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Official 2006 US Open Thread  
User currently offlineHPLASOps From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1423 times:

I was out of town, so I'm getting a late start on this thread. Winged Foot Golf Club in NY is the host this year, a course last featured as the host of the 1997 PGA Championship won by Davis Love III. As usual, the rough is going to be brutal, and as the list of past champions indicate, the USGA will suceed again in setting up the course too difficult to be fair, producing a fluke champion. By the way, for all you Steve Jones fans out there, this is the last year of his 10 year exemption from his lottery win.

As you may or may not have heard, the 1974 US Open was known as the "Massacre at Winged Foot." It will be special watching this one with my father as he played in that US Open, and even submitted a couple of quotes to authors regarding the experience. Here's a quote I found from one website:

Quote:
Bruce Ashworth, U.S. Open alternate who now lives in Las Vegas: I took Sam Snead’s place. I didn’t find out I was in until five o’clock Wednesday night. I was in Las Vegas at my brother’s ranch helping bale some hay, then got on a plane at seven o’clock that evening and landed in New York around 3 a.m. I got to the course for a 10 o’clock tee time on virtually no sleep.

It was the longest course I had played in my life [6,961 yards, 31 yards longer than the yardage for the U.S. Open at Winged Foot 15 years later]. There were four par 4s I couldn’t reach. The first hole put me in a state of shock. Somehow I drove it down the middle and hit a 4-iron approach in the left fringe. I hit a nice little chip that caught the top of the hole and lipped out. I thought, ‘Well, I’ve got a 3-footer for par.’ I put the wedge back in my bag, pulled out my putter and looked up. No ball. It was off the front of the green, 60 feet away. Then I made a fool of myself and left the 60-footer 30 feet short.

http://www.usopen.com/news/wf_massacre.html

He also told me on that Thursday night, a reporter caught him on the way to the driving range after a brutal round. The reporter asked "Trying to put in alot of practice for tomorrow?" My dad replied "I don't need practice - I need a miracle."

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User currently offlineLonghornmaniac From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 3243 posts, RR: 45
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1417 times:

Was I hallucinating, or was Winged Foot one course in which no one finished under par in the US Open at one point or another? Is that what the Winged Foot Massacre was?

Cheers,
Cameron


User currently offlineHPLASOps From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1413 times:

Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 1):
Was I hallucinating, or was Winged Foot one course in which no one finished under par in the US Open at one point or another? Is that what the Winged Foot Massacre was?

It was, Hale Irwin won with a score of +7. If you come across the highlight film from that year, pay attention to how they never mention a player's total score until it's over. They'll mention pars, birdies, bogies, and if a player was 2 or 3 back, but no mentioning of the total score. The USGA was embarrassed by that tournament, though they'll never mention it.


User currently offlineLonghornmaniac From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 3243 posts, RR: 45
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1410 times:

HAHA! Thats hard to believe. I remember watching some major (which are usually the only ones I watch) within the past 5 or so years where no one was under par. Thats really interesting though about how they didn't mention the score at all. Thanks for the insight!

Cheers,
Cameron


User currently offlineAirwave From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1117 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1405 times:

Cool! Glad to see a thread for this tourney! The US Open will always have a special place in my heart and my TV lineup, lol.

Quoting HPLASOps (Thread starter):
It will be special watching this one with my father as he played in that US Open, and even submitted a couple of quotes to authors regarding the experience.

That's really incredible. Good on him!

Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 1):
Was I hallucinating, or was Winged Foot one course in which no one finished under par in the US Open at one point or another?

Yeah, it was the 1974 Open that did everybody in. Only winner Hale Irwin and one or two other players managed to break 290.

Of course, the flip side to that was the 1998 PGA Championship, where Davis Love III owned Winged Foot with a final tally of 11-under.

I hope for the sake of everybody that the course falls somewhere in between over the next few days. Maybe a *slight* tendency toward 1974, though...

As for who I think may have a chance, I'll go with Zach Johnson, with Adam Scott as the long shot. I'll probably refine that after tomorrow's rounds, so we'll see...


Airwave  eyebrow 



When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.
User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1405 times:

After walking the course last year at Pinehurst it is getting about damn ridiculous what the USGA does with the courses. You have to bring a hound just to find your ball if you go into the rough, the greens are off the Stimpmeter, and par is never to be found.

I guess they have ignored the Constitutional Amendment against cruel and unusual punishment.

Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 3):
I remember watching some major (which are usually the only ones I watch) within the past 5 or so years where no one was under par.

Most likely the US Open. The Masters and PGA always produce scores under par and the British Open depends on which way the wind is blowing for whether you shoot under par or not.



"If you can't delight in the misery of others then you don't deserve to be a college football fan."
User currently offlineCOrocks From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1372 times:

It amazes me that Mickelson is getting no respect going into the tournament. The "experts" have mostly picked Woods and Goosen. Geez, Mickelson has won two majors in a row, and contended in the last few US Opens yet no one is picking him. If Woods had won the last two in a row, the media would be all in a fit. I don't know how they can pick Woods. He has not really contended in the last few majors, has had a 9-week layoff, and is probably an emotional wreck. It is just all hype.

Shows what the experts know - both Woods and Goosen are +7 so far.

Phil looks to be in a good spot at even.


User currently offlineAirwave From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1117 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 1368 times:

Quoting COrocks (Reply 6):
It amazes me that Mickelson is getting no respect going into the tournament. The "experts" have mostly picked Woods and Goosen

After watching Woods today, I'd be surprised if he breaks the top 10 come Sunday. His putter has been awful for him.

Quoting COrocks (Reply 6):
Shows what the experts know - both Woods and Goosen are +7 so far.

 checkmark 

Quoting COrocks (Reply 6):
Phil looks to be in a good spot at even.

From what I saw of it, Winged Foot seems to be playing more towards 1974 than 1997. Considering the scores posted to the leaderboard, the handful of people at even or better can really pat themselves on the back with this one. I wonder what the cut will be posted at tomorrow? Perhaps around +5 or 6?


Airwave  eyebrow 



When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.
User currently offlineHPLASOps From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 1363 times:

Good ol' Monty stands alone at 1 under after day 1. David Howell had a chance to post a better score but 3 putted 18 for a double bogey and a score of 70.

Quoting Airwave (Reply 7):
I wonder what the cut will be posted at tomorrow? Perhaps around +5 or 6?

Typically, Day 1 tends to be the best scoring day in a US Open. I wouldn't think anyone would get lower than 2 or 3 under, meaning the cut would have to be at least as high at 7 or 8 over, maybe higher if they don't get 60 players within 10 shots.

Quoting Airwave (Reply 7):
After watching Woods today, I'd be surprised if he breaks the top 10 come Sunday. His putter has been awful for him.

The most annoying part of being of golf fan is watching Woods shooting a shitty opening a round, knowing he'll play a quality second round to make the cut and then go low on the weekend to backdoor a top 10. It probably won't happen, but it would be a pleasant surprise to see Woods not play well on Friday, miss the cut and let others have the spotlight on a major. Even Nicklaus missed a cut here and there in his prime. Tiger was foolish to make the US Open his first tournament after a 3 month layoff. He's not Bruce Lietzke for crying out loud. Playing the Memorial would have been better for him.

Quoting COrocks (Reply 6):
It amazes me that Mickelson is getting no respect going into the tournament.

Ask the defending champion, Michael Campbell, how much respect he's getting compared to Mickleson. I think Philbert is getting his just due right now.


Quoting COrocks (Reply 6):
Shows what the experts know - both Woods and Goosen are +7 so far.

And Els would have been +6 had it not been for a miraculous eagle on the 9th hole to finish his round today. Let the "experts" take Tiger, Phil, Vijay, and Retief, I'll gladly take the field. By the way, you won't find any "experts" from ESPN or NBC. NBC has always had the worst golf broadcast team, and ESPN embarrasses the telecast by bringing in Karl Ravech and Chris Berman. Even Andy North isn't worth his weight in bs. I could've easily broken my tv a dozen times today between all the dumb things those guys said. Can't they just stick with football and baseball and be happy?


User currently offlineAirwave From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1117 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 1351 times:

Quoting HPLASOps (Reply 8):
it would be a pleasant surprise to see Woods not play well on Friday, miss the cut and let others have the spotlight on a major. Even Nicklaus missed a cut here and there in his prime. Tiger was foolish to make the US Open his first tournament after a 3 month layoff.

 checkmark  The only part of Tiger I want to see on Sunday is his Nike Father's Day commercial.

Quoting HPLASOps (Reply 8):
By the way, you won't find any "experts" from ESPN or NBC. NBC has always had the worst golf broadcast team, and ESPN embarrasses the telecast by bringing in Karl Ravech and Chris Berman. Even Andy North isn't worth his weight in bs. I could've easily broken my tv a dozen times today between all the dumb things those guys said. Can't they just stick with football and baseball and be happy?

 rotfl 


Airwave  eyebrow 



When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.
User currently offlineHPLASOps From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 1340 times:

Instead of posting the entire leaderboard (156 players - just too many - I will for the weekend), I will highlight today's round by instead listing some notable names who beat Tiger's score of 76:

Jeev Milkha Singh - 73
Charl Schwartzel - 74
Keiichiro Fukabori - 75
Steve Jones - 74
Philip Archer - 72
Kenneth Ferrie - 71
Jason Dufner - 72
Bo Van Pelt - 72
Andy Morse - 74
Duffy Waldorf - 75

Nice round Tiger.


User currently offlineHPLASOps From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1318 times:

Steve Stricker leads after 36 with a score of -1. Colin Montgomerie is one behind at level par and Kenneth Ferrie and Geoff Ogilvy two behind at +1. The cut fell at +9 149 with 63 players surviving to the weekend.

Duval has the tournament's lowest round with a 68 to put him in the clubhouse at 145, 6 shots off the lead - well played Mr. Duval. Mickelson finished at 143, 4 shots off the lead. The chances are good that an over par score will win the Open this year, last time any player won a major with an over par score occured at the 1999 British Open when Paul Lawrie, Justin Leonard, and Jean Van de Velde finished regulation at +6, Lawrie winning the 4 hole playoff. No amateurs made the cut this year, Alex Coe was the lowest amateur with a score of 150 (+10).

Notables missing the cut: Stephen Ames, Rich Beem, Retief Goosen, Sergio Garcia, Todd Hamilton, Michael Campbell, and I think someone named Eldrick Woods missed too.


User currently offlineHPLASOps From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1276 times:

End of round 3, no one is under par. Kenneth Ferrie, who bares an uncanny resemblance to yours truly, and Mickelson are tied at +2. Geoff Ogilvy is one back, and 4 others are 3 behind, including Colin Montgomerie, who hung tough after a rough start. Jim Furyk is one of the three players 4 back, and certainly anyone within 5 shots of the lead has a reasonable shot at the title. 19 players are within 5 shots of the lead.

User currently offlineAirwave From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1117 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1270 times:

Quoting Airwave (Reply 4):
I hope for the sake of everybody that the course falls somewhere in between over the next few days. Maybe a *slight* tendency toward 1974, though...

Looks like the course is, in fact, playing right in the middle of these two tournaments in terms of the leaderboard. I wonder if that'll keep up tomorrow, with higher winds than today expected.

I thought Ogilvy had a great round today--or at least he was looking good on NBC, lol. Hedblom's ace (only the 40th in US Open history!) and Els' constant up-and-down saves were fantastic to watch as well. Should be a pretty interesting day tomorrow. Can't wait!  biggrin 


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When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.
User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1265 times:

If Phil plays on Sunday like he did on the back 9 today. he'll be tough to beat.

Quoting HPLASOps (Reply 11):
and I think someone named Eldrick Woods missed too.

Not a big shock.. I'm sure his dads death is still too fresh in his mind.

[Edited 2006-06-18 04:54:03]


"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
User currently offlineHPLASOps From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1256 times:

Quoting Airwave (Reply 13):
Looks like the course is, in fact, playing right in the middle of these two tournaments in terms of the leaderboard.

That pin position on 18 had shades of 1974 on it. Reminded me of the volcano hole on the mini golf course.

Quoting Airwave (Reply 13):
thought Ogilvy had a great round today

I didn't get to watch too much since I was on a double shift today, but according to the scorecard, Ogilvy hung tough and had a very respectable round. I like watching him swing - great tempo.

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 14):
If Phil plays on Sunday like he did on the back 9 today.

Given recent history, it's going to be tough to bet against Phil at this point, he's got the clear advantage. I sure hope Kenneth Ferrie puts up a helluva fight and keeps it interesting. I don't care to see Phil shoot even par and watch all the other leaders shoot 80 and giftwrap it to him.

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 14):
I'm sure his dads death is still too fresh in his mind.

To be honest, I don't think he was thinking of his dad too much while he was playing. He took the time off to mourn, felt he was mentally ready to come back, and I'm sure his mind was completely on his game. However, he didn't practice much during the layoff and having a rusty game when you're in playing in a US Open is a lethal combination. He should've played the Memorial to get his physical game in shape.


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