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PC Help Needed! - Klaus You're Not Welcome! :D  
User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2389 posts, RR: 21
Posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2303 times:

Hey all!

My desktop computer which is no more than 6 months old suddenly wont start up anymore. It worked fine this morning, then this afternoon I had to restart my computer because I wasn't able to hear any sound from my computer.
I restarted it, it showed the start up screen (the fujitsu siemens logo and the pentium 4 logo), then it usually continues with the windows loading screen, but the screen turned blank, just as if the computer was switched off.

I then shut it down completely, started it up again, and the same result occured. I opened up the computer, took out the memory and put it in again to make sure it sat in place. I tried putting the recovery cd into the cd drive which was included with the pc, but with no luck.
Is it a hardware failure?

Thankyou in advance!

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User currently offlineLOT767-300ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2298 times:

See if your hard drive spins normally, or see if it spins at all. Sounds like your HD failed.

User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2389 posts, RR: 21
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2290 times:

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 1):
See if your hard drive spins normally, or see if it spins at all. Sounds like your HD failed.

This might be a possibility, but how do I check if it spins? would I be able to hear it?


User currently offlineLOT767-300ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2277 times:

run chkdisk/fdisk or just put your hand on it see if it spins and vibrates.

User currently offlineFlyKev From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2006, 1381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2277 times:
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Does indeed sound like a Hard Drive problem to me.

First, (If you have one) check your HDD light on the cas is flashing when your computers turned on. if it isnt, then theres a HDD problem.

Secondly, check all cables are plugged in securly.

Thirdly, make sure your boot order is set to the HDD first, this way you can see if its running

(Normally found by hitting DEL at turn on, and going into the Advanced BIOS configuration)

Check the Hard Drives set to boot first in the boot sequence.

Save and restart.

Hope this helps.

kev.



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21442 posts, RR: 53
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2268 times:

Quoting AirPacific747 (Thread starter):
PC Help Needed! - Klaus You're Not Welcome! Big grin

How rude!  mischievous 

Nevertheless: I don't have too much experience with PC BIOSes, but I don't see a disk problem as the probable cause. In that case you'd most probably see a respective error message, but the PC would still stay on.

If it actually switches off (with the fans stopping and the power LED going off as well), I'd guess that it's a safety-related emergency shutdown (to prevent further damage from a major system malfunction, such as defective cooling or bad voltage regulators) or a major power supply failure.

Again, I don't have too much experience with actual PC motherboards, but apart from rather subtle software problems (including the theoretical possibility of a malware infection) my guess would go towards defective hardware.

After making sure you're free of electrical charge (equalized potential) against the PC, I'd unplug all but the essential peripherals (potentially including non-essential cards), I'd check all internal connectors (power, signals, expansion cards, RAM, fans etc.), I'd look into the manual (if you've got one - they're actually useful on rare occasions!) and if nothing else helped I'd get help from service. Well, I personally would start checking voltages and stuff, but you shouldn't try that unless you knew what you were doing.

Yes, you'd probably be less unhappy with a Mac in most respects (can't disappoint you entirely, now can I? Big grin), but even though severe hardware failures may be rarer there, they still can happen as well.

Good luck!


User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2389 posts, RR: 21
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2256 times:

Quoting FlyKev (Reply 4):
Thirdly, make sure your boot order is set to the HDD first, this way you can see if its running

The standard settings were set to boot the CD-rom drive first, but I changed it to the harddrive. I also checked that the HD light does flash when I turn on the pc. It didn't seem to help though.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 5):
How rude!

Sorry about that! I was just joking I am just not in the mood to hear about how great Apples are at the moment (wish I had a macbook pro )

Quoting Klaus (Reply 5):


If it actually switches off

It doesn't. The computer remains on, but the screen is black just like if it was turned off. And I know the screen is correctly connected because it shows the startup logos when the computer is turned on.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 5):
Yes, you'd probably be less unhappy with a Mac in most respects (can't disappoint you entirely, now can I?

Oh shaddup!

I will try to see if a computer technician from my father's old company is able to help me. He has helped us before, but when I called him a few hours ago, he didn't suggest anything that I hadn't already tried.
I hope he can fix it, and if he isn't able to, its tough luck then I guess, because I am not sure that I am able to find the receipt for my computer, which means I have to pay for it getting repaired myself

[Edited 2006-06-12 17:21:06]

User currently offlineFlyKev From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2006, 1381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2239 times:
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Hmm, can you boot into safe mode? This is usually done by holding down F8 at system start up.

Let me know if you can.

Kev.



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User currently offlineJamie757 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2231 times:

Quoting FlyKev (Reply 7):
Hmm, can you boot into safe mode? This is usually done by holding down F8 at system start up

I was just about to suggest trying this as well.  Smile

Rgds.


User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2389 posts, RR: 21
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2226 times:

Quoting FlyKev (Reply 7):
Hmm, can you boot into safe mode? This is usually done by holding down F8 at system start up.

Let me know if you can.

Thanks! Yeah it comes up with a menu, but when I enter "boot windows in safe mode" it comes up with a list of 5-6 files. Could those files be the ones missing/damaged?

This enables me to use the command prompt though and possibly re-install windows from there. It just sucks because I will lose a lot of important files if I do re-install everything

[Edited 2006-06-12 17:33:33]

User currently offlineManuCH From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 3011 posts, RR: 47
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2216 times:
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To me it sounds like a corrupt Windows system file which just hangs the system while booting. If you're not able to boot into safe mode as suggested by FlyKev, I would try a system recovery with the WinXP setup CD.

-Manuel



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User currently offlineCPH757 From Denmark, joined Sep 2005, 684 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2216 times:

Does the BIOS detect the harddrive at all?

If you can hear the HDD spin, I would also try the F8 option, but it seem unlikely that it's the problem.

Try to boot from a Windows installation CD. If it boots, and you are able to navigate through the installation, check if the installation can detect your harddrive. If it can, the drive is still alive - it could be the Master Boot Record (MBR) that is damaged. I recall that there are tools for fixing this on the Windows installation disc.

If it won't boot, try to disconnect every parts of hardware connected to the motherboard (I assume that it's not a laptop). Then reconnect power, CPU, and memory (you might start out with just one block). try to boot. Does the machine tell you that there aren't any boot devices? If so, try to connect either harddrive or CD drive, and test whether you are able to boot from one of those.

Well, to finish off, this post was posted from my brand new Macbook Pro Big grin



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User currently offlineFlyKev From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2006, 1381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2216 times:
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Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 9):

This enables me to use the command prompt though and possibly re-install windows from there. It just sucks because I will lose a lot of important files if I do re-install everything

Hold on a moment, from here, you may be able to do a system rollback. Go to start menu, accessories, system tools and choose system restore. Take your compouter back to before your sound disapeared.

Kev.



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User currently offlineOly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6703 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2210 times:

Do you have a network card? I've had a few times when a dead network cards stops the computer running up.


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User currently offlineJamie757 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2198 times:

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 9):
Thanks! Yeah it comes up with a menu, but when I enter "boot windows in safe mode" it comes up with a list of 5-6 files. Could those files be the ones missing/damaged?

No, when windows boots into 'safe mode' it scrolls through a list of .dll and .sys files on screen as it accesses them.

Quoting ManuCH (Reply 10):
To me it sounds like a corrupt Windows system file which just hangs the system while booting. If you're not able to boot into safe mode as suggested by FlyKev, I would try a system recovery with the WinXP setup CD.

This makes sense and it's probably connected to your soundcard/onboard sound drivers.

Do you have the original Windows XP OS disk? Or is it a manufacturers recovery disk?

Rgds.

[Edited 2006-06-12 18:05:53]

User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2389 posts, RR: 21
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2184 times:

Quoting ManuCH (Reply 10):
To me it sounds like a corrupt Windows system file which just hangs the system while booting. If you're not able to boot into safe mode as suggested by FlyKev, I would try a system recovery with the WinXP setup CD.

I think this might be my only option  Sad Thankyou for your advice!

Quoting CPH757 (Reply 11):
Does the BIOS detect the harddrive at all?

Yes it does!

Quoting CPH757 (Reply 11):
Try to boot from a Windows installation CD. If it boots, and you are able to navigate through the installation, check if the installation can detect your harddrive. If it can, the drive is still alive - it could be the Master Boot Record (MBR) that is damaged. I recall that there are tools for fixing this on the Windows installation disc.

what command for the command prompt should I use in order to be able to boot from the windows cd-rom without having to reformat the whole harddrive?

Quoting CPH757 (Reply 11):
Well, to finish off, this post was posted from my brand new Macbook Pro

ass! Big grin

Quoting FlyKev (Reply 12):
Hold on a moment, from here, you may be able to do a system rollback. Go to start menu, accessories, system tools and choose system restore. Take your compouter back to before your sound disapeared.

What do you mean by that? I am not able to load windows

Quoting Oly720man (Reply 13):
Do you have a network card? I've had a few times when a dead network cards stops the computer running up.

I don't think so.. I am using wireless internet if that is what you're talking about. So I have a USB wireless network card plugged in to my computer.

Quoting Jamie757 (Reply 14):
No, when windows boots into 'safe mode' it scrolls through a list of .dll and .sys files on screen as it accesses them.

okay, but it stops after about 5-6 file names


User currently offline777DadandJr From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1516 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2173 times:

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 9):
I will lose a lot of important files if I do re-install everything

Not if you just reinstall. You will only lose files if you reformat. Doing an "over-intall" will just fix Windows, and not mess up any of your other files. There may be some settings that get changed, but you won't lose files.

I will give you the same advice I give to every other person I build a computer for: "Install Windows on it's own drive." All apps and file should be on a second drive. You can make a seperate partition on the main drive, but if the drive fails, that's not much help.

Russ



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User currently offlineJamie757 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2171 times:

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 15):
what command for the command prompt should I use in order to be able to boot from the windows cd-rom without having to reformat the whole harddrive?

I think you need to go into your BIOS and set your CD-ROM drive to first boot device, then pop the Windows disc in the drive and restart your machine.

Rgds.


User currently offlineManuCH From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 3011 posts, RR: 47
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2168 times:
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Quoting Jamie757 (Reply 17):
I think you need to go into your BIOS and set your CD-ROM drive to first boot device, then pop the Windows disc in the drive and restart your machine.

Then the PC will quickly display "Press any key to boot from CD-ROM". If you don't, it will try booting from the hard disk and just hang again. So, be quick and press that key when asked for it. Good luck...

-Manuel



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User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2389 posts, RR: 21
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2163 times:

Quoting 777DadandJr (Reply 16):

I will give you the same advice I give to every other person I build a computer for: "Install Windows on it's own drive." All apps and file should be on a second drive. You can make a seperate partition on the main drive, but if the drive fails, that's not much help.

Okay but I do not have a second drive besides my external maxtor harddrive.

Quoting Jamie757 (Reply 17):
I think you need to go into your BIOS and set your CD-ROM drive to first boot device, then pop the Windows disc in the drive and restart your machine.

I tried this already, and the screen goes blank just like if the cd wasn't in the cd drive


User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2389 posts, RR: 21
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2150 times:

When trying to enter command prompt, it tells me this:
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)WINDOWSsystem32ntoskrnl.exe
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)WINDOWSsystem32hal.dll
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)WINDOWSsystem32KDCOM.dll
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)WINDOWSsystem32BOOTVID.dll
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)WINDOWSsystem32configsystem

odd :S


User currently offlineAirbusA346 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2004, 7437 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2150 times:

I don't really know, but I think it might be overheating as well.

Because my laptop was doing it a lot recently and I found the fan was clogged, and it know works fine.

Tom.



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User currently offlineManuCH From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 3011 posts, RR: 47
Reply 22, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2146 times:
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Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 19):
I tried this already, and the screen goes blank just like if the cd wasn't in the cd drive

First of all, make sure you press "any key" when prompted to do so, otherwise it won't boot from CD.

If you're not even prompted to press any key to boot from CD, try this: does your PC boot from the CD if you physically disconnect the hard disk? If yes, the hard disk's logic board might be fried.

If it still doesn't boot, even if you disconnect the hard disk, it could the mainboard's IDE controller.

Both are bad and can't be replaced... I mean, unless you replace the hard disk or the entire mainboard.

Edit: I've just seen now that you're getting the "multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)WINDOWSsystem32ntoskrnl.exe" messages ... which means the hard disk is alive somehow. Try harder to boot from CD, it must be possible at this stage, you just must not miss that "press any key to boot from CD" prompt.

-Manuel

[Edited 2006-06-12 18:53:05]


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User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2389 posts, RR: 21
Reply 23, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2146 times:

Quoting AirbusA346 (Reply 21):
Because my laptop was doing it a lot recently and I found the fan was clogged, and it know works fine.

I just removed all the dust from the fan inside my desktop pc.. didnt seem to help  Sad


User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2389 posts, RR: 21
Reply 24, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2134 times:

Quoting ManuCH (Reply 22):
Edit: I've just seen now that you're getting the "multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)WINDOWSsystem32ntoskrnl.exe" messages ... which means the hard disk is alive somehow. Try harder to boot from CD, it must be possible at this stage, you just must not miss that "press any key to boot from CD" prompt.

Well it doesn't prompt me to press any key


25 Post contains images AC773 : Don't worry about it. I'm sure there are plenty of A.netters willing to share their porn collections with you. Just ask! Have you been able to get in
26 ManuCH : Stupid question: is this a genuine (ie. original) and bootable Windows XP CD? Not some "add on" CD or some not-so-well-made backup copy? If you set t
27 Post contains images AirPacific747 : LOL!! ok thats good! Now all I need to do is to format my harddrive and re-install windows Yes, but it still doesn't help. Yes it is an original copy
28 Rolfen : If you cant boot from the CD then it's a hardware problem. You may need to set up the PC to boot from the CD in the bios first. You need to look in th
29 Post contains images AirPacific747 : I did this already but without any luck! I should try to do what you're describing above, but I will do it later, because I dont have time enough for
30 Rolfen : Just to be sure, not only does the display go blank, but the computer actually freezes, right? Good luck!
31 AirPacific747 : I think so.. I am not able to see what is going on on the screen so it is difficult to tell, but it freezes when trying to enter the command prompt.
32 IFEMaster : If it's just 6 months old, it's probably still under warranty. Give your vendor a call, let them sort it out.
33 AirPacific747 : It is indeed still under warranty, but only if I am able to find the reciept
34 IFEMaster : Who'd you buy it from? Most vendors will be able to bring up date of sale by serial number. Call them and see what they say. I know Dell only require
35 Post contains links and images AirPacific747 : Well I bought it from a scandinavian hardware store called Elgiganten www.elgiganten.dk if you're interested anyway I think that is a good suggestion
36 Post contains images Rolfen : Yeah it should be possible. A friend had the screen of his laptop replaced under warranty althoug he had lost the invoice. I think he used a bank cre
37 Jamie757 : Something to bear in mind as well, is that if they refuse to repair the faulty machine, then in the UK (I'm not sure about Denmark, I'd assume it was
38 AirPacific747 : Thankyou for your advices! I don't know if I can claim my money back this late in the process though, but I will take the computer to the retailer wh
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