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Dem. Governor Signs Contingent Anti-Abortion Law  
User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1549 times:

Five years ago, the thought that a Democratic Governor would sign a law restricting abortions in the event that the Supreme Court overturns the current federal law permitting it would have struck one as highly improbable. And yet, the Governor of Louisiana has done just such a thing.

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The ban would apply to all abortions, even in cases of rape or incest, except when the mother's life is threatened. It is similar to a South Dakota law that has become a battleground in the abortion debate.

Even in the case of rape of incest! This is, as they say, hard core, it seems to me. What is your reaction to the Governor's actions?

Thank you in advance.

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060617/...u=X3oDMTBhZDJjOXUyBHNlYwNtdm5ld3M-

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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21876 posts, RR: 55
Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1530 times:

Quoting AerospaceFan (Thread starter):
What is your reaction to the Governor's actions?

Disappointment. When you consider that the bill isn't even effective, plus the fact that Louisiana still has a boatload of issues left over from Katrina (of which I doubt abortion is one), why the hell is Blanco wasting her time with this? It really makes no sense at all.

-Mir



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User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13202 posts, RR: 16
Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1523 times:

I would suspect that Gov. Blanco is Roman Catholic as are many citizens and politicans of Louisiana. Yet, this is a state with a still horrible situation of racism and wild 'un-Christian' beheavors as part of it's culture. Many Catholics and Christians feel that they may be denied entry into Heaven unless they make Abortion = murder, in ALL cases including incest, rape, save life of the mother. Many Roman Catholic politicans are under pressure, including excomunication from the church, believe they are putting their soles at risk, from the Pope on down to do all in their power to ban all abortions, ban gay marriage and so on. Besides, banning abortions is cheap theater rather than doing something substantual, like dealing with the post-Katrina problems that no politican really wants to deal with as may include raising taxes, getting people angry and vote them out of office if they do things that hurt some some citizens.

User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1496 times:

I personally think that the bill is a good one. I hope that the Supreme Court reverses itself on the Roe decision and if so, let the states determine abortion policy.

User currently offlineAa757first From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3350 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1483 times:

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 2):
Many Catholics and Christians feel that they may be denied entry into Heaven unless they make Abortion = murder, in ALL cases including incest, rape, save life of the mother.

Offical doctorine of the Catholic Church is that abortions to save the health of the mother are permissiable. I doubt we're actually talking "many" here.

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 2):
believe they are putting their soles at risk

No, I don't think keeping abortion illegal puts the bottom of your shoes at risk...

AAndrew


User currently offlineDuke From Canada, joined Sep 1999, 1155 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1481 times:

I am pro-life, and so I support this law.

User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 25
Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1478 times:

Oh that's just brilliant. Even in cases of rape and incest? So if a sixteen year old gets raped by her father and gets pregnant, what the hell is she supposed to do?


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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17827 posts, RR: 46
Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1477 times:

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 6):
So if a sixteen year old gets raped by her father and gets pregnant, what the hell is she supposed to do?

Choose a paint scheme for the baby's room  Silly



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User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 25
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1471 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 7):
Choose a paint scheme for the baby's room

And now for a serious reply...



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26815 posts, RR: 75
Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1465 times:

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 8):
And now for a serious reply...

Here it is. Blanco is trying to appeal to the conservative, yes conservative, groups in Northern Louisiana that got her elected the first time because her opponent, eventhough he was a conservative Republican, was a person of color (Bobby Jindal, an Indian-American).



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User currently offlineDuke From Canada, joined Sep 1999, 1155 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1463 times:

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 6):
Oh that's just brilliant. Even in cases of rape and incest? So if a sixteen year old gets raped by her father and gets pregnant, what the hell is she supposed to do?

Jail the father, make him do hard labor and send his earnings to her daughter, give her lots of support and optimal health care, and then let her give the baby up for adoption to a couple who will lovingly take care of the child.


User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 25
Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1462 times:

Quoting Duke (Reply 10):
Jail the father, make him do hard labor and send his earnings to her daughter, give her lots of support and optimal health care, and then let her give the baby up for adoption to a couple who will lovingly take care of the child.

Ok, but who are we to force a minor to give birth? Why should the state have the role of forcing her to have an unwanted baby? Why should government factors force a minor to spend nine months of her life with a pregnancy due to a rape? Wouldn't it be more humane to abort the fetus early?



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26815 posts, RR: 75
Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1459 times:

Quoting Duke (Reply 10):
Jail the father, make him do hard labor and send his earnings to her daughter, give her lots of support and optimal health care, and then let her give the baby up for adoption to a couple who will lovingly take care of the child.

Sure, and let her body go through all the irreversible change that happens with child birth, put her through the mental anguish of carrying the product of her violation for the better part of a year, put her at risk for all the complications that happen during the pregnancy and expect her to be supported by the $0.30 an hour Mr. Hard Labor Rapist POS will be making? I don't think so. Take your percieved morality out of government.



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User currently offlinePSA53 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3095 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1454 times:

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 3):
I personally think that the bill is a good one. I hope that the Supreme Court reverses itself on the Roe decision and if so, let the states determine abortion policy.

Absolutely.

Quoting Duke (Reply 5):
I am pro-life, and so I support this law.

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Hooray for our side!



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User currently offlineEaglekeeper101 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 272 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1448 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 12):
Quoting Duke (Reply 10):
Jail the father, make him do hard labor and send his earnings to her daughter, give her lots of support and optimal health care, and then let her give the baby up for adoption to a couple who will lovingly take care of the child.

Sure, and let her body go through all the irreversible change that happens with child birth, put her through the mental anguish of carrying the product of her violation for the better part of a year, put her at risk for all the complications that happen during the pregnancy and expect her to be supported by the $0.30 an hour Mr. Hard Labor Rapist POS will be making? I don't think so. Take your percieved morality out of government.

 checkmark  Agree with your point 100%!



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User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 25
Reply 15, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1443 times:

Quoting PSA53 (Reply 13):
Hooray for our side!

Hooray for your side? Is that what this is about, just a cheering match? Whoever can be the loudest?

How about you try and address the points I brought up? Don't you think this law is harsh when it comes to cases of rape or incest, perhaps in cases of minors? NO exception?

Are you so in support of one life that you're willing to let the law be part of ruining another?



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26815 posts, RR: 75
Reply 16, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1441 times:

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 15):
Quoting PSA53 (Reply 13):
Hooray for our side!

Hooray for your side? Is that what this is about, just a cheering match? Whoever can be the loudest?

Of course it is, haven't you been watching Fox lately? Besides, this isn't a victory for "their side" it is an affront to the Constitution of the United States in that it directly defies the mandate of the Supreme Court. As far as I am concerned, all state lawmakers who vote for or sign this kind of law, Democrat or Republican, should be removed from office for violating their oath to uphold that very doccument.

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 15):
Are you so in support of one life that you're willing to let the law be part of ruining another?

Not only that, but the "life" he is supporting is less alive than the cockroach he sprayed with Raid last week



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User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 17, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1437 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 9):
Here it is. Blanco is trying to appeal to the conservative, yes conservative, groups in Northern Louisiana that got her elected the first time because her opponent, eventhough he was a conservative Republican, was a person of color (Bobby Jindal, an Indian-American).

There it is. Jindal was the most qualified candidate and he should have won the election except for the most conservative base. Stupid nose cutting to spite faces.



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User currently offlinePSA53 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3095 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1436 times:

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 15):
How about you try and address the points I brought up? Don't you think this law is harsh when it comes to cases of rape or incest, perhaps in cases of minors? NO exception?

No.I do not.All life should be protected.All criminal charges brought upon and
perhaps better sensitivity financial assistance's to the victim. See part 2.*

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 15):
Are you so in support of one life that you're willing to let the law be part of ruining another?

So,are you giving me a choice of whose life to ruin?The one that has the choice or the one that can't make that choice.It's not ruining anyone's
life when options are available, such as adoption.*



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User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 25
Reply 19, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1422 times:

Quoting PSA53 (Reply 18):
So,are you giving me a choice of whose life to ruin?

Well you're making the assumption that a fetus is a life with equal rights as you and me. I am not basing my argument on that assumption.

I say that if a teenager gets raped and gets pregnant that under this law she would recieve further suffering. Are you going to tell me its a walk in the park to have a fetus growing inside you for nine months? Or the same thing but you are only a sixteen year old female girl?

Now, lets say even if I do use what you think. IF you do have to choose between aborting the baby and not, or as you put it, ruining one life or the other, wouldn't you choose aborting the fetus? Why should a sixteen year old suffer for the full length of a pregnancy just to end up giving up the baby for adoption? If a rape or incest victim has already suffered because of the criminal actions of another, why should state sponsored law add more suffering onto her life when there are actions that can ease it?



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User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1415 times:

Blanco is desperately trying to politically survive in a post-Katrina world. Yes, the Feds, the White House and FEMA were morons in how they handled Katrina, but so was she. She's essentially a lame duck right now, trying to find a new constituency given that much of New Orleans that votes Dem is either wiped out or anywhere else but New Orleans.

The woman is a buffoon.


User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 25
Reply 21, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1408 times:

Jaysit,

And she is a coward because of it. Rather than vote for appropriate law, she is only looking out for herself. I wouldn't want her representing my state.



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User currently offlinePSA53 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3095 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1406 times:

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 19):
Well you're making the assumption that a fetus is a life with equal rights as you and me. I am not basing my argument on that assumption.

But I am making that the argument/discussion point in protection, in which
many have tossed that point out.Where does life begin has always been a sticking point on this issue.

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 19):
I say that if a teenager gets raped and gets pregnant that under this law she would receiver further suffering.

I agree. It would be horrible for the teenager and parent alike.No doubt about it.But I believe adoption and a compensation program is a better solution in
the long term.Regardless of the direction taken,the wounds open and pain will never go away from this crime.

[Edited 2006-06-19 23:42:33]


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User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 859 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1397 times:

If Bush wants the bible to rule in US, then all 50 states will get the anti-abortion law, no gay marriges, no liberals to live *joke*

I feel sorry for you who belive in woman right and to keep abortion legal.

Micke//SWE Sad



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User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 25
Reply 24, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1389 times:

PSA,

So let me get this straight. Even after admitting that the law, which doesn't have an exception for rape and incest, is harmful to those that I've described in the hypothetical situation, you would still support it? Is a fetus worth more than the life of a teennage mother? More than the victim of rape or incest?

Why should a rape or incest victim have to go through with a pregnancy because you believe adoption is a good solution? Why shouldn't we give victims of such crimes the decency to make the decision on their own?

And you speak of a compensation program, compensation from who? The person who raped and traumatized her? How will he compensate her after she's given up the child for adoption? How will he support her child because he's in jail not making an honest living?



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25 Tom in NO : One of her smarter moves, if you ask me.....considering we approved a similar ban in a statewide vote not too long ago. Tom at MSY
26 Tbar220 : Do you support this law even if it doesn't have an exception for victims of rape and incest?
27 N1120A : A base he shares a whole lot of values with.
28 PSA53 : This is my stance.Unless the physical health of the victim is in danger,abortion is not to be considered. Well,again that's were we differ.I feel "de
29 Tom in NO : (on my BlackBerry, so can't highlight reply 26) Tbar, I would prefer the exeptions...but when the alternative is no law whatsoever, then yes, I will s
30 Greasespot : What about mental health? If the girl tries to commit suicide because someone forces her to carry her fathers baby..Does that count? It is amazing ho
31 Jaysit : How brave of you. Victims of rape must be having orgasms thinking of your manliness and courage and adherence to principle. Of course we all know tha
32 Tom in NO : Jaysit, I'll let the charachter attack go.....you don't know me well enough to go there. Suffice to say that when a state that has historically voted
33 Tbar220 : Wait a minute, who said there is no alternative? Are you telling me that you wouldn't fight for exceptions in the law? Are you telling me that the ma
34 MetalInyoni : personally I think we need to be consistent in the value we place on a human life. If a child is to be aborted because a grown man raped a child/teena
35 Duke : Tbar220 and N1120A, sometimes life is not fair. If you look at many of my posts, you will see that I support freedom of choice in life as a general ru
36 Tbar220 : Again, you're making the assumption that the fetus is a living child. What about first trimester abortions? What about taking emergency contraceptive
37 Greasespot : You guys just do not get it......It is THE woman who is going to be destroyed..Yeah life is not fair so whle the fetus may have done nothig wrong nei
38 Duke : -I would feel the same. -This is not contingent on being a man or a woman. It's contingent on being a human and having respect for human life. Not on
39 Tbar220 : Duke, I respect your decision, and whether or not you were a woman indeed doesn't automatically dictate your decision. However, I respect your decisio
40 Jaysit : I don't know you at all. All I have to judge you by is your comment on how in your zeal in having an anti-abortion bill pass, you're willing to ignor
41 Greasespot : Right and it should be her decision and NOT yours or anyone else...... No suprise i am pro-choice....You do not see me trying to force abortions on a
42 Duke : Tbar220 and Greasespot, you are insisting that it's the mother's "choice". The problem is that there is a third party, and innocent child. And because
43 AerospaceFan : I agree, Duke. In discussions at law in pro-choice cases, there are too few mentions of the rights of the fetus, and this is a source of great disappo
44 N1120A : The whole point is, it isn't a person.
45 PSA53 : And trimester laws, or if you will,where does life begin, according to US law.In your other thread,LTU932 remarked it was 12 weeks in German law. Wha
46 N1120A : The guidelines set forth by Roe are the same as those in German law. First trimester is the first 12 weeks/3 months and abortion is totally open. Sec
47 PSA53 : Thanks for your input for the trimester info.Very helpful. The mental scars left from this hideous crime are huge on the victim. And I don't know the
48 A332 : And yet again another abortion debate gets clogged up with MEN who are pro-life and feel it is necessary for them to dictate what women can and cannot
49 Greasespot : Because is it easy to be anti-abortion when you do not have to carry the baby. To me this is one of the few times when I believe men have no say and
50 SATX : Why is anyone surprised that rape and incest aren't exceptions? Don't you people get it? This isn't about compromise to the 'pro-zygote' side, this is
51 Maury : Ah yes. For 10 years I spent most Saturday mornings defending and escorting at a clinic in San Jose, hearing the charming things that Good Christian
52 Halls120 : Based on your ill-informed logic, every justice on the Ninth Circuit who votes in favor of rulings that are contrary to the Supreme Court's "mandate"
53 AR385 : Really, instead of coming up with solid and logical arguments, you back yourself into a fallacious indefensible position by saying essentially that b
54 Post contains images Greasespot : Watching a pregnancy and being there s a lot different than being pregnant...That is why the pro-life proponents in here have no problem forcing a ra
55 N1120A : I am very well aware of how things work. What I am saying is that even spending a penny on a law that is never going to go into effect is a gross mis
56 VinnieWinnie : Let's not forget that A democrat is not necessarily Pro-Choice and a Republican Pro-life! A Southern Democrat is more conservative, and represents a m
57 Halls120 : Really? It's not all that evident from your posts. How is the law "never going to go effect?" Are you sure that once the governor signs it, that it w
58 N1120A : It won't go into effect because the established precedent is that abortion is a right that women have. At this point, if the Supreme Court has any re
59 Post contains images Halls120 : Wow. I guess every state legislature ought to just pack up and go home. Ever heard about Assisted Suicide? How Oregon decided to pass a law allowing
60 N1120A : Hey, it keeps me entertained when bored Every time I read a post of yours, I realize why people have such a low opinion of lawyers
61 SFOMEX : If you consider the millions of human beings murdered every year in abortion clinics, doing something to stop this madness makes a lot of sense. Very
62 Halls120 : Good comeback! Now, maybe you'll have time address the substantive question I asked you've avoided answering. Ever heard about Assisted Suicide? How
63 Pope : Your very post defeats itself. Casey itself was a substantial modification to Roe. As for stare decisis well that's the argument that the original wi
64 Halls120 : Interesting post. Don't hold your breath awaiting a response from our resident legal expert, N1120A. In my experience, when faced with a substantive
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