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25 Years Of HIV/AIDS  
User currently offlineGreasespot From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 3086 posts, RR: 20
Posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1834 times:

Well hard to believe that we are marking the 25th aniversary of AIDS.

I know some gay men who went through the worst of it in the 80's and for some reason did not contract it, not that they were doing anyhting different than their friends. As a result they are almost suffering some kind of survivors guilt.

I know for one AIDS has touched my life in ways that cannot be imagined. I have seen good riends succumb to it and while not actually witnessing their death i have watched them waste away.

Here is a question. Since Aids stated as a gay disease do you think that gay rights are further ahead due to them having to step into the limelight and deal with this when the rest of the coutry thought "if you are not gay you will not get AIDS", or becasue of the fear and hysteria they are farther behind?

Interestingly enough there are now more women HIV positive yet ask most people and they think that it is still a gay disease.

GS

BTW where have the good STD posters gone. I remember seeing a poster growing up of a AIDS patiant wasting away saying if you have unprotected sex you will die....Now the youth think of it as some kind of chronic disease you take a pill for.


Sometimes all you can do is look them in the eye and ask " how much did your mom drink when she was pregnant with you?"
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User currently offlineAleksandar From Serbia, joined Jul 2000, 3236 posts, RR: 32
Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1827 times:

Quoting Greasespot (Thread starter):
Well hard to believe that we are marking the 25th aniversary of AIDS.

Time really flies. I remember those day when I was a kid and how nobody took it too seriously at first.

Quoting Greasespot (Thread starter):
Interestingly enough there are now more women HIV positive yet ask most people and they think that it is still a gay disease.

Well, I guess it is because the first victims of the disease were gay and also because so many gay celebrities died of it. Of course, it has nothing to do with the reality but things like that follow every major disease. Just have in mind the reaction to leprosy, for example.



R-E-S-P-E-C-T
User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20822 posts, RR: 62
Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1824 times:

Quoting Greasespot (Thread starter):
I know some gay men who went through the worst of it in the 80's and for some reason did not contract it, not that they were doing anyhting different than their friends.

I don't know if I agree with this wholeheartedly, as there seemed to be a trend for a while, but that's entirely subjective.

Quoting Greasespot (Thread starter):
As a result they are almost suffering some kind of survivors guilt.

I have no survivor's guilt, and I lived through the worst of it. I am glad the nearly weekly funerals subsided long ago, though. I also don't think I'm better than anyone for remaining negative all these years, and I've a nearly unlimited capacity for compassion and support for those who must deal with being positive.

Quoting Greasespot (Thread starter):
Here is a question. Since Aids stated as a gay disease do you think that gay rights are further ahead due to them having to step into the limelight and deal with this when the rest of the coutry thought "if you are not gay you will not get AIDS", or becasue of the fear and hysteria they are farther behind?

I don't believe it can be correlated. The gay rights movement began in the late 60's, and has continued to move forward in an unbroken stride, despite occasional setbacks such as laws prohibiting gay marriages.

[Edited 2006-06-04 23:28:03]


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User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1800 times:

There are some excellent observations in today's New York Times.



http://www.nytimes.com/pages/opinion/index.html


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20822 posts, RR: 62
Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1793 times:

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 3):
There are some excellent observations in today's New York Times.

There are, but I think this statement in Jonathan Rauch's piece is hogwash:

"Would straight America have been as willing to consider gay marriage if not for AIDS? Impossible. In gay cultural history, marriage is to AIDS much as Israel is to the Holocaust in Jewish cultural history. It offers a safer shore, a better life, and a promise: never again."

Show me the hoards of straight Americans who had to stand there watching their partner's family take over their dying lover's medical and personal affairs as if they didn't exist. No, it's an evolving society that brought it about. No straight person could even fathom what some of gay America has been through.



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User currently offlineSearpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4344 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1754 times:

I came out just as AIDS did, and like everyone else, didn't really understand it at first. The realization that those first few friends who got mysteriously sick and wasted away was earth shattering. I was the exact demographic, and my basic assumption was that I was next. I don't know why my best buddy and running partner got sick and I didn't, but I don't feel any guilt about it. I do feel a great sense of loss, and at the same time I feel lucky, and I'm thankful. I get angry when I look at the young men and women today and they don't seem to understand what this disease has cost us, and just how much they are risking when they don't take the proper precautions.

I do think that the disease has brought the community together in the way that only a joint crisis can. Yes, the campaign for Gay Rights was already underway, but with out the dire need to organize for our lives, I don't think we'd be where we are today. But I agree with you Westy, the third essay was pure tripe. Other than the general advancement of rights caused by the community coalescing around AIDS, Gay Marriage and AIDS have little in common.

On a related note, at 8P, I'm heading up to the Castro for a candle-light vigil/memorial for those lost. They've done a beautiful and touching installation at 18th & Castro where people have been leaving notes and remembrances about what the last 25 years have meant to them. It's very moving, and often difficult, to read some of them.



"The two most common elements in the universe are Hydrogen and stupidity"
User currently offlineGreasespot From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 3086 posts, RR: 20
Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1741 times:

One of the best memorials is the Aids memorial in Toronto. They put all the names of people who died from AIDS each year.

In the early years there was one or two...then 20 then a whole wall.......then back to 20 names...then back to two......Very moving....I try and go by when i am in Toronto. Becasue i am not a gay male i cannot really understand what they went through but I do remember seeing the fear...And fear of the straight community had towards the Gay community...

GS



Sometimes all you can do is look them in the eye and ask " how much did your mom drink when she was pregnant with you?"
User currently offlineMBMBOS From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2615 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1736 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 2):
I don't know if I agree with this wholeheartedly, as there seemed to be a trend for a while, but that's entirely subjective.

Actually, there are some who are immune to HIV. They have a rare gene - the same gene that creates immunity against bubonic/pneumonic plauge but for different reasons - that prevents the HIV virus from getting a stronghold.

Researchers have yet to find a way to harnass this unique gene, but efforts with gene therapy continue.

- MBM


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20822 posts, RR: 62
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1730 times:

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 5):
Yes, the campaign for Gay Rights was already underway, but with out the dire need to organize for our lives, I don't think we'd be where we are today.

That may very well be true for a lot of people, and I don't want to take that away from them.

I have a somewhat different perspective, having been in San Francisco during the Mayor of Castro Street days, and living in West Hollywood near the time of the birth of what some of us called America's First Gay City.

How long ago this all was, but seems like just yesterday:

http://www.time.com/time/time100/heroes/profile/milk01.html

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 5):
On a related note, at 8P, I'm heading up to the Castro for a candle-light vigil/memorial for those lost.

I wish I could have made that.  candle 



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User currently offlineSearpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4344 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1726 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 8):
I have a somewhat different perspective, having been in San Francisco during the Mayor of Castro Street days, and living in West Hollywood near the time of the birth of what some of us called America's First Gay City.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not taking away from what was already underway and what had been accomplished. I just think the crisis brought us together and gave us a national voice, magnifying what was already being done at the local level.

I'll let you know how the vigil was.



"The two most common elements in the universe are Hydrogen and stupidity"
User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20822 posts, RR: 62
Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1721 times:

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 9):
Don't get me wrong, I'm not taking away from what was already underway and what had been accomplished.

Oh not at all. We all added to it and got something from it differently, and that's okay. Where we are today is better than where we were, and that's the most important thing.

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 9):
I'll let you know how the vigil was.

Please do.  thumbsup 



International Homo of Mystery
User currently offlineCairo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1693 times:

Of course I am sorry about everyone who has suffered from AIDS.

If you really care about this issue, I hope you will re-consider the conventional wisdom about AIDS, especially that it is spread via HIV primarily through bodily fluid contact. It is pssible that HIV is merely co-appearing in AIDS and not the cause.

IF AIDS were caused by HIV transmission in the way described by conventional wisdom, AIDS would have become a true epidemic. It hasn't. AIDS would have decimated the hetero community - in fact AIDS is very rare in the hetero community. What is happening in Africa is not AIDS, it is giving the name AIDS to the same dieseases they've always had.*

AIDS is and always has been primarily a diesase of gay men. This disease is not politically correct: it doesn't attack all sexual orientations and lifestyles equally, it attacks primarily homosexual men. Once you are tested as HIV positive, the cytotoxic cocktail they put you on is guaranteed to kill your immune system and get you AIDS - in a self serving pattern that serves the pharmaceutical companies.

I believe the explanation lies elsewhere besides what is commonly portrayed. I hope those of you who desperately want AIDS not to be categorized as a gay disease will put down this wish and consider the points of the scientists I quote below.

Cairo


overview:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIDS_reappraisal

*Nobel prize winning scientists, a top Cal-Berkely chemist, and many other top researchers agree, what is in Africa is not AIDS.
http://www.duesberg.com/

other general information
http://www.virusmyth.net/aids/


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20822 posts, RR: 62
Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1691 times:

Quoting Cairo (Reply 11):
AIDS is and always has been primarily a diesase of gay men. This disease is not politically correct: it doesn't attack all sexual orientations and lifestyles equally, it attacks primarily homosexual men.

While I respect that everyone is entitled to their views, I will simply state that I am in disagreement with the conclusions of your post, and find it disappointing to read in a thread that has up to this point been respectful for those, both alive and passed, who have dealt with this disease.



International Homo of Mystery
User currently offlineSearpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4344 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1679 times:

Quoting Cairo (Reply 11):
I believe the explanation lies elsewhere besides what is commonly portrayed. I hope those of you who desperately want AIDS not to be categorized as a gay disease will put down this wish and consider the points of the scientists I quote below.

I will second Westy and say that while you're entitled to your opinion, this wasn't the place to voice it.



"The two most common elements in the universe are Hydrogen and stupidity"
User currently offlineCairo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1676 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 12):
find it disappointing to read in a thread that has up to this point been respectful for those, both alive and passed, who have dealt with this disease.



Quoting Searpqx (Reply 13):
I will second Westy and say that while you're entitled to your opinion, this wasn't the place to voice it

Well, I appreciate both of you keeping it civil, however, I think that the best thing to do in remembering the victims of AIDS is to do everything you can to end its reign on earth...and for me that means questioning the conventional beliefs that are not in agreement with Nobel prize winning scientists.

Anyway, I'll respect your wishes and refrain from mentioning this matter further on this thread.

Cairo


User currently offlineWe're Nuts From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5722 posts, RR: 19
Reply 15, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1669 times:

Quoting Cairo (Reply 11):
It is pssible that HIV is merely co-appearing in AIDS and not the cause.

Are you stoned? The HIV virus kills immune system cells exclusively, and AIDS is the name we give a severe lack of immune system cells. It couldn't possibly be more clear.



Dear moderators: No.
User currently offlineJohnboy From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 2601 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1663 times:

Damn, I had 13 CD4 cells in January and now that i'm on Sustiva and Truvada, i'm up to 106.

Pardon me if I roll my eyes just a bit at the "conclusions" you espouse.

John
(who is trying hard to be civil, but is right on the edge)


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20822 posts, RR: 62
Reply 17, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1660 times:

Quoting Johnboy (Reply 16):
i'm up to 106.

A piece of good news to hear tonight. Congrats, and hope it all continues well for you!

Quoting Johnboy (Reply 16):
(who is trying hard to be civil, but is right on the edge)

There are many of us teetering on that last rock on the cliff that prevents us from going over, and hoping it doesn't give way.  Wink



International Homo of Mystery
User currently offlineGreasespot From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 3086 posts, RR: 20
Reply 18, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1632 times:

Quoting Cairo (Reply 11):
AIDS is and always has been primarily a diesase of gay men. This disease is not politically correct: it doesn't attack all sexual orientations and lifestyles equally, it attacks primarily homosexual men

Ummmm the largest group of HIV+ now world wide is women......It is a Hetro disease..

I do not have a link but was reading yesterday that the largest group in North America HIV+ is again women....again a hetero problem....

GS



Sometimes all you can do is look them in the eye and ask " how much did your mom drink when she was pregnant with you?"
User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1631 times:

Quoting Cairo (Reply 11):
Of course I am sorry about everyone who has suffered from AIDS.

If you really care about this issue, I hope you will re-consider the conventional wisdom about AIDS, especially that it is spread via HIV primarily through bodily fluid contact. It is pssible that HIV is merely co-appearing in AIDS and not the cause.

I know that I am not going to win this debate with you, because with any conspiracy theorist, facts are useless. I give you this information only, and hope that you will read it, but please don't give me any point by point analysis.

What you are describing is a very common concept throughout your region of the world. I find it very disturbing.

"Deadly Quackery

By JOHN MOORE and NICOLI NATTRASS
Published: June 4, 2006
H.I.V. causes AIDS. This is not a controversial claim but an established fact, based on more than 20 years of solid science. It is as certain as the descent of humans from apes and the falling of dropped objects to the ground.

So why reiterate the obvious? Because lately, a bizarre theory has gained ground — one that claims that H.I.V. is harmless, and that the antiretroviral drugs that curb the growth of the virus cause rather than treat AIDS. Such talk sounds to most of us like quackery, but the theory has emerged as a genuine menace to public health in the United States and, particularly, in South Africa.

The theory, which we call AIDS denialism, has gained such currency with President Thabo Mbeki of South Africa that his administration is reluctant to expand access to antiretroviral drugs. Despite generous allocations from the country's Treasury and substantial assistance from foreign donors, only a quarter of those needing antiretrovirals receive them. This response is poor by the standards of middle-income countries, but it is especially troublesome in South Africa, which has more H.I.V.-positive people than any other country."

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/04/op...Op%2dEd%2fContributors&oref=slogin

I will provide one link


User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6924 posts, RR: 34
Reply 20, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1583 times:

Quoting Greasespot (Reply 18):
Ummmm the largest group of HIV+ now world wide is women......It is a Hetro disease..

I do not have a link but was reading yesterday that the largest group in North America HIV+ is again women....again a hetero problem....

http://www.avert.org/statindx.htm
http://www.avert.org/womstata.htm


People living with AIDS
At the end of 2004, the CDC estimates that 415,193 people were living with AIDS in the USA.1

Of these,

35% were white
43% were black
20% were Hispanic
1% were of other race/ethnicity.
Of the adults and adolescents2 with AIDS, 77% were men. Of these men,

58% were men who had sex with men (MSM)
21% were injection drug users (IDU)
11% were exposed through heterosexual contact
8% were both MSM and IDU.
Of the 93,566 adult and adolescent women with AIDS,

64% were exposed through heterosexual contact
34% were exposed through injection drug use.
An estimated 3,927 children were living with AIDS at the end of 2004, of whom 97% probably acquired the infection from their mothers.

People with AIDS are surviving longer and are contributing to a steady increase in the number of people living with AIDS. This trend will continue as long as the number of new diagnoses exceeds the number of people dying each year.



********************************


User currently offlineJohnboy From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 2601 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1571 times:

Oh and my viral load was up to 303,000 and is now undetectable.

But it doesn't exist in the first place i guess.


User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1553 times:

Cairo:

I thought you might enjoy this.

Rules for Debating with "Alt-med" Believers


For those about to engage in the (futile) attempt to debate believers in "alt-med," be prepared to enter a place where
logic and reason have no meaning - and where the rules for debate are not the same for both sides.

"Alt-med" believers usually feel that they are in a privileged position when it comes to debate. Being in possession of a
"revealed truth", they tend to feel that anyone who does not share their beliefs is obliged to defend their skepticism. This
is expressed as a set of (until now) unwritten rules of debate that place the skeptic and rationalist in an inferior position.

As with the lottery, this should be done for entertainment only - you have about the same chance of changing a "true
believer's" mind as you have of winning the lottery. That said, it CAN be fun, if you have the right attitude and know the
rules.



1] The experts you quote are corrupt, short-sighted, narrow-minded reactionaries. The experts they quote are altruistic,
visionary, open-minded progressives.

[2] In "alt-med", everyone is a victim - of corrupt doctors, polluting corporations, government conspiracies, etc. Their
disorders are never caused by their own lifestyle choices (e.g. overeating, too little exercise, drinking too much, etc.),
genetics or random chance. And their symptoms are most definitely NOT psychosomatic or imaginary. To even imply
otherwise is a serious breach of etiquette.

[3] Suffering from a disorder, or having a family member (e.g. parent, spouse, etc.) that suffers from a disorder makes
you an unimpeachable expert on that disorder. Any lack of formal education, training or expertise is more than
compensated by intimate knowledge as a sufferer or "co-sufferer".

[4] Scientific method is merely a ploy to keep the truth of "alt-med" hidden so that corrupt doctors and "Big Pharma"
(pharmaceutical corporations) can continue to profit from human misery. This is no different from the oil companies and
auto manufacturers that have hidden the secret of cars that run on water or get 2000 miles to the gallon of gasoline.

[5] Peer-reviewed scientific journals are part of a massive conspiracy to suppress "alt-med". Forcing "alt-med"
practitioners to show their data is categorically unfair - they are much too busy saving lives to be bothered with proving
what they already know is true.

[6] No matter how outrageous their claim is, it is true unless you can prove it false.

[7] You can never prove any "alt-med" claim false because you are "biased" (i.e. you don't already believe them). Only a
person who is "open-minded" (see below) can evaluate their claims in a fair and impartial manner.

[8] "Open-minded" means "willing to permanently suspend disbelief." If you insist on holding on to your old, outmoded
ideas (such as chemistry, biology, physics, anatomy, physiology or even simple logic), you will be blind to their new truth.

[9] Their anecdotes and testimonials are equivalent to (if not superior to) your data. After all, everybody knows that data
can be faked (and that people never, ever lie).

[10] The fact that doctors, hospitals and pharmaceutical companies make money is proof that they are all evil, corrupt
and will do anything for a buck (US dollar). When "alt-med" practitioners make money, they are just getting what they
deserve for "helping" so many people.

[11] "Tolerance", for you, means swallowing their line of "reasoning" without complaint (or gagging). For them, "tolerance"
means letting you get in a few words when they take a breath. You'll know that the debate is over when they call you a
"nazi" (or similar epithet) - it's just their little way of showing tolerance for other points of view.

[12] You can't convince them, so don't try to - just enjoy the game. The "alt-med" believers desperately want to be taken
seriously, so don't get defensive - it just gives them credibility in the eyes of the public. Try laughing instead. There will
probably be other people listening that may see the logic in your reasoning, so your efforts are not in vain.

http://www.geocities.com/healthbase/altmed_debate_laidler.html


User currently offlineUAL747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1540 times:

If you want to go even further on your statistics, men who are the receivers of anal intercourse are much more likely to contract the disease than those who aren't. The inner linings of anal cavity are extremely fragile and can tear very easily, leaving an open wound so that when ejaculation occurs, or pre-semenal fluid excretes itself from the top partner, the HIV disease has a direct path into the blood stream.

From all the HIV counselors I've talked with, they all stress that HIV is actually a difficult disease to contract. Not that I'm saying that you shouldn't use protection, because abstinence and protection are the only ways you have to defend yourself, but certain conditions have to be just right for another person to contract it.

Now, about the disease being a gay disease. It really isn't. Anyone can get it. However, I do think MEN (gay or straight) are much more promiscuous than women. If you look at any mammal species, male members of that species often spread their genetic material to as many female receptors as they can for breeding purposes. It's genetically charged into the brain of the male to want and need sex. Males think about sex constantly, especially at younger ages, thus if the opportunity rises, they are more likely to have sex than women (my theory at least, and some on discovery channel, but I digress).

I don't care whether you are gay or straight, men are men, and most likely more promiscuous given the opportunity than women. So in the gay world, you have sexually supercharged men hanging out with other sexually supercharged men, who happen to both like men, thus the opportunity for sex in the gay community is much greater than in the heterosexual community.

Terming AIDS as a gay disease is something my grandmother thinks. Not something that a modern, educated person should believe. If women can get it from men and vice versa , then how can it be exclusively a gay disease?

Religious zealots often use the issue of AIDS and HIV to further their agenda against the gay population. But then again, they used to justify slavery in their churches, so I don't give them much credit. However, some people do, which is what the problem is.

The most stark statistic of HIV is that cases of it are growing exponentially in ages 13-21. Now, if you want to follow the abstinence trail, good luck, but you aren't going to keep kids from having sex, and pretending they won't, only hurts them. Educate them, tell them how to protect themselves should they have sex, and of course let them know that abstinence is the only way to be SURE you don't get it. Condoms fail, etc., but don't expect them not to have sex, because they are and statistics drastically show it.

Oh yeah, and keep a good porn stash for those times you think you want to have sex, but know you shouldn't! LOLOLOL  Wink


UAL

[Edited 2006-06-05 22:29:46]

User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20822 posts, RR: 62
Reply 24, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1536 times:

Quoting UAL747 (Reply 23):
men who are the receivers of anal intercourse are much more likely to contract the disease than those who aren't.

There's also the issue of if the top is cut or not, and I know there are a lot of statistics in regards to this, but none of them totally conclusive that I know of.



International Homo of Mystery
25 UAL747 : So am I to be under the assumption that men who are circumcised are more likely to contract the disease or the opposite? I really don't see how this
26 AeroWesty : There have been studies that suggest that the tissue in the foreskin is just as susceptible to absorbing HIV as anal tissue. I would really have to g
27 We're Nuts : Foreskin can absorb the virus more easily, but in places were hygiene isn't an issue this makes no difference and even in less civilized nations the
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