Bravo45 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2165 posts, RR: 12 Reply 1, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 1415 times:
Oh so you are doing a study...
Well if I think about it, I don't think I'll give more than a 2-3 at the highest. While we all rely on it heavily, we are doing things today that were scientifically impossible some time in the past. Science is important and will continue to improve but I don't think it will ever be perfect, its been wrong in the past, our understanding is still not absolute neither will it ever be.
TedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 3, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 1411 times:
Short answer: 10
Humans are falible as we have recently discovered with a few scientific frauds as of late BUT other Scientests have proven them wrong so ultimately science doesn't lie. Am I happy about the fact Science doesn't answer EVERYTHING, no. But it answers everything we NEED to know and when it's done well, it's as absolute and irrefutable as a 747 lifting into the sky on a hot summer day.
IAH777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 0 posts, RR: 5 Reply 4, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 1405 times:
Hmm...9. I'd say 10, but they keep coming up with tripe like Restless Leg Syndrome and Irritable Kneecap Cancer. Unless, of course, those "scientists" are actually legions of marketing toads. Then, I'd say 10.
Bravo45 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2165 posts, RR: 12 Reply 5, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 1400 times:
hmm I have more faith in the sun comming up tomorrow than winning a lottery . That was the standard I used. I am confused now, inclining towards no faith count me in at 8-9 or 2-3 (as mentioned above), whatever applies.
You are providing an application of science, or you might say an engineered aspect of science, which is different from explaining it. Humans in the past could manipulate fire, but they didn't understand what it was. Humans knew in the past that apples when falling out of trees hit the ground, but they didn't understand why.
You take for granted that the 747 has flown according to Bernoulli, and will continue to fly tomorrow and the next day. Maybe there are millions upon millions of hours flown by aircraft. That is still in the universal scheme a small number of events anyway that we have observed
And no we don't know fundamentally why airplanes fly since we don't understand matter entirely. Take an oxygen atom; its protons are composed of quarks, put what makes these quarks: strings of energy? How does that correspond to the macro world?
Kieron747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 12, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 1360 times:
I would rate my faith in science as a clear 10, but I would say that, I am a scientist.
Obviously as mentioned above, there is nor absolute truth in science, (is there in anything?) yet science makes the best interpretation of experimental data. If new data is found, the scientific hypothesis may have to be altered.
A good scientist is constantly trying to disprove his own theory, if he can't, and no one else reasonably can, then that theory holds for the time being.
Gunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3480 posts, RR: 10 Reply 16, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 1344 times:
Quoting TedTAce (Reply 15): Science is based on observations that are repeatedly proveable. Unless you want to get philosophical on the observations being made in the first place, there is no 'faith' to science.
I think that's pretty much what I said...read again maybe?
777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 18, posted (7 years 6 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1321 times:
Quoting TedTAce (Reply 15):
Science is based on observations that are repeatedly proveable
God, not again. A scientific theory CAN NEVER BE PROVEN! A theory can only be disproven. A theory can essentially be shown to be true, but you can never prove it.
In what way can you have 'faith' in science? 'Science' isn't some bizarre belief that requires faith. All it is is a methodology for explaining what goes on around us. There's bad science as well as good science. So having faith in science is a bit of a tautology.
CanadianNorth From Canada, joined Aug 2002, 3377 posts, RR: 9 Reply 19, posted (7 years 6 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1304 times:
I'm gunna go with a 9. Most scientific things are indeed nothing more than theories, but these days most honest theories end up working pretty damn well so they must have some truth. Example being an airplane... The theories involved with the laws of physics say if we shape a wing just right a plane will fly. So what happened? We shaped some wings just like the theories told us to and before long we have planes weighing thousands of pounds climbing to thousands of feet above the surface of the earth within minutes of taking off. It ain't perfect but we're obviously doing something right here.
Me too, but Science certainly doesn't answer everything. The ultimate role of science may be to answer the most basic of questions, why is the sky blue, how did we get here. It should be able to explain the world around us, but some of the most simple questions are left unanswered. I therefore do not put complete faith in it.
Quoting TedTAce (Reply 3): Am I happy about the fact Science doesn't answer EVERYTHING, no. But it answers everything we NEED to know and when it's done well, it's as absolute and irrefutable as a 747 lifting into the sky on a hot summer day.
I've got to disagree with this. Science shouldn't be spoken of as something static and final. Someone 100 years ago could say the same thing before the airplane was invented, that it has provided all the answers they need for their daily life. Further back, the world is flat according to Science, what else do we need to know? What we accept as scientific fact today should stand the test of time to be good Science, but a lot of it won't as new discoveries are made and theories are re-tested against the new evidence. That is the process of Science, and generally speaking we actually know so incredibly little about the world around us. If we can get a grasp and ultimate understanding of quantum physics the world will change in ways we can't fathom today.
25 TRVYYZ: I will give a 10 to science. Science is not magic. It simply shows you what is possible and what is not and to what extent. Don't expect it to answer
26 TedTAce: How so? How is our society going to change from consumerisim to something else? Maybe I'm once again being simple about it. But the bottom line is th
27 777236ER: You can't show a theory to be universally true, in every situation. You can prove something mathematically, but you can't prove any scientific theory