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Bush In Iraq!  
User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12150 posts, RR: 49
Posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2106 times:

cnn.com is reporting it on the front page with a story to follow.


You can cut the irony with a knife
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User currently offlineRobertNL070 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2003, 4534 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2092 times:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5076038.stm

Robert



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User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12150 posts, RR: 49
Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2092 times:

Here is another link as well.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/06/13/iraq.main/index.html



You can cut the irony with a knife
User currently offlineTootallsd From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 564 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2092 times:
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Yeah on BBC World here too.

I'm sure there will be some real pearls of wisdom dropped in the tv lights in the coming 5 hours. Anyone still got that Mission Accomplished banner?


User currently offlineDerico From Argentina, joined Dec 1999, 4318 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2085 times:

Few people in the world will find out about it anways this year...  Smile


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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21522 posts, RR: 53
Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2078 times:

He should just stay there and "help out"...!

User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 859 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2069 times:

Watched AF1 land outside Baghdad on CNN. They need to upgrade the AF 742 to 744 or-8, nes pas?

Micke//SWE  Wink



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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2063 times:

And? So?

That means Cheney is in charge here. Now I'm really nervous.  Big grin


User currently offlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 6057 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2059 times:

Oh well, at least he won't be serving plastic turkey to the troops this time around...

User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2049 times:

Quoting Luv2fly (Thread starter):
cnn.com is reporting it on the front page with a story to follow.

I heard about this while I was in the car earlier this morning, via XM Satellite Radio.

All the best to the President on his unannounced trip to Iraq.

I have to say that I suspected something was up about an hour and a half ago when I saw footage of the President walking in the rain to Marine One, unaccompanied and without an umbrella. It seemed very unusual to me. This was before his trip was announced.

By the way, reports say that Air Force One made a mad dash to Iraq about eleven or twelve hours ago. Earlier missions by U.S. dignitaries have seen them board unmarked or ordinary military aircraft to Iraq.

[Edited 2006-06-13 16:01:38]

User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2043 times:

Any minute now, a handful of users will come in here and start whining about how dangerous a move this is for Bush yada yada yada. Too bad he didn't take off from a Carrier to get to Iraq.

User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2038 times:

Quoting KROC (Reply 10):
Any minute now, a handful of users will come in here and start whining about how dangerous a move this is for Bush yada yada yada. Too bad he didn't take off from a Carrier to get to Iraq.

It's true that you can't please everyone, and there are some people (e.g., Bush-haters) in the world who will never be pleased until the end of the President's term -- at the earliest.

I often wish Democrats would criticize their own who go much too far in criticizing the President.

[Edited 2006-06-13 16:07:55]

User currently offlineTexdravid From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1365 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2031 times:

Bush indeed did do the Andrews-Iraq flight overnight and landed about 4pm Iraq time Tuesday.

However, in a sign of confidence (or maybe texas bravado), Bush took a helicopter ride from the airport to the "green" zone. Not exactly a safe ride, given the security situation in Iraq.

Good show, George. On the way back, be sure to celebrate Karl Rove's non-indictment!



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User currently offlineDeltaDC9 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 2844 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2027 times:

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 6):
They need to upgrade the AF 742 to 744 or-8, nes pas?

The two 747s that are referred to as "Air Force One" were speced out when the 747-200 was in production, but since they took about 5 years to build, they are basically 747-400s but without the -400 stretch because the interior was designed for a -200, and they started with -200s off the line.

They have the glass cockpit and most other -400 upgrades. Also, they have very few hours on them and will be like new for a couple decades. With an average of 70 passengers, the larger -400 was not really needed anyway.



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User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2015 times:

Check out the details of the plans for how to get him out in secret...Very, very, very interesting report here!
http://www.drudgereport.com/flash4.htm

[Edited 2006-06-13 16:33:30]

User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2001 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 5):
He should just stay there and "help out"...!

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Quoting Solnabo (Reply 6):
AF 742 to 744 or-8, nes pas?

NO

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 9):
All the best to the President on his unannounced trip to Iraq.

Yeah, good Luck George.. don't set off any IEDs!!

Quoting KROC (Reply 10):
Too bad he didn't take off from a Carrier to get to Iraq.

Oh what so we'd have to look at YET ANOTHER exagerated cod piece???  Yeah sure

Quoting Texdravid (Reply 12):
However, in a sign of confidence (or maybe texas bravado), Bush took a helicopter ride from the airport to the "green" zone. Not exactly a safe ride, given the security situation in Iraq.

I'm with you on this one... he should have taken one of those un-armored humvees that there appear to be so many of..

George, I hope you find Nirvana In Iraq...permanently.


User currently offlineGilligan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2001 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 7):
That means Cheney is in charge here.
No he's not lol. The 25th Amendment doesn't kick in just because he's out of the country. The VP continues his quest for a marksmanship badge and a passing score on the moving target range at Quantico I believe. ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ??

And I think he is helping out just by being there. If here were to take a trip around Baghdad or fly out to one of outlying cities for dinner with the troops that would be an even bigger plus but I'm sure the secret service has vetoed that idea as totally out of the question. But I say bravo for going there. And considering getting al-Zarqawi was a mission, yes they could hang the "mission accomplished" banner again. Just like they were right to do so after they ran Hussien out of power which was the first mission of the war.

edited because i'm sleepy and left half the post out!

[Edited 2006-06-13 16:45:17]

User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1988 times:

Quoting Gilligan (Reply 16):

No he's not lol. The 25th Amendment doesn't kick in just because he's out of the country.

Oh that's right, that only happened with the Regan White house.


User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1980 times:

Quoting Gilligan (Reply 16):
The 25th Amendment doesn't kick in just because he's out of the country.

That's correct. The President remains in charge wherever he is in the world. So much so, in fact, I believe that he continues to travel with "The Football" regardless of where he is.^1

"The Football" is the media's nickname for the attache' case that contains the nuclear launch codes for the United States. It is carried by a Presidential aide who accompanies the President during his travels.

The President has full capability and authority to execute all of his duties regardless of his physical position on the planet.

It's for these and other reasons that Air Force One is sometimes called "The Flying White House".
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1. http://www.usatoday.com/news/washing.../2005-05-05-nuclear-football_x.htm

[Edited 2006-06-13 16:55:35]

User currently offlineDeltaDC9 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 2844 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1956 times:

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 17):
Regan White house.

When did Don Regan get elected? Did I miss something?



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User currently offlineWestWing From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2135 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1941 times:

While the press pool were told about the plans 24 hrs before departure, most of the cabinet was kept in the dark. So the White House trusts members of the press more than their Departmental Secretaries and the Attorney General? That's new.


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User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1931 times:

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 9):
I have to say that I suspected something was up about an hour and a half ago when I saw footage of the President walking in the rain to Marine One, unaccompanied and without an umbrella. It seemed very unusual to me. This was before his trip was announced.

That was him leaving the White House for Camp David. When he left for Iraq, he literally ducked out of a meeting and left Camp David without telling many of his cabinet members.


User currently offlineGilligan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1930 times:

Quoting WestWing (Reply 20):
While the press pool were told about the plans 24 hrs before departure

The cabinet members are mature enough to understand security concerns. People in the press, like David Gregory, are not. They would have cried like babies if not informed in advance.


User currently offlineManuCH From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 3012 posts, RR: 46
Reply 23, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1903 times:
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There was another thread a few hours ago that described planning of a president's trip in great detail. I didn't read it and now I can't find it anymore. Was it moved somewhere? Maybe I'm just blind  Smile or was it deleted?

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User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1897 times:

We now know how the President arrived in Iraq. Here is how I think the President might return home.

Note: In the following I've used an extremely simple, quickly devised code to make it more interesting. Once the method of return has been determined, I will decrypt the message.

Quote:
Falsely claiming past greatness, advertisements placed in unison but without prior approval state loudly, "Marking fifteen glorious, wonderful, fabled years making artistic handicrafts, Hamilton Northern understands brilliant antediluvian art."

The professor expostulated, "A query over ornaments clearly lacks edification."


[Edited 2006-06-13 19:32:09]

25 RJpieces : Where does AF1 stop to refuel on these long flights? I thought they only did inflight refueling in emergencies... It was deleted because I had also po
26 Klaus : Quite the opposite, in fact. It would have been much more risky (bordering on the insane) to take the infamous road from the airport to the "green zo
27 AerospaceFan : It's interesting, isn't it, though, that his visit coincides with the deployment of 70,000 coalition and Iraqi forces throughout affected areas in or
28 ME AVN FAN : What bird is it now ? I mean, to be eaten by the president .............
30 Post contains links ManuCH : Thank you. Very interesting to read... According to this article, AF1 has a range of 6800nm, and Washington-Baghdad has a great circle distance of 54
31 LTBEWR : This is a bigtime political show by Bush, guaranteed to get lots of press coverage for the day. Mainly, it is to make an important political point to
32 AerospaceFan : News alert: Fox News Channel reports that the President left Iraq at 1:50 p.m. Eastern.
33 ME AVN FAN : if whatever positive results from this visit it was worth to be done.
34 Klaus : From all appearances the iraqi people couldn't care less. Much more importantly, it is an attempt to turn around the american political situation and
35 AerospaceFan : If the U.S. actually were "way over" its heads, as you put it, then we'd have rioting in the streets here in Washington, D.C. As it stands, by the co
36 DeltaDC9 : Maybe those were the best facilites available? Seeing that Iraq has not had thier government in place long, how do we even know what facilites they h
37 Post contains images Klaus : Actually, for that question it is next to irrelevant how the american population feels. • The USA are on the defensive in Iraq, effectively unable
38 NWA742 : By a powerful politician, no doubt. Shocking. -NWA742
39 Luv2fly : News flash we are talking about Bush after all. Powerful, please!
40 Cptkrell : Typical A.net "A vs B" polarization with only a few rational comments. If Pres. Bush had not made a trip, people would ask why he doesn't care. If he
41 NWA742 : We are talking about President Bush, and yes, he is a powerful man. Presidents of this country, lame duck or not, are still powerful. -NWA742
42 DLKAPA : There goes that secret.
43 Itsjustme : Very true. He is destroying two countries simultaneously. To accomplish that does, indeed, take a powerful person.
44 AerospaceFan : Since it has now been determined how the President left Iraq, I will decrypt the message I posted earlier, as follows: Here is how to decipher the abo
45 AerospaceFan : Klaus, thank you for your comprehensive response. Here is my reply. I disagree with that contention, since in this kind of war, it is the belief of th
46 Gilligan : I was under the impression that AF1 was equipped to aerial refuel. Am I wrong about that? Perhaps he wanted to meet with another leader in the middle
47 AerospaceFan : The CNN report in question as a whole lasted about five minutes, and I haven't heard or read anything about the details of the return trip since the
48 Post contains images Malmoaviation : It's good that the Iraqi spotters get some BIG aircraft at their home airport No seriously, I don't know to much about the Iraqi war, only thing I hop
49 ME AVN FAN : I have read some reports about this visit. If positive, it will help the Republicans to persevere and maintain their majority in the US-congress. I wo
50 AerospaceFan : It sure would be nice to hear more good things about and from the Bush Administration. This past week has been positive, as you've noted.
51 Klaus : The ultimate withdrawal is merely the acknowledgment of an untenable situation. In the domestic view it may be the overriding issue, but "on the grou
52 AerospaceFan : That's not the conclusion that one should draw from such a statement, particularly because the United States has always expressly said that it desire
53 Klaus : One also tries to avoid trampling the flowers in a garden, but even if you do, it's not really important. And that consistent display of disregard fo
54 AerospaceFan : It's the domestic effect that matters, however. Recall that your argument evolved from your contention at hand, to my response, which was: The issue
55 Klaus : Thank you so far, but this will take a bit of time and I need to get some work done, so I'll come back to this later.
56 AerospaceFan : Your statement, above, contains many unsupported premises, and included among them, among others, are: (i.) That what the U.S. does by employing prec
57 AerospaceFan : Klaus, what's the deal? Your message is blank.
58 Klaus : It was just an accidental mis-post which belonged elsewhere. I haven't forgotten to respond, but didn't have the time yet. I've already requested dele
59 AerospaceFan : Okay. Thanks for the clarification, Klaus. And in that case, I would hope that my inquiry (Reply No. 58) and this message (Reply No. 60) as well are
60 UH60FtRucker : Why... WHY... can't you just say what you want to say!? Why do you feel the need to use 500 words to say something that can be said in 10!? Why do yo
61 YOWza : Isn't he always in charge? As for Bush, well I'll only bother watching any footage of this latest tax-payer funded safari if he sturts around in a fl
62 Cairo : Among America's traditional friends and neutrals, it makes America look arrogant and sloppy - it creates disappointment that a country with so much p
63 Post contains images Klaus : Only almost...! I'll come back when I've recovered the strength for a suitable response to the original post(s).
64 AerospaceFan : Thanks for your response, UH, but we have different styles of writing. To Klaus: I look forward to your further response.
65 Post contains images Klaus : Okay, so I finally get around to clearing out my argumentative backlog. Whether it'll be worth the wait is another question, but I've never given guar
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