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User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2577 times:

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3258613,00.html

Following warnings by extremist Islamic group al-Muhajiroun, in which the group said that the red cross in the England flag symbolizes the 'blood thirsty crusaders' and the occupation of Muslims, some of the largest companies in England have ordered their workers not to wave the flags.

Any Brits have thoughts on this???

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User currently offlineDaleaholic From UK - England, joined Oct 2005, 3208 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2560 times:

Quoting RJpieces (Thread starter):
Any Brits have thoughts on this???

Rubbish!
"Blood thirsty crusaders" Ok... Ummm when was the last time you saw a gang of knights in body armour, brandishing swords running after muslims?

These extremists are being pathetic!

Englishmen... Raise your flag!



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User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2560 times:

Quoting RJpieces (Thread starter):
Following warnings by extremist Islamic group al-Muhajiroun, in which the group said that the red cross in the England flag symbolizes the 'blood thirsty crusaders' and the occupation of Muslims, some of the largest companies in England have ordered their workers not to wave the flags.

What nonsense. NTL and the DVLA haven't banned English flags because of threats from al-Muhajiroun. This is sensationalist nonsense, designed to provoke a response.

The paragraphs refering to The Sun's 'campaign' to bring back the cross of St George has nothing to do with the rest of the article.

NTL and the DVLA have banned the flag because they work in multicultural areas, which may be sensitive to the flag. As you might know, the flag has been used for many years by far-right political parties, and even now the sensitivity over it remains. This is merely a prudent steps for companies to take if they don't want to risk public relations problems. That, and they look pretty rubbish...not particularly business like.

It's not a big deal - the flag isn't even the flag of the country for crying out loud. England is not a country.

The entire article is written by a biased tabloid hack with an agenda to push, and I suspect that the poster of the article delights in posting yet another, article claiming to show how Muslims are 'oppresing' the Western world.


User currently offlineCosec59 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2550 times:

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 2):
England is not a country.

I have to take issue with you there 777236ER, England IS a country, as are Wales and Scotland.


User currently offlineIFEMaster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2550 times:

Proud to be English.



User currently offlineCosec59 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2550 times:

Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 4):
Proud to be English.

So why the American flag on your profile?


User currently offlineIFEMaster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2533 times:

Quoting Cosec59 (Reply 5):
So why the American flag on your profile?

It's where I live and have lived for 4 years. Too many people have gotten confused with my location when I've displayed a St. George's flag, so I leave it on the stars and stripes now.


User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2522 times:

Quoting Cosec59 (Reply 3):

I have to take issue with you there 777236ER, England IS a country, as are Wales and Scotland.

Sorry, no. The country you live in is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

It has one currency, one armed forces, no boarder controls between the regions, centralised government for the most part, one Prime Minister, one monarch.

The Treaty of the Union in 1707 combined Scotland with Wales and England, and essentially made the Union, which is the country you live in.

England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are at best home nations, or 'constituent countries', but they are far from being countries in their own right. England doesn't have an army, currency, parliament, monarchy, Prime Minister or transport network, the UK does. The differences between the judicial systems of England and Scotland are based in quirks of the Treaty of the Union, and don't make the two regions separate nations.


User currently offline9VSPO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2510 times:

Quoting RJpieces (Thread starter):
England Afraid To Fly Its Own Flag?

Does it look like it?  Yeah sure



User currently offlineFlyKev From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2006, 1391 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2482 times:
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This is more PC nonsense, infact, its stuff like this which drives people further and further apart.
As a multicultural society, you should be allowed to fly whatever flag you like, be it an England one, an American one, or a Pakistani one. Flags arent a symbol of hate, but a symbol of pride.

Kev.



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User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2478 times:

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 7):
England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are at best home nations, or 'constituent countries', but they are far from being countries in their own right. England doesn't have an army, currency, parliament, monarchy, Prime Minister or transport network, the UK does. The differences between the judicial systems of England and Scotland are based in quirks of the Treaty of the Union, and don't make the two regions separate nations.

Oh, Lord, not this again.  Yeah sure

There is no definitive answer as to what is, or what is not a country. It can be a state of mind as much as anything. By your standards Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia were not countries for 50 years. Between the fall of Saddam and the creation of an interim government, Iraq was not a country etc etc etc. Go and tell them that.

If you mean a "State" in the legal sense (as in, "Head of State" for example), then that is true. "Country" or "nation"? No.



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User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9545 posts, RR: 42
Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2474 times:

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 2):
the flag isn't even the flag of the country for crying out loud. England is not a country.



Quoting 777236ER (Reply 7):
England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are at best home nations, or 'constituent countries', but they are far from being countries in their own right.

It's the flag of the 'constituent country' that they're supporting in the World Cup. Flying the Union Flag would be inappropriate under the circumstances.

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 2):
NTL and the DVLA have banned the flag because they work in multicultural areas, which may be sensitive to the flag.

It's the flag of the (constituent) country they're living in. Seriously, if I moved to the States I wouldn't expect any sympathy if I complained that the Stars and Stripes reminded me of how they "took our colony from us". I'd expect to be told to go home if I didn't like it.


User currently offlineBigOrange From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2375 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2452 times:

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 7):
England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are at best home nations, or 'constituent countries', but they are far from being countries in their own right. England doesn't have an army, currency, parliament, monarchy, Prime Minister or transport network, the UK does.

What BS.

England, Scotland Wales and Northern Ireland are countries which are members of the United Kingdom. Each has their own flag, different regiments of the army belong to different countries and as such, the Welsh guards could fight a war against the Lancashire Fusiliers if the Kingdom was ever broken up.

It's time the country stood up for itself and everyone became more patriotic. Wales, Scotland and Ireland all have their days to celebrate their saint, why shouldn't England celebrate their saint. The government should make it a national holiday.

There is no border control from Portugal right through Europe, and each is a separate country so that argument doesn't stand

[Edited 2006-06-05 19:44:16]

User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13200 posts, RR: 15
Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2429 times:

A similar conterversey has been around for a while in the USA. Some southern states (Georgia, Florida, S. Carolina, Alabama), once part of the Confederate States of America (CSA) during our Civil War era (1861-1865), have state flags that in part include elements of a popular battle flag of the CSA. Often these designs were reinstated during the 1950's by white citizens in objection to the rise of the civil rights movements by Black Americans. To most Black Americans, often the decendants of slaves in those parts of the USA, such flags are deeply offensive to them. As a result, some State government agencies use either alternative state flags or don't fly them at all as they do not want to offend Black citizens.
One can understand the offense of some Islamic persons who see the English flag as a symbol of the Crusades armies of England and elsewhere. Still, it is like a USA State flag, an official flag of England and the UK and it should be proudly shown. I am sure most English persons don't think of their flag as to be offensive to Islam.


User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2429 times:

Quoting Banco (Reply 10):

There is no definitive answer as to what is, or what is not a country.

No, but arguably distinct boarder controls, currency, an armed forces, a Parliament/legislative body and monarchy are generally thought of as making up a country.

Quoting Banco (Reply 10):
By your standards Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia were not countries for 50 years.

That's right.

Quoting Banco (Reply 10):
Go and tell them that.

Go tell people in the Basque regions that they're not an independent country, go tell the Tamil people they're not in an independent country, even go and tell some people in Cornwall they're not a country! Just because people want to their region to be independent doesn't make it so.

Quoting Banco (Reply 10):
If you mean a "State" in the legal sense (as in, "Head of State" for example), then that is true. "Country" or "nation"? No.

A nation is based around a culture. The English culture isn't distinct enough from the Scottish culture to really be classes as separate nations. The multiculturalism in the UK pretty much means that the term 'nation' is useless, unless applied to the UK as a whole.

The term 'country' is made up of the state, and the nations. The state is clearly defined as the UK (the Parliament of the UK is the highest power in the land). I don't think England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland can be classes as nations. They are historically, but there's no real basis for that in modern times.

Quoting BigOrange (Reply 12):
Each has their own flag, different regiments of the army belong to different countries and as such, the Welsh guards could fight a war against the Lancashire Fusiliers if the Kingdom was ever broken up.

They could, but politically and legally they're all controlled from London. Each county has a flag, that doesn't make them countries.

England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland each have a common currency, armed forces, police, parliament, Prime Minister, monarch etc.

Quoting BigOrange (Reply 12):
It's time the country stood up for itself and everyone became more patriotic. Wales, Scotland and Ireland all have their days to celebrate their saint, why shouldn't England celebrate their saint. The government should make it a national holiday.

Why can't people be patriotic about the UK? England has no real separate culture from the other constituent nations. The UK is clearly distinct from other countries. Celebrating England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland is a bit like celebrating the times before the union, a throwback to the war and feuding that set them apart. The union exists, and isn't going anywhere, and the UK is stronger because of it. Can't we celebrate that?


User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 15, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2416 times:

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 14):
No, but arguably distinct boarder controls, currency, an armed forces, a Parliament/legislative body and monarchy are generally thought of as making up a country.

No, not necessarily. All of those things might make up a legal state, but that's not the same. The position of the nations of the UK is virtually unique in the world, where nations have deliberately joined together to form a greater state, yet retained their distinctiveness.

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 14):
A nation is based around a culture. The English culture isn't distinct enough from the Scottish culture to really be classes as separate nations. The multiculturalism in the UK pretty much means that the term 'nation' is useless, unless applied to the UK as a whole.

Actually, you've hit on the crux of the matter here. The English identity is indeed a rather hard one to define. Scotland, Wales and Ireland maintained the separateness from English power throughout the centuries, the English subsumed their nationality in a British one. It was part of an unspoken bargain with the rest of the British Isles. What it ultimately meant is that Scottishness, Welshness and Irishness (of whatever strain) became distinctive and separate to any notion of Britishness. The English on the other hand did not. What you are seeing right now in front of your eyes is a re-assertion of Englishness, somethig that has lain more or less dormant for several hundred years, for better or worse.

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 14):
Why can't people be patriotic about the UK? England has no real separate culture from the other constituent nations. The UK is clearly distinct from other countries. Celebrating England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland is a bit like celebrating the times before the union, a throwback to the war and feuding that set them apart. The union exists, and isn't going anywhere, and the UK is stronger because of it. Can't we celebrate that?

Who said it had to be exclusive? I'll happily cheer a British team at the Olympics, but there's no rule that says it has to be one or the other. Saying it's a throwback is nonsensical, unless you have a circumstance where some lunatic extremist would be saying how much they genuinely (as opposed to the family bickering that goes on all the time) hated the others.

I'm English and British, and happy with both. The idea that anyone would have to choose one or the other is silly and divisive in the extreme, which I would imagine is not what you would wish to encourage.



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User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6924 posts, RR: 34
Reply 16, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2384 times:

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 14):
A nation is based around a culture.

Borders, language and culture, to be more specific and coin the tagline of a certain radio host.


Fly that flag, Brits!


User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2384 times:

Quoting Banco (Reply 15):
I'll happily cheer a British team at the Olympics, but there's no rule that says it has to be one or the other



Quoting Banco (Reply 15):
I'm English and British, and happy with both.

You say this, but then you also (rightly) say:

Quoting Banco (Reply 15):
The English identity is indeed a rather hard one to define. Scotland, Wales and Ireland maintained the separateness from English power throughout the centuries, the English subsumed their nationality in a British one. It was part of an unspoken bargain with the rest of the British Isles.

If Englishness and Britishness are so interchangable, then both can't be defined separately. Although there's a general feeling that the English should celebrate more English things, the vast majority of people in England still think of themselves as Brits, and as British achievements are being associated with the entire union.

For example, Roald Dahl is seen by the English as being British, despite him being Welsh. There's no suggestion that he's anything other than 'ours'.

If the sense of separation between England, Scotland and Wales, then we'd all suffer. Each Brit would lose the culture linked the rest of the union. Is it really a good thing if the relationship between the home nations becomes like that of Spain and Portugal, or China and Taiwan, or France and Britain? That's why I think the sense of Britishness, not Englishness, should be enhanced.


User currently offline808TWA From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 701 posts, RR: 19
Reply 18, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2369 times:

I'm Scottish, British, from the UK, Europe and now I'm Canadian....but not English!

Therefore to fly the English, St. Georges Cross would be incorrect.

However, I can't wait for the World Cup and of course I will be routing for England since neither Scotland nor Canada seem to be able to kick a ball these days.

Raise your flag and hold it high!!!



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User currently offlineAGM100 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 5407 posts, RR: 17
Reply 19, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2355 times:

Quoting RJpieces (Thread starter):
Following warnings by extremist Islamic group al-Muhajiroun,

Yes this is what we can look forward to, I am treveling to London next week and will be sure to purchase one. Should go ahead and put a nice sticker on my cars to.


Lets give them a warning , if we get attacked we round up every muslim and ship them out. Let the proper muslim citezens bring some pressure on them maybe... Not really but it just pisses me off so bad ...
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User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2355 times:

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 19):
if we get attacked we round up every muslim and ship them out

It looks like the article has acomplished what it set out to do.


User currently offlineN229NW From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 1973 posts, RR: 31
Reply 21, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2329 times:

RJpieces,

Don't you EVER get tired of reading incredibly biased news sources and then using them to fuel your paranoid fantasies? Ever?

First: the Sun's campaign is the usual "invent politically correct extremists and exaggerate their activities so you can set them up as straw men" tactic they have been at consistently recently (the same way they and other tabloids have invented stories about "Baa Baa Black Sheep" and "Hot Cross Buns" being banned so they can stir up stupid populism. Meanwhile, the Islamic group that claims the flag represents the crusades has almost nothing to do with this. And they themselves are some whacko fringe group, and do not represent mainstream Islam in the UK.

On the other hand, the reason some Muslims and other minorities have a visceral reaction against the cross of St. George is that in very recent memory it has been used by right-wing extremist groups and hooligans as a white pride symbol. Believe me, as a Jew you also would not like one of those people coming at you using the flag that way, and you might look differently upon it after that.

However, the England flag is much much older than that, and the least divisive solution is in fact what most people do: get on with it. They realize that the flag is old, has been misused as a symbol at times, but can be reclaimed for the moderate majority. Especially during international tournaments, this is the spirit in which most white English people fly their flag, and it is the spirit in which more and more visibly minority citizens also fly the same flag and even drape themselves and their cars and their houses etc. in it. I think this would increasingly be a non-issue if stupid tabloids didn't try continue to stir things up and make a mountain out of every molehill company that has banned the flag for one reason or another including that it might offend some of their clientele...

Your news article link conflates all these issues and filters them into a paragraph or two that completely distorts everything and once again allows you to believe that the Muslims are secretly running Europe and bending things to their will.

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 13):
A similar conterversy has been around for a while in the USA. Some southern states (Georgia, Florida, S. Carolina, Alabama), once part of the Confederate States of America (CSA) during our Civil War era (1861-1865), have state flags that in part include elements of a popular battle flag of the CSA

I don't think the analogy really holds up (though there are definitely many parallels) since the Confederate flag actually came into being as a separatist (and hence pro-slavery) icon, it carries more of this meaning inherently within itself than an older symbol that has been misused at times.

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 20):
It looks like the article has acomplished what it set out to do.

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[Edited 2006-06-05 21:06:53]


It's people like you what cause unrest!
User currently offlineAGM100 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 5407 posts, RR: 17
Reply 22, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2323 times:

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 20):
It looks like the article has acomplished what it set out to do.

Yes I agree with that , it is not really the threat it is the lack of defiance to it. I of course react because it is a issue that is close to me. Are you suggesting that their intent was only retorical ?? Sorry to many bombs going off to think that.

Imagine what would happen if a Christian group in Saudi Arabia protested thier flag emblazened with "There is no god but God Muhammad is the Messenger of God" or whatever it says ..

Guess that would insensitve ...



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User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2314 times:

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 22):
Sorry to many bombs going off to think that.

Four Muslims carried out the July bombings in the UK. There are about 1.6 million Muslims in the UK. If 50 Muslims were involved in total with the bombings, then 99.997% of Muslims in the UK were not involved in the bombings.

Is that really enough to call for the expulsion of all Muslims?


User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2308 times:

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 22):
Imagine what would happen if a Christian group in Saudi Arabia protested thier flag emblazened with "There is no god but God Muhammad is the Messenger of God" or whatever it says ..

That has nothing to do with the UK, though. Saudi Arabia has a state religion, the UK doesn't.


25 Post contains images AGM100 : No of course not, can I just get a little radical myself ?? But some of us think , that if more responsibility was put on the 99.9 % to help it may w
26 RobertNL070 : Funny you should say that. There are 24 Church of England bishops and two archbishops in the House of Lords. One can argue that they are members of t
27 777236ER : But what do you base that on?
28 Highpeaklad : The flag is the flag of St George. He was either Turkish or Palestinian, how many BNP supporters are pleased now? Fly the flag (as BA used to say) Chr
29 Banco : I didn't say they were interchangeable, although there certainly used to be a view to that extent. In fact it is now that they are separated far more
30 AGM100 : Of course their is no official data on this , no one is going to do a article about the percentage of the Muslim population that agrees with AlQada.
31 Srbmod : Same holds true for the Confederate Battle Flag and Navy Jack. As mentioned in Reply 13, several Southern states either currently have or have had th
32 Post contains images L410Turbolet : This is classic PC double standards bs. AFAIK, those "right-wing extremist groups and hooligans" are "are some whacko fringe group, and do not repres
33 Banco : That's just sensationalist tat. No doubt a TV company could go to the US and find people with the same views. To imply (as it appears that the progra
34 Scotty : I haven't even read the rest of this tired thread after these comments. Banco. You are spot on. Englishmen, fly your flag. And the more I hear of thi
35 N229NW : What the hell are you talking about? Double standards? You think I'm advocating changing the England flag? Then you didn't read my post very well. I
36 AGM100 : Not sure about that , New York Times , Frontline are not exactly supportive of the war on terror. And are generally more secular than most outlets. R
37 TheSorcerer : Anyone ever noticed that RJpieces always posts stuff that makes muslims look bad? Dominic
38 Christeljs : Some people choose to have the flag of their nationality whereas some choose from what location they are at the moment!
39 Post contains images Scbriml : Is that actually allowed North of the "border"? Anyone who thinks we're afraid to fly the Cross of St. George only needs to walk down the average Eng
40 Scotty : Its probably a hanging offence. Anyway, I haven't been "south" for a wee while but I hear there are a few flags flying. I am jealous - I wish we were
41 777236ER : I'm not wrapped up in it. This all started because Cosec59 took issue with me saying England isn't a country. It really isn't! I'm not implying that.
42 BMIFlyer : Load of rubbish. I for one think these extremists should all be deported - sooner rather than later...... Exactly - I'm not going to let a bunch of e
43 777236ER : And if they're citizens...?
44 Post contains images David L : No, it started when you said England football fans shouldn't be flying the English flag. So the vast majority in England shouldn't identify themselve
45 Post contains images BMIFlyer : Then we simply use the law to jail them Remember that law we passed not long back? What was it, "Glorification of Terrorism"? Ah yes.... Lee
46 Post contains images YOWza : I say you just wait a couple weeks till England fizzle out of the world cup, as they always do, at which point not flying the flag will be very much t
47 Post contains images BristolFlyer : Which group are Canada in? Or maybe they're staying at home to train to become world champions at ice hockey If we do well what are the reasons you (
48 Jafa39 : Well said Kev! Hmmm, takes a yank to point out to the poms what they should have learnt in school, United Kingdom is made up of united countries, arg
49 Post contains images BristolFlyer : And you'll still be boring BF
50 Post contains images Jafa39 : Yep, but thing is...I don't care!
51 Banco : All media do it. They are seeking a story, not necessarily reality. Never claimed for a moment it was perfect. But overall, it is good.
52 QANTASFOREVER : I believe the UK will one day become a federation in the style of the USA, Canada, and Australia. Any Brits have an opinion on this? QFF
53 Post contains images RobertNL070 : This could be fun. Anybody for ........... ?
54 Post contains images Banco : Ah, QFF, my friend.... It is possible, but the problem with it always has been that it would require a fundamental re-structure of the way the countr
55 QANTASforever : Please don't misunderstand me. I'm not talking about the abolition of the monarchy. The system would involve recognising England, Wales, Scotland, an
56 Post contains images Jafa39 : If your lot ever pull it off, the poms may well ask you to help God save the Queen!!!
57 Banco : But it doesn't. There's no great movement for a federation in this country. It's not even on the radar. In fact the only people that ever talk about
58 777236ER : I didn't say that. I said I understood why the DVLA and NTL said their employees shouldn't be flying it on company vehicles. But there's no common id
59 QANTASforever : But if there was? Would you be up for that? I put it to you that Britain's constitutional stability is a result of the character of those who have ac
60 Post contains images QANTASforever : Canada, Australia, and the US are well ahead of you in New Zealand and in Britain in this regard. I wouldn't be surprised if we were asked for a few
61 Scotty : Not true, The United Kingdom as it currently stands exists as an act of two parliaments, signed in 1707, between that of England and of Scotland. Wal
62 AGM100 : Banco, I would agree with you on this . In comparison to our enemy who is off the scale of intollerance ,the non muslim nations for the most part are
63 Post contains images Jafa39 : You'd probably be the ring leader Traitor! Mother England gave you the freedom to migrate to one of her colonies, fleeing the cold of Iceland and the
64 David L : But you did say... ... which is much more general than saying it shouldn't be flown from company vehicles. No common identity? What about that group
65 777236ER : I was saying the banning of the flag, on companies vehicles, by an entire two companies in the UK, isn't a big deal. A football team hardly makes up
66 QANTASFOREVER : Out of interest, what line do you use with British republicans? Also - I presume you'll abstain from any future republican referendum in New Zealand,
67 Post contains images Jafa39 : Never met one. Depends if I have my citizenship by then but I probably wouldn't be voting for a republic anyway...so i'm not a traitor. No, that's Pr
68 N1120A : Or does it? Scotland prints and mints their own currency, though it is of the same value as England and Wales
69 Post contains images Gkirk : A few? Millions more like Don't worry though, we have snipers at the Border to stop any cars with English flags on entering Scotland.
70 QANTASforever : Ever considered the possibility they avoid you? To the UK maybe. I know you've made your case before, but not really with regards to New Zealand. Why
71 Banco : Why is it that you automatically assume the system you prefer is better. Others might disagree with you, and it is the height of arrogance to simply
72 Post contains images QANTASforever : Gotcha.
73 David L : And I didn't say that - you've got it back to front. What makes a group of people support England? You can pick any club to support but do you believ
74 Post contains images Banco : Nah. Your post didn't, but I will admit that you were supposed to reply in the customary manner and didn't - to which one can only say "Bugger".
75 FDXMECH : He got better?
76 Post contains images Banco : Maybe an inability to cope with angles, thus finding it easier to deal with straight lines and splodges?
77 FlyLondon : They don't print their own currency, it's the same currency - the Pound Sterling. The bank issuing the liability (ie the note) is simply different. B
78 David L : Now, my memory's pretty rusty on this but wasn't the Bank of England £1 note the only note that was legal tender in the UK? I'm pretty sure there we
79 FDXMECH : Tsk, tsk. I actually borrowed it from Monty Python and the Holy Grail. You know, "She turned me into a knute...."
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