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Home Abortions 'hit Record High'  
User currently offline9VSPO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 7 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1685 times:

A record 10,000 women had an abortion at home last year, the British Pregnancy Advisory Service has said.

It said nearly one-third of the 32,000 terminations it provided in the first nine weeks of pregnancy had been "medical" - involving abortion drugs. The BPAS described the trend as a "success" for sexual health, but campaign groups have been critical.

Are you for or against?

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User currently offlineBMIFlyer From UK - England, joined Feb 2004, 8810 posts, RR: 58
Reply 1, posted (8 years 7 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1678 times:

Touchy subject.....

I'll just say, I dont think I could ever ask/tell my gf/fiancee/wife, etc, to have an abortion, it just wouldn't feel right (i'm single - so just being hypothetical).

I would actually want to be there for the child, and partner, thats the kinda guy I am  Smile



Lee



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User currently offlineKFLLCFII From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3311 posts, RR: 30
Reply 2, posted (8 years 7 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1667 times:

Quoting 9VSPO (Thread starter):
The BPAS described the trend as a "success" for sexual health

I'm all for personal freedom and responsibility, and I believe abortions are justified in certain instances...But there's nothing healthy about "abortion on demand" in the form of a pill, all in the name of retaining an active sex life...



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User currently offlineAa757first From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3350 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (8 years 7 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1662 times:

What's the defininition of a home abortion? Prescription pills being taken at home under the advice of a doctor or one carried out soley by an untrained person? I'm pro-life, but just wondering.

AAndrew


User currently offlineDougloid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 7 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1662 times:

I've got two grandchildren, two kids, and their respective spouses. They wine me and dine me and feed me like the prodigal son. I'm sure that if any of them had a fatted calf it's days would be numbered when I come to town. Vickie is six and Jackie is 1 year old and they're lovely people.

Thank heaven the ex didn't listen to me back in 1969.


User currently offlineBMIFlyer From UK - England, joined Feb 2004, 8810 posts, RR: 58
Reply 5, posted (8 years 7 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1662 times:

Quoting KFLLCFII (Reply 2):
But there's nothing healthy about "abortion on demand" in the form of a pill, all in the name of retaining an active sex life...

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Yes, something I strongly agree about.


Lee



Sometimes You Can't Make It On Your Own
User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12286 posts, RR: 35
Reply 6, posted (8 years 7 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1581 times:
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And more is to come if abortion is made illegal. People will still want an abortion and making it illegal will only cause people to do it underground with all the risks involved. As anti-choice people are against this simply for religious reasons, it shouldn't be outlawed, as others might not share their beliefs.


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User currently offlineQANTASforever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 7 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1577 times:

I'm not too keen on 'home abortions' no matter how it's done. My greatest fear is that changes to the law may put women in a situation where they can only have an abortion in some shoddy basement at the hands of a dubious individual. Abortion should be regulated, and legal. That said, I believe governments have a greater responsibility (if they really want to lower the abortion rate) to create a national environment where women would be able to better handle the responsibilities of parenting (paid maternity leave, free child care, better financial assistance).

No sane person 'likes' abortion, but we don't live in a world where what we dislike automatically disappears.

QFF


User currently offlineJap From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 7 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1568 times:

Jesus... tough subject.

I've had an abortion myself- for the sake of the child. I wouldn't be able to take care of a baby- especially when the man isn't in the picture anymore. And with all the problems I have, it was the best anyway. Even though I regret it today. But that's mostly the guilt of killing a defenseless creature playing a part here, not the fact that I actually wanted the baby to have a mother like me.

Adoption wasn't a possibility either- the child would wonder where he/she came from, wonder why I didn't want him/her and probably hate me for the rest of his/her life. Also, a lot of my adopted friends tell me they would rather have been dead than go through the torment of being an adoptee again.

So depending on the situation, I say it's ok for a woman to decide what's best for her unborn child. If death is better than life, then so be it. And I don't care much for men who scream "MURDER!"- they don't know what it's like  Wink

However, more control is needed. Women who don't protect themselves (which I did before you jump the gun... turned out the pill has no effect on me) and use abortion as a contraception should be shot. It shouldn't be allowed anyway.


User currently offlineFlyingbabydoc From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 7 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1561 times:

Quoting Jap (Reply 8):

It takes a lot of courage to speak so openly about such a delicate and intimate issue, specially in a forum like this. I admire your courage and I am sorry you had to make such a difficult choice.

Quoting Jap (Reply 8):
However, more control is needed. Women who don't protect themselves (which I did before you jump the gun... turned out the pill has no effect on me) and use abortion as a contraception should be shot. It shouldn't be allowed anyway.

What should not be allowed? Abortion? we have to deal many, many times with babies that are born with all sorts of problems from parents who do not even see them once (once!) after birth. These babies are not even given for adoption, they are simply "shoved" into an asylum since there is no hope for them. I think that having an abortion, albeit painful and with ever-lasting consequences, should be always an option for cases in which the welfare of the child (and mother) will be severely compromised, both physically as well as socially.

With that said, I feel very frustrated that decades of sexual education, of intense mass-media advertising about the need from precaution (besides getting pregnant, women may be getting all sorts of STD's) seem to have brought about little in terms of actual safe sex practices, particularly among adolescents.

If anyone is against abortion, I would say they should either engage in real campaigning for education of children and teenagers (and not by proclaiming that abstinence is the best method - it is unrealistic and dangerous to think young people will abide to that) and/or creating/supporting shelters or institutions that deal with the amount of unwanted children in the world. Otherwise, cruel as it may sound, I think abortion is a valid solution.

Alex


User currently offlineDuke From Canada, joined Sep 1999, 1155 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (8 years 7 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1556 times:

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 6):



Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 6):
And more is to come if abortion is made illegal. People will still want an abortion and making it illegal will only cause people to do it underground with all the risks involved. As anti-choice people are against this simply for religious reasons, it shouldn't be outlawed, as others might not share their beliefs.

An ignorant comment. Some atheists are also against abortion on demand, as they see it for what it is - the taking of a human life, a fact which has been medically proven.


User currently offlineJap From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 7 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1551 times:

Quoting Flyingbabydoc (Reply 9):
What should not be allowed? Abortion?

First, thanks for your kind words.

Secondly, abortion should be allowed- but being able to use it as a contraception shouldn't... Of course it wouldn't help to force these girls to have the babies as the babies would probably suffer.

Let me give you an example... when I went to school, I was in the same class as a girl who, at age 16, had had THREE surgical abortions. Whenever someone mentioned condoms, her response was- "why? You can just have the 'accident' removed!".

Girls like that need to be educated.


User currently offlineFlyingbabydoc From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 7 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1544 times:

Quoting Jap (Reply 11):
Girls like that need to be educated.

First of all, Jap, let me apologize - I misunderstood your post.

Secondly, I think you are too kind with a girl like this. This girl should be taken to an IVF center, and watch the enormous effort it is for some parents to get pregnant. She should also be shown what consequences all these abortions will have for her own ability of procreating in the future. And then assist in a few abortions to see what exactly is removed.

Unfortunately, as we have discussed on a thread about a 12 y.o. pregnant, education comes ultimately from home. As long as parents are relapse in educating their children about the value of a human life and the responsibility towards children to their own offspring cases like these are bound to repeat themselves.

Alex


User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12286 posts, RR: 35
Reply 13, posted (8 years 7 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1531 times:
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Quoting Duke (Reply 10):
An ignorant comment. Some atheists are also against abortion on demand, as they see it for what it is - the taking of a human life, a fact which has been medically proven.

Please point out what was ignorant. If you say it's not religious, then fine, but most of the demonstrations over here are by overly Christian people.

And you can't say there won't be underground (and dangerous) abortions if it is outlawed..



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User currently offlineDougloid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 7 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1524 times:

I concur. Takes a lot of heart for a woman to stand up in public and say "I've had an abortion" and set out the rationale for it.

The problems that lie behind the argument relate to widely divergent world views, further complicated by resorting to sloganeering and demagoguery.
The truth lies somewhere in between.

One thing has puzzled me over the years is the trivialization of fathers, what their role should be, and what their responsibilities are to the unborn. I was looking at a website the other day which has several pages of interesting statistics on the teenage mother phenomenon and it said nothing about fathers and their responsibilities at all. Often they're marginalized or characterized as empty headed sperm donors with no standing to even open their mouths and voice an opinion. Certainly, the pro abortion people are not interested in hearing from prospective fathers.

One thing I've learned is that if you treat people like idiots or third class citizens, they usually will get busy showing you what idiots they can be.

Back in the day where I grew up, girls occasionally did get pregnant. You always knew who was dad, because he dropped out of school and the next time you saw him he was working as a box boy at the A&P struggling with the GED and paying the rent on a small apartment over a store. His life had suddenly changed.

There was a normative force that is missing today.

Shotgun weddings will make a man of you. I was at one. It was my own, point of fact, and both families were holding the shotguns. That being said, with the perspective that only age can give, I think on the whole making people take ownership of their errors of judgment, even though it has life changing results, is a worthwhile thing. I certainly can see the wisdom of it at this remove. That, and two lovely grandchildren make the point amply for me.

One starts down the road to self interest, eugenics, and ultimately the death camp by making it easy to dispose of a fetus and dehumanizing it with empty headed rhetoric. Making abortion anything other than difficult to obtain is an exceedingly dangerous social policy.

Having said all that, the best way for the pro abortion people to advance their cause is precisely that-consistently dehumanize the fetus and trivialize the father. These days, abortion is no more than a bad method of family planning. We're bound to pay for bad social policy in divers ways.

As Jefferson said, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that his justice cannot sleep forever.


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17829 posts, RR: 46
Reply 15, posted (8 years 7 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1514 times:

Quoting 9VSPO (Thread starter):
Are you for or against?

I don't care either way whether it's the morning after pill, or surgery, or a coat hanger. I'd just like to see more people think before they act. No one wants an abortion, and if everyone put a little more thought into their actions (I know, revolutionary concept) we could reduce abortions by over 90% probably.



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User currently offlineQANTASforever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 7 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1511 times:

Quoting Dougloid (Reply 14):
Certainly, the pro abortion people are not interested in hearing from prospective fathers.

No sane person is 'pro abortion'. They may be pro-life, but how can anyone get a kick out of an abortion?

Quoting Dougloid (Reply 14):
Making abortion anything other than difficult to obtain is an exceedingly dangerous social policy.

You don't think that forcing women into basement abortions is more dangerous than this threat to society you're talking about?

Quoting Dougloid (Reply 14):
Shotgun weddings will make a man of you.

It also has the potential to make two people very unhappy, although this is obviously not the case for you.

Quoting Dougloid (Reply 14):
I think on the whole making people take ownership of their errors of judgment, even though it has life changing results, is a worthwhile thing.

For you, maybe. For you, going through with a pregnancy may be the right decision. But society isn't made up of multiples of you, or me; it's a collection of individuals with unique lives and different backgrounds. I think it's incorrect for you to want your opinion forced on people.

QFF


User currently offlineFlyingbabydoc From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 7 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1505 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 15):
I don't care either way whether it's the morning after pill, or surgery, or a coat hanger

Well, I do care: Morning after pill: increased risk of Stroke, cardiovascular problems, pituitary dysfunction
Surgery: adhesions in the Uterus, perforation, bleeding.
Coat Hanger: infection, septicemia, death.

At least where abortion is legal these women have a chance of undergoing a procedure with minimal risk to themselves.

Quoting Dougloid (Reply 14):
One thing I've learned is that if you treat people like idiots or third class citizens, they usually will get busy showing you what idiots they can be.

Well, sometimes you can treat them as 1st class citizens and they will still behave as trash. I believe that once a "level" of education has been established and reached for a certain family, there is little room for improvement.

Quoting Dougloid (Reply 14):
consistently dehumanize the fetus and trivialize the father.

This is an interesting point. Dehumanize the fetus is a consequence of empowering women, since it is their body and nothing else. However, it is the truth. In a situation where both mother and fetus are in jeopardy, preference is given to save that one who is already "alive" - the mother. Since 68,5% of all conceptions end up NOT resulting in an alive birth, over-humanizing fetuses may also be detrimental.
Nonetheless, the trivialization of the father is a reality. We seldom see a conjoint decision-making between parents, particularly when the couple is young, regarding difficult medical situations with the children. I think that men are often to blame for that - and the lack of responsibility a sign of the abysmally minute value a child has nowadays for many young people.

If you want to reduce abortion, improve education in general - parents and children alike. Otherwise, it is a lost cause, IMHO.

Alex


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17829 posts, RR: 46
Reply 18, posted (8 years 7 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1502 times:

Quoting Flyingbabydoc (Reply 17):
Well, I do care: Morning after pill: increased risk of Stroke, cardiovascular problems, pituitary dysfunction
Surgery: adhesions in the Uterus, perforation, bleeding.
Coat Hanger: infection, septicemia, death.

What about the one you forgot? Birth control pills and a condom Silly?



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User currently offlineJap From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 7 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1482 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 15):
I'd just like to see more people think before they act. No one wants an abortion, and if everyone put a little more thought into their actions (I know, revolutionary concept) we could reduce abortions by over 90% probably.

I hope you're bloody kidding me! MOST women don't just go to the doc saying "Hi! I'd like an abortion!"- most women actually cry, mourn and think it through!

It's not humanly possible to go through what I've been through without feeling ANYTHING. If you don't react, your body will. And you WILL get depressed. Some more than others.

As surprising as it sounds NO ONE goes through an abortion without really thinking about it. And if they do, they regret it afterwards and certainly won't ever do it again!

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 18):
What about the one you forgot? Birth control pills and a condom Silly?

That's a bit too late if you're already pregnant.


User currently offlineBMIFlyer From UK - England, joined Feb 2004, 8810 posts, RR: 58
Reply 20, posted (8 years 7 months 3 days ago) and read 1473 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 15):
No one wants an abortion

Some women don't have a choice, such as in rape cases, where usually the female decides it is best not to complete the pregnancy, which I truly understand.

Quoting QANTASforever (Reply 16):
No sane person is 'pro abortion'. They may be pro-life, but how can anyone get a kick out of an abortion?

I'm certainly not "pro abortion" but if for any reason, my other half was compelled to have one, then I would support it, because in the end, she would be the one carrying the baby, not me.

However i wouldn't go upto her and say, "hey nows not the time for a baby, so u have to abort it no matter what". Why would anyone?

Quoting Jap (Reply 19):
MOST women don't just go to the doc saying "Hi! I'd like an abortion!"- most women actually cry, mourn and think it through!

Correct, 99% of women do think it through, however there are a small minority who think an abortion is something they can "have" as an when the feel the need - pretty pityful IMO.



Lee



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User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 7 months 3 days ago) and read 1471 times:

You shouldn't have done that! He's Just a boy! poor little feller...

User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17829 posts, RR: 46
Reply 22, posted (8 years 7 months 3 days ago) and read 1461 times:

Quoting Jap (Reply 19):
most women actually cry, mourn and think it through!

Yeah, AFTER the fact.

Quoting BMIFlyer (Reply 20):
Some women don't have a choice, such as in rape cases

They are a small minority, particularly in the EU and US.

Quoting Jap (Reply 19):
That's a bit too late if you're already pregnant.

Yeah, that's the point. Think about it BEFORE you're pregnant, and you wont have to "cry, mourn, and think it through"...you can go straight to the shame, embarassment, and regret of sleeping with a bar troll and completely skip the invasive surgery portion of the affair Silly



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User currently offlineQANTASforever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 7 months 3 days ago) and read 1457 times:

Quoting QANTASforever (Reply 16):
No sane person is 'pro abortion'. They may be pro-life, but how can anyone get a kick out of an abortion?

Just to clarify, I meant to write "pro-choice" as opposed to "pro-life" in the second sentence.

QFF


User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 24, posted (8 years 7 months 3 days ago) and read 1456 times:

Quoting 9VSPO (Thread starter):
Are you for or against?

Tough question that is sure to stir up the pot. Personally I am against it as a form of contraceptive. If the life of the mother is threatened then fine. If the mother is raped or the victim of incest (most likely rape) then fine. I know if I was in that situation I would want nothing to do with something that is made up of half of the monster who did the rape. As someone who is adopted I am thankful that I was given a chance. Yes, I was born before Roe v. Wade, but we all know back alley abortions happened even then. The problem with this question is that so many people are going to fall one way or the other with little room in the middle. It is such a polarizing question that we have ended up with it being a litmus test for almost anyone who wants to hold elected office in the USA.

Quoting Jap (Reply 8):
Adoption wasn't a possibility either- the child would wonder where he/she came from, wonder why I didn't want him/her and probably hate me for the rest of his/her life.

As someone who is adopted I can tell you that thought has never entered my mind. I've even met my birth mother and I don't hate her one bit. While she has been successful with her life had I been a part of it she wouldn't be where she is today. I also would not have made it to where I am today either and for that I thank her for giving me up and my real parents for raising me right. She and I no longer talk but that is for different reasons than her putting me up for adoption.

Quoting Jap (Reply 8):
a lot of my adopted friends tell me they would rather have been dead than go through the torment of being an adoptee again.

Perhaps in older children that get passed around the foster care system but not if you gave them up at birth. Truthfully the only reason why I even know I'm adopted is because my parents decided to tell me on their terms before my drunk grandfather decided to tell me on his.

Quoting Dougloid (Reply 14):
Takes a lot of heart for a woman to stand up in public and say "I've had an abortion" and set out the rationale for it.

Yes, it does. I may not agree with it in many cases but it takes guts to speak out about it.



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25 TedTAce : If we held up our responsibilities as parents, our children would be smart enough to not find themselves in this position to begin with. That being sa
26 Post contains images Jap : Why thank you... No, before. You really think it's easy for a woman to make a decision like that? Tough break- it ISN'T. For the 1% that actually use
27 Post contains images 9VSPO : I think it's upto the individual whatever they decide. I think it's a very difficult decision to make and I respect any decision that person makes. Th
28 MaverickM11 : Calm down there. I'm not the one that said anyone should be shot. Also, if you've read anything I've said, you would see that all I want is that one
29 TedTAce : You are welcome. If being on the pill and using a condom are not enough, ok, fine, I understand a TRUE accident. But I think you know as well as I do
30 Jap : I/we did. So. What you just wrote didn't really come through in your original post. Just seemed like you described everyone who have an abortion as s
31 Post contains images TedTAce : In a perfect world they carry the baby for 4.5 months. If they did; then they'd bare more responsibility. Unfortunately while you are right in concep
32 Kazzie : Mistakes, Accidents can happen, precaution or not.
33 Post contains images BMIFlyer : Lee
34 Jap : I agree. But that's not how you think if you haven't been in the situation. "that won't happen to me"- and that's not necessarily being stupid, becau
35 MaverickM11 : Yeah but they get zero input after the fact. Oy. That's false.
36 Post contains images Jap : You don't want to know who actually made the decission in my case then Read the post just before yours... the one made by me.
37 Post contains images Flyingbabydoc : Some people say abstinence is 100% guaranteed. However, as it says in the Bible, apparently there is one case in which even with complete Abstinence
38 Dougloid : I think the record is clear on this subject. Some people are for unlimited access to abortion, no questions asked. That qualifies as pro abortion, an
39 Post contains images Jap : a "virgin" in biblical terms isn't one who hasn't had sex In those times, it was normal for a man to get his woman pregnant by another man to confirm
40 Post contains images Flyingbabydoc : Oh indeed... Biblical terms are always quite "interesting"... I like when they are used in one way when necessary, then turned 180° when the message
41 TedTAce : I guess I should have further qualified it. But in my experience; 1/100 pregancies are truly 'accidental'. The 99 other players call it an accident;
42 Flyingbabydoc : Although in theory I agree with you, it is difficult IMO to establish who should have children and who should not; who is truly unwanted and who can
43 FSPilot747 : Oh dear, I believe I've soiled myself. Signed, Alberchico
44 TedTAce : I say it's impossible for any human to really make that choice though it happens every day. That being said I think those choices result in better ch
45 MaverickM11 : Stupidity...no other reason. I bet on average they'd be better parents since homosexuals can't accidentally have children. They have to want children
46 Flyingbabydoc : Well, reading from my posts, I guess you can pretty much conclude I agree with you 100%. A life of suffering, abuse and neglect cannot be better than
47 Post contains images TedTAce : And are not concieved in the first place End unwanted conception (including rape), and the only reason for abortion is the life of the mother.
48 Dougloid : One of the great weaknesses of eugenics was that it proposed to do the unthinkable based on what we now know is bad science. Marvin Harris points out
49 FSPilot747 : Wow. Welcome to my respected users list, for whatever it's worth. My sentiments exactly.
50 QANTASforever : You didn't answer my question, but you seem to be suggesting that back alley abortions are better than a society which you believe doesn't take respo
51 Dougloid : Not what I'm suggesting at all. If abortion is presented as the easiest solution to the *oops I did it again* problem (apologies to Britney Spears) t
52 777236ER : Sorry, what experience is this, exactly? I hope this is a joke.
53 SkySurfer : Sorry to be harsh, but who the hell cares? If you get pregnant then it's either planned, accidental through lack of caution or it's forced (ie rape).
54 Dougloid : It sounds like you're the one that's being harsh and judgmental. When you become a mother or father and your 16 year old kid comes home with this pro
55 TedTAce : Can you not read? Did I say I was anythng special? No, I just said out of MY expereince, wherein I have talked to a lot of other people who have had
56 777236ER : Your disdain for human life is quite offensive. I suppose the holocaust wasn't that bad, because only 6 million Jews, homosexuals and gypsies were mu
57 TedTAce : You really aren't paying too much attention are you? Come up with a non-emotional argument and I'll start to care about what you think.
58 Post contains images 9VSPO : C'mon guys put your handbags away. This is about home abortions not you two starting WWIII. Chill...
59 777236ER : You said this: In a thread about abortion, how does this not show a complete disdain for human life?
60 BHXFAOTIPYYC : Funny to see so many men on this thread with such strong opinions against abortion, considering pregnancy has zero chance of happening to them. Some p
61 TedTAce : While it illuminates that we do not need as many people on the planet as there are, it doesn't preach the arbitrary execution of them either. If you
62 777236ER : Disgusting.
63 Myt332 : Says who? I don't get what you're saying, how many people do we need? I hope I'm one of them!
64 Dougloid : Yes, there are a couple. In view of the above, why have you/have you not committed suicide? Please explain. If a person crawls up his arse and disapp
65 Post contains images TedTAce : Simple People who better understand the balance of our resources and the demands upon it. Zero. People are the biggest problem this planet has ever f
66 Dougloid : How about you grab mrocktor's collection of Ayn Rand novels when he comes out of the crapper if ever. That's about your speed. Even you should know t
67 777236ER : You're starting to sounds more like a 1930s eugenicist with each post you make. At what point does what your saying become incitement to murder? As D
68 Post contains images TedTAce : Yeap, everyone but me Glad both you ignored my other points..how convenient.
69 777236ER : Just how far is the step between your ideas and deciding that the way to solve the 'problem' is to exterminate a few people? Comments like: mean that
70 Dougloid : They were not ignored....they were merely dismissed as idiotic. If you were a REAL eugenicist like Garrett Hardin, you'd off yourself in a minute lik
71 DeltaDC9 : Then how do you feel about retroactive abortion rights of the parent? Yours in particular.
72 Jaysit : Ruth and Fred's Home Abortion Kit ! Only $ 29.99 (coat hangers included). But wait, if you order now, you get the amazing Ruth and Fred's Home Perm Ki
73 777236ER : The logical contiuation of this view is that people should be sterilized compulsorily. Would you start with the mentally ill and criminals? Or would
74 Post contains images TedTAce : You drew that conclusion from your own beliefs, I merely stated a reason why I shoudn't be terminated. People who took idea like mine and politicized
75 Dougloid : You're so out of date it's pathetic if it wasn't so funny Mr. DNA. This issue was decided in Skinner v. Oklahoma more than sixty years ago.
76 DeltaDC9 : 1) Retroactive is a big word? 2) I am not pro-life in the way you imply, and do not go to "rallies" 3) I was referring to an episode of South Park wh
77 777236ER : Are you joking? I'm entirely for abortion! Do you get the feeling that if TedTAce were around back in 1942, he'd be very supportive of the policies o
78 Post contains images TedTAce : Listen, just because I like the idea doesn't mean I honestly think it's going to happen. There are a LOT more ideas that I have, most of which I know
79 777236ER : Because you're not arguing for abortion. You're entirely ignoring ideas that women have a right to choose, that there's an undeniable difference betw
80 TedTAce : And in my principle example I cited disease, and a natural disaster. I'm not some kind of meglomaniac that thinks 'God' will purify the earth. Nor do
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