Luv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 11957 posts, RR: 51 Reply 2, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1579 times:
Tootallsd From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 542 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1579 times:
Yeah on BBC World here too.
I'm sure there will be some real pearls of wisdom dropped in the tv lights in the coming 5 hours. Anyone still got that Mission Accomplished banner?
AerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 9, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1536 times:
Quoting Luv2fly (Thread starter): cnn.com is reporting it on the front page with a story to follow.
I heard about this while I was in the car earlier this morning, via XM Satellite Radio.
All the best to the President on his unannounced trip to Iraq.
I have to say that I suspected something was up about an hour and a half ago when I saw footage of the President walking in the rain to Marine One, unaccompanied and without an umbrella. It seemed very unusual to me. This was before his trip was announced.
By the way, reports say that Air Force One made a mad dash to Iraq about eleven or twelve hours ago. Earlier missions by U.S. dignitaries have seen them board unmarked or ordinary military aircraft to Iraq.
KROC From United States of America, joined May 2000, 19737 posts, RR: 76 Reply 10, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1530 times:
Any minute now, a handful of users will come in here and start whining about how dangerous a move this is for Bush yada yada yada. Too bad he didn't take off from a Carrier to get to Iraq.
"Never tell anybody outside the family what you're thinking again"
AerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 11, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1525 times:
Quoting KROC (Reply 10): Any minute now, a handful of users will come in here and start whining about how dangerous a move this is for Bush yada yada yada. Too bad he didn't take off from a Carrier to get to Iraq.
It's true that you can't please everyone, and there are some people (e.g., Bush-haters) in the world who will never be pleased until the end of the President's term -- at the earliest.
I often wish Democrats would criticize their own who go much too far in criticizing the President.
Texdravid From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1266 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1518 times:
Bush indeed did do the Andrews-Iraq flight overnight and landed about 4pm Iraq time Tuesday.
However, in a sign of confidence (or maybe texas bravado), Bush took a helicopter ride from the airport to the "green" zone. Not exactly a safe ride, given the security situation in Iraq.
Good show, George. On the way back, be sure to celebrate Karl Rove's non-indictment!
DeltaDC9 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 2844 posts, RR: 4 Reply 13, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1514 times:
Quoting Solnabo (Reply 6): They need to upgrade the AF 742 to 744 or-8, nes pas?
The two 747s that are referred to as "Air Force One" were speced out when the 747-200 was in production, but since they took about 5 years to build, they are basically 747-400s but without the -400 stretch because the interior was designed for a -200, and they started with -200s off the line.
They have the glass cockpit and most other -400 upgrades. Also, they have very few hours on them and will be like new for a couple decades. With an average of 70 passengers, the larger -400 was not really needed anyway.
Dont take life too seriously because you will never get out of it alive - Bugs Bunny
Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 9): All the best to the President on his unannounced trip to Iraq.
Yeah, good Luck George.. don't set off any IEDs!!
Quoting KROC (Reply 10): Too bad he didn't take off from a Carrier to get to Iraq.
Oh what so we'd have to look at YET ANOTHER exagerated cod piece???
Quoting Texdravid (Reply 12): However, in a sign of confidence (or maybe texas bravado), Bush took a helicopter ride from the airport to the "green" zone. Not exactly a safe ride, given the security situation in Iraq.
I'm with you on this one... he should have taken one of those un-armored humvees that there appear to be so many of..
George, I hope you find Nirvana In Iraq...permanently.
Gilligan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 16, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1488 times:
Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 7): That means Cheney is in charge here.
No he's not lol. The 25th Amendment doesn't kick in just because he's out of the country. The VP continues his quest for a marksmanship badge and a passing score on the moving target range at Quantico I believe. ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ??
And I think he is helping out just by being there. If here were to take a trip around Baghdad or fly out to one of outlying cities for dinner with the troops that would be an even bigger plus but I'm sure the secret service has vetoed that idea as totally out of the question. But I say bravo for going there. And considering getting al-Zarqawi was a mission, yes they could hang the "mission accomplished" banner again. Just like they were right to do so after they ran Hussien out of power which was the first mission of the war.
edited because i'm sleepy and left half the post out!
AerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 18, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1467 times:
Quoting Gilligan (Reply 16): The 25th Amendment doesn't kick in just because he's out of the country.
That's correct. The President remains in charge wherever he is in the world. So much so, in fact, I believe that he continues to travel with "The Football" regardless of where he is.^1
"The Football" is the media's nickname for the attache' case that contains the nuclear launch codes for the United States. It is carried by a Presidential aide who accompanies the President during his travels.
The President has full capability and authority to execute all of his duties regardless of his physical position on the planet.
It's for these and other reasons that Air Force One is sometimes called "The Flying White House".
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DeltaDC9 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 2844 posts, RR: 4 Reply 19, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1443 times:
WestWing From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2112 posts, RR: 8 Reply 20, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1428 times:
While the press pool were told about the plans 24 hrs before departure, most of the cabinet was kept in the dark. So the White House trusts members of the press more than their Departmental Secretaries and the Attorney General? That's new.
The best time to plant a tree is 40 years ago. The second best time is today.
RJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 21, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1418 times:
Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 9): I have to say that I suspected something was up about an hour and a half ago when I saw footage of the President walking in the rain to Marine One, unaccompanied and without an umbrella. It seemed very unusual to me. This was before his trip was announced.
That was him leaving the White House for Camp David. When he left for Iraq, he literally ducked out of a meeting and left Camp David without telling many of his cabinet members.
Gilligan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 22, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1417 times:
Quoting WestWing (Reply 20): While the press pool were told about the plans 24 hrs before departure
The cabinet members are mature enough to understand security concerns. People in the press, like David Gregory, are not. They would have cried like babies if not informed in advance.
ManuCH From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 2971 posts, RR: 51 Reply 23, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 1390 times:
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There was another thread a few hours ago that described planning of a president's trip in great detail. I didn't read it and now I can't find it anymore. Was it moved somewhere? Maybe I'm just blind or was it deleted?
AerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 24, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 1384 times:
We now know how the President arrived in Iraq. Here is how I think the President might return home.
Note: In the following I've used an extremely simple, quickly devised code to make it more interesting. Once the method of return has been determined, I will decrypt the message.
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The professor expostulated, "A query over ornaments clearly lacks edification."
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25 RJpieces: Where does AF1 stop to refuel on these long flights? I thought they only did inflight refueling in emergencies... It was deleted because I had also po
26 Klaus: Quite the opposite, in fact. It would have been much more risky (bordering on the insane) to take the infamous road from the airport to the "green zo
27 AerospaceFan: It's interesting, isn't it, though, that his visit coincides with the deployment of 70,000 coalition and Iraqi forces throughout affected areas in or
28 ME AVN FAN: What bird is it now ? I mean, to be eaten by the president .............
30 ManuCH: Thank you. Very interesting to read... According to this article, AF1 has a range of 6800nm, and Washington-Baghdad has a great circle distance of 54
31 LTBEWR: This is a bigtime political show by Bush, guaranteed to get lots of press coverage for the day. Mainly, it is to make an important political point to
32 AerospaceFan: News alert: Fox News Channel reports that the President left Iraq at 1:50 p.m. Eastern.
33 ME AVN FAN: if whatever positive results from this visit it was worth to be done.
34 Klaus: From all appearances the iraqi people couldn't care less. Much more importantly, it is an attempt to turn around the american political situation and
35 AerospaceFan: If the U.S. actually were "way over" its heads, as you put it, then we'd have rioting in the streets here in Washington, D.C. As it stands, by the co
36 DeltaDC9: Maybe those were the best facilites available? Seeing that Iraq has not had thier government in place long, how do we even know what facilites they h
37 Klaus: Actually, for that question it is next to irrelevant how the american population feels. • The USA are on the defensive in Iraq, effectively unable
38 NWA742: By a powerful politician, no doubt. Shocking. -NWA742
39 Luv2fly: News flash we are talking about Bush after all. Powerful, please!
40 Cptkrell: Typical A.net "A vs B" polarization with only a few rational comments. If Pres. Bush had not made a trip, people would ask why he doesn't care. If he
41 NWA742: We are talking about President Bush, and yes, he is a powerful man. Presidents of this country, lame duck or not, are still powerful. -NWA742
43 Itsjustme: Very true. He is destroying two countries simultaneously. To accomplish that does, indeed, take a powerful person.
44 AerospaceFan: Since it has now been determined how the President left Iraq, I will decrypt the message I posted earlier, as follows: Here is how to decipher the abo
45 AerospaceFan: Klaus, thank you for your comprehensive response. Here is my reply. I disagree with that contention, since in this kind of war, it is the belief of th
46 Gilligan: I was under the impression that AF1 was equipped to aerial refuel. Am I wrong about that? Perhaps he wanted to meet with another leader in the middle
47 AerospaceFan: The CNN report in question as a whole lasted about five minutes, and I haven't heard or read anything about the details of the return trip since the
48 Malmoaviation: It's good that the Iraqi spotters get some BIG aircraft at their home airport No seriously, I don't know to much about the Iraqi war, only thing I hop
49 ME AVN FAN: I have read some reports about this visit. If positive, it will help the Republicans to persevere and maintain their majority in the US-congress. I wo
50 AerospaceFan: It sure would be nice to hear more good things about and from the Bush Administration. This past week has been positive, as you've noted.
51 Klaus: The ultimate withdrawal is merely the acknowledgment of an untenable situation. In the domestic view it may be the overriding issue, but "on the grou
52 AerospaceFan: That's not the conclusion that one should draw from such a statement, particularly because the United States has always expressly said that it desire
53 Klaus: One also tries to avoid trampling the flowers in a garden, but even if you do, it's not really important. And that consistent display of disregard fo
54 AerospaceFan: It's the domestic effect that matters, however. Recall that your argument evolved from your contention at hand, to my response, which was: The issue
55 Klaus: Thank you so far, but this will take a bit of time and I need to get some work done, so I'll come back to this later.
56 AerospaceFan: Your statement, above, contains many unsupported premises, and included among them, among others, are: (i.) That what the U.S. does by employing prec
57 AerospaceFan: Klaus, what's the deal? Your message is blank.
58 Klaus: It was just an accidental mis-post which belonged elsewhere. I haven't forgotten to respond, but didn't have the time yet. I've already requested dele
59 AerospaceFan: Okay. Thanks for the clarification, Klaus. And in that case, I would hope that my inquiry (Reply No. 58) and this message (Reply No. 60) as well are
60 UH60FtRucker: Why... WHY... can't you just say what you want to say!? Why do you feel the need to use 500 words to say something that can be said in 10!? Why do yo
61 YOWza: Isn't he always in charge? As for Bush, well I'll only bother watching any footage of this latest tax-payer funded safari if he sturts around in a fl
62 Cairo: Among America's traditional friends and neutrals, it makes America look arrogant and sloppy - it creates disappointment that a country with so much p
63 Klaus: Only almost...! I'll come back when I've recovered the strength for a suitable response to the original post(s).
64 AerospaceFan: Thanks for your response, UH, but we have different styles of writing. To Klaus: I look forward to your further response.
65 Klaus: Okay, so I finally get around to clearing out my argumentative backlog. Whether it'll be worth the wait is another question, but I've never given guar
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