N863DA From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 48 posts, RR: 6 Posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1156 times:
This is a polite request to all of you (but mostly to non-Americans) to please stop being quite so rude about the USA - and North America as a whole.
We make a polite request... the majority of us are every bit as mellow and laid back as the rest of the world... we may have slightly different values... but why do you think only 19% of our population votes? Because the rest don't care. This would indicate that we are infact a very laid back nation.
The United States also has differing views on Politics (we are the last great Right Wing nation left) and differing views on religion (we are obsessed with it in general) than the rest of the world. But that's no reason to attack us at every waking moment! In short, please can't we just put aside our differences and stop making America (the Great) the greatest evil on the face of the Earth?
This is a polite request, as some particular Southern Hemisphere residents have been having quite a go at the US recently. Please, we're not bashing Australia, we don't want to start a fight, we don't want trouble, we just want to get along.
We have done exceptionally well at this years Olympics, and to give Australia its props, your nation has handled the Sydney games far better than we did in Atlanta. (I was there for most of the KATL games) Lots of nations have been doing very well. I find it somewhat sad however that the Australians, who have also been doing very well, feel the need to go at an entire nation because of a couple of incidents involving some dubious contenders.
But I also find it ironic in some respects that people in the rest of the world blame us for being Insular and Patriotic... but if saying that Australia is perfect and is the #1 place in the world to live isn't being immensely patriotic and just a little arrogant at the same time, then I have no idea what is. It's acceptable (in fact good) to be proud of where you come from. But to stand up and denounce the rest of the world when they didn't say Boo to a Goose is downright out of order.
Also, let me point out that what we did to Native Americans, the Australians are also guilty of... just trying to redeem a level playing field here. I am not blowing our trumpet, but each country on this earth has contributed to the well-being of the planet. The two most influential (the UK long ago & the US) remain the greatest evils in the world, and this is bad, but we must remember, (especially Aussies and others) that the Brits put you there in the first place, and us here in the US too.
Iainhol From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 2, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1032 times:
The US is a great country; I have lived here for 6 years and really enjoy it! The people out here are really nice! The US is one of the few countries where you can go from welfare to very wealthy. I think Biggie Smalls put it the best 'Birthdays where the worst days, Now we drink champagne when we are thirsty!'
My only complaint about the US is stuff like in the US history books. It comes across that the US won both wars to the losing allies. From studying WW2 in both the UK and the US it seems that the war was very hard on the allies but they where doing OK, but the help was welcomed. In WW1 it seems that the allies had pretty much finished the job and the US came in. These are just my understanding of the situations!
But for all the US has to offer I can happily live with that!!!!
N863DA From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 48 posts, RR: 6 Reply 3, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1025 times:
I was just looking over a post that you posted a couple of weeks ago, it sounds like you and I are even more similar... I LOVE Rowntrees Fruit Gums too!!!! They are definately my favorite candy on either side of the Atlantic. (My mom, in the UK, sent me some over (10 packs) a couple of days ago so that was cool!!)
Anyways, I agree with you on the history part. From a UK perspective, the US certainly played their part, but mainly from a supply point of view. (The UK would have lost by sheer lack of food.) They provided troops sure, and did help a lot, but they did not win the war in Europe single-handedly. The UK certainly had a lot to do with it. (not least because that's who they were defending...)
And they don't call the US the 'Land of opportunity' for nothing! PS. I would still rather be in your position right now going back to the UK. I am relatively comfortable here now, but English 'comforts' still seem to appeal to me bigtime!
Iainhol From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 4, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1016 times:
Buddy I am sure in 14 weeks and 1 day I will say the same thing when I am running to catch the train, in the freezing cold. Fruit gums are good, english sweets are some of the best. I took a tour of the Mars factory many years ago and we could eat the sweets right of the belt they where really yummy! Not only I am looking forward to the sweets I am looking forward to the pubs! And the world news which we do not get out here!
Sn330 From Belgium, joined Nov 2004, 16 posts, RR: 1 Reply 5, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 991 times:
I agree with you, but sometimes we (i am an american) all need to laugh at ourselves, don't you think?
Also, does anybody know where I can get some Rowntree's Fruit Pastilles in Dallas. The store I used to buy them from went out of business, and I still remember the great taste of them. (Better than Mixed Fruit Mentos any day)
N863DA From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 48 posts, RR: 6 Reply 7, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 973 times:
I don't know of any stores outside of Florida & Georgia that sell UK foods... there must be loads, but I don't venture out of those two states too often... but there is one store about two or three hours from KDAB - in KSRQ, which sells all the British candy.... Fruit Gums, Fruit Pastilles, Aero bars, and it even has Heinz Baked Beans and Salad Cream!!! The best savory foods in the world!!! (Obviously not together tho...)
BTW. If you want to mail order British foods, you can, from BBC America - at http://www.bbcamerica.com -they sell all the British candies, the teas (PGTips are the best) and even Marmite (YUM!) and Twiglets (if you like Marmite twiglets are implied...) and they deliver them to your door. They ain't cheap tho.... they're like a buck & a half for a pack of Fruit Gums. They also sells cookies (*biscuits*) to go with Tea!!! Super yummy.
I'm like a kid when I go shopping for English food down south!
VirginLover From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 958 posts, RR: 15 Reply 8, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 962 times:
I have an idea: How about no country bashing posts? So no one feels left out
Iainhol (and for once, I'm not trying to be sarcastic) The textbook thing is true in other countries. Every country is a little bit ethnocentric. I'm guessing England doesn't teach the Revolutionary War the same way- and I bet India teaches the imperalistic ways of the British differently than the British do. (Not trying to rat on the British, just using the examples that pop in my head) So everywhere you go, you're gonna find a different opinion.
N863DA From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 48 posts, RR: 6 Reply 9, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 955 times:
To VirginLover, RE: some of your other posts, since you seem to have an unjustified veciferous hatred of Iainhol, either lighten up or let it go.... he's a nice guy (he likes fruit gums so he's OK in my book!....) and as far as the search feature goes, as far as I can assertain he seems to have done little if anything to warrant you being so upset. So just ease off or lighten up - please.
Again, can't we all just get along?. You know what? I think I heard that somewhere before.
Hamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2687 posts, RR: 59 Reply 11, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 947 times:
I can't agree with you guys more when it comes to the view of history by each individual country. Speaking specifically of WWII, I don't think either country (either here in the U.S. or the British) will give credit to the country who truly stopped Hitler - Russia. They lost more men, and killed more German soldiers, than all the allies put together.
Think of it this way; does China teach their children that Communism is something to be scared of? Do Native Americans teach their children that their ancient beliefs are archaic and silly?
Here's to respecting everyone's beliefs, no matter how much they differ from your own!!
Brissie_lions From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 13, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 938 times:
There is a big difference between the wrestlers that Mx5 is talking about and the relay runners you are talking about. Why?
Because the relay runners did this in good fun, and in fact, the crowd were encouraging them (they said this themselves when they appeared on Roy and H.G.'s show "The Dream"). And I, myself, do not doubt that.
The wrestlers were downright rude in their display (I am going on what Mx5 has said, as I didn't see it myself).
There is a big difference in having fun, and being outright arrogant towards a crowd which has paid good money to see you perform.
On something else;
On the show I just mentioned, The Dream, they had two of the relay runners on last night (BTW..I understand that NBC is showing this program). Roy and H.G. and these two Yanks were cracking jokes with one another.
At one stage Roy said this "We have nothing against the Americans.....on an individual basis.....but when they are en masse it is a different story". You know what? These two guys wholeheartedly agreed, and even went on to say that compared to us Aussies that Americans are very emotionally uptight, whereas we are more laidback and always looking for a laugh and good time. These guys said that being in Syderney has been great in that respect, and that our laid-back look at life and attitude has helped them, not only fit-in, but also to be more relaxed so that they can perform well.
These two runners, also went on to say something that I said in another thread. That (in general) Americans should take some time laugh at themselves.
I could've sworn that these two had been reading all of our ramblings here.
On our cultures and that.
Our cultures are very similar, but in the most part, they are gulfs apart. Just look at our television and film to see what I mean.
We have here in Australia what we call either the yobbo or the ocker element. This was shown at the Olympics when there was a male streaker (who wasn't much to look at might I add) at one of the soccer matches. Just twenty minutes ago, because of high winds, they have had to delay the final events in the rowing/sculls/etc. Because the crowd was getting restless, a few people decided to swim across the lake and take over the medal podium. The police stood by and watched these 3 guys and 1 gal for a while, until it was announced that they were getting ready to start, upon which the cops approached them and ask them to move (in which case they proceeded to swim back across the lake....oh yeah....two of the guys were wearing speedos as well )
It is this sense of fun which I think most Aussie aspire to, and this extends to our pisstaking of other people (just ask the Kiwis about this), because we know we do it in good fun and humour, and when the *favour* is returned we also take it the same way, with no offence taken. This is our ocker attitude towards life (this attitude was shown in the opening ceremony with the lawn mowers, tap dancers, and other bits and pieces).
And as I have mentioned before, I have nothing against the general American population, except when it comes to sport, in which case it is all out war.
Surf From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 15, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 935 times:
Brissie I'm sorry there is nothing rude about that wrestler who cried becuase of what happened nothing at all. I think you and MX boy are both wrong. I like you and Mx but there's been some attitude about the Olympics and the USA lately, that is quite unappealing.
Surf From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 16, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 926 times:
If you are referring to what I said about the USA in the other thread, it is true. Tell me what about it is not true? It IS true, comepletely. The USA isn't "chosen" like you say. That's just the way it is.
Brissie_lions From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 17, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 927 times:
Surf...sorry that wasn't meant for you in particular. It was for everyone.
Let me correct myself on one point.
I was not having a go at the guy for crying. Hell, he has worked hard for 4 years to win gold and had his dream shattered. But he should still be proud in silver.
However, I do have a problem with the other guy that Mx5 was talking about; the one who totally ignored the crowd. I would find that very insulting indeed, and would have too joined in on the boo-ing of him. That kind of display shows bad sportmanship, and I am sure one would agree with me, right?
Surf From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 20, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 915 times:
Okay I just saw what I think was one of the wrestling matches. It was Sammy Henson (US) versus the wrestler from Azerbaijan, right? Sammy lost by one point, but the wrestler was CLEARLY fouling Sammy by grabbing his singlet. It was plainly obvious, BLATANTLY obvious, they showed it in slow motion replay even (but it was so obvious they really didn't need to). No WONDER Sammy was PISSED. The referee didn't eve call it. So this was the one where Sammy ran out of the venue? They haven't showed the medal ceromonies yet. Well his behavior probably could have been better, no, it really could have been. But I do understand why he was so salty!
VirginLover From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 958 posts, RR: 15 Reply 22, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 902 times:
N863DA: LOL... in my last post on this topic, I wasn't trying to be mean to Iainhol- and the fact that I stated was true- not meant to hurt anyone. C'mon, do you think England teaches the Revolutionary War the same as America does? What was so offensive about that post?
(And by the way, I get angry at people, such as Iainhol, when they quote me with something that I didn't say. That makes me very PO'ed, and I have a right to be)
Sn330 From Belgium, joined Nov 2004, 16 posts, RR: 1 Reply 23, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 871 times:
I think Hamlet69 said it best. We all need to respect one another for who we are. It doesn't matter if you absolutely hate the guy, at least respect him. This issue of respect is very personal to me, as during grade school, despite the fact that I was nice to everybody, people just constantly harassed me, although I had done nothing to them. I didn't want them to be my friends, all I wanted was for them to respect enough to just leave me alone.
Steman From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 1299 posts, RR: 8 Reply 24, posted (13 years 2 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 851 times:
when I read this topic first I thought it was referred to all of us in general but I think it has become a discussion between Yankees and Aussies.
Please forgive my ignorance but I never knew that you were so different, I always thought that British, Americans, Canadians and Australians were almost the same nation differing just for few things.
And I always loved all of your Countries because of your way of life. I must be honest, there are some things I don't like at all of you but these are not specific to Americans or Australians as I can find them in Italy too.
Talking about teaching history, do you know how many importance we give to the Roman Empire in our schools?
In some schools we have to study that period for two years! And usually we just read something about American revolution or Australian colonization. However we study very well British history 'cause it is linked with Italian history.
25 Lax2000: I don' take USA bashing personally at all. In fact I bash the USA at least once a day. The US athletes in the Olympics were totally lame. It was as if