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User currently offlineAircraft From France, joined Jan 2007, 0 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1588 times:

Anetters,

Rate your faith in science on a scale of 1 to 10.

10: being the same faith you have in the sun coming up each day.

1: being that you win the lottery tomorrow.

Do you, or do you not believe what scientists have to say as a whole?

I'm hoping to get 30 replies. All I need is a number. Thanks  Smile

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User currently offlineBravo45 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2165 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1584 times:

Oh so you are doing a study...
Well if I think about it, I don't think I'll give more than a 2-3 at the highest. While we all rely on it heavily, we are doing things today that were scientifically impossible some time in the past. Science is important and will continue to improve but I don't think it will ever be perfect, its been wrong in the past, our understanding is still not absolute neither will it ever be.


User currently offline11Bravo From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1718 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1580 times:

I don't have faith in science, I have quantifiable confidence.  Smile

I'll say an 8

BTW, if you are doing this for some kind of school project, you really need to have a random sample and probably a much, much larger sample size.



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User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1580 times:

Short answer: 10

Humans are falible as we have recently discovered with a few scientific frauds as of late BUT other Scientests have proven them wrong so ultimately science doesn't lie. Am I happy about the fact Science doesn't answer EVERYTHING, no. But it answers everything we NEED to know and when it's done well, it's as absolute and irrefutable as a 747 lifting into the sky on a hot summer day.


User currently offlineIAH777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 0 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1574 times:

Hmm...9. I'd say 10, but they keep coming up with tripe like Restless Leg Syndrome and Irritable Kneecap Cancer. Unless, of course, those "scientists" are actually legions of marketing toads. Then, I'd say 10.

User currently offlineBravo45 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2165 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1569 times:

hmm I have more faith in the sun comming up tomorrow than winning a lottery Big grin . That was the standard I used. I am confused now, inclining towards no faith count me in at 8-9 or 2-3 (as mentioned above), whatever applies.

User currently offlineSean1234 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 411 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1558 times:

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 3):

That is completely wrong. There is no absolute truth in science. Science is based on experimentation; to make every possible observation of phenomena is impossible.


User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1553 times:

Quoting Sean1234 (Reply 6):
That is completely wrong. There is no absolute truth in science. Science is based on experimentation; to make every possible observation of phenomena is impossible.

You'd be surprised.


User currently offlineSean1234 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 411 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1553 times:

Surprised about what?

User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1553 times:

Quoting Sean1234 (Reply 6):
There is no absolute truth in science.

 redflag 

Quoting Sean1234 (Reply 6):
Science is based on experimentation; to make every possible observation of phenomena is impossible.

Yes, and there are a LOT of things we are still observing. But I think science has proven as an absolute fact that you can get a 747 into the air.


User currently offlineOli80 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 685 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1545 times:

I believe in the laws of physics.

User currently offlineSean1234 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 411 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1540 times:

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 9):

You are providing an application of science, or you might say an engineered aspect of science, which is different from explaining it. Humans in the past could manipulate fire, but they didn't understand what it was. Humans knew in the past that apples when falling out of trees hit the ground, but they didn't understand why.

You take for granted that the 747 has flown according to Bernoulli, and will continue to fly tomorrow and the next day. Maybe there are millions upon millions of hours flown by aircraft. That is still in the universal scheme a small number of events anyway that we have observed

And no we don't know fundamentally why airplanes fly since we don't understand matter entirely. Take an oxygen atom; its protons are composed of quarks, put what makes these quarks: strings of energy? How does that correspond to the macro world?

[Edited 2006-06-08 09:17:05]

User currently offlineKieron747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1529 times:

I would rate my faith in science as a clear 10, but I would say that, I am a scientist.

Obviously as mentioned above, there is nor absolute truth in science, (is there in anything?) yet science makes the best interpretation of experimental data. If new data is found, the scientific hypothesis may have to be altered.

A good scientist is constantly trying to disprove his own theory, if he can't, and no one else reasonably can, then that theory holds for the time being.

Kieron747


User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1525 times:

Quoting Sean1234 (Reply 11):
You are providing an application of science, or you might say an engineered aspect of science, which is different from explaining it.

I think you missed:

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 3):
But it answers everything we NEED to know


User currently offlineGunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3503 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1520 times:

Isn't the whole point of science that it isn't dependent on faith?


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User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1516 times:

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 14):
Isn't the whole point of science that it isn't dependent on faith?

WTF???

Science is based on observations that are repeatedly proveable. Unless you want to get philosophical on the observations being made in the first place, there is no 'faith' to science.


User currently offlineGunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3503 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1513 times:

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 15):
Science is based on observations that are repeatedly proveable. Unless you want to get philosophical on the observations being made in the first place, there is no 'faith' to science.

I think that's pretty much what I said...read again maybe?



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31679 posts, RR: 56
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1497 times:

7.
Science is good,but I have seen Miracles happen when Medical science has given up.
Maybe one day it'll be a 10.
regds
MEL



Think of the brighter side!
User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1490 times:

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 15):

Science is based on observations that are repeatedly proveable

God, not again. A scientific theory CAN NEVER BE PROVEN! A theory can only be disproven. A theory can essentially be shown to be true, but you can never prove it.

In what way can you have 'faith' in science? 'Science' isn't some bizarre belief that requires faith. All it is is a methodology for explaining what goes on around us. There's bad science as well as good science. So having faith in science is a bit of a tautology.


User currently offlineCanadianNorth From Canada, joined Aug 2002, 3389 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1473 times:

I'm gunna go with a 9. Most scientific things are indeed nothing more than theories, but these days most honest theories end up working pretty damn well so they must have some truth. Example being an airplane... The theories involved with the laws of physics say if we shape a wing just right a plane will fly. So what happened? We shaped some wings just like the theories told us to and before long we have planes weighing thousands of pounds climbing to thousands of feet above the surface of the earth within minutes of taking off. It ain't perfect but we're obviously doing something right here.



CanadianNorth



What could possibly go wrong?
User currently offlineAerobalance From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 4681 posts, RR: 47
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1465 times:

10
I make my living off of science.



"Sing a song, play guitar, make it snappy..."
User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1453 times:

Quoting Sean1234 (Reply 8):
Surprised about what?

Surprised about what all can be observed.


User currently offlineSean1234 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 411 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1451 times:

Can you observe strings of energy?

User currently offlineSean1234 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 411 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1450 times:

TedTAce in your simple mind, no you likely won't have to worry about a plane falling out of the sky because of science. That should be enough for you.

User currently offlineYeahitsK From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1446 times:

8

Quoting Aerobalance (Reply 20):
I make my living off of science

Me too, but Science certainly doesn't answer everything. The ultimate role of science may be to answer the most basic of questions, why is the sky blue, how did we get here. It should be able to explain the world around us, but some of the most simple questions are left unanswered. I therefore do not put complete faith in it.

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 3):
Am I happy about the fact Science doesn't answer EVERYTHING, no. But it answers everything we NEED to know and when it's done well, it's as absolute and irrefutable as a 747 lifting into the sky on a hot summer day.

I've got to disagree with this. Science shouldn't be spoken of as something static and final. Someone 100 years ago could say the same thing before the airplane was invented, that it has provided all the answers they need for their daily life. Further back, the world is flat according to Science, what else do we need to know? What we accept as scientific fact today should stand the test of time to be good Science, but a lot of it won't as new discoveries are made and theories are re-tested against the new evidence. That is the process of Science, and generally speaking we actually know so incredibly little about the world around us. If we can get a grasp and ultimate understanding of quantum physics the world will change in ways we can't fathom today.


25 TRVYYZ : I will give a 10 to science. Science is not magic. It simply shows you what is possible and what is not and to what extent. Don't expect it to answer
26 Post contains images TedTAce : How so? How is our society going to change from consumerisim to something else? Maybe I'm once again being simple about it. But the bottom line is th
27 Post contains links 777236ER : You can't show a theory to be universally true, in every situation. You can prove something mathematically, but you can't prove any scientific theory
28 TedTAce :
29 777236ER : But humans have never observed the Earth throughout its history. Millions of years ago, an apple might not have fallen to earth. Whilst this goes agai
30 808TWA : I believe in science....But ultimately, gravity gets me down
31 Post contains images TedTAce :
32 777236ER : redflag Uh, what?
33 808TWA : Then let us all take flight !
34 DLKAPA : No but 50 years ago black holes weren't observable either. Now, they're known to be all around us.
35 TedTAce : Your argument is about as logical as the bible. Try disproving THIS: Gravitational force = (G * m1 * m2) / (d2)
36 Sean1234 : Your logic is flawed. Because something once before could not be observed and now it can, does not mean other things today beyond human detection will
37 Post contains images Sean1234 : I usually only come to this site for the humorous qualities, this thread hasn't let me down.
38 MD80fanatic : After many years in the natural sciences, I'd have to say 6....perhaps 7. The worst thing you can do in the scientific world is to proclaim the you ar
39 Post contains images Sean1234 : The Einstein Field Equations disprove it. TEdTAce abandon ship before it's too late.
40 Sean1234 : Wait Newton's idea of gravity was an absolute truth, until Einstein. Einstein's idea of gravity is an absolute truth, until maybe Edward Witten (but t
41 DLKAPA : They may observe something completely different than the running theory today, but your point that I was responding to was about observable phenomena
42 TedTAce : Either way you cut it, there is proof that the observations are valid. When you go getting fancy with advanced gravitation and other theories, you ar
43 DLKAPA : Einsteins idea of gravity isn't fundamentally different from Newton's idea of gravity, it's just a possible explanation of how 2 objects attract each
44 MD80fanatic : Are we 100% certain of this.....really? Wouldn't the same effects be witnessed if empty space repelled matter rather than matter being attracted to i
45 DLPMMM : You actually asked 2 different questions: Science is a 9. Scientists only get a 3. Do you understand the difference? There are alot of scientists out
46 DLKAPA : Are we on the same page?
47 Post contains images Bobster2 : It's all Maya, an illusion. You people don't exist except as an illusion in my brain. But you're very entertaining. Keep it up.
48 MD80fanatic : Of course.
49 DLKAPA : ok now I get what you're saying. Empty space doesn't repel matter because according to Einstein the plane of empty space is flat. If the plane of emp
50 Continental : 777236ER is correct in saying that. This stuff will be stressed in any university science class. Sorry, but he is right, you really can't prove a the
51 Post contains images MD80fanatic : hmmm, that's relatively confusing. I was adding a bit of out-of-the-box thinking, just to make an example. At the time, a flat earth and a sun that re
52 777236ER : That's a mathematical equation. That on its own isn't a theory. As mentioned, Newton's theory breaks down at high speeds. Generally, the theory of gr
53 Post contains links TACAA320 : "1. In both East and West, we may trace a journey which has led humanity down the centuries to meet and engage truth more and more deeply. It is a jou
54 777236ER : It was only at the end of 1992 that the Catholic church expressed 'regret' about the way Galileo Galilei was handled. Hmm.
55 Post contains links TACAA320 : Never is too late to "sincerely" ask for forgiveness. Not even in the Galileo case. "The Church is not anti-scientific. It has supported scientific e
56 DLKAPA : No, it breaks down at vast distances, where d = infinitessimal, because distance is inversely related to gravitational force between two objects, and
57 Post contains images MD80fanatic : It also breaks down at infinitessimal small distances as well. Is the gravitational force at the exact center of the earth infinitely great? What dire
58 Bobster2 : You must remember that there are also gravitational forces from the Moon and Sun pulling the rock toward the side of the straight tunnel, so the rock
59 DLKAPA : When the two objects M1 and M2 are touching, the radius from the larger object's center to the smaller object is used. As r decreases, f increases. A
60 TedTAce : Where it will eventually keep overshooting true center until the stasis point is found.
61 Post contains images MD80fanatic : I was thinking that at the exact center, the predominant matter exerting the force would be more or less equally distributed in all directions....thus
62 FSPilot747 : You can't have faith in science. The two concepts are contradictory.
63 Bobster2 : Can you have science in faith?
64 Aircraft : The concepts are not contradictory. I'm not referring to religious faith in this context. Do you have faith that when you sit in a chair, it will not
65 FSPilot747 : No, I have an expectation that it won't fall. But I don't have faith in it, because I know that a chair works. It has been proven to work, and I can
66 Aircraft : The word 'expectation' implies a high degree of confidence in a belief. Since when does a high degree of confidence in a belief eleminate the presenc
67 CastleIsland : As a scientist, I'm not sure that you can hang your hat on that. Proof and disproof equates to opposites. By disproving a theorem, you have shown, be
68 CastleIsland : Dear Lord, what a load of codswallop. Faith implies a degree of assurance that something can be relied upon. Do you only perceive faith as a religiou
69 777236ER : It's not been proven to be untrue, but it hasn't been proven to be true, either. The difference between the two theories is that the modern one is a
70 TACAA320 : Did I quoted something false ? Just let me know where and why.
71 Post contains links TACAA320 : http://www.google.co.cr/firefox?clie...x-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official
72 Post contains links TACAA320 : " In the end, Galileo recanted his heliocentric teachings, but it was not—as is commonly supposed—under torture nor after a harsh imprison- ment.
73 Post contains links 777236ER : Did you read what else I wrote? I'll post it again, maybe you shouldn't ignore it this time. All I see from you is a bunch of semi-apologetic guff, o
74 TACAA320 : Thanks God. You got that I´m ignoring you.
75 777236ER : How do you defend the Vatican spewing the distinctly anti-science and simply wrong view that HIV can pass through condoms? Uh, what? You came into a t
76 Post contains images TACAA320 : I'm still ignoring YOU!
77 TACAA320 : You really don't know how much preoccupied I am about your opinion of myself. BTW, your profile says a lot about you and your seriousness also. I'll
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