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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31573 posts, RR: 57
Posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2056 times:

Why are Indian Movies banned in Pakistan.Spoke to many Pakistanis I know.They all like Bollywood Songs & Movies but watch them on DVDs as it not legally permitted in Pakistan.What is the reason.Not all Pics are Anti-Pakistan.
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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21353 posts, RR: 54
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2049 times:

Because the islamic/islamist clergy perceives them as "immoral"?

User currently offlineAseem From India, joined Feb 2005, 2045 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2040 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 1):
Because the islamic/islamist clergy perceives them as "immoral"?

that proves one point that they watch each and everyone themselves. Quite a fan following.

Quoting HAWK21M (Thread starter):
What is the reason.Not all Pics are Anti-Pakistan.

only a handful of Indian movies have anti-pakistan tone, its mere cultural policing. Imagine, they won't allow Lata Mangkeskar to do a show in Pak.

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User currently offlineTRVYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 1369 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2037 times:

I thought Musharraf was a fan of Rani Mukherjee. Did he go abroad to watch Bollywood movies?

User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31573 posts, RR: 57
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2015 times:

Quoting TRVYYZ (Reply 3):
Did he go abroad to watch Bollywood movies?

His Son did watch a Movie during his Del Visit last year.
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MEL



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User currently offlineBravo45 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2165 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2003 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 1):
Because the islamic/islamist clergy perceives them as "immoral"?

That is absolutely not the case. Indian movies had done business in Pakistan for more than 50 years, and that includes most of the anti-Pakistani movies. I know that for a fact.

Since I have been out of Pakistan for the last 3 years I am not sure of the latest developments but I remember it all started probably close to the deployment of the militarises of both countries which lasted a while in a standoff, India was the first one to ban all Pakistani TV's etc and the measures (at least according to the Pakistani media) included installation of towers that would weaken the air wave signals or something like that, Pakistan actually responded by banning everything from India including the movies and the showing of Indian satellite channels on the Cable networks, however many remained accessible through dishes and many 'primitive' cables operating in their immediate neighbourhood without license etc continued to show them.

There were many other things going parallel to these kind of measures, including the banning of flights of one country's airline over the other, again a measure first taken by India and then matched by Pakistan. The more publicised military standoff was to last least long of all, there were negotiations for the resumption of the flights over and to each other. I am not sure if there was ever any kind of dialogue ever to lift the ban on each others media. Lastly I am not sure if Indian stuff is still banned in Pakistan, if it is then I am sure Pakistani stuff is banned in India too.

Disclaimer:
I am no fan of Indian movies, in fact because of their lack of quality etc I was very relieved to be free of the torturous atmosphere of my home when the ban was finally put in place. I was the only one among my combined family and all of the friends to have such an opinion about the Indian movie industry.


User currently offlineTRVYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 1369 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2000 times:

Quoting Bravo45 (Reply 5):
I am no fan of Indian movies, in fact because of their lack of quality etc

Indian movies are not just the Bollywood crap. I don't watch bollywood, but that doesnot mean I don't watch Indian movies.
But once in a while even bollywood produces some good ones.


User currently offlineAseem From India, joined Feb 2005, 2045 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1958 times:

Quoting Bravo45 (Reply 5):
I was the only one among my combined family and all of the friends to have such an opinion about the Indian movie industry.

amen!! Big grin
Long Live Lollywood!!!



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31573 posts, RR: 57
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1950 times:

Quoting Bravo45 (Reply 5):
India was the first one to ban all Pakistani TV's etc and the measures (at least according to the Pakistani media) included installation of towers that would weaken the air wave signals or something like that

It was not post Kargil but much prior to that,that the Indian Films were not telecast in Pakistan.
As for PTv ban,thats true.it was for a small period,But there were more better channels on Indian Tvs to watch PTv.Although Pakistani Plays are very Popular out here,cant say the same for the Movies & other programmes.

I've heard that fear of the Pakistani Film Industry closing down is the reason that Indian Films [not Bolywood] are not shown publically in Pakistan.

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MEL



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User currently offlinePIA777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1738 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1944 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 1):
Because the islamic/islamist clergy perceives them as "immoral"?

Sorry to disappoint you but Pakistan is not run like Iran. I don't remember
any Indian Movies being banned in Pakistan. I always watch them
and rent them when I am there. If American movies can be rented and
seen, I don't see why Indian movies can't be seen.

PIA777



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User currently offlineBravo45 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2165 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1940 times:

Quoting Aseem (Reply 7):
amen!!
Long Live Lollywood!!!

I hope you were not attempting to provoke me, coz I won't be provoked. I'd love they (lollywood) can somehow be put in their deserved place: Nonexistence. Big grin

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 8):
It was not post Kargil but much prior to that,that the Indian Films were not telecast in Pakistan.

I can't remember coz I never paid attention, they were ALWAYS around in huge and for me unbearable quantities. It was the time when the cable networks were stopped that, such a hater of them all like me was able to feel a slight break in the worthless rampage of all the stuff you see in Indian movies.

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 8):
Although Pakistani Plays are very Popular out here,cant say the same for the Movies & other programmes.

I have for the most part been careless of the opinion of others regarding such matters probably because no one around me shared my opinion. But it was only after I moved to the US that I found from Indian fellows how much Pakistani plays are liked, something BTW to which I agree. As far as Pakistani movies are concerned, like I said, lets not waste our time.  Smile

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 8):
I've heard that fear of the Pakistani Film Industry closing down is the reason that Indian Films [not Bolywood] are not shown publicly in Pakistan.

If that is true then since I am out here, I wouldn't mind them becoming a part of history regardless of the way. Though I am of the opinion that they rely on copying ideas from the Indian industry. Whole plots dialogues etc Lol.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 1):
Because the islamic/islamist clergy perceives them as "immoral"?

I mean no offence or conflict but I am actually interested in find out how you came to this conclusion and that too with enough confidence to post it as a statement instead of your opinion.


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31573 posts, RR: 57
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1930 times:

Quoting PIA777 (Reply 9):
If American movies can be rented and
seen, I don't see why Indian movies can't be seen.



Quoting Bravo45 (Reply 10):
But it was only after I moved to the US that I found from Indian fellows how much Pakistani plays are liked, something BTW to which I agree

Maybe One day Good Films of Each could be shown in the others Cities Publically & not on DVD/VCDs.

Bravo45.....Hows it with the Indian & Pakistanis during a Cricket Match out there  Smile
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineBravo45 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2165 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1927 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 11):
Bravo45.....Hows it with the Indian & Pakistanis during a Cricket Match out there

I think its great. My brother attended one match in Lahore and told me there were surprisingly high number of Indian fans who travelled across the border. In their conversation they agreed it was important for such methods of meeting each other, the Indians did mention time and again they loved Lahore a lot.
They made it very easy for Pakistani fans to go over to India when Pakistan last visited there. In Lahore they had counters set up outside Qaddafi Stadium and you could book your ENTIRE trip from there including stadium and bus tickets to hotel and Visa etc. I was pleasantly surprised to know that, do you know how is it over there? My brother couldn't go due to some last minute engagements elsewhere.
I think its great and should only improve in the future especially since the cricket of our countries have shown that they can survive the departure of the legends at least I grew up thinking would last forever. I had honestly thought that cricket would loose its charm after Wasim Akram and Tendulkar retire. I did find it hard for me to find the same passion after Wasim Akram's retirement but I have to say the team won my respect by their teamwork, something I thought the Pakistani cricket team does not have the genes for. And gone are the days when Tendulkar's early wicket meant a sure victory, specially for Pakistan.
Obviously both had talents, for my age it was needed that it be proved, it certainly has.


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31573 posts, RR: 57
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1926 times:

Quoting Bravo45 (Reply 12):

True.Cricket was Fun,Thanks to the Media.
Maybe one day things would be Normal accross the Border on Both sides.

BTW In LHR recently We struggled with the Food Until We Discovered a Pakistani Restraunt nearby & Once The owners knew We were from India.It was Extra Food & lots of Questions on Bollywood  Smile

regds
MEL



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User currently offlineBravo45 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2165 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1924 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 13):
True.Cricket was Fun,Thanks to the Media.

Was?? Come on, cheer up! Tendulkar is still around...

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 13):
Maybe one day things would be Normal accross the Border on Both sides.

Ameen!

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 13):
BTW In LHR recently We struggled with the Food Until We Discovered a Pakistani Restraunt nearby & Once The owners knew We were from India.It was Extra Food & lots of Questions on Bollywood

 Smile
Its nice to meet people from your part of the world when you are so far away from home, I can understand it now.


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21353 posts, RR: 54
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1915 times:

Quoting Bravo45 (Reply 10):
I mean no offence or conflict but I am actually interested in find out how you came to this conclusion and that too with enough confidence to post it as a statement instead of your opinion.

I'm quite aware that Pakistan is not Iran. And I'm also aware that my knowledge about Pakistan is limited. That's why I actually did not post it as a "confident statement" but as a question above.

But the Taliban obviously still have their strongholds primarily in Pakistan; And dictator Musharraf is apparently under pressure from islamists on several fronts (Taliban, Kashmir, even attempts of suicide assassins on his life). At least in rural areas there have been numerous reports of archaic tribal vendettas (which only partially relate to Islam).

Those things are not really the issue here, but it is not that much of a stretch to ask if there's a connection. Even the - by comparison! - moderate catholic church would like to exert that kind of influence if they could.

That's why.


User currently offlineBravo45 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2165 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1911 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 15):
. That's why I actually did not post it as a "confident statement" but as a question above.

My sincere apologies, I should not have posted at a time I had a severe headache with bright spots blurring visions in my eye. I couldn't sleep so was trying to stay busy, getting better as tie for the match draws closer.

Give me while I will respond to the rest of you post again. And I would like to say again, in no way am I disgruntled at your post or anything like it,, in fact quite the opposite, I am glad somebody cares to speak their mind. I just want to find the right words to express what I feel while keeping it short so you may not go to sleep. For now I gotta fetch something to eat before the match starts.  Smile


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21353 posts, RR: 54
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1909 times:

No offense taken!  Smile

Enjoy your meal!  bigthumbsup 


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31573 posts, RR: 57
Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1897 times:

Quoting Bravo45 (Reply 16):
For now I gotta fetch something to eat before the match starts.


Let Me Guess Chicken Biryani.  biggrin 
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineBravo45 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2165 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1896 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 18):
Let Me Guess Chicken Biryani.

Hahaha A little off...
I had Nayhaari. Yum yum, its a special on weekends at a Pakistani resturant in Arlington, close to DC. Its worth the 20 minute drive.


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31573 posts, RR: 57
Reply 20, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1881 times:

Quoting Bravo45 (Reply 19):
I had Nayhaari.

Whats that.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineBravo45 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2165 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1859 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 20):
Whats that.

Hmm I didn't think it would be so hard to find a pic of it online. Its buffalo meat alone usually cooked slowly over longer time. Not sure why it isn't common enough across the border for you to know it by name. If you are not a vegetarian look for it, you will not be disappointed.

And Dear Klaus!
Seem to obviously have lost the train of thought but the point I wanted to make was the diversity of Pakistan that foreigners have no idea about. Like I wasn't surprised when most of the first responses after the recent earthquake were to the effect of "I hope Osama is dead" etc, while the same thought never crossed my mind because I know how far that border with Afghanistan is. A lot of the problems of the region are not actually related to Islam though Islam does end up looking like the problem and/or the root cause. People in that border region are very different than to where I come from although the distance is not great. Many of those areas actually don't recognise the Pakistani laws etc. The reason is that some of them actually volunteered to join Pakistan when it was created and some as late as the rise to power of the Taliban their condition was autonomy within the country. Their customs and traditions are old (not to give the impression that they are medevil but to make the point they resist change especially when outside factor is involved)and they have always been conservatives and have resisted ANY foreign dictation in ANY way form or about anything. Not only the British and the Russians but Alexander the Great fought some of his toughest battles here and that is long before Islam.
Secondly Pakistan has had many democratic periods yet never were the chants of religion able to gather enough votes to form the government or even be an important part of a coalition government. While you will find Pakistan and its people more religious than many other nations, the outright dirty politics the religious parties have played in the past are not popular at all. Until recently they were all divided in sects etc, it was only against Musharraf that they for the first time in history formed a combined party and did receive considerable (more than they ever had) support. Again among the main factors of their recent success was their unifying policy and most of all where ever they take office, you can expect: an end to corruption, the end of any misuse of powers and end to the luxurious life style the government officials lead which they don't deserve given what they have overall achieved.

Anyway I didn't want to make it long so I'll stop here. Thinking of this as a start and an different view to look things through, if you pay attention and gain a little understanding every time something comes up, things will start to make more and more sense.
Best Regards,
Jawad.

P.S The world has let them down too many times before for them to even begin trusting outsiders, the UN's poorest refugee camps are in Pakistan set up during the Afghan war. Many resorted to crimes and it was amde easy for them as they were able to get Pakistani passports ending up associating bad name to Pakistan. Pakistan's economy was drained because of the influx and even today things are not as calm for them to return. Karzai rules with a limited and fragile hold over Kabul with the rest of the country under the control of the war lords many known war crime criminals who rule in many cases more brutally than the Taliban who at least had written laws etc, and this time they are the Allies with the US. I would have been happier with a Iraq like US presence and process in Afghanistan. But Bush had to get Saddam...
Anyway many dimentions as to why the US and the west as whole is not popular in that part of the World.


User currently offlineAseem From India, joined Feb 2005, 2045 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1849 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 20):
Whats that.
regds
MEL



Quoting Bravo45 (Reply 21):
Hmm I didn't think it would be so hard to find a pic of it online. Its buffalo meat alone usually cooked slowly over longer time. Not sure why it isn't common enough across the border for you to know it by name. If you are not a vegetarian look for it, you will not be disappointed.

pretty common in Lucknowi or authentic Mughlai cuisine. Won't find it in Punjabi dhabbas
rgds
VT-ASJ



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User currently offlineAseem From India, joined Feb 2005, 2045 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1845 times:

Quoting Bravo45 (Reply 21):
I would have been happier with a Iraq like US presence and process in Afghanistan. But Bush had to get Saddam...

I'll have to agree with you here. If US lets down Afghan people this time, then there is nobody they're ever going to trust. And Karzai is going to end up like Najibullah.
rgds
VT-ASJ



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21353 posts, RR: 54
Reply 24, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1833 times:

Quoting Bravo45 (Reply 21):
And Dear Klaus!
Seem to obviously have lost the train of thought but the point I wanted to make was the diversity of Pakistan that foreigners have no idea about.

Thank you for elaborating.

A while ago, our french-german culture channel arte covered Pakistan in their regular "Zapping" segment (Best of "Zapping International" - ARTE - website available in german and french) where they report about the TV scene in various countries all over the planet; it usually includes interviews with TV producers, journalists and experts, but also with ordinary families about their TV habits, interests and opinions. It's quite interesting, and so was the Pakistan episode.

I just can't remember what exactly the situation was regarding indian movies; It was one of the topics they touched upon.

I'm quite aware that Pakistan isn't just "taliban country"; But the various religious groups seemed to have some influence, so I guessed in that direction.


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31573 posts, RR: 57
Reply 25, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1833 times:

Quoting Aseem (Reply 22):
pretty common in Lucknowi or authentic Mughlai cuisine. Won't find it in Punjabi dhabbas

Did a Search could not find a Pic.
regds
MEL



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