NASBWI From Bahamas, joined Feb 2005, 1281 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3022 times:
Just outta curiosity, what exactly about the so-called "American Empire" is threatening the human race? Culture? Hmm...if Venezuelans are immersing themselves in American culture (and it happens to have a negative affect), then I'd say that's a local problem...blame the citizens for absorbing it, so to speak. Definitely sounds like a nonsensical rant to me.
Luisde8cd From Pitcairn Islands, joined Aug 2004, 2522 posts, RR: 32 Reply 11, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2948 times:
Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 9): As a Ecuadorian, I am ashamed to hear that Ecuador has invited him. Then again, Ecuador
Remember that Chavez uses his Petrodollars to buy support around the globe. The reason he was invited is because he offered refinary capacity to Ecuador free or charge. Under the deal signed today, Ecuador will send 100,000 daily barrels of crude to be refined in Venezuelan refinieries. The refined products will then be shipped back to Ecuador so that it can consume it and export it. ALL OF THIS FREE OF CHARGE.
This spare refinery capacity is thanks to the wrecked State-run oil company PDVSA (owner of CITGO), which is in hands of pro-Chavez unqualified workers after Chavez fired 20,000 workers because they didn't support his goverment. PDVSA produces half of what it did before the massive lay-off of employees in 2003.
AndesSMF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 12, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2939 times:
Quoting Luisde8cd (Reply 14): This spare refinery capacity is thanks to the wrecked State-run oil company PDVSA (owner of CITGO), which is in hands of pro-Chavez unqualified workers after Chavez fired 20,000 workers because they didn't support his goverment. PDVSA produces half of what it did before the massive lay-off of employees in 2003.
Right, not surprised. BTW, I read a report not long ago that Chavez had oversold oil and had to import oil from Russia to cover his shortfalls. What is the deal with this?
It varies from country to country. Countries which are socialist (or very socialists) like France and Spain do love him. But in the Czech Republic he is regarded as a crazy man. Also, the Czechs are the second main Cuban enemy after the US because we are implementing policies against this country. The Czech Rep really does not like people like Chavez, Castro or Kim Chong-Il.
Checo77 From Peru, joined Oct 2004, 1345 posts, RR: 8 Reply 15, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2858 times:
Quoting Migfan (Reply 21): Besides the whole communism thing. What does everyone have against Cuba?
I think they only are against the communism thing. Cubans (ordinary people, not gov.) are known (at least in Czech Rep) to be VERY nice people. But everybody hates Castro and his regime and the human rights supressings.
LTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 12687 posts, RR: 13 Reply 19, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2813 times:
Back in the late 1950's then USA Vice-President Nixon visited Venezula, he had his cars hit with stuff, people were carrying signs saying 'Yanquie go home' and near-riot conditions that endangered him and so on, so the anti-American rants there are nothing new. I agree that Chavez needs something to distract his countries' citizens from the many problems and so attacks the USA, but not without some historical cause. Consider that the USA has often supported mean, cruel and often despotic leaders in South and Central America, the Middle East and elsewhere, so long as not Commies and would allow our trade, access to oil and so on. So it is no wonder about the beheavor of Chavez and even some terrorists.
Luisde8cd From Pitcairn Islands, joined Aug 2004, 2522 posts, RR: 32 Reply 20, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2762 times:
Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 26): Back in the late 1950's then USA Vice-President Nixon visited Venezula, he had his cars hit with stuff, people were carrying signs saying 'Yanquie go home' and near-riot conditions that endangered him and so on, so the anti-American rants there are nothing new.
I'm sorry but your conclusion is completely wrong. Anti-American rants here in Venezuela are very new, they started when Chavez won the presidency in 1998. The fact that Nixon was hit with stuff and people saying "Yankee Go Home" in the late 50s were acts coordinated by the Marxist Guerrilla groups operating in Venezuela at that time. The Guerrillas were financed by the Soviet Communist Party and Fidel Castro. Cuban forces alongside guerrillas invaded the Venezuelan coast a couple of times. Pro-Communist army officers tried to overthrow the democratic govt. twice and failed.
By the early 70s, all guerrillas were exterminated and communism erradicated from Venezuela. The Venezuelan communist party disbanded and many started a Centre-Left-wing party called MAS (Currently oppose Chavez).
There were no Anti-US riots or protests when President Clinton visited Venezuela in 1996. I remember the C-5's parked in CCS unloading the BlackHawk choppers which were used to take Clinton from CCS to the city.
No Venezuelan govt had ever ranted at the US before Chavez. I think that gives you an idea of why Venezuela was the first country to get F16s in the Americas outside of the US. We got 23 F16s from the US in 1983.
KingAir200 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1598 posts, RR: 2 Reply 21, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2740 times:
Whoa Hugo, homie! Take the joint out of your mouth, put down the rum, and think about what you just said. Toolio here needs to calm it down, or he might get himself iced. Just exactly who was he appealing to when he mentioned the destruction of the "American Empire?"
"The American Empire existance threatens the survival of the human race, it must be destroyed or else we'll die".
I just heard him on national TV, he's broadcasting live from the Venezuelan Embassy in Quito, Ecuador.
Something of this line of reasoning reminds me that, talented though he is as a filmmaker, George Lucas should never been seen as a political philosopher of great note, and particularly not by literalists who may also believe that Luke Skywalker and the Rebel Alliance would support the causes of the left. Luke, after all, was royalty -- hardly the type to support socialism, I would think.
Which is just a long way of saying that the moment that President Bush dissolves the Galactic Senate, I will be instantly convinced of the truth of Chavez's comments... but not before.
Until today, I had never believed Chavez to have been part of the tinfoil hat brigade, but now I'm not so sure.
Mir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 20541 posts, RR: 56 Reply 24, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2624 times:
Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 31): Which is just a long way of saying that the moment that President Bush dissolves the Galactic Senate, I will be instantly convinced of the truth of Chavez's comments... but not before.
Well, he did say that the UN was useless....
7 billion, one nation, imagination...it's a beautiful day
25 Doona: Well, he has a point there... some of you culture is repulsive, I'm thinking white-trash pop stars, country music, your export of MTV, etc. Enough to
26 Banco: It's always the case with the pre-eminent power. Britain exported its culture around the world a couple of hundred years ago, the Spanish before that
27 Rolfen: HAHA Too much starwars Luke Chavez, the force you will use to defeat Darth Bush, but first, a rebel base you will need.
28 JCS17: There are rumors abound of Hugo needing psychological supervision in his earlier days, and today, the rumor is that the guy is so loaded up on anti-ps
29 Mrmeangenes: Hey Luis: I don't like to change the subject away from "Our Hero Hugo", but have you - or anyone heard how things are going in Chile ? A neighbor's ki
30 Slider: *cough, CITGO, cough* Yeah- it would be a real shame if he had an "accident" or something. Just sayin.
31 Cfalk: Chavez has obviously read Mein Kampf. Provide the people someone to blame for all their woes, someone to hate, and you can not only stay in power but
32 Banco: Cue females losing their temper right across the world upon reading that...
33 AerospaceFan: Now all we need is Jar-Jar. Seriously, though -- I meant the Galactic Senate itself, not the UN. (As you would agree, since the Galactic Senate is fi
34 Mir: For this episode of "World Wars", the part of Jar-Jar Binks will be played by Hugo Chavez: Nothing he says ever makes sense and he's a pain in the as
35 AerospaceFan: All right. So at any rate, it doesn't exist today.
36 Babybus: The guy is talking out his backside. What "Empire" is he talking about?
37 Mir: Obviously not, since it got dissolved. Jeez. It's the New Republic Senate now. -Mir
38 MigFan: Watch out for world leaders that wear berets...
39 Mdsh00: Actually when I was there about 6 months ago, I found the people very pleasant and freindly, even when they knew my friends and I were American. That
40 AerospaceFan: [Off topic]And interns that wear them, too. Especially if they're named Monica.[/Off topic] Seriously, though -- berets and sunglasses: It seems that
41 Cfalk: Don't get your panties in a knot. The guy who said it has been dead 60 years. "The people in their overwhelming majority are so feminine by nature an
42 Bushpilot: Firstly Chavez is a quack job, this is nothing new, but just a new chapter of mindless rhetoric, but I will reply to a few things that were written. T
43 Cfalk: Give me some examples. These facile statements get on my nerves. I keep hearing stuff like Bush scaring people into supporting him, but I have not se
44 DeltaDC9: Being willing to allow a sworn enemy of the US to install nuclear missiles aimed at US soil so close we could not respond was not something time will
45 Cedars747: November 06 ,2001 president Bush said :"There was no room for neutrality,you are either with us or against us" Alex!!!
46 AndesSMF: So you complain when Bush says it and then justify Chavez because Bush said something similar? Did I get that right?
47 Bushpilot: Well how about putting bird flu prevention under the guise of DHS instead of the CDC. Terror warning levels, keeping Americans safe by invading Iraq,
48 Banco: 'Twas irony, old boy. I'm well aware of who said it. Still, I shouldn't be surprised that irony goes right over your head as an American, should I?
49 Cfalk: How is that fearmongering? If this makes more afraid of bird flu, I suggest therapy. Maybe, just maybe, DHS was given leadership of the project becau
50 Cedars747: Oops ! What was the problem ? Alex!!!
51 Bushpilot: Cfalk, thanks for the reply, I am going to reply to a few things you said, and leave it at that, if youd like to debate more in the future send me an
52 L-188: They must be worried about those three emperor geese the feds say are left outside zoos.
53 Turbo7x7: It's all about the oil$$. The more crazy the things he says and does, the more "uncertainty" is factored into the oil markets, thus keeping prices up.
54 Derico: You serious Mrneangenes? Chile is politically more stable than the United States. Not every part of Latin America is obsessed with the US. Not to hur
55 AerospaceFan: That may be so, but I think that there are certain exceptions. For example, the messages you post here exist, in historical terms, only because of la
56 Dougloid: I heard about the Southern Cone....that's where all the Southern Cone Heads come from.
57 AerospaceFan: LOL. I thought Cone Heads came from France? :Sudden realization: So, that's where France is!
58 Jaysit: If Hugo Chavez tries to destroy America, we will let loose our killer FEMBOTs against him. Yes, indeed, we will send killer FEMBOTs, Jessica Simpson,