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Sex Crimes In OK Can Get You Executed!  
User currently offlineDc10s4ever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 1 month 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2203 times:

While I am not a big fan of the south, I say BRAVO to this new law that OK just passed. If any sicko ever touches my daughter, I would kill him my self.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...-09-okla-molester-executions_x.htm

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User currently offlineLowrider From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 3220 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2195 times:

I am trying to understand what this has to do with the south. There are plenty of northern states with the death penalty. I agree this is a good law, but as someone who grew up in "The North", but currently lives in "The South", I do not understand the seemingly prevalent bias against this region.


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User currently offlineDc10s4ever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2195 times:

Because the south still has many ancient laws on the books like the lame Blue Law....

User currently offline11Bravo From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1717 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2174 times:

Quoting Lowrider (Reply 1):
I am trying to understand what this has to do with the south. There are plenty of northern states with the death penalty.

While that might be true, capital punishment in the US is very much a Southern phenomenon.

Executions since 1976, Top Ten:

Texas 366
Virginia 95
Oklahoma 81
Missouri 66
Florida 60
North Carolina 42
Georgia 39
South Carolina 35
Alabama 34
Louisiana 27

That's 82.4% of all US executions since 1976.



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User currently offlineJpetekYXMD80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4372 posts, RR: 27
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2173 times:

"The last message you want to give an offender who has the life of a child in his hands is you might as well kill the child because he's already got the death penalty," said Brook, who runs the Virginia Capital Case Clearing House, which assists lawyers in death penalty cases. "This is a very stupid message."

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Better to be a rape survivor than a murder victim, which I presume we'll see an increase in these states...



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User currently offlineLowrider From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 3220 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2154 times:

Quoting Dc10s4ever (Reply 2):
Because the south still has many ancient laws on the books like the lame Blue Law....

Again, not exclusive to the south. Furthermore, if the residents don't like it, they can lobby for it to be changed.



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User currently offlineArmitageShanks From UK - England, joined Dec 2003, 3599 posts, RR: 15
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2147 times:

If any crime should be up for capital punishment, sex crimes should be.

Once a girl/woman has been violated they are never the same. A lot of the time it destroys that person forever.


User currently offlineMrmeangenes From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 566 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2127 times:

I note it's for a 2nd conviction ; nonetheless, it will probably get knocked down by the courts.

Incidentally, sex offenders quite often murder their victims,and I doubt the death penalty would make any difference.

Incidentally, doesn't OK have a Democratic governor too ?
I see several of the states have Democrats at the helm,so I assume it's not a Republican/Democrat kind of thing.



gene
User currently offlineNeilYYZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2100 times:

Sounds like a good law to me. And I would doubt that the murder rate of people being raped goes up, there are rapists who are in it for the sexual pleasure and domination, and then there are those that go into it with murder being the summation of the act, two different types of people, I doubt that those that are in it for the domination, degredation and sexual pleasure will all of a sudden start murdering the victims just because the penalty is the same.

User currently offlineTIA From Albania, joined Mar 2006, 524 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2091 times:

Quoting 11Bravo (Reply 3):
Missouri 66

MO is not in the South.


User currently offlineJpetekYXMD80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4372 posts, RR: 27
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2066 times:

Quoting ArmitageShanks (Reply 6):


If any crime should be up for capital punishment, sex crimes should be.

Um, that has to be one of the dumbest things i've heard in a long time. If any crime should be up for capital punishment, it is - DUH- murder.... Not saying theres anything wrong with thinking it shoudl be one, but that statement was pure ignorance.



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User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 30
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2065 times:

The treatment many child sex offenders get from fellow prisoners is probably worse than a quick lethal injection.

Harry



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User currently offlineMrmeangenes From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 566 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1997 times:

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 11):
The treatment many child sex offenders get from fellow prisoners is probably worse than a quick lethal injection.

I'm afraid that's in the realm of "urban legends" : may have been true at one time,but no more !

The typical serious offenders don't care about children one way or the other-mainly because all they REALLY care about is themselves.

Sex offenders piss and moan when they are sent to "treatment facilities" -mainly because they can't get out on parole as quickly,and because they get supervised a tiny bit more strictly.



gene
User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1990 times:

As to the thread topic: I don't really see the downside here.

Anyone messes with my daughter - and well - lets just say there won't be any evidence left . . .


User currently offline11Bravo From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1717 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1987 times:

Quoting TIA (Reply 9):
MO is not in the South.

I never said it was.  Yeah sure



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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1982 times:

Quoting TIA (Reply 9):
MO is not in the South.

Might as well be . . .ever been to the Ozarks> Branson? Can't get any more "Southern" than that, unless you're actually IN the south.

Missouri qualifies . . . easily.


User currently offlineLO231 From Belgium, joined Sep 2004, 2392 posts, RR: 23
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1978 times:

What has Czech Airlines to do with it?

Sorry, couldn't resist.

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User currently offlineTIA From Albania, joined Mar 2006, 524 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1951 times:

Quoting 11Bravo (Reply 14):
Quoting TIA (Reply 9):
MO is not in the South.

I never said it was. Yeah sure

You're right. You never said that but your post seemed to imply it.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 15):
Might as well be . . .ever been to the Ozarks> Branson? Can't get any more "Southern" than that, unless you're actually IN the south.

Missouri qualifies . . . easily.

I've actually lived in MO, and no, it does not qualify as "Southern."


User currently offline11Bravo From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1717 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 month 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1941 times:

Quoting TIA (Reply 17):
You're right. You never said that but your post seemed to imply it.

It didn't "seem to imply" anything. You interpreted it that way. The list was clearly labeled.

Quoting TIA (Reply 17):
I've actually lived in MO, and no, it does not qualify as "Southern."

The southern parts of MO are very much "Southern" in terms of culture and regional identity.

During the Civil War, Missouri was a "Border State", and along with Kentucky, had two separate governments, one Union and one Confederate. In my view, that makes it, to some significant degree, a Southern state.



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User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 month 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1901 times:

Quoting JpetekYXMD80 (Reply 4):
"The last message you want to give an offender who has the life of a child in his hands is you might as well kill the child because he's already got the death penalty,"

I say execute the molester, and then execute dumb lawyers who make such stupid statements.

Child molestation is the most dispicable of all crimes, even beyond murder IMHO. It should be stamped out ruthlessly and without remorse.


User currently offlineJpetekYXMD80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4372 posts, RR: 27
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 month 21 hours ago) and read 1827 times:

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 19):
Child molestation is the most dispicable of all crimes, even beyond murder IMHO.

Uh...what? Would you rather have your child molested or murdered?



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User currently offlineSATX From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2840 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 month 11 hours ago) and read 1769 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 13):
Anyone messes with my daughter - and well - lets just say there won't be any evidence left . . .

First of all, this almost looks like a police officer publicly sanctioning illegal actions, not that I'd ever put that past you; you've made comments like this before. Second, the chances that you'd somehow be a witness are probably fairly slim. Thus, you'd most likely be killing another human based primarily on the word of a child.

Children don't always understand and fully appreciate the consequences of their actions. Parents often think they know their child well enough to see through any lies, but that simply isn't the case. When I was a child, most of my friends and I could bluff our parents without much trouble and the more serious the lie, the more likely they were to believe it. If you later found out that you had possibly killed an innocent person, would you even admit to your actions?



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User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6094 posts, RR: 31
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 month 11 hours ago) and read 1760 times:
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Quoting 11Bravo (Reply 3):
Executions since 1976, Top Ten:

Texas 366
Virginia 95
Oklahoma 81
Missouri 66
Florida 60
North Carolina 42
Georgia 39
South Carolina 35
Alabama 34
Louisiana 27

That's 82.4% of all US executions since 1976.

I agree with you, but those numbers you are posting need to be run on a correlation model with the population of the state.

Quoting Mrmeangenes (Reply 7):
Incidentally, sex offenders quite often murder their victims,and I doubt the death penalty would make any difference.

That is not true. Sex offenders and murderers are a different kind of animal. Sex offender have a sichological pathology and what they are looking for when molesting is not murder. They are searching to satisfy some disfunctional desire in their minds.

Quoting JpetekYXMD80 (Reply 10):
Um, that has to be one of the dumbest things i've heard in a long time. If any crime should be up for capital punishment, it is - DUH- murder

Acroos the board, no. There are many reasons for committing murder and not all murders are the same. A cold blooded murder should see the death penalty I agree, but when a wife who's been abused for years snaps and kills hubby, it's just not the same.



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User currently offlineJpetekYXMD80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4372 posts, RR: 27
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 month 11 hours ago) and read 1758 times:

Quoting AR385 (Reply 22):

Acroos the board, no. There are many reasons for committing murder and not all murders are the same. A cold blooded murder should see the death penalty I agree, but when a wife who's been abused for years snaps and kills hubby, it's just not the same.

Well there are exceptions to every rule ,but I stand by my previous post in generalization 100%. Maybe could say first degree murder.



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User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 month 10 hours ago) and read 1744 times:

I have a question for the liberals here who jump to say that murdering a child is worse than molesting them (I'm not talking about a peek up a skirt, which is bad enough, but all-out rape). Liberals also say that prison time is worse than the death penalty.

We have all heard countless interviews and reports of how victims of child sexual abuse live lives filled with horror and fear, and a variety of disfunctions all related to what happened to them. That appears to me to be no different to what you claim prison to be - with the exception that you are never "let out". The experience will haunt the child for life.

So, by liberals' arguments with the death penalty, child abuse is worse than prison, which is worse than execution - which itself has been called murder by many liberals.

So which is it?


25 SATX : I'm a liberal, so I'll take a shot... First of all, I must take issue with your apparent contention that (American) liberals are somehow out of step w
26 Post contains images Solnabo : Sorry, but what is the Blue Law?? Curious. Micke//SWE
27 SATX : Mainly refers to US laws that serve to prevent you from buying things, typically by forcing various businesses to close or shortening their hours of
28 Post contains links SATX : More on blue laws... United States and Canada, is a type of law restricting certain activities, particularly shopping hours, on Sunday. It had its roo
29 Post contains images Solnabo : @ SATX: Thx for the info. Micke
30 Post contains links and images Cfalk : Because they are many and complex. Google "Stupid Laws" and you'll find web sites full of silly stuff dating back hundreds of years. Did you know tha
31 JpetekYXMD80 : What the hell is with this 'the liberals shit? Can't you try to defend a point of yours without invoking partisan politics that have absolutely no re
32 L-188 : Actually a lot of these laws where ignored for decades prior to them actually being shot down or repealed. Even today there are cases where you can l
33 AR385 : In France, one day a week, I believe it's Saturday or Sunday "Les Grands Magasins" (more or less malls) have to close down, the idea being to protect
34 Post contains images Piercey : Either happens and the person will be full of more lead then this pencil I'm holding. Either way, all I have to say is, about d@mn time.
35 Cfalk : My point exactly. Being alive is better than being dead. So why do people keep saying that life in prison is a bigger punishment than the death penal
36 Gunsontheroof : I suppose that you're correct in that life in prison is filled with horror, fear and a variety of disfunctions, but I'm not sure what you're getting
37 Post contains images Baylorairbear : That's probably what the Hooter's girl's dad is saying right now. BAB
38 Post contains images Gilligan : Sure, that's why they are generally held in seperate areas or in solitary by themselves away from the general population. There may not be much honor
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