of those poor, poor Iranian soccer players . You're so compassionate. When is your candlelight vigil for Uday and Qusay Hussein, again?
Jetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7335 posts, RR: 52 Reply 18, posted (6 years 12 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1330 times:
Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 15): That's just stupid. It's stupid and silly
Did I say I support it? I was pointing out the conventional wisdom behind the thought. It's not my idea. I agree it would probably be pointless.
Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 15): And that government lasted for years despite, didn't it?
It was a shame. They arguably had the best rugby back in the 60's. One of the only South Africans to compete in international sport during the ban was the great tennis player Kevin Curren(the reason was because of his affiliation with the University of Texas, where he was an alumn) who played 17 year-old Boris Becker and lost in 4 sets.
Falcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 19, posted (6 years 12 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1330 times:
Quoting JCS17 (Reply 16): Just think of those poor, poor Iranian soccer players . You're so compassionate. When is your candlelight vigil for Uday and Qusay Hussein, again?
That was so funny I forgot to laugh, Jcs.
Last time I checked, those soccer players hadn't harmed you and your precious CEO-wannabe, dominate-the-employees future, have they? Last time I checked, they didn't do one thing to cause any of this political crap, did they?
The thing with you, if you had your way, anyone who didn't agree with you would be banned from just about anything, because of your holier-than-thou ego, Jcs.
The U.S. Congress has no business even asking FIFA to boot out a nation in an event not even being held in the United States. I WOULD support a Sense of The Senate Resolution asking Germany not to let that screwball running Iraq in, but to take it out on the players, well, shows again that there's no such thing as "compassionate conservatism".
Jetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7335 posts, RR: 52 Reply 20, posted (6 years 12 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1326 times:
Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 19): I WOULD support a Sense of The Senate Resolution asking Germany not to let that screwball running Iraq in
ME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13874 posts, RR: 28 Reply 22, posted (6 years 12 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1296 times:
Quoting Jetjack74 (Thread starter): John McCain is introducing a bill to be banned from the World Cup competition.
I am sorry, but has Mr McCain given up as US politician and been elected into the German Bundestag ? or is he now in FIFA trying to introduce "bills" into this organisation ???
Jetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7335 posts, RR: 52 Reply 24, posted (6 years 12 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1267 times:
Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 23): Jeez, one letter, and he goes nuts.
Of course. We can't have a civil end to a debate. That's like Seattle without rain.
Made from jets!
25 11Bravo: Actually it looks like you had it right the first time. http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/05/26/iraq.iran/index.html
26 Falcon84: Hell, Seattle has has nothing on Cleveland the last three weeks, bro.
27 AirframeAS: If the WC was in the U.S., you can bet that the INS & the state department might revoke the visas of the Iranian players. I'm surprised no one thought
28 Bill142: They can if all nationals from that country aren't permitted to enter.
29 ME AVN FAN: in other words GERMANY could do so, at least in principle, but is a country respecting international law and decent behaviours --- THEY learnt from h
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