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Should I Buy A Saab 900 2.0 Turbo?  
User currently offlineUTA_flyinghigh From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 6495 posts, RR: 51
Posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3866 times:

So it appears that yesterday I test-drove a 97 5-door Saab 900 2.0 Turbo belonging to a coworker who wishes to dispose of it for 1800 Euro.



It has 183.000 km (gulp) but is in very good condition, both inside/outside, has the service book in order and drives very well (until we arrived to a red light where there was a Garda Mondeo Big grin )

So should I get it or not ?

UTA  checkeredflag 


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User currently offline707CMF From France, joined Mar 2002, 4885 posts, RR: 30
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3864 times:

Get it. Put some housses on the seats. Perfect car to be trash by the small UTA who is going to invade your life at the end of the year.

Cheers,

707


User currently offlineUTA_flyinghigh From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 6495 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3857 times:

Quoting 707CMF (Reply 1):
Perfect car to be trash by the small UTA who is going to invade your life at the end of the year.

Justement ! A Twingo and a Clio are not very much suited for a family-car workload  Wink

UTA  checkeredflag 



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User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 54
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3857 times:

Saabs do have a reputation for going on forever, so the high mileage shouldn't be a problem in itself. You do need to check out the condition of the key mechanicals, such as the turbo, clutch, timing chain and so forth as these items can cost a fortune to replace, and on a car of this price it simply wouldn't be worth it.

It's worth having a look at Honest John's website below, and go through the selection details for the Saab 900:

http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/index.php?url=/carbycar/index.htm



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User currently offlineLOT767-300ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3854 times:

I would not buy a car with a Turbo that is used.

I would venture out to say, that the majority of people dont know that a turbo needs 20-30 seconds for it to cool down and respool....changing your turbo's is an expensive deal. My good friend replaced his Audi S4's (Twin Turbo) for $7000, however his was still under warranty.


User currently offline707CMF From France, joined Mar 2002, 4885 posts, RR: 30
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3853 times:

Quoting UTA_flyinghigh (Reply 2):
Justement ! A Twingo and a Clio are not very much suited for a family-car workload Wink

A Twingo...

Ever try to fit a pram in the trunk of a Twingo ? (I know, Twingo and trunk should not be in the same sentence).

A Clio... Maybe. But only if it is the 5 doors model. Fitting the truc/truquette in the backseat from the front doors is just a PITA (and I am not talking about a middle eastern bread).

Indeed, just for that go for the Saab

Cheers,

707

[Edited 2006-06-02 09:43:08]

User currently offlineLOT767-300ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3847 times:

You can get a Kangoo...or better yet Berlingo.

I cant believe you lot in Europe sometimes call them "delivery trucks"


User currently offlineJafa39 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3842 times:

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 4):
I would not buy a car with a Turbo that is used

There is an easy test for a turbo, nail the bastard through the gears, if it doesn't puff smoke as the turbo kicks in it is fine, if it doesn't whine excessively it is also fine, if it does both it will be stuffed but there are plenty of independant SAAB specialist about who will save you heaps of Euros.

Quoting UTA_flyinghigh (Thread starter):
So should I get it or not ?

Yes!!!

These are almost bullet-proof, Timing chains almost never give trouble and if they do they can be replaced by a SAAB specialist (not main dealer) without an engine strip-down.

Early 900's had a clutch that could be changed from the top of the engine with the gearbox in place, not sure about the newer ones, worth asking your local SAAB geeks.

If its the 16 valve you may find changing the starter motor to be a horrible experience but they last well.

I have had a few SAABs in my time and cannot praise them highly enough, should get 500,000kms out of it if you are nice to it and only use expensive oil, you can buy a turbo timer if you're worried about spool-down, it keeps the enigne running for 30 secs after you take the key out.

Buy it and enjoy it  Wink


User currently offlineTS-IOR From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 3410 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3821 times:

I recommend a Saab SF340  Wink

User currently offlineEmrecan From Turkey, joined Feb 2000, 930 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3816 times:

It is a great car. If it is really in good condition as yuo said dont miss it...

The technology they used for the "glass-holder" on the dashboard is enough to buy a SAAB Big grin


User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2315 posts, RR: 21
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3807 times:

Why buy such a slow Saab? Buy a Saab Aero X  Wink

 Big grin


User currently offlineGo3Team From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3266 posts, RR: 17
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3786 times:

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 10):
Buy a Saab Aero X

Too bad they aren't available. Hopefully in the future.



Yay Pudding!
User currently offlineKay From France, joined Mar 2002, 1884 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3782 times:

cheap!

Good deal. But if the turbo fails, that's where the money you're hoping to save will go. So there is a risk.

Kay


User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2315 posts, RR: 21
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3779 times:

Quoting Go3Team (Reply 11):

Too bad they aren't available. Hopefully in the future.

Yeah! I think that it would sell like hot cakes! If I had the money I would buy it, thats for sure!


User currently offlineJafa39 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3753 times:

Quoting Kay (Reply 12):
But if the turbo fails,

Much rarer occurence than you'd think and provided you aren't daft enough to go to SAAB to fix it, it won't break the bank.

A Turbo is very primitive and will last forever unless you abuse it (don't change the oil, rev it and then switch it off) they die fairly quickly if abused and so it isn't often they give trouble if working fine on purchase.


User currently offlineBestwestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 6953 posts, RR: 57
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3732 times:

Cheap car... expensive extras...

I had a volvo S40 2.0T, which was an excellent car... I overlooked the excess loading our friends in the insurance industry give for such powerful cars...

Dont forget the tax on 2.0l cars in Ireland is also moronic.



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User currently offlineRabenschlag From Germany, joined Oct 2000, 1005 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3725 times:

Now I have to comment:

Saabs had a reputation to be very sturdy cars. That might have been true for a long time, but things went downhill after GM bought SAAB.

* The MY 1994 and 1995 SAAB 900's generally have a horrible reputation. It was the first try of the GM SAAB marriage, and apparently the groom was not very talented.
* In newer models (past 1994-2003) the DI box (a specific ignition system made by SAAB) is expected to break every 50.000 - 100.000 km.
* Some engines made before 2003 suffer from a horrible engineering error. The catalytic converter is too close to the thingy that holds the oil (whats the word again). As a consequence, oil tends to overheat, to coke, and finally to kill the engine. I know for sure that this is an issue with 2.3 turbo engines, but it might also be the case for some 2.0 turbos. The only thing that helps here is very frequent oil changes. If coke/coal already developped, you have to deassemble the engine and clean it up.
* cylinder head gaskets tend to blow quite frequently in SAAB turbo engines. I am a frequent visitor of various SAAB forums. If the gasket needs replacement at around 100.000, nobody wonders.
* Although turbos are quite simple in construction, they are less easy to handly in cars. The high speed spinning presupposes perfect lubrication. High speeds at low temps can easily ruin the turbo. Letting it cool down is not necessary anymore (AFAIK), because todays turbos are watercooled and do not reach the very high temps the older one's tended to reach making the cool-down necessary to prevent boiling oil in the turbo.

I know a number of people who have bought pre 1998 900's and sunk big money. From all I know, this is an enthusiasts car, not a cheap workhorse.

Definately, the reputation that SAABS are reliable stems from the time before 1993. It may be re-established. Apparently, things improved since 2003 or so.

GM had (and still has) a very strange handling of SAAB. It looked (and looks) as if the planned to squeeze and then dispose the brand. They plan to build the next 9-3 in Germany and use the Swedish factory to produce Cadillacs. They raped SAAB with the 9-2 and the Trailblazer SAAB. They killed the five door 9-3 and the combi coupe. And, most importantly, had no focus on quality engineering and production during the first years of the marriage.

It's a sad story, I believe. And then look at Ford and how they handled Volvo.

Cheers, r.


User currently offlineLiedetectors From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 360 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3697 times:

Quoting UTA_flyinghigh (Thread starter):
I test-drove a 97 5-door Saab 900 2.0 Turbo

If i recall the late model 900s had some reliability issues. You stated your looking at a 1997 900s, go look at the '99 9-3s instead, so thus i would have to pass on the 900, the mileage alone would deter me. We have a '99 9-5 and its great. if you can find one, go get a 9-3 Viggen 2-door. it has a suped up engine and a racier interior.



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User currently offlineSudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 3677 times:

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 4):
would venture out to say, that the majority of people dont know that a turbo needs 20-30 seconds for it to cool down and respool

That is not totally correct as it depends on how you have driven the turbo before you turn off the engine. And also if you have a oil or water cooled turbo.

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Sudden



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