Gman94 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 1239 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1231 times:
You keep smoking that crack Bill, we won the World Cup because we were the best team in the world at the time and we were far from a one man team. Australia would of taken the same option of they got close to the sticks, your not moody John Howard our you?
As for today they were flashes of better to come from England but poor decision making and execution let England down badly today. Hopefully Ashton will sort the attack out when he has had more time with the team.
TSV From Australia, joined Nov 1999, 1641 posts, RR: 5 Reply 3, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1231 times:
Hey Bill I suppose you are staying up for the British GP? Did you see the result already?
Yeah they were just about unbeatable with Johnnie Johnnie but still they look like a team that can be moulded into a unit that can defend it's World Cup.
The Wallabies are an interesting mix of the old, new, and recycled however I get the feeling that there is a hell of a lot of rebuilding before trotting off to France next year. At least the scrum wasn't the massacre as at Twickenham last year.
KiwiinOz From New Zealand, joined Oct 2005, 2044 posts, RR: 5 Reply 5, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1226 times:
Quoting Gman94 (Reply 2): You keep smoking that crack Bill, we won the World Cup because we were the best team in the world at the time and we were far from a one man team. Australia would of taken the same option of they got close to the sticks, your not moody John Howard our you?
Agree 100%. Result would have been the same without Johnny. Was an excellent game plan by an excellent team. Even though Clive Woodward is a complete tosser, he did a great job with those guys.
As for their performances since the world cup, they certainly don't look like champions.
VHVXB From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 5517 posts, RR: 20 Reply 7, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1219 times:
Quoting TSV (Reply 3): Yeah they were just about unbeatable with Johnnie Johnnie but still they look like a team that can be moulded into a unit that can defend it's World Cup.
i seriously doubt it.
Quoting Gman94 (Reply 6): We had just won the World Cup aren't we allowed to celebrate a bit?
yeah why not it might the last cup win for long time
Bill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8326 posts, RR: 9 Reply 9, posted (7 years 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1189 times:
Quoting TSV (Reply 3): Hey Bill I suppose you are staying up for the British GP? Did you see the result already?
Unfortunately not. I was in SIN at the time and completely missed it.
Quoting Gman94 (Reply 2): You keep smoking that crack Bill, we won the World Cup because we were the best team in the world at the time and we were far from a one man team
Yes at the time. And you've been crap ever since. Come to think of it, Wilkinson hasn't played much since 2003 has he?
Banco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 55 Reply 10, posted (7 years 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1171 times:
Quoting Bill142 (Reply 9): And you've been crap ever since
Pretty much. There was always going to be a transition period with all of those players retiring, but there really should have been an upturn in the last year or eighteen months. They're underperforming without doubt - although England don't have the quality of player they had in 2000-2003, they should still be one of the best teams in the world with the players they have available - and they aren't.
Quoting Bill142 (Reply 9): Come to think of it, Wilkinson hasn't played much since 2003 has he?
No, not much at all. He keeps picking up niggling injuries, so he plays for a few games, then is out for a month, comes back, picks up another one, is out for another month and so on and so forth.
I have to say though, that anyone that thinks England were a one man team in 2003 doesn't know the first thing about rugby. Just take that drop goal: Wilkinson got the plaudits, but it was Johnson and Dawson who set it up. Wilkinson couldn't miss.
As for the game yesterday, England should be bitterly disappointed with the way they caved in towards the end. It was a promising enough performance in the breadth of ambition showed; Tait looked good at centre, Varndell looked raw but dangerous on the wing, whilst the back row were much, much quicker to the breakdown than they have been of late. The side was a very, very young one, very inexperienced, but they did have their opportunities and didn't take them. They might have been given that try on another day (it was inconclusive on the replay) and the game could have been different, but the same frailties were in evidence. England three times blew a simple overlap and the line-out was again shaky. They'll have to improve markedly in the 2nd Test.
Good things? Well, it looks like Ashton has already been to work on the attack. England were nothing like as laboured in the backs as they have been of late - in fact part of the problem was continually seeking the magic pass rather than doing the basics.
As for Australia - they've finally picked people who can scrummage! Hopefully that liability in the tight Al Baxter is consigned to the bench forever, and of course they are always dangerous in broken play.
So, all in all, Australia are showing signs of getting it together for the World Cup, whilst England are showing "promise" for the future with the kids. The problem there is that one year out from the World Cup, "promise" is nowhere near enough, and far too late. They have problems.
She's as nervous as a very small nun at a penguin shoot.
Banco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 55 Reply 12, posted (7 years 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1166 times:
Quoting QANTASforever (Reply 11): The one thing I will say, is note the way Australia is reacting to this win.
The one thing I will say in return, we noted exactly how Australia reacted to their World Cup win in 1999, and their cricket team. Don't go holier than thou on us.
She's as nervous as a very small nun at a penguin shoot.
Bill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8326 posts, RR: 9 Reply 16, posted (7 years 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1156 times:
Quoting Banco (Reply 10): I have to say though, that anyone that thinks England were a one man team in 2003 doesn't know the first thing about rugby
I never said they were a one man team. The tactic of the rolling maul worked well. To be honest, I was surprised that Australia, New Zealand and South Africa didn't attempt to fight fire with fire by using the same tactic against them.
I don't see why I should. You started it. My only post on the subject was to provide an analysis of the game, the shortcomings of both England and Australia and their potential for the future.
She's as nervous as a very small nun at a penguin shoot.
Gman94 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 1239 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (7 years 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1148 times:
I'll just watch the RWC DVD tonight if your going to play a childish ' I'm not telling ' game. I just can't be arsed to get into one of your silly discussions about this imagined attitude that Brits have towards Australia.
Quoting Bill142 (Reply 16): I never said they were a one man team. The tactic of the rolling maul worked well. To be honest, I was surprised that Australia, New Zealand and South Africa didn't attempt to fight fire with fire by using the same tactic against them.
Still taking your pills I see, go back and watch a few matches, England were a well balanced team playing a strong forward and back game and not totally dominated by forward play.
Banco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 55 Reply 19, posted (7 years 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1142 times:
Quoting Bill142 (Reply 16): I never said they were a one man team.
It wasn't specifically aimed at you, Bill. More of a general comment at those who don't really understand the game. Unbelievably, you do hear some people say that New Zealand with Daniel Carter are a one man team, palpable nonsense clearly. But people tend to see the person kicking the goals and think it all derives from them.
She's as nervous as a very small nun at a penguin shoot.
If you're predisposed to making unsubstantiated claims, then so be it.
Quoting Banco (Reply 17): My only post on the subject was to provide an analysis of the game, the shortcomings of both England and Australia and their potential for the future.
It was an excellent post. You then involved yourself in a short exchange Gman94 and I were having in your next post. If you don't want to discuss it further, that's fine. You think Australians are bad winners, I think Britons are bad winners. Let's leave it there.
Banco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 55 Reply 21, posted (7 years 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1134 times:
Quoting QANTASforever (Reply 20): If you're predisposed to making unsubstantiated claims, then so be it.
I merely responded to your own unsubstantiated claims by pointing out that it is somewhat rich for Australians to try to state such a thing. Don't try laying that one on me,it's down to you.
Quoting QANTASforever (Reply 20): If you don't want to discuss it further, that's fine.
I didn't want to discuss it in the first place. You did.
She's as nervous as a very small nun at a penguin shoot.
QANTASforever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 22, posted (7 years 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1132 times:
Quoting Banco (Reply 21): I merely responded to your own unsubstantiated claims by pointing out that it is somewhat rich for Australians to try to state such a thing.
I don't think you can claim any higher ground as a country when after the 2003 win (a VERY close game, remember) we saw large numbers of Britons in central London chanting anti-Australian slogans and publicly making jingoistic and derogatory comments. It just doesn't square with my interpretation of good sportsmanship. Add to this our head of state's clear favour of the English team (rugby AND cricket) in a number of circumstances, and you start to see a pattern emerging.
Quoting Banco (Reply 21): I didn't want to discuss it in the first place. You did.
You involved yourself, and you've continued to respond. Let's talk.
Banco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 55 Reply 23, posted (7 years 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1131 times:
Quoting QANTASforever (Reply 22): I don't think you can claim any higher ground as a country when after the 2003 win
Never have claimed the higher ground and never will. I've always felt that the English and Australians are equally insufferable when they win, and equally irritating when they lose.
Quoting QANTASforever (Reply 22): publicly making jingoistic and derogatory comments
I don't see any difference. If you take the rugby World Cup in 2003, you had your appalling media (as opposed to our appalling media) slagging off the England team throughout, and Australian "fans" outside the England hotel the night before the World Cup final trying to make as much noise as they could to keep the England team from sleeping.
I don't remotely include Howard's sour grapes in the equation because of the appalled reaction of every Australian to it.
She's as nervous as a very small nun at a penguin shoot.
QANTASforever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 24, posted (7 years 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1124 times:
Quoting Banco (Reply 23): If you take the rugby World Cup in 2003, you had your appalling media (as opposed to our appalling media) slagging off the England team throughout
They attacked the team, not your country generally. Many Australians weren't happy with the way the media treated the English team. I was one of them.
Quoting Banco (Reply 23): nd Australian "fans" outside the England hotel the night before the World Cup final trying to make as much noise as they could to keep the England team from sleeping.
Okay, I know the hotel they stayed at, and it's huge. It's also in an extremely popular part of town (Manly) that's renowned for its party atmosphere. I can also assure you that during the world cup in the pubs surrounding the English team's hotel, the loudest revellers were unquestionably the English supporters. There's no way that the English team members would have been kept awake because they were about 8 floors up from street level, and Manly is a focus point for police trying to disrupt anti-social behaviour. I think you're making too much of this incident, although I admit this is the first I've heard of it.
Some Australians are bad winners and do sledge the other team, but the British (the English especially) ridicule and degrade nations in general. I think that's exceptionally poor form, not that I'd expect you to agree.
QFF
25 Banco: You must be joking. The Australian press are constantly attacking England and Britain in general. Clearly you don't see it. Australians ritually refe
26 TSV: I'm really wondering if I posted "Rugby Union : Australia V England" or "Try your hand at writing another version of Monty Python's "Argument" Skit".
27 QANTASforever: A term even our renowned Crown Prince seemed to enjoy. That said, I don't like it, and you'll notice that I don't use that term with 'you people'. A
28 Banco: Oh I'm so sorry. We'll prostrate ourselves in the dust in the light of our clear evil and cruelty to your poor, poor people. I always seem to forget
29 Gman94: Very strange that I was at the victory parade for the World Cup and didn't hear one song to do with Australia. I suppose when you have an axe to grind
31 QANTASforever: It was neither cruel nor evil, it was ungrateful and unsportsmanlike. You really have no concept of responsibility and graciousness, do you? No, you
34 Banco: Really? Give me one example of where I've shown it.
35 Gkirk: Feck it, now I'll have to look that up in the dictionary
36 Gman94: What have these events got to do with anything? Like I said I was AT the victory parade and there were no anti Australia songs sung. But if it's repo
37 QANTASFOREVER: You're currently defending hooligans who regurgitate tired and inflammatory rhetoric. Not once have you said that yes, sometimes the British are offe
38 Banco: Are you talking about Gman94? OK, firstly, I haven't defended anyone. Secondly, if you're calling him a hooligan, I would suggest that you either bac
39 QANTASforever: Nor have you condemned them. As for the second part of your post, you recognised that some Australians aren't happy with anti-British sentiment in th
40 Banco: Lordy, do I have to spell it out? Get it now?
41 QANTASforever: You're too subtle. That's why Australia loves America more than you - that say what they think and they think what they say. None of this pinko commie
42 Banco: You don't love America, you're just a colony of the place. If you had your own identity rather than just borrowing Britain and America's you'd realise
43 QANTASforever: Australia is a mix of America and the UK - you can hear it in the accent. Fortunately we didn't inherit your utterly rank social problems. 11 year ol
44 Banco: Your royals too, I think you'll find - and will remain so as long as you are too afraid to cut the apron strings. As for social problems, you've plen
45 QANTASforever: Believe me, give me an hour in a room with a pair of scissors and the group of people who constitute the "apron strings" and I'll cut them to ribbons
46 Banco: Unfortunately, your nation doesn't agree with you. So what is it, that they want the status quo or that they're too afraid? Blah, blah, blah. I'm awa
47 QANTASforever: They're sheep, but at least they're sheep with a history of republicanism, which is more than I can say for your inbred, continental clan of backward
48 Evomutant: Thats really not necessary. And i'm glad you didn't see the comercials Sky ran last year for the ashes... showed a bunch of convicts (Shane Warne) be
49 QANTASFOREVER: Warne is a complete and utter tool, and a closet pom. He has a vested interest in rimming the English Cricket establishment because he's one SMS away
50 Gman94: The only tool round these parts is you QFF, actually that's a bit mild racist and bigot is more appropriate. It's funny how prod, poke and goad everyo
52 Banco: I think that might have just been a teensy-weensy clue...
53 QANTASforever: Screw it, I'm telling. Gman94, Banco and I have been talking and we both think you're the biggest loser on a.net. You might wear your patriotism on y
54 Gman94: It was all part of mine and Banco's masterplan to make you unite with us English, the next step is to get you singing Jerusalem and Land of Hope and
56 Glennstewart: We're loud when we win, but we're gracious in defeat. We hardly go throwing things around. Although a friend of mine did dance on a table in Germany
57 VHVXB: A good win by Australia and to get back the Cook cup the from the english. It was a better game than the first one and England played some good footba
58 Evomutant: England were poor. if you cant do the basic skills you wont score points no-matter how much possesion (and we had lots) you have. Agree about George C
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